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Oh GOD this is happy news! I was searching "Daniel Joseph Min" as
I usually do on my favorite search engines (AltaVista, Yahoo etc.)
to check on my websites' rankings--and lo and behold, I find THIS:
On 14 Nov 2004, (Daniel Joseph Min) wrote:
Hitler was a leader who emulated divine love and we ought to go dig up
his corpse and clone him. He fought for the preservation of human
purity. We need to put dozens of Hitlers in charge of every nation on
the face of the earth so he can move forward and sweep the mud-tainted
scum off the face of this planet.
Everywhere you turn you've got primates, pansies, and other perverted
riff-raff screaming for their rights. Why the hell would we cast
pearls before swine, all they want to do is fornicate and sell each
other crack. Not on my watch, the hell with all of them.
--
We are Many
Mark 5:9
I've had a GREAT Thanksgiving thus far, the best yet in my 47 years.
Even Friday is still Thanksgiving for my larger family get-together,
which is more religious than our smaller, more casual Thursday feasts.
I'm tickled PINK that my now-defeated enemies continue to resort to
posting amateurishly-lame forgeries to the usenet newsgroups. By now,
they KNOW that I've known for years what they've been up to, even back
to their "happy clown" days, whereupon I'd first spotted their weakness
and proceeded to tear them apart limb by limb. Bush 2000, and Bush 2004.
Schwarzenegger 2008. ACLU dead. Roe v. Wade dead. Liberal judges dead.
Ten Commandments ALIVE and well. Homosexual marriage dead. Every liberal
socio-political and religious issue DEAD and BURIED! I call that VICTORY,
and to the victor goes the spoils. I'm GLOATING over the liberals' DEATH.
Separation of Church and State, that's fine. But GOD & State are MARRIED.
You see, for whatever His reason, God the Creator decided to imbue this
incarnation of mine with a profoundly-keen sense of pattern recognition.
Why? I really don't know. It just is. Maybe it's true that God wanted
to make sure that the Anti-Christ liberals would be utterly DESTROYED
over the course of these the greatest & most terrible times the world
has ever known--even as Jesus Christ warned would occur in Matthew 24.
I cannot say. I don't know God's will, save for that testified to by
Jesus Christ through the holy scriptures. I'm not exactly a godly man
myself, nor have I ever been. And yet the Gods hold purpose for us all.
Mine appears to have been to help *DESTROY* the liberals, and to write
those several books and articles I've written. Only our future history
can be the judge of such matters. I do know that liberalism is *TOAST*,
and liberals are sobering up to this FACT in the wake of November 2nd.
For now, I'm satisfied knowing that the liberals are a dying breed of
rabidly-insane inhuman animals destined for the fiery pit of barratry.
For whatever infinitesimal part I've had in expediting their departure
from the Earth, I pray that my heavenly father will forgive me for not
doing vastly MORE than I have done to make it so. But by the looks of
it, together with MILLIONS of other law-abiding God-fearing patriotic
American voters, we have collectively turned the corner against these
terrorist-supporting left-wing liberal Democrats. Thank GOD for that!
With our President's rock-solid MANDATE, we're going in for the KILL.
Thus I thank you liberals for helping us to DESTROY you--even by your
laughably-obvious forgeries with my name in the message. Don't you see?
That HELPS to boost my rankings on the Google-archives as well as for
my websites to which I've uploaded my PDF-formatted freeware books on
the subject. Truly, I do humbly Thank you from the bottom of my heart.
Enjoy!
Daniel Joseph Min
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On Tue, 07 Dec 2004 14:04:38 GMT, Jean Guernon
<jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote:
All this is the SOLE fault of the Muslim aggressors
By Dr. Hanan Ashrawi
"Israeli tanks and armored vehicles are surrounding Palestinian
villages,
camps and cities (and not the other way around).
Israeli (American made) Apache gun ships are firing Lau and other
missiles
at Palestinian protestors and homes (and not the other way around).
It is Israel that is confiscating Palestinian land and importing
Jewish
settlers to set up illegal armed settlements in the heart of
Palestinian
territory (and not the other way around).
The settlers on the rampage in the West Bank are Israelis terrorizing
Palestinians in their own homes (and not the other way around).
The homes that are being demolished at the hands of the Israelis are
Palestinian homes (and not the other way around).
The armed soldiers and Special Forces at checkpoints throughout
Palestine
are Israeli (and not the other way around).
The more than a hundred murdered civilians and thousands of injured
are all
Palestinians being shot by Israeli occupation troops (and not the
other way
around).
It is Israel that has closed down the Palestinian airport at Gaza
thereby
preventing badly needed medical supplies from reaching the
Palestinians
(and
not the other way around).
The crossing points to and from Palestine as well as entrances and
exits to
and from all Palestinian inhabited areas are manned and controlled by
Israeli soldiers who have completely prevented all freedom of movement
(and
not the other way around)."
who hides under the
skirts of civilians to make their crimes contrary to the Geneva
convention. There is no alternative even (especially) under this
convention but destroy these pieces of ***** and wall them out. No one
has ever proposed any, but they (especially Europeans and third world
losers) whine a lot, and should all be slapped silly to their senses,
instead they often make up some of these stories, Europeans especially,
but Jews are decent people unlike the Arabs and Europeans and others who
support those Muslim killers losers... The French for instance:
White Sex Slaves
American Dissident Voices Broadcast of October 26, 2002
Welcome to American Dissident Voices. I'm Kevin Alfred Strom.
Today I'm going to talk to you about slavery. About slavery of White
women and girls enslaved by Jews. About sexual slavery and all that
that
implies. So this is not a program for children or the overly
sensitive.
You have been warned.
Last week I told you about the horrible rape/torture/murders of Whites
by Blacks in Wichita, Kansas , the Wichita Massacre , which is being
given the silent treatment by the Jewish media. It was mentioned in
the
Moonie-owned Washington Times, and given some inner page paragraphs
here
and there, but it is not a national cause celebre like the racial
epithet uttered in private by a Texaco executive a few years back. And
no major media voice is calling for "hate crime" charges to be filed
in
the Wichita Massacre case. A few months ago a young White man faced
felony "hate crime" charges for merely posting a small sticker
truthfully warning others about the higher HIV infection rates of
Blacks
compared with Whites. But the brutal sex-torture slayings of a whole
houseful of young Whites by Blacks is not a story anywhere near as
important as someone using the n-word. It doesn't call for "hate
crime"
charges, either, but the posting of a sticker carrying CDC AIDS
statistics does. I'd say we were living in an insane world, and I'd be
close to being right. But it's more accurate to say that we are living
in a world in which the Whites have been driven insane by media lies,
media distortions, media omissions, and a false Jewish "morality" that
pervades them all.
The fact that the Jews manufacture "outrage" through media coverage is
well known. The fact that they do everything in their power to
minimize
outrage when the issue is non-White offenses against White should make
you question their motivations. And once you understand their
motivations, you will, like me, start to question their right to own
and
control our media of information and entertainment. You will
understand
that they are a separate people, with separate interests and
oftentimes
opposing interests to ours, and it is extremely dangerous to let this
separate, foreign people have a near-monopoly on the information
transmitted to our people.
Today, I am going to tell you about another crime against White people
which has received very little attention in the mainstream press.
Although a few reporters have mentioned it, it is, like the Wichita
Massacre , not a subject of nightly or weekly reports; it has never
been the subject of a major film or documentary; and the sitcoms and
jiggle shows are never interrupted to report on it. It's not a major
issue as defined by the Michael Eisners and Sumner Redstones of this
world.
And this crime is committed directly against White people by Jews
themselves. It is the crime of slavery, specifically the sex slavery
of
White women captured by Jewish gangs and forced to "serve" in brothels
in Israel and elsewhere. The few articles that do get written about
this
sex slavery almost never refer to Jews as the perpetrators. Instead,
the
Politically Correct euphemisms 'Russian gangs' , 'Russian organized
crime' , and 'Russian mafia' are used. There are hardly any real
Russians involved in these White slavery rings or in so-called
'Russian'
organized crime at all , as the journalists who write these articles
well know. The journalists also well know that if they emphasized the
Jewish nature of these traffickers in White Women that they would
quickly find themselves without employment.
The enticement into sex slavery begins with poverty. Russia and her
former Communist satellites in Eastern Europe were bled dry
economically
by the Jew-created Communist system for many decades. When that system
collapsed, opportunistic capitalists and former
Communists-suddenly-turned-reformers, many of them Jews, moved in for
the easy pickings and bought privatized industries, took advantage of
naïve Whites unaccustomed to predatory business practices, and looted
large sections of Eastern Europe yet again, leaving the people
impoverished, dirt poor, and precariously close to starving, despite
the
fact the Eastern Europeans are among the most highly cultured and
educated White peoples on Earth. To anyone who uses the Internet, it's
notorious that Russians and Ukrainians and Moldovans want to escape
their poverty and leave for the West, young women by the thousands are
advertising themselves for marriage to Western men on dozens of
matchmaker sites. Many breadwinners in those countries earn less than
the equivalent of $30 a month.
So when the well-groomed woman in line at the snowbound railway
station
or the two-line classified ad in the local paper promises thirty or
sixty times that for easy "housework" or "waitress" jobs overseas,
it's
no wonder that these desperately poor women say "yes" by the
thousands.
A large number end up in Israel, where the sex slavery of White women
is
especially common, and seldom even noticed by the authorities who give
it their tacit approval, but the Jewish gangs have worldwide networks
and enslaved White women are sold to Jewish-controlled brothels in
Europe, Turkey, and as far afield as Asia.
Let's listen to the stories of some of these women.
Lara Matveyava had no idea that the kindly stranger who offered her a
way out of poverty was a recruiter for a Jewish White Slave ring. In
her
case, she was promised a job doing easy housework in Germany, watering
the plants and feeding family pets. When she arrived in Hamburg, the
gang followed their usual first step for soon-to-slaves with
passports,
they took the passport from her "for safekeeping," thus making her
technically an illegal alien and outside the normal protection of the
law.
After three days she was told what her real job was: she was to work
as
a prostitute at a Hamburg brothel. Even though she determined at once
to
return home, she was imprisoned for six months at various brothels
masquerading as bars and nightclubs until she finally escaped. Back
home, she says that most of the other sex slaves she met there were so
afraid of their captors that they had given up trying to escape. Even
today, Lara does not use her real name for fear of retaliation from
the
Jewish gangs who "own" her.
She says: "'I'm not scared of anything any more because the worst
thing
that could possibly happen to me already has. Very few of the women I
met had willingly become prostitutes. Most were tricked. Most alarming
was the sense that there was no way out. ?Our passports had been
taken;
?we didn't know what punishment would face us if we went to the
police.
We were illegal immigrants involved in an illegal activity , we didn't
expect any sympathy. To begin with I refused to do the work, but later
I
had to, there was no other way of feeding myself, and by that time I
had seen the beatings other women got when they refused to
co-operate."
The women are told that they have to "work off their debts" before
they
can go free, impossibly high figures that are arbitrarily increased by
their captors as "fines" if they refuse to submit to any sexual
degradation demanded, including gang rape. When one Jewish pimp
decides he needs "fresh goods," the women are sold to others, often
again and again in a single year, with the "debts" they owe the pimps
going up with each transaction. Human rights groups estimate that
500,000 White women have been captured and abused by these Jewish
gangs,
and that number is from Russia alone!
[London Observer Sunday November 12, 2000]
Twenty-one-year-old Irina thought she was going to be a dancer when
she
got off the boat from Ukraine to Haifa, Israel. Within a few days, she
was driven to a whorehouse where her new Jewish boss burned her
passport
before her eyes. "I own you," he said. "You are my property, and you
will work until you earn your way out. Don't try to leave. You have no
papers and you don't speak Hebrew. You will be arrested and deported.
Then we will get you and bring you back." At first, she refused to be
a
prostitute, but the beatings and repeated rapes by her owners
eventually
broke her spirit.
Irina says "I don't think the man who ruined my life will ever be
fined." Until recently, White slavery wasn't even against the law in
Israel. And it was only under intense international pressure that
Israel
finally passed laws restricting it last year, but prosecutions are
very rare and sentences light. The enslavement of White women is
essentially winked at by the authorities there, who, after all, are
steeped in a tradition that only Jews are truly human beings, and
these
White sex slaves aren't Jews. And pimps prostituting White women to
all
comers, as long as the owners claim the women were not actually
purchased by them, is still legal there.
Marco Buffo, the head of an anti-slavery group in Italy stated "It's
no
secret that the highest prices now go for the white women. They are
the
novelty item now."
Mikhail Lebed, chief of criminal investigations of the Ukrainian
Interior Ministry states "Gangsters make more from these women in a
week
than we have in our law-enforcement budget for the whole year. To be
honest, unless we get some help we are not going to stop it." And the
Jewish media are helping to bring these criminals to justice, and get
the Russians and Ukrainians the help and publicity they need, right?
Recently Yitzhak Tyler of the Haifa police spilled the beans on some
of
the operations in that Israeli port city:
"These men pay $500 to $1,000 for a Ukrainian or Russian woman. Do you
understand what I am telling you? They will buy these women and make a
fortune out of them. Take a small place, with 10 girls. Each has 15 to
20 clients a day. Multiply that by say 200 shekels. So say 30,000
shekels a day comes in to each place. Each girl works 25 days a month.
Minimum. So we are talking about 750,000 shekels a month, or about
$215,000. A man often owns five of these places. That's a million
dollars. No taxes, no real overhead. It's a factory with slave labor.
And we've got them all over Israel."
A million dollars a month for an average Jew pimp in Israel. What do
the
women get? Beatings, rapes, forced performance of sex on demand, and a
little food and cigarette money. Bars on the windows. Marching naked
in
Jewish slave markets when they're sold again for maybe the fourth time
this year. Gang violence and retaliation on their families if they
escape. Punishment and deportation at best from a complicit legal
system.
The Jewish pimps are so confident of their invulnerability that one of
them, Jacob Golan, owner of three houses of prostitution including Tel
Aviv's "Tropicana," even spoke to the New York Times, stating
"'Israelis
love Russian girls. They are blonde and good-looking and different
from
us,' he said, chuckling as he drew his hand over his black hair 'And
they are desperate. They are ready to do anything for money.' Always
filled with half-naked Russian women, the club is open around the
clock.
?There are 12 cubicles at the Tropicana where 20 women work in shifts,
eight during the daytime, 12 at night. Business is always booming, and
not just with foreign workers. Israeli soldiers, with rifles on their
shoulders, frequent the place, as do business executives and tourists.
Mr. Golan was asked if most women who work at the club do so
voluntarily. He laughed heartily."
In a supreme piece of bitter irony, the reporter noted that Golan has
posted a "missing" poster for an Israeli woman near the front counter
of
his sex club. His concern is so touching, isn't it?
[The New York Times Sunday, January 11, 1998]
The United Nations now admits that the selling of sex slaves is now
organized crime's fastest-growing business. And most of these slaves
are
White women. The Sydney Morning Herald states that White women are
"the
most lucrative commodity of all", surpassing even the international
drug trade in importance. After all, drugs can be sold only once and
then they are used up. White women can be used and then brought to the
slave markets again and again for years until they are dead or no
longer
attractive.
Mariana's story is typical. Lured by promises of easy work and good
money, she left Russia for Israel:
"The brothel routine was brutal and efficient. She worked seven days a
week, servicing up to 20 customers a day, both Jewish and Arab?
"A man stood guard near the door of her room, furnished sparely with a
bed, a dresser, a shower and a sink. She was isolated from the outside
world, except for a woman who stopped each day to sell food to her and
the other Russian girls. Telephone calls home to assure her parents
that
"work" was fine were monitored.
"After about five months, Mariana was allowed to leave the one-storey
grey building with a driver to meet clients at a Tel Aviv hotel. Three
days later, a group of men drugged her in a cabana behind the hotel.
"'Do what we say. Don't kick and don't scream. There's no point in
fighting,' she remembers them saying before they gang-raped her.
Desperate, she tried to escape the brothel but was caught."
The Russian government admits that 100,000 women were smuggled out of
the country by these Jewish gangs in one year alone, making the human
rights groups' estimate of 500,000 enslaved Russian women look very
conservative. And that, I emphasize, is only Russia.
Doros Michael of the Immigrant Support Action Group in Cyprus,
explains
that White women are the most sought-after sex slaves:
"Russian women are thought to be more educated, more beautiful and
more
white than Asian women."
[The Sydney Morning Herald, March 8, 2001]
Amnesty International has issued reports harshly criticizing Israel's
toleration of the sex slave "industry." I wonder whether you have
heard
about that on Fox News or CBS or CNN? Amnesty International stated:
"The government of Israel failed to take appropriate steps to prevent,
investigate, try and punish those responsible for the violations of
human rights committed against traded women." They also cited the case
of 27-year-old Valentina, who said: "The conditions were horrible.
Most
of the girls suffered from venereal diseases. There was nowhere to
run,
there were bars on the windows and guards all the time, day and
night."
Valentina eventually was able to leap from a second-story window,
evade
the Israeli police, and escape to tell her tale. But thousands of
other
White women and girls are still there.
One young Russian woman, Larissa, says that she managed to escape from
her pimp only to be arrested by the Israeli police, who then sold her
to
another pimp who admitted he was a former Israeli police officer.
These
White slaves are without hope and without friends: the few Jews who
oppose this slave trade are outside the power structure in Israel and
White people in the West are grazing contentedly in the pasture of
consumerism, uninformed about White slavery because the Jewish-owned
media don't tell them about it.
At a recent human rights conference sponsored by the World Coalition
Against Trafficking in Women, it was estimated that there are more
than
200 sex slave brothels in Tel Aviv alone. It was also stated:
"When they arrive in Israel they go through an 'educational seminar'
that includes rape and sale by auction, after which their passports
are
taken from them and they are imprisoned in sealed apartments. They are
forced to work in prostitution in order to repay the 'debt' incurred
in
bringing them to Israel."
A few former sex slaves had the courage to speak out:
"I am Ilona. I was sold for $15,000, and a few months later I was sold
once more. They forced me to accept 150 clients a week. Lots of people
knew about me and the other girls. There were taxi drivers and people
from the grocery store who brought alcohol, and also the doctors who
gave us pills against pregnancy, take them all month long, so that we
wouldn't lose any work because of the blood. And the doctors checked
us
after we were beaten and gave us painkillers. But the worst thing
happened with the policemen who knew about me. One time I managed to
run
away and went to the police. They referred me to a policeman who knew
Russian, and I spoke with him and he listened very intently. An hour
after he listened so intently my boss, the pimp, arrived at the
station
and took me home and there he gave me the worst beating, so that all
the
girls would see what happens if you run away. After that, I couldn't
work for a few days."
"I am Yanna. At the airport I was picked up by Ilyosha. I had six or
seven clients a day on Ben-Yehuda, and I made him NIS 600-700 a day. I
got food, cigarettes and NIS 20 a day. After two weeks, he sold me to
Peter and Gershon, and I worked for a month at their massage parlor,
10 or 15 clients a day, NIS 150 for half an hour, and for me, NIS 20
a
day, food and cigarettes. After two months, Peter sent me to another
bar. Whenever I wasn't working I was locked in an apartment, and they
brought me whatever I needed. Peter said that I could go after I had
made $40,000 for him. I had between 7 and 10 clients a day at the bar,
and there I had to earn NIS 700. If I had a slow day, I had to work
harder the next day. They also beat me at the massage parlor, the
employees and the manager."
A charity group that tries to help Russian children and women, and
prevent them from being ensnared by these Jewish White slave rings,
Miramed, estimates that 90 per cent. of the women who leave Russia in
the clutches of these Jews are not aware that they are headed for
prostitution. And I add that none are aware that they will be enslaved
behind bars, forced to satisfy the lusts of their Jewish owners on
demand, and be sold as slaves again and again in Jewish slave markets.
The Jewish media have obsessed for decades about Black slavery in
North
America, a slavery that was abolished by White people and which hasn't
existed for over 130 years. But how often have you heard of the
enslavement of Whites which is going on right now?
I want all of you who hear my voice today to swear in the holy
sanctuary
of your soul that you will never forget what the Jews have done and
are
doing to more than 500,000 of our women and girls. And I want you to
promise me that you will never forget the Jewish media bosses who cry
crocodile tears for months when a Black criminal meets a policeman's
nightstick but who turn a blind eye to the sex slavery of enough White
women to fill Rockford, Illinois three times over. When I say never
forget I mean never trust them again.
Until next week, this is Kevin Alfred Strom reminding you that that
freedom is not free.
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The first thing that comes up when you google Mohammed al-Durra's name
is a poem written by Sheikh Mohammed of the United Arab Emirates called
"To the soul of the child martyr." It gives an idea of the mythical
proportions that the young boy has assumed in the Middle East. The
images of Mohammed al-Durra hiding from Israeli fire behind his father's
back in the early days of the second intifada, only to be struck down by
enemy bullets, shocked the whole world. For many Arabs and Muslims, the
boy became the symbol of Palestinian suffering under Israeli occupation.
On the Palestinian Authority's TV channel, as well as in Palestinian
school books, his example is used to encourage other children to emulate
his spirit of sacrifice. Even in the West, the pictures that won so many
journalism prizes have become the most recognizable symbol of Israeli
aggression. When Ehud Barak, then Israel's prime minister, visited Paris
in the same year, French President Jacques Chirac wryly scolded him.
"Killing children is no policy."
* * *
And yet, it was nothing but a hoax. For those readers who recognize the
famous image reproduced here, it might be difficult to believe that the
scene was actually staged. I will elaborate later how it has been proven
that Israeli soldiers could not have killed the boy. Some might ask why
it still matters. Haven't too many innocent people on both sides died
since then, and is it not time to look ahead now?
Well, it matters for exactly those same reasons. Mohammed al-Durra
became more than just the poster boy of the intifada. According to the
Mitchell report, drafted in May 2001 by a joint U.S.-European committee,
this story was one of the events that sparked the intifada. For peace we
need reconciliation and for reconciliation we need the truth. But French
state-owned TV channel France 2, which produced and distributed the
damning footage, refuses to release the facts.
The story began on Sept. 30, 2000, two months after Yasser Arafat walked
out of the Camp David peace talks. The place was Netzarim junction in
Gaza, where Israeli soldiers were posted to protect a nearby settlement.
Palestinian rioters were throwing stones and Molotov cocktails at the
Israelis while gunmen were shooting at them from amidst the crowd. It
was during this fighting that the boy allegedly died.
Claiming they didn't want to make money on an innocent child's death,
France 2 distributed the dramatic coverage free of charge to the global
media. The Israeli army hastily issued a statement saying that the boy
may have accidentally been killed in Israeli cross-fire. Only later,
maybe too late, did the army authorize a full investigation. It
entrusted this mission to civilian physicist Nahum Shahaf, who
scientifically proved that -- given the angle of the Israeli position
vis-à-vis Mohammed al-Durra -- the soldiers could not have possibly
killed the boy. Mr. Shahaf then uncovered an incredible plot: He
demonstrated that since the shots must have come from directly behind or
next to the cameraman, the whole scene of the supposed infanticide must
have been staged -- and that the boy seen in the film was not killed at
all. Going through the film in slow motion, he could even see the
cameraman's finger making a "take two" sign, used by professionals to
signal the repeat of a scene.
Three years ago I interviewed Mr. Shahaf, and after viewing all his
evidence I realized that this might be one of the greatest media
manipulations the world has ever seen. We started our own investigations
and wrote over 150 articles on the issue, concluding that the French
report is, beyond any reasonable doubt, pure fiction.
We can't cite all the evidence that we were able to uncover on top of
Mr. Shahaf's findings. But to give just one example: We have the
testimonies of Dr. Joumaa Saka and Dr. Muhamad El-Tawil, two Palestinian
doctors of the Gaza Shifa hospital who said Mohammed's lifeless body was
brought to them before 1 p.m. The problem is that Charles Enderlin, the
France 2 correspondent in Jerusalem, claimed in the disputed report that
the shooting started at 3 p.m. How can someone be killed by bullets that
were fired hours after he was already dead? This is only one of the many
questions that the French state TV channel needs to answer.
... "Didn't you know ?" added Didier Epelbaum, an adviser to the
president of France Television (the department presiding over all French
state-operated TV networks) "that Talal has retracted his testimony?"
No, they did not know. How could they since neither the French channel
nor the Palestinian cameraman ever made that public? It is incredible
how France 2 so nonchalantly admitted that their star witness, well,
their only witness to the alleged killing, retracted his accusations.
Without this testimony there is no story, and yet the channel refuses to
make any of this public.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
I don't know about that, but I know better than to believe what
Jews say.
"Ha'aretz reported on April 12, 2002, following the
Jenin atrocities, that "military sources" had told
the paper: "The IDF [Israeli army] intends to bury
today Palestinians killed in the West Bank camp.
The sources said that two infantry companies, along
with members of the military rabbinate, will enter
the camp today to collect the bodies. Those who
can be identified as civilians will be moved to a
hospital in Jenin, and then on to burial, while
those identified as terrorists will be buried at a
special cemetery in the Jordan Valley." Apparently,
no one in Israel was particularly concerned at the
time about issues of international law, war crimes
and mass graves. Israeli TV even showed, the evening
before, refrigerator trucks that were waiting outside
the Jenin camp to transfer bodies to "terrorist
cemeteries". It was only after international
attention began to focus on Jenin that this
information was quickly concealed and reinterpreted
using any absurd reasoning to explain that nothing
of the sort had ever happened. This is how the
respectable analyst Ze'ev Schiff of Ha'aretz later
summarized the event (Ha'aretz, July 17, 2002):
"Toward the end of the fighting, the army sent three
large refrigerator trucks into the city. Reservists
decided to sleep in them for their air conditioning.
Some Palestinians saw dozens of covered bodies lying
in the trucks and rumors spread that the Jews had
filled trucks full of Palestinian bodies."
Israel ... refused to cooperate with the investigation prevented U.N.
investigators from visiting the site. "
Isaac Goldberg
JENIN - THE PROPAGANDA WAR
Tanya Reinhart
In Israel, Jenin is perceived mainly as a public
relations problem (called in Hebrew "hasbara" -
explaining). It appears even that the army and
the government believe that Israel is winning
the propaganda battle. After all, all relevant
principles of this battle have been strictly
adhered to:
The first principle:
No pictures or information in real time! The
IDF (Israeli army) managed to fully prevent
the media from entering Jenin during the events.
Thus, all we were left with were "conflicting
reports" - a stream of horrible accounts coming
from Palestinian witnesses who escaped the
refugee camp - and the IDF's utter denial. In
the meanwhile, the work of destruction could
continue undisturbed for ten days.
On the seventh day of Israel's "operation" in
Jenin (April 9), it was reported in the Israeli
media that the army was nevertheless worried.
"Officers of the IDF expressed their shock"
about what happened in Jenin: "When the world
will see the pictures of what we have done there,
it will cause us enormous damage." (Amos Har'el
and Amira Hass, Ha'aretz, Hebrew edition, April 9,
2002). Israeli Foreign Minister Shimon Peres even
slipped and mentioned the taboo word "massacre"
(which he immediately denied of course).
Israel's counter attack was immediately launched.
"The Foreign Ministry is mobilizing forces to
counter Palestinian allegations that IDF forces
conducted 'a massacre' in the Jenin refugee camp"
(Ha'aretz, April 10, 2002). A special PR center
of the IDF and the Foreign Ministry was formed
in Jerusalem, and its representative, Gideon Meir,
passed to the press the major principles of the
Israeli version: a) "What happened in Jenin was a
fierce battle and not a massacre." ("The main
diplomatic ammunition" in the campaign's "arsenal
is that 22 Israeli soldiers have been killed in
the fighting"). b) "The battle was fierce because
the IDF sought to minimize civilian suffering."
c) The PR campaign should direct attention to the
Israeli casualties in terror attacks. (Anat
Cigelman and Aluf Ben, Ha'aretz, Hebrew edition,
April 10, 2002.)
The second principle of the propaganda battle:
If you have full control over the local media,
you can pass anything. These messages have been
repeated since, again and again, not only by all
politicians and Israeli spokesmen, but also by
almost every reporter, weaved into the news
reports, and by the analysts and columnists,
disguised as spontaneous acts of expressing an
educated opinion. Here is Ha'aretz's editorial
version of the propaganda line: "There is
evidence of intense combat, but, with
appropriate caution, it can already be said what
did not happen in the Jenin refugee camp. There
was no massacre. No order from above was given,
nor was a local initiative executed, to
deliberately and systematically kill unarmed
people" (Ha'aretz, April 19, 2002, editorial
column).
This line is pretty sophisticated. The word
"massacre" may bring to mind soldiers moving
from house to house, shooting everyone they
find -- men, women and children (as in Sabra
and Shatila). Such massacre clearly did not
take place in Jenin. No Palestinian source
ever described the facts this way. Still,
Ha'aretz and everyone else insist on
falsifying just this specific interpretation
of the word. What did clearly happen in Jenin
is that the army simply ignored the fact that
there were an unknown number of individuals
and families in the areas which were bombarded
day and night by missiles from "Cobra"
helicopters, or even in some of the houses
erased by bulldozers to pave way for the tanks.
No one came to shoot them individually; they
were just buried under their bombarded or
bulldozed homes. Others died of their wounds
in the alleys, or cried for days under the
ruins, until their voices faded away.
Bit by bit, testimonies of reserve soldiers
are filtering through the back pages of the
Israeli media: "After the first moments of
the fighting, when a commander was killed ...
the instructions were clear: shoot every window,
sow every house - whether someone shoots from
there or not." To the question whether he saw
civilians get hurt, the reservist answered:
"Personally - not. But the point is that they
were inside the houses. The last days, the
majority of those who came out of the houses
were old people, women and children, who were
there the whole time and absorbed our fire.
These people were not given any chance to leave
the camp, and we are talking about many people"
(Ofer Shelah, Yediot Aharonot's weekend
supplement, April 19, 2002).
For many, such descriptions are sufficient to
make them shiver, and they don't really care
whether the right word for this is "massacre."
For the success of the PR campaign, it is
therefore necessary to stress that we are not
talking here about shelling and killing
civilians, but about a fierce battle, in which
civilians may also get occasionally killed...
MKs Mohammed Barakeh (Hadash) and
MK Ahmed Tibi (Ta'al-Arab Movement for Renewal)
also filed similar petitions ... The petitioners
claim the army's decision violates international
law as the Jordan Valley cemetery will, they
claim, be basically a mass grave, thus damaging
the honor of the dead." (Amos Harel, Gideon Alon
and Jalal Bana, Ha'aretz, April 14, 2002)...
It was reported that following the temporary
Supreme Court decision of Friday, the IDF stopped
"clearing the bodies" from the camp, waiting for
the final decision on Sunday. However, on Sunday,
the media was already allowed to the camp, and
they found a scene of mass destruction, but with
roads clean of bodies: That's how Amos Harel
described it in Ha'aretz: "The visit, which the
army allowed after a critical three-day delay,
did not provide an unequivocal answer to the
question that everyone continues to fight over -
the Israeli leaders and their spokesmen, and the
Palestinians - how many Palestinians died during
the fighting? We talked with soldiers in Jenin,
officers and rank-and-file troopers, and all
vehemently denied the accusations of a massacre
of civilians. The Palestinian residents who
escaped gave reporters a completely different
version. But on the ground, yesterday, only one
Palestinian body was to be found in the open,
in an area where most of the fighting took
place." (Ha'aretz, April 15, 2002)
Harel asks: "So what happened to the rest of the
bodies? The Palestinians say there were 500
killed. IDF Spokesman Brigadier General Ron
Kitri said on Friday there were some 200, but
then corrected himself with a much lower figure."
The formal IDF answer was given that same day:
"Israel Defense Forces officers now estimate
that dozens - not hundreds - of Palestinians
were killed as a result of the army's activities
in the Jenin refugee camp. As of last night,
46 Palestinian corpses have been located in the
camp. Updated estimates concerning the total
number of Palestinian fatalities in the camp now
range between 70 and a little over 100.
Officials believe that some of the corpses are
still buried under the rubble of houses
demolished by IDF bulldozers." (Amos Harel and
Gideon Alon, Ha'aretz, April 15)
Not too many further questions were asked in
Israel regarding how the IDF's initial estimate
of 200 dead in battle turned out so over
exaggerated. Here is how the Ha'aretz editorial
of April 19 (cited above) sums the matter up:
"In Israel, too, suspicions were raised that
there was truth to the Palestinian claims. Many
feared that Jenin would be added to the black
list of massacres that have shocked the world.
The IDF contributed to those fears when it
issued a preliminary estimate of hundreds of
dead in the camp (it turned out that several
score were killed, with the exact number still
unknown)." So, for 'Ha'aretz' it is simple.
The IDF just made a confusing counting mistake.
The IDF may be not so competent in counting,
but there is no doubt it is the most moral
army in the world.
http://www.tau.ac.il/~reinhart/political/21_04_02_JeninThePropagandaWar.html
www.spearhead-uk.com http://www.natvan.com
http://www.altermedia.info http://www.RealNews247.com
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08 Dec 2004 09:52:26 PM |
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Topaz a écrit:
On Tue, 07 Dec 2004 14:04:38 GMT, Jean Guernon
<jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote:
All this is the SOLE fault of the Muslim aggressors
By Dr. Hanan Ashrawi
"Israeli tanks and armored vehicles are surrounding Palestinian
villages,
camps and cities (and not the other way around).
Yes indeed, to get the excrement who don't fight by the rules of war.
This is a SACRED duty for ALL human beings, to do all possible to get
the terrorists who target civilians on purpose bury these excrement
wherever they are. If they don't observe the law of war that says not to
use the civilian dwellings to do their *****, these dwellings must be
destroyed. But too many in the world lick the ***** of your ilk.
J.
[snip pure propaganda *****]
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09 Dec 2004 09:06:04 PM |
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Here is a handy dictionary/rules book for anyone writing on the Middle
East
issues in the mainstream media. To get published as a news journalist,
it seems
you have to follow these rules.
Definitions:
Caught in the Crossfire: When Palestinian civilians are killed.
Retaliation: When Israeli army or settlers kill Palestinians.
Escalation (synonym/can be used interchangeably with Provocation): Any
act of violence or resistance by the Palestinians.
Murdered: When Israeli Civilians are killed
Brutal/cowardly/ghastly: adjectives describing attacks on Israelis see
below for nouns to attach it to).
Self defense: Any act of violence by Israelis.
Terrorism: Any act of violence by the Palestinians.
Terrorist: A person who fights Israeli occupation.
Victims: Any Jewish Israeli.
Attacker: Any Palestinian engaging in any form of resistance (violent
or not).
Also see terrorist.
Targets: Palestinian buildings, homes, offices - What the Israeli
military designates as military targets.
Attack/bombing/murder: Acts the Palestinians commit when directed at
Israelis Measures (e.g. Economic measures, security measures): Any
acts the
Israelis commit (blockades, collective punishment, shelling
neighborhoods, starving a population etc).
Clashes: This is a difficult term to decipher but is generally used
when
Palestinians die .
Security: Anything the Israeli government chooses to do. This can
include land confiscation, extra-judicial killings, home demolitions,
destruction of groves, uprooting trees, blockades etc. The term
security is reserved for use only with the word Israel or Israeli and
must never be applied to Palestinians.
Under siege: Again a term for use by the Israelis as in Palestinians
have put Israelis under siege. Exact meaning depends on the
circumstances as defined by the Israeli government. Never use for
Palestinian towns or villages.
Civilians: Armed settlers are civilians when killed. Try to avoid
using this
term for Palestinians.
Neighborhoods: Areas inhabited by Israeli settlers especially if
targeted by shooting (light guns)
Positions: Any Palestinian towns and villages especially when bombed
by
helicopter gunships or raked with large caliber machine guns
Rules
When to use Passive voice: if the violent action is committed by
Israelis (e.g. 2 Palestinians were killed, one of them a 9 year old).
Names must be included for any Jewish victims. Try to avoid names for
Muslim or Christian victims but use numbers instead (remember in the
passive voice using non-inflammatory language, e.g. 2 Palestinians
died in
clashes).
When an Israeli is killed, it is important to note his or her
profession, where he/she is from and was going, whether or not he/she
is
religious, and whether or not he/she is an immigrant from the U.S. or
Russia. If
the dead person is survived by a spouse and children, this should be
noted. If
the victim is a youngster, the school they ttended should be
mentioned, and
their friends' feelings should be noted. in general, people who knew
the dead
person should testify to their humanity.
When a Palestinian is killed, they should not be personalized in any
way.
When an Israeli is killed, it is useful to include graphic
descriptions of the
death scene - the covered body, the fragments of flesh, the ath of
flowing
blood, etc.
I hope this is helpful.
www.spearhead-uk.com http://www.natvan.com
http://www.altermedia.info http://www.RealNews247.com
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15 Dec 2004 12:49:06 AM |
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Topaz a écrit:
Here is a handy dictionary/rules book for anyone writing on the Middle
East
issues in the mainstream media. To get published as a news journalist,
it seems
you have to follow these rules.
Definitions:
Caught in the Crossfire: When Palestinian civilians are killed.
Retaliation: When Israeli army or settlers kill Palestinians.
Escalation (synonym/can be used interchangeably with Provocation): Any
act of violence or resistance by the Palestinians.
Murdered: When Israeli Civilians are killed
Brutal/cowardly/ghastly: adjectives describing attacks on Israelis see
below for nouns to attach it to).
Self defense: Any act of violence by Israelis.
Terrorism: Any act of violence by the Palestinians.
Terrorist: A person who fights Israeli occupation.
Victims: Any Jewish Israeli.
Attacker: Any Palestinian engaging in any form of resistance (violent
or not).
Also see terrorist.
Targets: Palestinian buildings, homes, offices - What the Israeli
military designates as military targets.
Attack/bombing/murder: Acts the Palestinians commit when directed at
Israelis Measures (e.g. Economic measures, security measures): Any
acts the
Israelis commit (blockades, collective punishment, shelling
neighborhoods, starving a population etc).
Clashes: This is a difficult term to decipher but is generally used
when
Palestinians die .
Security: Anything the Israeli government chooses to do. This can
include land confiscation, extra-judicial killings, home demolitions,
destruction of groves, uprooting trees, blockades etc. The term
security is reserved for use only with the word Israel or Israeli and
must never be applied to Palestinians.
Under siege: Again a term for use by the Israelis as in Palestinians
have put Israelis under siege. Exact meaning depends on the
circumstances as defined by the Israeli government. Never use for
Palestinian towns or villages.
Civilians: Armed settlers are civilians when killed. Try to avoid
using this
term for Palestinians.
Neighborhoods: Areas inhabited by Israeli settlers especially if
targeted by shooting (light guns)
Positions: Any Palestinian towns and villages especially when bombed
by
helicopter gunships or raked with large caliber machine guns
Rules
When to use Passive voice: if the violent action is committed by
Israelis (e.g. 2 Palestinians were killed, one of them a 9 year old).
Names must be included for any Jewish victims. Try to avoid names for
Muslim or Christian victims but use numbers instead (remember in the
passive voice using non-inflammatory language, e.g. 2 Palestinians
died in
clashes).
When an Israeli is killed, it is important to note his or her
profession, where he/she is from and was going, whether or not he/she
is
religious, and whether or not he/she is an immigrant from the U.S. or
Russia. If
the dead person is survived by a spouse and children, this should be
noted. If
the victim is a youngster, the school they ttended should be
mentioned, and
their friends' feelings should be noted. in general, people who knew
the dead
person should testify to their humanity.
When a Palestinian is killed, they should not be personalized in any
way.
When an Israeli is killed, it is useful to include graphic
descriptions of the
death scene - the covered body, the fragments of flesh, the ath of
flowing
blood, etc.
I hope this is helpful.
Yes it is, for once you show the reality that should sink in (given the
total lawlessness that would rule otherwise), I wish you would learn it
and not parrot it as if it was outrageous.
The day you and your ilk will be addressed and put straight, then this
will change, until then, you and your ilk make this the truth.
Thanks.
J.
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05 Dec 2004 07:29:55 AM |
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On Sun, 05 Dec 2004 03:27:52 +0000, Jean Guernon mumbled something like
this:
MonsieurStat a écrit:
"Jean Guernon" <jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote in message
news:i4qsd.6193776$6p.984609@news.easynews.com...
Rincewind a écrit:
On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 13:23:47 +0000, Jean Guernon mumbled something like
this:
Liberating America From Israel
by Paul Findley
Nine-eleven would not have occurred if the U.S. government had
refused to
help Israel humiliate and destroy Palestinian society. Few express
this
More anti-Semitism with lots of anti-Semitic propaganda links.
There is a distinct difference between anti-Israeli and anti-Semitic
propaganda. It is possible to be anti-Israeli without being
anti-Semitic.
No it is not.
It is for people who actually know what these things are ;-)
There are some leninist losers in Israel and other radicals who are
against anything like there are leninists Americans who hate the US, but
no one Jew who respect his culture can be against the existence of Israel,
anti-semites think like that. Now that some losers exist even ion Israel
is not in question, but to be against the existence of Israel is the
characteristic of anti-semites. They hate Jews and don't want them to have
their own country. Logic shows that only anti-semites (like you, stat)
would pretend that there is a difference.
J.
Please also note that there is a distinct difference between being
anti-Israeli and being anti-Israel(hint - one of them has an 'i' at the
end). It is not the existence of Israel that is the issue(even
Palestinians accept the existence of Israel), but the actions of the
Israelis(with the tacit agreement of the US administration) in the West
Bank and Gaza.
Stat.
Even many decent *Jews* object strongly to Israel's actions in Gaza and
the West Bank.
Nah, I wouldn't cvall them decent.
Would you recognise decent? Please learn to read posts properly before
replying to them!
Rinso
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06 Dec 2004 07:18:47 AM |
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Rincewind a écrit:
On Sun, 05 Dec 2004 03:27:52 +0000, Jean Guernon mumbled something like
this:
MonsieurStat a écrit:
"Jean Guernon" <jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote in message
news:i4qsd.6193776$6p.984609@news.easynews.com...
Rincewind a écrit:
On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 13:23:47 +0000, Jean Guernon mumbled something like
this:
Liberating America From Israel
by Paul Findley
Nine-eleven would not have occurred if the U.S. government had
refused to
help Israel humiliate and destroy Palestinian society. Few express
this
More anti-Semitism with lots of anti-Semitic propaganda links.
There is a distinct difference between anti-Israeli and anti-Semitic
propaganda. It is possible to be anti-Israeli without being
anti-Semitic.
No it is not.
It is for people who actually know what these things are ;-)
There are some leninist losers in Israel and other radicals who are
against anything like there are leninists Americans who hate the US, but
no one Jew who respect his culture can be against the existence of Israel,
anti-semites think like that. Now that some losers exist even ion Israel
is not in question, but to be against the existence of Israel is the
characteristic of anti-semites. They hate Jews and don't want them to have
their own country. Logic shows that only anti-semites (like you, stat)
would pretend that there is a difference.
J.
Please also note that there is a distinct difference between being
anti-Israeli and being anti-Israel(hint - one of them has an 'i' at the
end). It is not the existence of Israel that is the issue(even
Palestinians accept the existence of Israel), but the actions of the
Israelis(with the tacit agreement of the US administration) in the West
Bank and Gaza.
Bah, no one likes violence, the barbaric Muslim start it, illegally use
civilian population to hide under their skirts, the Israeli have to deal
with it no matter what.
You should oppose the violence that require security measure, and so the
anti-semite assholes of the world. The wall works for instance, you see
who are the aggressors supporters, whoever they are, who peg the wall
should go down but offer no alternative. They don't, advocate
eliminating the terrorists assholes who are responsible for this state
of things.
What do you expect? That israel will let itself be massacred?
J.
Stat.
Even many decent *Jews* object strongly to Israel's actions in Gaza and
the West Bank.
Nah, I wouldn't cvall them decent.
Would you recognise decent? Please learn to read posts properly before
replying to them!
Rinso
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07 Dec 2004 06:15:46 AM |
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On Mon, 06 Dec 2004 13:18:47 +0000, Jean Guernon mumbled something like
this:
Rincewind a écrit:
On Sun, 05 Dec 2004 03:27:52 +0000, Jean Guernon mumbled something like
this:
MonsieurStat a écrit:
"Jean Guernon" <jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote in message
news:i4qsd.6193776$6p.984609@news.easynews.com...
Rincewind a écrit:
On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 13:23:47 +0000, Jean Guernon mumbled something
like this:
Liberating America From Israel
by Paul Findley
Nine-eleven would not have occurred if the U.S. government had
refused to
help Israel humiliate and destroy Palestinian society. Few express
this
More anti-Semitism with lots of anti-Semitic propaganda links.
There is a distinct difference between anti-Israeli and anti-Semitic
propaganda. It is possible to be anti-Israeli without being
anti-Semitic.
No it is not.
It is for people who actually know what these things are ;-)
There are some leninist losers in Israel and other radicals who are
against anything like there are leninists Americans who hate the US,
but no one Jew who respect his culture can be against the existence of
Israel, anti-semites think like that. Now that some losers exist even
ion Israel is not in question, but to be against the existence of
Israel is the characteristic of anti-semites. They hate Jews and don't
want them to have their own country. Logic shows that only anti-semites
(like you, stat) would pretend that there is a difference.
J.
Please also note that there is a distinct difference between being
anti-Israeli and being anti-Israel(hint - one of them has an 'i' at the
end). It is not the existence of Israel that is the issue(even
Palestinians accept the existence of Israel), but the actions of the
Israelis(with the tacit agreement of the US administration) in the West
Bank and Gaza.
Bah, no one likes violence, the barbaric Muslim start it, illegally use
civilian population to hide under their skirts, the Israeli have to deal
with it no matter what.
You should oppose the violence that require security measure, and so the
anti-semite assholes of the world. The wall works for instance, you see
who are the aggressors supporters, whoever they are, who peg the wall
should go down but offer no alternative. They don't, advocate
eliminating the terrorists assholes who are responsible for this state
of things.
What do you expect? That israel will let itself be massacred?
J.
After you have googled 'Irgun', perhaps you could comment on the following:
Jewish extremist settler jailed
An Israeli court has sentenced a Jewish settler to eight years
imprisonment for membership of an extremist group.
Shahar Dvir-Zeliger was handed a lesser sentence after co-operating with
investigators and leading them to where a weapons cache used by the group.
The cache in a West Bank cave contained guns, anti-tank rockets and
ammunition stolen from the Israeli army.
Prosecutors said the Dvir-Zeliger was member of the Bat Ayin cell, which
has killed eight Palestinians.
Three members of the group were convicted in 2003 for a bombing at a
Palestinian school in east Jerusalem in 2002 that left a teacher and four
children injured.
Two were sentenced to 15 years' jail and the third received a 12-year
term.
In handing down the sentence to Dvir-Zeliger - who lives in an illegal
settlement outpost near Nablus - the judge said: "The phenomenon of Jewish
citizens of Israel belonging to a terrorist organisation aiming to harm
Arab residents needs to be eradicated by severe punishment."
The perpetrators of a series of shooting attacks against Palestinian
motorists between 2001 and 2002 that killed eight people, including a
baby, have yet to be identified.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4075001.stm
Perhaps you could tell us when these terrorists' homes will be bulldozed
or destroyed by Apache or F18?
Stat.
Even many decent *Jews* object strongly to Israel's actions in Gaza
and the West Bank.
Nah, I wouldn't cvall them decent.
Would you recognise decent? Please learn to read posts properly before
replying to them!
Rinso
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Yeah, bandits, that were arrested and condemned, while the Palies have a
thousands tome more terrorists victim, and don't do such a thing to
them, hell, they want a terrorist king pin as a president.
Funny how you anti-Semite point to one or two bandit(s) in the other
camp, and never show the real horror that is going on and the real
decency of the Israeli despite it.
Irgun is certainly not considered as some hero stuff in Israel as we see
(contrary to what the little anti-Semite ***** tw pretends BTW), contrary
to Hamas and the other barbaric murderers gang consideration given by
Palestinians.
You show the problem just by trying to hide it.
Thank you very much Ricewind, you debunk yourself and your despicable ilk.
J.
Rincewind a écrit:
On Mon, 06 Dec 2004 13:18:47 +0000, Jean Guernon mumbled something like
this:
Rincewind a écrit:
On Sun, 05 Dec 2004 03:27:52 +0000, Jean Guernon mumbled something like
this:
MonsieurStat a écrit:
"Jean Guernon" <jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote in message
news:i4qsd.6193776$6p.984609@news.easynews.com...
Rincewind a écrit:
On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 13:23:47 +0000, Jean Guernon mumbled something
like this:
Liberating America From Israel
by Paul Findley
Nine-eleven would not have occurred if the U.S. government had
refused to
help Israel humiliate and destroy Palestinian society. Few express
this
More anti-Semitism with lots of anti-Semitic propaganda links.
There is a distinct difference between anti-Israeli and anti-Semitic
propaganda. It is possible to be anti-Israeli without being
anti-Semitic.
No it is not.
It is for people who actually know what these things are ;-)
There are some leninist losers in Israel and other radicals who are
against anything like there are leninists Americans who hate the US,
but no one Jew who respect his culture can be against the existence of
Israel, anti-semites think like that. Now that some losers exist even
ion Israel is not in question, but to be against the existence of
Israel is the characteristic of anti-semites. They hate Jews and don't
want them to have their own country. Logic shows that only anti-semites
(like you, stat) would pretend that there is a difference.
J.
Please also note that there is a distinct difference between being
anti-Israeli and being anti-Israel(hint - one of them has an 'i' at the
end). It is not the existence of Israel that is the issue(even
Palestinians accept the existence of Israel), but the actions of the
Israelis(with the tacit agreement of the US administration) in the West
Bank and Gaza.
Bah, no one likes violence, the barbaric Muslim start it, illegally use
civilian population to hide under their skirts, the Israeli have to deal
with it no matter what.
You should oppose the violence that require security measure, and so the
anti-semite assholes of the world. The wall works for instance, you see
who are the aggressors supporters, whoever they are, who peg the wall
should go down but offer no alternative. They don't, advocate
eliminating the terrorists assholes who are responsible for this state
of things.
What do you expect? That israel will let itself be massacred?
J.
After you have googled 'Irgun', perhaps you could comment on the following:
Jewish extremist settler jailed
An Israeli court has sentenced a Jewish settler to eight years
imprisonment for membership of an extremist group.
Shahar Dvir-Zeliger was handed a lesser sentence after co-operating with
investigators and leading them to where a weapons cache used by the group.
The cache in a West Bank cave contained guns, anti-tank rockets and
ammunition stolen from the Israeli army.
Prosecutors said the Dvir-Zeliger was member of the Bat Ayin cell, which
has killed eight Palestinians.
Three members of the group were convicted in 2003 for a bombing at a
Palestinian school in east Jerusalem in 2002 that left a teacher and four
children injured.
Two were sentenced to 15 years' jail and the third received a 12-year
term.
In handing down the sentence to Dvir-Zeliger - who lives in an illegal
settlement outpost near Nablus - the judge said: "The phenomenon of Jewish
citizens of Israel belonging to a terrorist organisation aiming to harm
Arab residents needs to be eradicated by severe punishment."
The perpetrators of a series of shooting attacks against Palestinian
motorists between 2001 and 2002 that killed eight people, including a
baby, have yet to be identified.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4075001.stm
Perhaps you could tell us when these terrorists' homes will be bulldozed
or destroyed by Apache or F18?
Stat.
Even many decent *Jews* object strongly to Israel's actions in Gaza
and the West Bank.
Nah, I wouldn't cvall them decent.
Would you recognise decent? Please learn to read posts properly before
replying to them!
Rinso
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On Mon, 06 Dec 2004 13:18:47 +0000, Jean Guernon mumbled something like
this:
Bah, no one likes violence, the barbaric Muslim start it, illegally use
civilian population to hide under their skirts, the Israeli have to deal
with it no matter what.
Perhaps you should google for 'Irgun' before you start shouting about who
'started it'...
Rinso
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Yeah, bandits, that were arrested and condemned, while the Palies have a
thousands time more terrorists victim, and don't do such a thing to
them, hell, they want a terrorist king pin as a president.
Funny how you anti-Semite point to one or two bandit(s) in the other
camp, and never show the real horror that is going on and the real
decency of the Israeli despite it.
Irgun is certainly not considered as some hero stuff in Israel as we see
(contrary to what the little anti-Semite ***** tw pretends BTW), contrary
to Hamas and the other barbaric murderers gang consideration given by
Palestinians.
You show the problem just by trying to hide it.
Thank you very much Ricewind, you debunk yourself and your despicable ilk.
J.
Rincewind a écrit:
On Mon, 06 Dec 2004 13:18:47 +0000, Jean Guernon mumbled something like
this:
Bah, no one likes violence, the barbaric Muslim start it, illegally use
civilian population to hide under their skirts, the Israeli have to deal
with it no matter what.
Perhaps you should google for 'Irgun' before you start shouting about who
'started it'...
Rinso
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On Mon, 06 Dec 2004 13:18:47 GMT, Jean Guernon
<jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote:
Bah, no one likes violence, the barbaric Muslim start it, illegally use
civilian population to hide under their skirts, the Israeli have to deal
with it no matter what.
"Witnesses watched as more than 60 Palestinian shops were bulldozed to
the ground this week in one West Bank village, while the owners stood
by and watch helplessly. But not one American in ten saw or heard
about this in the US press. An educated American pro-life activist was
surprised to disbelief when I told him that the Israeli death losses
run about one-fourth the number or Palestinians killed by Israelis. He
thought the statistics were reversed, having never heard or seen a
count in the US press, he has been brain scrubbed. Misinformation by
the US press is not excusable in the Internet age. So Israel has
provided an Orwellian propaganda filter called the Israeli Ministry of
Foreign Affairs (IMFA) that makes it all possible. It provides the
convenient excuse the US press needs to look the other way and print
abridged stories, keeping most of us ignorant. The propaganda arm of
the Israeli military has once again been caught purposefully lying
about the death count among its forces. We believe their purpose in
doing this is to condition Americans into accepting Israel's use of
American-made weapons of mass destruction against the vulnerable
civilian population in Gaza and the West Bank. Israel's willing
facilitator is the US Media, which spreads their distorted stories in
the USA. This same pattern of misrepresentation is repeated again and
again, proving how important and routine propaganda is to Israel. On
December 5th, the IMFA released an account of two suspected sacrifice
bombers (wrongly called suicide bombers*) who allegedly killed 22
persons and wounded more than 100. But the press release failed to
mention that there were also Israeli military casualties in the raid.
Furthermore, their account omitted the fact that a female army
sergeant was among the killed. The omission is significant. It fits
perfectly into the predictable pattern of how the IMFA deceives
Americans almost daily. This practice repeatedly uses almost every
report of Israeli deaths to distort the facts of their conflict with
the Palestinians. We will now teach you how to read between the lies
and know when the story is distorted.
THE PATTERN OF DECEPTION
On November 19, 2002, the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs (IMFA)
re-manufactured a similar story about a Palestinian sacrifice raid on
a military target. Twelve Israeli soldiers and paramilitary fighting
men were killed and there was no collateral damage (civilians dead).
The propagandists changed the "facts" to call the raid a "Massacre of
innocent (Israeli) civilians," as the story was carried in the US
press. It is a total and complete bald-faced lie which We Hold These
Truths alone corrected it in our article: U. S. Media, Caught Lying...
Again http://www.whtt.org/articles/021224.htm
This writer put the facts together from the Israeli military's own
documents one month after the event was misreported. Do you, dear
reader, know how to recognize such lies for yourself so you don't have
to wait for us to unravel it for you? To do this one must first
understand the quaint language of the IMFA. We call these lies
"z-facts" (short for Zionist facts) meaning lies that are couched in
official, narrative sounding language but are indeed untrue. Here is
how the Hebron report was distorted by z- facts, which the Media
reported as rear facts. The first release from the IMFA read:
"THE TERROR ATTACK IN HEBRON CLAIMED 12 LIVES." and "PALESTINIAN
GUNMEN" had opened fire on "JEWISH WORSHIPPERS WALKING HOME FROM
RELIGIOUS SERVICES,"
Z-facts differ from bald-faced lies because they do not state outright
all the killed or wounded are civilians, but it is clearly implied.
(In those rare cases where everyone killed are indeed civilian, the
IMFA says so and saves its lies for a later day.) The truth is told
only if it suits the teller. By calling an attack on an armed military
unit a "terror attack" on "Jewish worshipers" and "claiming 12 lives,"
the z-facts leave the a clear impression that those killed were
civilians. Any honest account would have called it "an attack on
Israeli military unit by Palestinian guerillas" etc. In our previous
article we explained the procedure as follows: "The Israeli Ministry
of Foreign Affairs is a propaganda arm of the Israeli Defense Force
(IDF). --They are the first to know who is killed. But they cause the
story to be circulated that all killed were civilians because it
serves their purpose. Then, once the misinformation has reached the
American public, the corrected story is allowed to surface in Israel,
though the false images are never corrected in the eyes of the
American public." http://www.whtt.org/articles/021224.htm (please
forgive us for quoting ourselves, but we are the best source)
In January 5th story Israel did it again. This time every one of our
readers should have detected the lie without being told. The press in
both countries used the same predictable, deceptive language. Each
stated "22 Israelis" had been killed and many more wounded. Had all
those killed or wounded had been non-military the report would most
likely have called them "civilians." The generic term "Israelis"
suggest to us that the IMFA is hiding something, not wanting to
identify who was really killed. They were.
Later the same day, a sad corrected story was carried with the names
of those killed. The IMFA stated that all of the victims had been
identified and included Staff Sgt. Mazal Orkobi of Azor. Ha'aretz
subsequently revealed in an obituary that Sgt. Orkobi was a 20 year-
old female who was on her first day of active duty with the Israeli
Defense Forces. But this part of the story never reached the USA. Nor
can we find a disclosure as to how many of the 120 wounded were
military. As usual, the IMFA did not disclose those who were in the
active reserves but not on duty at the time of death...
But because military were killed and possibly wounded, no
one can conclude they targeted civilians. In all but a few sacrifice
bombings military are killed or wounded. The IMFA had two reasons for
keeping Sergeant Orkobi's name out of the print. They can garner
sympathy for their air raids if the American public believes the
sacrifice bombers are targeting civilians only. Israel kills
Palestinian civilians by the dozens and do not even bother to
apologize.
The second reason Israel keeps Sergeant Orkobi's name out of
American's minds is that most do not know that Israeli's draft their
girls and puts them in harms way. If American Christians knew about
the mistreatment of Israeli women, including the use of Military-paid
abortion as a birth control method, many would wonder about their
unquestioned support of the Israeli war machine.
Christian Israeli Patriots such as Pat Robertson, Franklin Graham and
Jerry Falwell, who Ariel Sharon calls the Christian Zionists, might be
embarrassed to explain their undying devotion to a regime which drafts
women into combat, marches them hip to hip with men, and provides free
abortions for the resulting problems. Some might wake up and actually
wonder if boys and girls are conditioned to kill and torture
Palestinian including children. Israel and a complicit US Media solve
these twin problems by doctoring press releases with false statements
that omit the loss of military personnel in guerilla raids. Female
names are never associated with the military even though they make up
about 1/3 of the total draftees.
* ("Suicide bomber:" Suicide is the act of taking ones one life for
the purpose of ending it. Sacrifice bombers have never been shown to
have a desire to stop living; their motive is to find and destroy
enemy personal regardless of the cost. Thus the term "sacrifice
bombers" is more accurate in describing them. The former is an Israeli
propaganda label. )
REFERENCES LITERATURE FROM WHTT: Israel's policy of abusing its own
women is detailed in two previous articles by this author. "THE
EMBARRASSING ABUSE OF WOMEN IN ISRAEL'S WAR AGAINST MEN" Charles E
Carlson (http://www.whtt.org/articles/020607.htm ) and "ISRAEL'S
SLAUGHTER OF ISRAELIS ABORTION AND A DOUBLE-MINDED PEOPLE" By Se·n D.
Mac an Airchinnigh (http://www.whtt.org/rpr/021104.htm)
FROM OUR BOOKSTORE: http://www.whtt.org/bookstor.htm For the truth
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An unforgettable documentation of bravery which exposes the brutality
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about their beliefs and what they consider a mandate to support the
State of Israel, regardless of the harm it does, including genocide.
Sherry is a mother, concerned for her fellow humans, and a model
church-attendee, but Sherry is also a warrior. She knows what Jesus
said about loving one's neighbors and even enemies. But her
correspondence reveals she can not bring herself to love the
Palestinians. Sherry's cult of Christianity causes her to believe that
there is a "militant Islamic agenda" to eliminate both Christians and
"God's chosen people." Sherry supports Israel's actions without
question, because she believes it is scriptural and prophetic. Sherry
could be the lady (or man) sitting next to us every Sunday in church,
perhaps sharing your breakfast table, and often at the pulpit of your
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evangelicalism, and how it was transformed into radical anti-Islamic
bias. Special attention is given to the role of the Southern Baptist
Convention and of prominent televangelists. This report may be the
first to compare the several successive editions of the Scofield
Reference Bible since 1908, and to demonstrate a pernicious pro-Israel
political bias inserted between the lines of the respected King James
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Mideast wars upon the leadership of American churches. A must for
Pastors and leaders. Audio Tape and hard copy.
Book: One Nation Under Israel - by Andrew Hurley. Former United States
Senator J. William Fulbright, Chairman of the powerful Senate Foreign
Relations Committee, stated repeatedly in 1973, "Israel controls the
(U.S.) Senate". Fulbright soon became a "former Senator". Chapter 10
has a character study of terrorist now President, Ariel Sharon.
President George H.W. Bush admitted in a media interview in 1991 that
he had been virtually blackmailed to grant a $10 billion dollar loan
guaranty to the State of Israel, compliments of the American
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the creation of the Israelis by forcing armed squatters to hold Arab
territory. $6.00
Audiotape: SHIREEN FROM GAZA - C. E. Carlson's taped interview of this
young Muslim English Student in Gaza City, who tells of the lives and
hope of the Palestinian family caught up in a war they do not want,
and are powerless to stop. Mr. Carlson provides an account of his
visit to Gaza, where the five were in March, 2002, focusing on the
family and the so called "suicide bombers." This vital question is
asked and answered: do Muslim parents train children for war and body
bomb raids as the American and Israeli press claim?"
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Topaz a écrit:
On Mon, 06 Dec 2004 13:18:47 GMT, Jean Guernon
<jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote:
Bah, no one likes violence, the barbaric Muslim start it, illegally use
civilian population to hide under their skirts, the Israeli have to deal
with it no matter what.
"Witnesses watched as more than 60 Palestinian shops were bulldozed to
the ground this week in one West Bank village, while the owners stood
by and watch helplessly. But not one American in ten saw or heard
about this in the US press.
Because it is total propaganda ***** lies.
Go ***** yourself, terrorist supporter.
J.
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09 Dec 2004 09:06:42 PM |
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On Wednesday, March 6th, Ha'aretz, the prominent Israeli newspaper,
reported that "15 people" were killed the previous afternoon in
a "suicide" bus bombing in Haifa. The names of the killed and wounded
were not disclosed for more than 24 hours, but personal details about
the bomber were released immediately. According to Ha'aretz he
was "Mahmoud Amadan Salim Kawasme, 20, a computer student from Hebron
Polytechnic Institute. A letter was found on his body that included
quotations from the Koran. Kawasme is the 20th student from this
college to carry out attacks against Israeli targets since the
beginning of the Intifada."(2)
Most readers worldwide were told only a half-truth, that the bomber
was a 20 year-old Arab Muslim who deliberately murders innocent
civilians. George W. Bush poured glue on the lie by condemning the
act as "terrorism against the innocent." We want to assume our
President tells the whole truth, but he did not.
THE TRUTH COMES OUT OVERNIGHT:
The MINISTRY OF FOREIGN AFFAIRS standard practice is to wait for the
glue holding the lie together to set before bleeding out the names
and ranks of those killed, that way most people never know if
military are among those killed.
It was later announce that at least two of those killed were IDF
(Israeli Army) active duty personnel. Another may have been in the
military or the reserves. Unfortunately there were civilian
casualties, but the bombing must be viewed as aimed at Army
personnel. Why? Because it must be assumed that the soldiers hit
were the targets picked. This is the nature of war. Those near
soldiers are at risk.
In the first 65 days of 2003, Israel's military has killed no less
then 150 Palestinians, almost every one a civilians, and most were
killed inside their own homes. About half of those killed were
children.
In the entire history of the 12-year Intifada, approximately 66
Israelis children (under military age) have been killed by all
Palestinian attacks, including this Haifa bus #37 in which eight
teenagers were killed. This figure is compiled by examining public
records provided by the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs.
Israel's military has killed more Palestinian children in just the
last TWO MONTHS than the Palestinian have killed in 10 years! Who
then are the child killers?
Five of the eight teenagers killed in the explosion were within one
year of military age, which is 18 in Israel, and most were only three
or four years younger than the bomber. These students eventually
must all serve in the Israeli army.
One can only wonder how many of those 50 who were reported wounded
may also be active duty military, or are in the huge reserve forces.
The Palestinian attack on Haifa bus #37 was no more or less than a
search and destroy mission carried out by a volunteer militia against
and illegally oppressor. In some bus bombings 75% or more of those
killed were military. Yes, there was significant "collateral
damage." But our leaders make no apology for the civilian deaths will
that will come in Iraq.
The loss of any life is always tragic. Israelis are human, and so
are the Palestinians. WHTT is a pro-life organization. We also
grieve for the family of the 20 year old who blew himself up in this
mission against those military persons whom he considered his
oppressors.
By now the Israeli Defense Force will probably have found Mohamoud's
family and destroyed their home, and perhaps their neighbors' homes,
perhaps killing many more. Within 24 hour of this Mohamoud's mission
the IDF had killed 10 Gaza residents and wounded more than a hundred,
many of who will probably not survive, in an Apache Helicopter rocket
attack into upon a street crowd of civilians in Gaza. Mahmoud was
not from Gaza.
Where do you place the blame for this violence? When our president
labeled Mahmoud a terrorist he placed a target on the student's
family, and on anyone upon whom the Israelis chose to take
retribution. A little lie brings big death; why can't our leader
tell the truth about the little details?
Endnotes:
(1)Haaretz death report:
(<http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml>?
itemNo=269940&contrassID=1&subContrassID=5&sbSubContrassID=0&listSrc=Y
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(2.) <http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/spages/269513.html>
Haaretz reported the following military persons killed on the bus #37
"Barry Oved, 21, from Rosh Pina .... Barry was to have been RELEASED
FROM THE ARMY IN ABOUT FIVE MONTHS.... He will be laid to rest at 4
P.M. on Thursday at the MILITARY SECTION of the Rosh Pina cemetery."
(Note the admission of his military service, but his rank is not
given. If one did not read carefully he could be taken for a
civilian.)
"Mitel Katav, 20, from Haifa... WAS RELEASED FROM MILITARY SERVICE
just over a month ago... Her uncle, Karmi Katav, said 'she was a
sweet and smiling child".... He added that Mitel's father had five
children and would get up at 5:30 A.M. TO TAKE HER TO THE BUS STATION
ON HER WAY TO THE ARMY BASE."
"Staff Sergeant Eliahu Lacham, 22, from Haifa"
"ELIAHU LACHAM WILL BE LAID TO REST AT 9 P.M. ON THURSDAY AT MILITARY
CEMETERY IN HAIFA."
[The release does not disclose the names of wounded, nor if Mitel or
others on the bus are in the active military reserve, as are most
Israelis over 21 years old, but it does reveal that the military
travel on public buses in Israel. Editor observed this to be fact on
every bus he saw or rode. There can be doubt that public buses in
Israel are military targets. Mitel was female soldier, a facts is
rarely admitted to Americans when Israelis are killed.]
WHTT has produced several first hand reports proving why buses are
military targets in Israel and why the press has lied about it. See
LIAR, LIAR! THE ISRAELI MINISTRY OF FOREIGN AFFAIRS by
C. E. Carlson (<http://www.whtt.org/articles/020621.htm>)
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On Sun, 05 Dec 2004 03:27:52 GMT, Jean Guernon
<jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote:
There are some leninist losers in Israel and other radicals who are
against anything like there are leninists Americans who hate the US, but
no one Jew who respect his culture can be against the existence of
Israel, anti-semites think like that. Now that some losers exist even
ion Israel is not in question, but to be against the existence of Israel
is the characteristic of anti-semites. They hate Jews and don't want
them to have their own country. Logic shows that only anti-semites (like
you, stat) would pretend that there is a difference.
This is what Jews believe:
"One of the most astounding instances of Jewish hypocrisy was uttered
by
a Jew named Isi Leibler, who is no less than the chairman of the
governing board of the World Jewish Congress. Now Isi Leibler is
well-known as a powerful Jew in Australia, where he was for years the
official head of the Jewish community there. He now lives in Israel.
In
an interview with a Jerusalem newspaper, he stated about Israel "This
is
a country which was set up and created as a Jewish country for the
Jews." In an essay he wrote for the World Jewish Congress, he decried
intermarriage between Jews and non-Jews as a kind of racial suicide,
and
likened assimilation with non-Jews as a slow bleeding to death of the
Jewish people. He emphasized that focus of Israeli policy should be to
sharpen and intensify Jewish identity and that even giving up
territory
was acceptable if it meant getting rid of non-Jews and making Israel a
more nearly all-Jewish state. Leibler argues that post-Zionists
threaten
Israel when they publish textbooks that de-emphasize Jewish racial
interests and replace them with "universalist" history. In the
interview
mentioned, Leibler went so far as to say: "Multiculturalism has no
place
in Israel. Israel was created as a Jewish state for the Jews." That's
the Jew Isi Leibler talking about his own people's country, talking
about Israel. [Leibler, Isi: Is the Dream Ending? Post-Zionism and its
Discontents - A Threat to the Jewish Future, Institute of the World
Jewish Congress, Israel]
But what was Isi Leibler saying when he lived in Australia, a White
country, a non-Jewish country? What was Isi Leibler saying when he was
the head of Australia's powerful Jewish minority? Isi Leibler's advice
to Israel is to protect its racial and cultural heritage. Isi
Leibler's
advice to Jews is to avoid intermarriage. Isi Leibler thinks it's just
fine -- even necessary -- to separate non-Jews from Jews in Israel, to
get non-Jews on the other side of a well-defended border, to throw
them
out of Israel. But to Australians Isi Leibler played quite a different
tune. When Australian politician Pauline Hanson was galvanizing White
Australians in 1993 with her questioning of the wisdom of non-White
immigration to that country, Leibler warned that "extremists" were
threatening precious multiculturalism. He said: "There is a need to
sit
together and establish a way in which Australians can recapture that
spirit of multiculturalism which I think we are all proud being part
and
parcel of, and which is really under threat?" [Australian Herald-Sun,
September 27, 2000]
How much clearer does it have to be before you see it? Leibler and his
fellow powerful Jews want racial nationalism for their own people,
because racial nationalism makes them strong and ensures their
survival.
They want racial nationalism because they want their kind to survive
and
racial nationalism is the key to survival. They're not stupid. They
want
what is best for Jews.
But Leibler and his fellow powerful Jews don't want racial nationalism
for White people. In Australia and Europe and South Africa and the
United States -- wherever White people live -- Leibler and his kind in
Jewish organizations and in the Jewish-controlled media do everything
in
their power to destroy racial nationalism for White people, everything
in their power to keep us from having it, everything in their power to
make it disreputable and impossible and illegal. Just the other day,
Leibler said that one of the most important things in the world to him
was Israel's "right to exist as a sovereign Jewish state." [Israel
Insider, November 24, 2002] But Leibler and his co-racialists in the
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