On Wed, 9 Jan 2008, wrote:
Reading Bill Bryson's latest book where, among other things, he
remembers his childhood experience of the Cuban Missile Crisis, I got
to thinking of my own memories of that episode. I was nine at the
time, and living in the North of England.
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In October of '62, I'd just turned 5, and was living in Bainbridge
Ohio, USA. I have no conscious recollection about the Cuban missile
crisis from that time, though I do remember watching cartoons, and
Romper Room, Captain Kangaroo, etc. LOL! Where ignorance is bliss...
The general opinion then was that if a nuclear war broke out, Britain
would be hit pretty heavily, and so I vividly remember wandering
around the streets one Friday afternoon (October 26th?) thinking that
we probably had only a few hours to live - it was horrible. The one
thought that was uppermost in mu mind was 'what will the first sign
be?' That thought has stayed with me ever since.
If a nuclear strike happened a few miles away, I suppose the first
sign would be the sky lighting up in an almighty flash. But if you
just happened to be on the missiles' flight-path, would you get to see
them before they exploded, and thus have a chance to say to yourself
"well, this is it"? And it you saw them, what would they probably look
like?
I heard once that ICBM's come in at 18,000mph, so at that speed you'd
probably never see them till they hit, but then, I know next to
nothing about this subject.
I'd be very interested to hear anyone's comments on this.
Here're a couple links on the subject:
http://www.altavista.com/web/results?itag=ody&pg=aq&aqmode=s&aqa=megaton+kill+radius&aqp=Intercontinental+Ballistic+Missile&aqo=&aqn=&kgs=1&kls=0&dt=tmperiod&d2=0&dfr%5Bd%5D=1&dfr%5Bm%5D=1&dfr%5By%5D=1980&dto%5Bd%5D=9&dto%5Bm%5D=1&dto%5By%5D=2008&filetype=&rc=dmn&swd=&lh=&nbq=50
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ICBM
Thus, if a nuclear missile were launched toward a populated region
in today's world, it's possible we might hear about it on the news
before those in the target region hear the incoming missile itself.
For them within the immediate kill radius, a mundane bright light:
then immediately (if not sooner) the Light at the end of the Dark
tunnel. As for who goes directly into the Light, vs. who does not,
that's a matter for each departed soul to decide. Those who won't
enter the Light get trapped in Limbo, oftentimes for centuries.
Any way you look at it, whether sinners succumb quickly or slowly
to the effects of thermonuclear detonation, radiation, etc., that
is the least of their problems. Worse torments await them in Hell.
Furthermore, thinking as one apocalyptic millenarianist Christian,
I wouldn't worry yourself too much about nuclear war, as biblical
and other prophecies are--by definition of prophecy--in concerted
agreement, wholly of one consensus, that vastly greater default of
mortal humans is made by biological weapons, than by some limited
nuclear strikes (the most significant of which is upon WOB world
headquarters). And at the apex of the great tribulation, incoming
about seven stadia along its major axis wipes out coastal regions
worldwide. But then, that's merely my deduction of the aforesaid.
"I could be wrong now, but I don't think so."
--'It's a Jungle out There', Randy Newman
Armageddon Cometh,
Daniel Joseph Min
http://www.angelfire.com/moon2/danieljosephmin/
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09 Jan 2008 07:01:11 PM |
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"Joseph R Loegering" wrote:
The doctrine of Limbo, is a false doctrine started by a Christian Crusader
Catholic Pope.
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I wasn't referring to worldly dogmas, but to outer darkness,
you know, where grounded, near-earth souls abide in torments,
as in "where the woodbine twineth, and the iceman cometh not."
E.g., here's a delightful excerpt from the gospel According
to Luke (interlinear translation from Jerome's Latin Vulgate),
followed by someone else's relatively crude translation of a
wonderful book by the historian Josephus on this very subject:
"homo quidam erat dives et induebatur purpura
But was a man certain to be rich, and indued in purple
et bysso et epulabatur cotidie splendide et
and byssus, and well feasted each day splendidly. and
erat quidam mendicus nomine Lazarus qui iacebat ad
to be a certain mendicant named Lazarus, who laid at
ianuam eius ulceribus plenus cupiens saturari
his gate, him having ulcers plenary. concupiscent to be satiated
de micis quae cadebant de mensa divitis
from crumbs which fell from the table of the rich man,
sed et canes veniebant et lingebant ulcera eius
moreover the canines did come and lick the ulcers of him.
factum est autem ut moreretur mendicus et
occurred to be but in order to die the mendicant, and
portaretur ab angelis in sinum Abrahae mortuus
to be portative by angels into the bosom of Abraham. died
est autem et dives et sepultus est in
to be but also the rich man, and was buried to be. in
inferno elevans oculos suos ***** esset in
the inferno having elevated the eyes of him, when to be in
tormentis videbat Abraham a longe et
torments, he is seeing Abraham from a long way off, and
Lazarum in sinu eius et ipse clamans
Lazarus in the bosom of him. and himself having clamored
dixit pater Abraham miserere mei et
he is saying Father Abraham, mercy be you having on me, and
mitte Lazarum ut intinguat
be you sending Lazarus in order that he may be intincting
extremum digiti sui in aqua ut
the extremities of the digits of him in water, in order that
refrigeret linguam meam quia crucior
to be refrigerating the lingula of me, because it is excruciating
in hac flamma et dixit illi Abraham fili recordare
in this flame. and is saying to him Abraham Son, remember that
quia recepisti bona in vita tua
because you were receptive of the good things in the life of you,
et Lazarus similiter mala nunc autem hic
and Lazarus similarly of the bad things, now but in this place
consolatur tu vero cruciaris et in his
he is consoled, and you are verily excruciated. and in this
omnibus inter nos et vos chasma magnum firmatum est
wholly between us and you, a chasm great has been firmly placed,
ut hii qui volunt hinc transire
in order that those who are volitional from here to be transiting
ad vos non possint neque inde huc
toward to you not they are able, neither from thence to here
transmeare et ait rogo ergo te
across you are moving. and he is saying I am asking therefore you,
pater ut mittas eum in domum
father, in order that you to be sending him into the domicile
patris mei habeo enim quinque fratres
of the father of me. I am having in fact five brothers,
ut testetur illis ne et ipsi
in order that he should testify to them, that not also themselves
veniant in locum hunc tormentorum et
they are coming into the locality this of torments. and
ait illi Abraham habent Mosen et prophetas
he is saying to him Abraham They are having Moses and the prophets,
audiant illos at ille dixit non pater
let them be hearing them. but to him he is saying No, father
Abraham sed si quis ex mortuis ierit ad eos
Abraham, but if anyone out of the dead did go toward them,
paenitentiam agent ait autem
in penitence they will conduct themselves. he is saying but
illi si Mosen et prophetas non audiunt neque
to him If Moses and the prophets not they are hearing, neither
si quis ex mortuis resurrexerit
if anyone out of the dead should be resurrected
credent"
will they be credent.
--Lucas 16:19-31, editio Vulgata
"But as to the unjust, they are dragged by force to
the left hand by the angels allotted for punishment,
no longer going with a good-will, but as prisoners
driven by violence; to whom are sent the angels
appointed over them to reproach them and threaten
them with their terrible looks, and to thrust them
still downwards. Now those angels that are set over
these souls drag them into the neighborhood of hell
itself; who, when they are hard by it, continually
hear the noise of it, and do not stand clear of the
hot vapor itself; but when they have a near view of
this spectacle, as of a terrible and exceeding great
prospect of fire, they are struck with a fearful
expectation of a future judgment, and in effect
punished thereby: and not only so, but where they see
the place [or choir] of the fathers and of the just,
even hereby are they punished; for a chaos deep and
large is fixed between them; insomuch that a just man
that hath compassion upon them cannot be admitted,
nor can one that is unjust, if he were bold enough to
attempt it, pass over it."--excerpt,'Discourse to the
Greeks concerning Hades'; Flavius Josephus (~37-95 AD)
Armageddon Cometh,
Daniel Joseph Min
http://www.angelfire.com/moon2/danieljosephmin/
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09 Jan 2008 08:33:19 PM |
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On Jan 10, 12:01=A0pm, "Non scrivetemi" <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-
Header@[127.1]> wrote:
"Joseph R Loegering" wrote:
The doctrine of Limbo, is a false doctrine started by a Christian Crusade=
r
Catholic Pope.
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I wasn't referring to worldly dogmas, but to outer darkness,
you know, where grounded, near-earth souls abide in torments,
as in "where the woodbine twineth, and the iceman cometh not."
E.g., here's a delightful excerpt from the gospel According
to Luke (interlinear translation from Jerome's Latin Vulgate),
followed by someone else's relatively crude translation of a
wonderful book by the historian Josephus on this very subject:
"homo =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0quidam =A0erat =A0dives et =A0induebatur purpura
=A0But was a man certain to be rich, and indued in =A0purple
=A0et =A0bysso =A0 et =A0epulabatur =A0 cotidie =A0splendide =A0 et
=A0and byssus, and well feasted each day splendidly. and
=A0erat =A0quidam =A0 =A0mendicus =A0nomine Lazarus =A0qui iacebat ad
=A0to be a certain mendicant named =A0Lazarus, who laid =A0 =A0at
=A0ianuam =A0 =A0eius ulceribus =A0 =A0 plenus =A0 cupiens =A0 =A0 =A0satu=
rari
=A0his gate, him =A0having ulcers plenary. concupiscent to be satiated
=A0de =A0 micis =A0quae =A0cadebant de =A0 mensa =A0 =A0 divitis
=A0from crumbs which fell =A0 =A0 from the table of the rich man,
=A0sed et =A0 canes =A0 =A0 =A0 veniebant et =A0lingebant ulcera =A0 =A0 e=
ius
=A0moreover the canines did come =A0and lick =A0 =A0 =A0the ulcers of him.=
=A0factum =A0 est =A0 autem ut =A0 =A0 =A0 moreretur mendicus =A0 =A0 =A0 =
et
=A0occurred to be but =A0 in order to die =A0 =A0the mendicant, and
=A0portaretur =A0 =A0 =A0ab angelis in =A0 sinum =A0 =A0 Abrahae =A0 =A0 m=
ortuus
=A0to be portative by angels =A0into the bosom of Abraham. died
=A0est =A0 autem et =A0 dives =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 et =A0sepultus =A0 est =A0 =
=A0in
=A0to be but =A0 also the rich man, and was buried to be. in
=A0inferno =A0 =A0 elevans =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 oculos =A0 suos =A0 =A0cum =A0e=
sset in
=A0the inferno having elevated the eyes of him, when to be in
=A0tormentis videbat =A0 =A0 =A0Abraham a =A0 =A0longe =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=
et
=A0torments, he is seeing Abraham from a long way off, and
=A0Lazarum in sinu =A0 =A0 =A0eius =A0 =A0et =A0ipse =A0 =A0clamans
=A0Lazarus in the bosom of him. and himself having clamored
=A0dixit =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0pater =A0Abraham =A0miserere =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =
=A0mei =A0 =A0et
=A0he is saying Father Abraham, mercy be you having on me, and
=A0mitte =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Lazarum ut =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0intinguat =
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0
=A0be you sending Lazarus in order that he may be intincting
=A0extremum =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0digiti =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0sui =A0 =A0in aqua =A0 ut=
=A0the extremities of the digits of him in water, in order that
=A0refrigeret =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0linguam =A0 =A0 meam =A0 quia =A0 =A0cruc=
ior
=A0to be refrigerating the lingula of me, because it is excruciating
=A0in hac =A0flamma et =A0dixit =A0 =A0 illi =A0 Abraham fili recordare
=A0in this flame. and is saying to him Abraham Son, remember that
=A0quia =A0 =A0recepisti =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 bona =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =
=A0in vita =A0 =A0 tua
=A0because you were receptive of the good things in the life of you,
=A0et =A0Lazarus similiter =A0 =A0mala =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0nunc autem h=
ic =A0
=A0and Lazarus similarly of the bad things, now =A0but =A0 in this place
=A0consolatur =A0 =A0 =A0tu =A0 =A0 =A0vero =A0 =A0 =A0 cruciaris =A0 =A0e=
t =A0in his
=A0he is consoled, and you are verily excruciated. and in this
=A0omnibus inter =A0 nos et =A0vos =A0chasma =A0magnum firmatum est
=A0wholly =A0between us =A0and you, a chasm great =A0has been firmly place=
d,
=A0ut =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0hii =A0 qui volunt =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 hinc =A0 =
=A0 =A0transire =A0
=A0in order that those who are volitional from here to be transiting
=A0ad =A0 =A0 vos =A0 =A0non possint =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0neque =A0 inde =A0 =A0=
=A0 =A0huc =A0 =A0
=A0toward to you not they are able, neither from thence to here
=A0transmeare =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 et =A0ait =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0rogo =
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0ergo =A0 =A0 =A0te
=A0across you are moving. and he is saying I am asking therefore you,
=A0pater =A0 ut =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0mittas =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0eum i=
n =A0 domum =A0
=A0father, in order that you to be sending him into the domicile
=A0patris =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0mei =A0 =A0habeo =A0 =A0 =A0 enim =A0 =A0quinque =
fratres =A0
=A0of the father of me. I am having in fact five =A0 =A0brothers,
=A0ut =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0testetur =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0illis =A0 =A0ne =
=A0 =A0 =A0 et =A0 ipsi =A0 =A0 =A0
=A0in order that he should testify to them, that not also themselves
=A0veniant =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 in =A0 locum =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0hunc tormentorum =
=A0et =A0
=A0they are coming into the locality this of torments. and
=A0ait =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0illi =A0 Abraham habent =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Mosen=
et =A0prophetas
=A0he is saying to him Abraham They are having Moses and the prophets,
=A0audiant =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 illos at =A0ille =A0 dixit =A0 =A0 =A0 =
=A0non pater
=A0let them be hearing them. but to him he is saying No, father
=A0Abraham =A0sed si quis =A0 ex =A0 =A0 mortuis =A0ierit =A0ad =A0 =A0 eo=
s =A0
=A0Abraham, but if anyone out of the dead did go toward them,
=A0paenitentiam agent =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 ait =
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0autem
=A0in penitence they will conduct themselves. he is saying but
=A0illi =A0 si Mosen et =A0prophetas =A0 =A0non audiunt =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =
=A0 neque =A0
=A0to him If Moses and the prophets not they are hearing, neither
=A0si quis =A0 ex =A0 =A0 mortuis =A0resurrexerit =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0
=A0if anyone out of the dead should be resurrected
=A0credent"
=A0will they be credent.
=A0--Lucas 16:19-31, editio Vulgata
"But as to the unjust, they are dragged by force to
=A0the left hand by the angels allotted for punishment,
=A0no longer going with a good-will, but as prisoners =A0
=A0driven by violence; to whom are sent the angels
=A0appointed over them to reproach them and threaten
=A0them with their terrible looks, and to thrust them
=A0still downwards. Now those angels that are set over
=A0these souls drag them into the neighborhood of hell
=A0itself; who, when they are hard by it, continually
=A0hear the noise of it, and do not stand clear of the
=A0hot vapor itself; but when they have a near view of
=A0this spectacle, as of a terrible and exceeding great
=A0prospect of fire, they are struck with a fearful
=A0expectation of a future judgment, and in effect
=A0punished thereby: and not only so, but where they see
=A0the place [or choir] of the fathers and of the just,
=A0even hereby are they punished; for a chaos deep and
=A0large is fixed between them; insomuch that a just man
=A0that hath compassion upon them cannot be admitted,
=A0nor can one that is unjust, if he were bold enough to
=A0attempt it, pass over it."--excerpt,'Discourse to the
=A0Greeks concerning Hades'; Flavius Josephus (~37-95 AD)
Armageddon Cometh,
Daniel Joseph Minhttp://www.angelfire.com/moon2/danieljosephmin/
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We'll know in advance ~ the first ones will land on Tel Aviv & Dimona
~!
HOOROO
UNCLE WALLY
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