"Eric Rodgers" <rodgersericv@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:<FWJeb.4800$f11.4241@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net>...
at 45 degrees
"Eric Rodgers" <rodgersericv@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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yellowstone will burn the sky
So U r basing this on the Nostradamus prophecy
"The sky will burn at 45 degrees" ?!?
"In the year of the new century and nine months,
from the sky will come a great King of Terror...
The sky will burn at forty-five degrees.
Fire approaches the great new city..."
Y and how do U get "Yellowstone" out of this prophecy ?!?!?
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06 Oct 2003 12:13:04 AM |
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"World War Three 2003" <worldwarthree2003@hotmail.com> schrieb im
Newsbeitrag news:c6cdac60.0310032053.75b8ed29@posting.google.com...
"Eric Rodgers" <rodgersericv@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:<FWJeb.4800$f11.4241@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net>...
at 45 degrees
"Eric Rodgers" <rodgersericv@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:HKyeb.302$f11.60@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net...
yellowstone will burn the sky
So U r basing this on the Nostradamus prophecy
"The sky will burn at 45 degrees" ?!?
"In the year of the new century and nine months,
from the sky will come a great King of Terror...
The sky will burn at forty-five degrees.
Fire approaches the great new city..."
Y and how do U get "Yellowstone" out of this prophecy ?!?!?
Nostradamus is blatant nonsense. Wasn't there something that should
have happened in July of 1999?
Nostradamus:
"the year 1999 and seven months, from the sky will come a great King of
Terror..."
1999 passed and nothing happend. That's the ultimate clue that Nostradamus
is
pure nonsense!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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06 Oct 2003 05:21:10 AM |
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On Mon, 06 Oct 2003 05:13:04 GMT, "Ploppy" <ploppy@plapper.ly> either
wrote or (if so marked) quoted:
Nostradamus is blatant nonsense. Wasn't there something that should
have happened in July of 1999?
Nostradamus:
"the year 1999 and seven months, from the sky will come a great King of
Terror..."
1999 passed and nothing happend. That's the ultimate clue that Nostradamus
is
pure nonsense!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
No, only your hopeless mistranslation of him!
X.72. Original text of 1568 edition
L’an mil neuf cens nonante neuf sept mois
Du ciel viendra un grand Roy deffraieur
Resusciter le grand Roy d’Angolmois.
Avant apres Mars regner par bon heur.
Read as modern French:
De la part du ciel; pourvoyeur/commis aux vivres/hôte
Viendra résusciter/Résuscitera; Angoumois
Avant, après Mars, de régner; de manière fortunée
When 1999 is seven months o’er
Shall a great King and host - on heaven's part, he -
Restore the King from Angoumois once more,
Ere, after March, he’ll reign propitiously.
Source: The miraculous restoration to health in his Madrid prison of
the dying King François I, duc d’Angoulême, which apparently resulted
from a personal visit from his host and jailor the Holy Roman Emperor
Charles V in August 1525, projected (with some adaptation) into the
future in accordance with the Mirabilis liber’s description of the
similar function of a future ‘Angelic Pastor’: ‘According to all the
prophets, this new Pope shall be full of holiness and very pleasing to
God, and during his life and at his death shall perform miracles . . .
Pure and full of grace, he shall annul everything [untoward that has
taken place hitherto], and shall redeem with his amiable virtues the
State of the Church and the dispersed temporal powers’ (Prophecy of
the Angelic Pastor). François was duly released to resume his reign
the following March. Nostradamus has evidently calculated the
celebrated date in the first line (July 1999) by simple comparative
horoscopy, given that Jupiter, Mars, Venus, Mercury and the moon were
each in the same signs (Taurus, Scorpio, Virgo, Leo and
Cancer-to-Scorpio respectively) on both occasions.
[Translation and analysis from 'Nostradamus: The Illustrated
Prophecies' (O Books, November 2003: copyright (c) Peter Lemesurier
2003)]
Does it still fit?
--
Peter
http://www.nostradamus500.com
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07 Oct 2003 01:13:48 AM |
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Nostradamus:
"the year 1999 and seven months, from the
sky will come a great King of
Terror..."
1999 passed and nothing happend.
[...something of someone living in 1525,
when some planets had the same position
as in July 1999...]
You do not really believe in that, do you?
And would you have given me this interpretation
in 1998, one year before that year of Nostradamus'
prediction? No, of course not!
I react to this posting because it was also
posted to alt.bible.prophecies. In the bible
you can read hundreds of exact prophecies which
already have come true and can be correlated
with exact events. And others do give a clear
picture of what to come.
With Nostradamus you have (at best) a "prophet"
whose prophecies can only identified as such
AFTER these events have taken place! What value
do such prophecies have? Right: no value at all.
And look at those who seek for asteroids DISCOVERED
in 1999 which could hit the earth at any time in
the future. The desperate effort to attach the
least little touch of credibility of Nostradamus
after this one and only clear prediction of him
failed so miserably!
Let me tell you this: Nostradamus is a jerk. At
least since August of 1999 everyone should know!
greetings
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| User: "Peter Lemesurier" |
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07 Oct 2003 04:39:14 AM |
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On Tue, 07 Oct 2003 06:13:48 GMT, "Ploppy" <ploppy@plapper.ly> either
wrote or (if so marked) quoted:
[...something of someone living in 1525,
when some planets had the same position
as in July 1999...]
You do not really believe in that, do you?
And would you have given me this interpretation
in 1998, one year before that year of Nostradamus'
prediction? No, of course not!
If you check the a.p.n archives, I think you'll find that section 14.
of the FAQs was saying the following by then -- or at least well
before the date in question. It refers to the supposed 'resuscitation'
of the dying Francis I of France by his jailer, the Holy Roman Emperor
Charles V, in Madrid:
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....For, having duly looked up the planetary positions for that period,
as
Jo suggested, I discovered that in August 1525 (Julian) there was
indeed a good match with July 1999 -- namely:
1525 14th to 23rd August:
Jupiter in Taurus
Mars in Scorpio
Venus in Virgo
Mercury in Leo
Moon from Cancer to Scorpio
Latitude (to nearest degree): 40 degrees N (Madrid, capital of
Spain)
Solar noon declination (to nearest degree): 10 degrees N to 7
degrees N
1999 13th to 23rd July:
Jupiter in Taurus
Mars in Scorpio
Venus in Virgo
Mecury in Leo
Moon from Cancer to Scorpio
Solar noon declination (to nearest degree): 22 degrees N to 20
degrees N
Thus, relative latitude: 12 degrees N to 13 degrees N
Therefore new latitude: 52 degrees N to 53 degrees N
Possible location (capital city): Amsterdam, Berlin or Warsaw
Unusually, there was no sun-match, though.
So what does this mean? After all, the future period that is
pinpointed (NOT the original planetary configuration!) does fall more
or less within the period covered by HIS July (our 14th July to 13th
August). [However, for those interested, the period actually
pinpointed doesn't include our 11th August, with its solar eclipse!]
--
Peter Lemesurier
http://www.nostradamus500.com
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06 Oct 2003 09:06:56 AM |
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Peter Lemesurier <lemesur@bengalrubyethisoutvillas.demon.co.uk> w
Spewed ***** based on a FAKE copy
X.72. Original text of 1568 edition
Hey jerkoff didn't you hear the 1568 Copy is a FAKE you fucking queer
http://www.authentigraph.com/1568
What happened in July 1999
Let's see JFK Jr fell from the Sky
A young american prince as it states
A comet was discovered, when NASA ran a history of it's tracking it
was shown that it almost destroyed the earth in 1965 around the time
of the black out
So a famous death occurred and a KILLER COMET/ASTEROID was discovered
Yet the fucking bonehead Lemonhead wants to quote a fucking fake copy
of the prophecies
SHUT THE ***** UP YOU MAGGOT
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06 Oct 2003 01:00:50 PM |
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(xbiblio) wrote in message news:<95d53202.0310060606.2feb7429@posting.google.com>...
Peter Lemesurier <lemesur@bengalrubyethisoutvillas.demon.co.uk> w
Spewed ***** based on a FAKE copy
X.72. Original text of 1568 edition
Hey jerkoff didn't you hear the 1568 Copy is a FAKE you fucking queer
http://www.authentigraph.com/1568
Hmm, makes sense -- the usual is 'd'effraieur.' The word 'deffraieur'
is not found anywhere else in N's writings.
Well Mr. Britton is exposed once again.
Signs of the Eastern King of France:
BIRTH:
On a Thursday
At night
During a cold winter
Day celebrated as holiday
Rising sign is one of the three water signs
Humble birth and obscure lineage
Signs in the sky
Birth in the eastern quarters of Asia "beyond Tartary" or "in the
quarters of Hind or Cina"
NAME:
Known by three names
Name given by three sisters after birth is "savage"
Surname is foreign to the French
Middle name means "ocean"
IMPORTANT DATES:
1999 -- 'Resuscitated' by 'King of Terror'
2003 -- He rises to power making clear N's prophecies
CHARACTERISTICS
A prophet
Very knowledgeable
Good speaker capable of both "ornate" and "wrathful" words
Handsome
In 30s or 40s when he ascends
Widely traveled
Served as a soldier
Of dusky hue (to a European)
Attentive to foreign women
ACTIONS
Reconstructs ancient blood line
Resurrects royal heritage
Takes that which was pledged to his ancestors, including claims to
thrones
Uses special ensignia
Causes wealth to be distributed
Delivers a great people from impositions
Frees people from voluntary slavery
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06 Oct 2003 04:24:53 PM |
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Having skipped an E.L.F. meeting to be here,
(loftydragon) scribbled:
Signs of the Eastern King of France:
Nostradamus NEVER wrote about an 'eastern king of France'.
To reply by email, remove the XYZ.
Lumber Cartel (tinlc) #2063. Spam this account at your own risk.
It's your SIG, say what you want to say....
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| User: "RetroProphet" |
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06 Oct 2003 02:55:32 PM |
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xbiblio says...
What happened in July 1999
Let's see JFK Jr fell from the Sky
A young american prince as it states
A comet was discovered, when NASA ran a history of it's tracking it
was shown that it almost destroyed the earth in 1965 around the time
of the black out
So a famous death occurred and a KILLER COMET/ASTEROID was discovered
The asteroid you are referring to is called "1999 VP11"
I was wondering why you get all excited about it being
a "killer" when 1) in fact it certainly was not a "killer"
and 2) another asteroid (1999 AN10) was also discovered
in 1999. It is bigger than VP11, has a closest approach
distance virtually identical to 1999 VP11, and a closest
approach date that is in the future, so that perhaps it
MIGHT actually BE a "killer", something VP11 will
NEVER be able to claim.
Comparison data:
1999 AN10
closest approach date: August 7 2027
closest approach distance: .0026 AU
approximate diameter: 1100 meters
1999 VP11
closest approach date: October 21 1965
closest approach distance: .0022 AU
approximate diameter: 820 meters
Please enlighten me as to how you managed to choose
between these two candidates for fulfilling prophecy.
Why does an asteroid that did NOT hit the Earth
qualify as a "killer" but one that MIGHT hit the
Earth in the future doesn't?
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04 Oct 2003 03:20:05 AM |
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Having skipped an E.L.F. meeting to be here, (World War
Three 2003) scribbled:
"In the year of the new century and nine months,
from the sky will come a great King of Terror...
The sky will burn at forty-five degrees.
Fire approaches the great new city..."
Y and how do U get "Yellowstone" out of this prophecy ?!?!?
How do you get ANYTHING out of it, being that Nostradamus sis NOT write it???
To reply by email, remove the XYZ.
Lumber Cartel (tinlc) #2063. Spam this account at your own risk.
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04 Oct 2003 08:11:37 AM |
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On 3 Oct 2003 21:53:08 -0700, (World War
Three 2003) burped:
So U r basing this on the Nostradamus prophecy
"The sky will burn at 45 degrees" ?!?
"In the year of the new century and nine months,
from the sky will come a great King of Terror...
The sky will burn at forty-five degrees.
Fire approaches the great new city..."
Y and how do U get "Yellowstone" out of this prophecy ?!?!?
==============================================================
Well it is now well past the new century and nine months. The sky is
still there, it hasn't burnt yet. Ready to give up on this prophecy
***** yet?
"life is like a mushroom, they feed you ***** and keep you in the dark"
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04 Oct 2003 08:08:59 PM |
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wrote in news:5lhtnvcrome5e7r5n97gvbbscb0ra9iqo1@
4ax.com:
On 3 Oct 2003 21:53:08 -0700, (World War
Three 2003) burped:
So U r basing this on the Nostradamus prophecy
"The sky will burn at 45 degrees" ?!?
"In the year of the new century and nine months,
from the sky will come a great King of Terror...
The sky will burn at forty-five degrees.
Fire approaches the great new city..."
Y and how do U get "Yellowstone" out of this prophecy ?!?!?
==============================================================
Well it is now well past the new century and nine months. The sky is
still there, it hasn't burnt yet. Ready to give up on this prophecy
Since there is no year 0, could not the new century refer to the year
2001? And 9 months would be September. forty-five degrees and great
new city refer to New York. From the sky will come a King of Terror ..
the sky will burn .. could this not refer to the World Trade Center
strike on 9/11/01?
I don't know that the nostradamus prophecy was right, but the events of
9/11 certainly seem to fit as well as being profoundly momentous. The
world had never seen a firery destruction from the sky like that of the
twin towers.
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04 Oct 2003 09:47:43 PM |
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Having skipped an E.L.F. meeting to be here, Dennis Roark
<denro@NOSPsio.midco.net> scribbled:
Since there is no year 0, could not the new century refer to the year
2001?
No. The decades, centuries, AND millennium all start with year 1,
and end with a year ending in 0, 00, or 000.
That's SIMPLE math, but copiously still too hard for some people to understand.
And 9 months would be September. forty-five degrees and great
new city refer to New York. From the sky will come a King of Terror ..
the sky will burn .. could this not refer to the World Trade Center
strike on 9/11/01?
But, of course, sept means 7 in French, because it wasn't capitalized.
THEN that's the not insignificant matter of the posted quatrain NOT
being what Nostradamus wrote, but a pairing of parts of 2 different quatrains.
I don't know that the nostradamus prophecy was right, but the events of
9/11 certainly seem to fit as well as being profoundly momentous.
No, the WTC attack doesn't fit at all.
To reply by email, remove the XYZ.
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05 Oct 2003 04:43:59 AM |
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On Sun, 05 Oct 2003 01:08:59 -0000, Dennis Roark
<denro@NOSPsio.midco.net> either wrote or (if so marked) quoted:
DaarkSyde@home.com wrote in news:5lhtnvcrome5e7r5n97gvbbscb0ra9iqo1@
4ax.com:
On 3 Oct 2003 21:53:08 -0700, (World War
Three 2003) burped:
So U r basing this on the Nostradamus prophecy
"The sky will burn at 45 degrees" ?!?
"In the year of the new century and nine months,
from the sky will come a great King of Terror...
Nothing in the French says 'King of Terror'.
The sky will burn at forty-five degrees.
Fire approaches the great new city..."
This is an entirely different verse.
Y and how do U get "Yellowstone" out of this prophecy ?!?!?
==============================================================
Well it is now well past the new century and nine months. The sky is
still there, it hasn't burnt yet. Ready to give up on this prophecy
Since there is no year 0, could not the new century refer to the year
2001? And 9 months would be September. forty-five degrees and great
new city refer to New York. From the sky will come a King of Terror ..
the sky will burn .. could this not refer to the World Trade Center
strike on 9/11/01?
I don't know that the nostradamus prophecy was right, but the events of
9/11 certainly seem to fit as well as being profoundly momentous. The
world had never seen a firery destruction from the sky like that of the
twin towers.
FAQ re New York and Nostradamus (updated 1/9/2002):
Q. Did Nostradamus predict the attack of 11th September 2001 on New
York City?
A. No. He never mentions New York City at all. Nor 'York', for that
matter.
Q. But he mentions America, surely?
A. Only once -- at quatrain X.66, which you can check for yourself on
the websites listed below -- and even that is doubtful, since it seems
more than likely, on historical reference-grounds (to say nothing of
the rhyme-scheme), that 'd'Americh' at the end of line 1 should really
read 'dame erist.' (see below). Apart from that, he himself insists in
his covering letter to King Henri II that his prophecies are mainly
about Europe, North Africa and Asia Minor. Only two other of his
place-names fall outside that area.
Reference:
66. Original text of 1568 edition
Le chef de Londres par regne l’Americh,
L’isle d’Escosse tempiera par gellee:
Roy Reb auront un si faux antechrist,
Que les mettra trestous dans la meslee.
Read as modern French:
[de] dame erist[ique] [Gr. eristikos, disputé]
templera
En Roy rebelle
Qu’il
Through lady’s realm disputed, London’s lord
In icy winds shall rack the Scottish isle:
A rebel king and Antichrist abhorred
Shall draw them all into the fray awhile.
Source: The brutal military campaigns against Scotland mounted by King
Edward I of England (ever since known as the ‘Hammer of the Scots’),
which grew out of the power-vacuum that resulted when King Alexander
III of Scotland died and the kingdom fell to his granddaughter
Margaret (ever since known as the ‘Maid of Norway’), who herself died
on her way back to Scotland from Norway to claim her crown in 1290.
This was the same year when Edward notoriously expelled all the Jews
from England - which might explain why Nostradamus knew about it,
presumably from his family. The verse, in other words, has the
standard Nostradamian format of ‘omen plus corollary’: just as Edward
I mounted a brutal and ruinous invasion of Scotland as a consequence
of the premature ending of Margaret's reign - so causing King Robert
the Bruce eventually to embark on his famous counter-campaign as
recorded in Froissart’s Chroniques - so the rebellious Antichrist
(rebellious, this time, against the Word of God) will conduct an
equally brutal and ruinous invasion of Europe, as predicted by
Nostradamus’s prime source, the Mirabilis liber. Compare I.9, I.75,
II.24 for the invasion, and I.47, I.76, II.9 for the Antichrist. The
‘icy winds’, one imagines, simply reflect the warm Provençal
Nostradamus’s idea of what the weather away up there in snowy
Scotland’s ‘island’ must be like...
Q. But what about the famous 'Fire from the sky hitting the New City
at 45 degrees' prediction at VI.97?
A. New York City is not at 45 degrees latitude (it's all of 300 miles
to the south), and the 'New City' (Nostradamus never tires of playing
with the literal meanings of place-names) is far more likely to be
either Villeneuve-sur-Lot in France or Villanova d'Asti in Italy
('Villeneuve' and 'Villanova', like 'Naples', both *mean*
'new city') -- which ARE roughly at 45 degrees North. If, though,
Nostradamus was really thinking of 40 degrees 50' North, rather than
45 degrees 00' North , then he is clearly talking about Naples (Greek
'Neapolis' = New City), with the 'fire from the sky' the volcano of
nearby Mount Vesuvius. In this case, though, the first phrase would
have to be read as 'Cinq-[ante] et quar-ante degres...' (i.e. fif[ty
minutes] and forty degrees): see below.
Reference:
VI.97. Original September 1557 text
Cinq & quarante degrés ciel bruslera,
Feu approucher de la grand cité neufve,
Instant grand flamme esparse saultera,
Quant on voudra des Normans faire preuve.
Read as modern French:
Avec violence/véhémence
Latitude forty-five, the sky shall burn:
To great ‘New City’ shall the fire draw nigh.
With vehemence the flames shall spread and churn
When with the North conclusions they shall try.
Source: Once again, on the face of it, the Mirabilis liber’s gruesome
invasion-scenario: see I.9, I.75, II.24. The given latitude suggests
either Villanova d’Asti in northern Italy or Villeneuve-sur-Lot in
south-western France. On the other hand, the last line is more
reminiscent of the Norman invasions of southern Italy and Muslim
Sicily in the 11th century (see II.16) - but this would make
Nostradamus’s latitude incorrect, since the ‘New City’ would be Naples
(Greek Neapolis, ‘New City’), which lies at 40o 50' North, rather than
45o 00' North. However, line 1 could conceivably be intended to read
'Cinq- & quar-ante degrés' (i.e. 'fif[ty minutes] and 40 degrees),
which would be correct. Meanwhile the subject would instead be the
Mirabilis liber’s promised Western counter-invasion (see I.55), rather
than the original Muslim invasion itself, and the ‘fire from the sky’
would inevitably be an eruption of nearby Vesuvius that, in
Nostradamus’s view, is destined to mark it (compare I.87).
Q. But couldn't Nostradamus's 'Five and forty' simply mean '40.5'?
A. No. On no other occasion does Nostradamus use decimals -- even
though in his Almanachs he constantly deals with fractions of degrees
-- and they have never been expressed in this way in French. Besides,
the decimal point system had not yet been adopted in Europe at the
time.
Q. But what about all the Nostradamus quatrains that people keep
posting here?
A. Virtually all of them are either
(a) badly corrupt, and deliberately twisted to fit the events
(b) hopeless mistranslations, deliberately twisted to fit the
events, or
(c) pure inventions, and not by Nostradamus at all.
Q. What about "In the City of God there will be a great thunder, Two
brothers torn apart by Chaos, while the fortress endures, the great
leader will succumb", "The third big war will begin when the big city
is burning" - Nostradamus 1654." ?
A. None of this was written by Nostradamus -- and he would have been
... er... 150 years old in 1654! If you doubt it, ask whoever
sent it to you for the verse-number and/or the original French.
Q. What about "In the year of the new century and nine months, from
the sky will come a great king of terror...the sky will burn at 45
degrees. Fire approaches the great new city...In the city of york
there will be great collapse, twin brothers.Torn apart by chaos while
the fortresses fall, the great leader will succumb; the third big war
will come when the big city is burning."
A. It's a garbled mixture of carefully selected lines from two
different Nostradamus quatrains (X.72, which in the original doesn't
even mention a 'King of Terror' -- see third website listed below --
and is about *1999* [!!]); and VI.79 (see above) -- plus a bunch of
other lines that are not by Nostradamus at all.
Anybody can garble quotations like that -- even with the Bible...
Er... "And he went and hanged himself (Matthew 27:5). Go, and do thou
likewise (Luke 10:37)."
Q. How about: "Earth-shaking fire from the center of the earth.
Will cause the towers around the New City to shake,
Two great rocks for a long time will make war,
And then Arethusa will color a new river red. "
A. The original French verse says absolutely nothing about towers. The
expression 'autour de' is simply the French for 'around', and even 'au
tour de' [masculine], as printed, CANNOT have anything to do with the
French word for 'tower', which is feminine. A more reliable (and
artistic) translation of I.87 would read as per below. Line 3 is in
fact based on a French expression ('faire la guerre aux rochers' --
'to make war on the rocks') which simply means 'to struggle
fruitlessly'. 'Deux grands' means 'two nobles'.
Reference:
I.87. Original 1555 text
Ennosigée feu du centre de terre
Fera trembler au tour de cité neufve:
Deux grands rochiers long temps feront la guerre
Puis Arethusa rougira nouveau fleuve.
Read as modern French:
Poseidon [Gr. Ennosigaios, ‘ébranleur du sol’]
autour de Villeneuve/Cita Nova/Naples
Deux nobles ‘feront la guerre aux rochers’
Puis Arethuse [/] fera jaillir un nouveau fleuve rouge
Earth-shaking fires from the world’s centre roar:
Around ‘New City’ is the earth a-quiver.
Two nobles long shall wage a fruitless war,
The nymph of springs pour forth a new, red river.
Source: A so-far-unidentified account in the classical annals of one
of the nine known eruptions of Mount Vesuvius overlooking Naples
(Greek Neapolis = ‘New City’) following the one that destroyed Pompeii
in AD 79 - given that this produced mainly ash, rocks and pumice,
rather than the lava flow evidently described in the last line. The
last of these before Nostradamus’s time occurred in 1036. Julius
Obsequens (29) reports a similar eruption - though of Etna - in 126
BC: ‘Mount Etna, with an earthquake, sprayed forth fire from its
summit . . . ’. Like the ‘omens’ of 1554 (a two-headed kid, a
two-headed infant and the celebrated Salon meteorite), Nostradamus is
projecting the eruption into the future as an omen of an imminent
civil war that will, like the volcano, produce a ‘red river’, but this
time presumably of blood. Possibly, too, he is associating it with the
Mirabilis liber’s prediction of: ‘ . . . battles, tribulations,
bloodshed, earthquakes, cities in captivity.’ (Prophecy of the
Tiburtine Sibyl)
No obvious connection with New York, then!
Q. What about:
Garden of the world near the new city,
In the path of the hollow mountains,
It will be seized and plunged into the Vat,
Drinking by force the waters poisoned by
sulfur?
A. Relax. It's nothing to do with New York. The 'garden of the world'
is Eden, which means 'delight', which is 'plaisance' in French, which
is the name of a village on the road north from Villeneuve (= 'new
city')-sur-Lot to the Dordogne, with its caves and the village of
Aubeterre('Dawn of the World')-sur-Dronne, with its hollowed out
church and tombs...
All that the quatrain predicts is that someone ('he', not 'it') will
be immersed and poisoned at Plaisance - which of course lies in an
area that at one time was very familiar to Nostradamus during his time
at Agen.
This is one of Nostradamus's many obvious 'local' quatrains, in other
words. His horizons were a lot smaller than many people often give him
credit for. There is absolutely no excuse for imagining that all of
his predictions apply to huge world-events.
Reference:
X.49. Original text of 1568 edition
Jardin du monde au pres de cité neufve,
Dans le chemin des montaignes cavees,
Sera saisi & plongé dans la Cuve,
Beuvant par force eaux soulfre envenimees.
Read as modern French:
d'Eden [Héb. = plaisance]; Villeneuve
Il sera
Buvant; envenimées avec du soufre
Seized at ‘World’s Garden’, quite near ‘City New’,
Upon the road to th’ mountains dug out hollow,
In barrel plunged, he shall be made to swallow
Waters with sulphur poisoned through and through.
Source: Unknown, but clearly based on the Inquisition’s known methods
of assassinating suspected heretics at the time, as confirmed in
Nostradamus’s own correspondence for the early 1560s, and applied to
an unidentified victim at the village of Plaisance just north of
Villeneuve-sur-Lot, on the road to the Dordogne with its famous caves
- and especially, perhaps, the village of Aubeterre-sur-Dronne, with
its celebrated rock-hewn church and tombs.
Q. Can't I believe Erika Cheetham's book or Orson Welles's film, then?
A. No, unfortunately not, especially as the film is based directly -
and rather fancifully -- on the book. Erika performed a valuable
service in making some of the original French texts available
worldwide for the first time -- but, alas, her 16th century French
wasn't up to translating them reliably, and her credulity got in the
way of her interpreting them reliably.
Q. Is there to be no Antichrist with a blue turban, then, calling down
nuclear missiles on New York, as in the film?
A. Not if Nostradamus himself is to be believed. For him, the target
of the Antichrist was always going to be *Europe* -- and, moreover, he
would eventually be defeated. He also makes it quite clear in his 1566
Almanach that the 'Blue Turbans and 'White Turbans' are simply feuding
Muslim sects.
You can consult all the original verses for yourself at:
http://www.nostradamus-repository.org (includes original texts,
literal translations, search engine, FAQ, Nostradamus's curriculum
vitae and family-tree, and an illustrated tour of the seer's Provence)
http://go.to/prophecies (texts)
http://run.to/nostradamus (facsimiles of original editions)
http://www.propheties.it (huge amounts of information, facsimiles
etc.)
So... no, the world *isn't*, after all, in the grip of some grim
occult force to which only Nostradamus and the various nutters around
here have access!
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