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| User: "Dore" |
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| Title: Re: Real 9/11 film |
06 Mar 2005 10:37:42 PM |
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"Cardinal Chunder" <cc@foo.no.spam.xyzabcfghllaa.com> wrote in message
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Zak@home.com wrote:
http://www.911inplanesite.com/
Another drivel fueled site.
Another servant of the beast and government of Satanists, that refuse to
consider the mountains of evidence that proves that the US government
planned, orchestrated and implemented the 911 attacks.
--
Dore
www.dorewilliamson.com
"Cardinal Chunder" <cc@foo.no.spam.xyzabcfghllaa.com> wrote in message
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Zak@home.com wrote:
http://www.911inplanesite.com/
Another drivel fueled site.
The latest JREF commentary has an amusing quote that seems apt here.
"Fingunt simul creduntque"
"They make (it) up, and at the same time, they believe (it)."
I had to laugh at the headline that insinuates that one of the planes was
a military 767 when the alleged "pod" doesn't even correspond to the photo
of the military jet. Especially when it is quite obviously the wing
fairing.
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| User: "Cardinal Chunder" |
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| Title: Re: Real 9/11 film |
07 Mar 2005 03:05:21 AM |
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Dore wrote:
"Cardinal Chunder" <cc@foo.no.spam.xyzabcfghllaa.com> wrote in message
news:d0eugn1of9@news2.newsguy.com...
Zak@home.com wrote:
http://www.911inplanesite.com/
Another drivel fueled site.
Another servant of the beast and government of Satanists, that refuse to
consider the mountains of evidence that proves that the US government
planned, orchestrated and implemented the 911 attacks.
This "mountain of evidence" consists of konspiracy kooks poring over
artifacted jpegs, showing boundless incredulity, recycling Nth hand
information from *other* kook sites, and creating a chain of events so
ludicrous, so convoluted that it snaps on just about every link.
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| User: "Saint Zombie" |
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| Title: Re: Real 9/11 film |
08 Mar 2005 08:52:13 PM |
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On Mon, 07 Mar 2005 09:05:21 +0000, Cardinal Chunder
<cc@foo.no.spam.xyzabcfghllaa.com> wrote:
Dore wrote:
"Cardinal Chunder" <cc@foo.no.spam.xyzabcfghllaa.com> wrote in message
news:d0eugn1of9@news2.newsguy.com...
Zak@home.com wrote:
http://www.911inplanesite.com/
Another drivel fueled site.
Another servant of the beast and government of Satanists, that refuse to
consider the mountains of evidence that proves that the US government
planned, orchestrated and implemented the 911 attacks.
This "mountain of evidence" consists of konspiracy kooks poring over
artifacted jpegs, showing boundless incredulity, recycling Nth hand
information from *other* kook sites, and creating a chain of events so
ludicrous, so convoluted that it snaps on just about every link.
You mean like the fact flight 77 crashed, but no plane was found.
You mean like the fact flight 93 crashed, but no plane was found.
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| User: "tw" |
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| Title: Re: Real 9/11 film |
09 Mar 2005 04:51:49 AM |
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"Saint Zombie" <no.email@truth.org> wrote in message
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On Mon, 07 Mar 2005 09:05:21 +0000, Cardinal Chunder
<cc@foo.no.spam.xyzabcfghllaa.com> wrote:
Dore wrote:
"Cardinal Chunder" <cc@foo.no.spam.xyzabcfghllaa.com> wrote in message
news:d0eugn1of9@news2.newsguy.com...
Zak@home.com wrote:
http://www.911inplanesite.com/
Another drivel fueled site.
Another servant of the beast and government of Satanists, that refuse
to
consider the mountains of evidence that proves that the US government
planned, orchestrated and implemented the 911 attacks.
This "mountain of evidence" consists of konspiracy kooks poring over
artifacted jpegs, showing boundless incredulity, recycling Nth hand
information from *other* kook sites, and creating a chain of events so
ludicrous, so convoluted that it snaps on just about every link.
You mean like the fact flight 77 crashed, but no plane was found.
Rubbish. Plenty of pictures of obvious 757 wreckage all over the Pentagon
lawn.
You mean like the fact flight 93 crashed, but no plane was found.
Rubbish, again. Please provide a cite bakcing up your ridiculous claim
" A lie can get half-way round the world before the truth has even got its
trouser on" Winston Churchill
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| User: "Saint Zombie" |
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| Title: Re: Real 9/11 film |
09 Mar 2005 09:45:37 PM |
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On Wed, 9 Mar 2005 11:51:49 +0100, "tw" <no@no.com> wrote:
"Saint Zombie" <no.email@truth.org> wrote in message
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On Mon, 07 Mar 2005 09:05:21 +0000, Cardinal Chunder
<cc@foo.no.spam.xyzabcfghllaa.com> wrote:
Dore wrote:
"Cardinal Chunder" <cc@foo.no.spam.xyzabcfghllaa.com> wrote in message
news:d0eugn1of9@news2.newsguy.com...
Zak@home.com wrote:
http://www.911inplanesite.com/
Another drivel fueled site.
Another servant of the beast and government of Satanists, that refuse
to
consider the mountains of evidence that proves that the US government
planned, orchestrated and implemented the 911 attacks.
This "mountain of evidence" consists of konspiracy kooks poring over
artifacted jpegs, showing boundless incredulity, recycling Nth hand
information from *other* kook sites, and creating a chain of events so
ludicrous, so convoluted that it snaps on just about every link.
You mean like the fact flight 77 crashed, but no plane was found.
Rubbish. Plenty of pictures of obvious 757 wreckage all over the Pentagon
lawn.
You mean like where? ;-)
You mean like the fact flight 93 crashed, but no plane was found.
Rubbish, again. Please provide a cite bakcing up your ridiculous claim
" A lie can get half-way round the world before the truth has even got its
trouser on" Winston Churchill
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| User: "tw" |
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| Title: Re: Real 9/11 film |
10 Mar 2005 03:30:42 AM |
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"Saint Zombie" <no.email@truth.org> wrote in message
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On Wed, 9 Mar 2005 11:51:49 +0100, "tw" <no@no.com> wrote:
"Saint Zombie" <no.email@truth.org> wrote in message
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On Mon, 07 Mar 2005 09:05:21 +0000, Cardinal Chunder
<cc@foo.no.spam.xyzabcfghllaa.com> wrote:
Dore wrote:
"Cardinal Chunder" <cc@foo.no.spam.xyzabcfghllaa.com> wrote in
message
news:d0eugn1of9@news2.newsguy.com...
Zak@home.com wrote:
http://www.911inplanesite.com/
Another drivel fueled site.
Another servant of the beast and government of Satanists, that
refuse
to
consider the mountains of evidence that proves that the US
government
planned, orchestrated and implemented the 911 attacks.
This "mountain of evidence" consists of konspiracy kooks poring over
artifacted jpegs, showing boundless incredulity, recycling Nth hand
information from *other* kook sites, and creating a chain of events so
ludicrous, so convoluted that it snaps on just about every link.
You mean like the fact flight 77 crashed, but no plane was found.
Rubbish. Plenty of pictures of obvious 757 wreckage all over the Pentagon
lawn.
You mean like where? ;-)
What?
You mean like the fact flight 93 crashed, but no plane was found.
Rubbish, again. Please provide a cite bakcing up your ridiculous claim
" A lie can get half-way round the world before the truth has even got
its
trouser on" Winston Churchill
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| User: "MonsieurStat" |
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| Title: Re: Real 9/11 film |
09 Mar 2005 12:35:09 AM |
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Saint Zombie wrote:
On Mon, 07 Mar 2005 09:05:21 +0000, Cardinal Chunder
<cc@foo.no.spam.xyzabcfghllaa.com> wrote:
Dore wrote:
"Cardinal Chunder" <cc@foo.no.spam.xyzabcfghllaa.com> wrote in message
news:d0eugn1of9@news2.newsguy.com...
Zak@home.com wrote:
http://www.911inplanesite.com/
Another drivel fueled site.
Another servant of the beast and government of Satanists, that refuse to
consider the mountains of evidence that proves that the US government
planned, orchestrated and implemented the 911 attacks.
This "mountain of evidence" consists of konspiracy kooks poring over
artifacted jpegs, showing boundless incredulity, recycling Nth hand
information from *other* kook sites, and creating a chain of events so
ludicrous, so convoluted that it snaps on just about every link.
You mean like the fact flight 77 crashed, but no plane was found.
You mean like the fact flight 93 crashed, but no plane was found.
Passports and other belongings of terrorists were found nearby the crash
sites. This proves at least two things:
1. Those terrorists really hated America, to be littering like that just
before their doom.
2. There *were* windows on those planes. Or how else could they be
throwing objects out of the plane?
Stat.
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| User: "Saint Zombie" |
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| Title: Re: Real 9/11 film |
09 Mar 2005 09:49:25 PM |
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On Wed, 09 Mar 2005 01:35:09 -0500, MonsieurStat
<monsieurstat@gmail.com> wrote:
Saint Zombie wrote:
On Mon, 07 Mar 2005 09:05:21 +0000, Cardinal Chunder
<cc@foo.no.spam.xyzabcfghllaa.com> wrote:
Dore wrote:
"Cardinal Chunder" <cc@foo.no.spam.xyzabcfghllaa.com> wrote in message
news:d0eugn1of9@news2.newsguy.com...
Zak@home.com wrote:
http://www.911inplanesite.com/
Another drivel fueled site.
Another servant of the beast and government of Satanists, that refuse to
consider the mountains of evidence that proves that the US government
planned, orchestrated and implemented the 911 attacks.
This "mountain of evidence" consists of konspiracy kooks poring over
artifacted jpegs, showing boundless incredulity, recycling Nth hand
information from *other* kook sites, and creating a chain of events so
ludicrous, so convoluted that it snaps on just about every link.
You mean like the fact flight 77 crashed, but no plane was found.
You mean like the fact flight 93 crashed, but no plane was found.
Passports and other belongings of terrorists were found nearby the crash
sites. This proves at least two things:
1. Those terrorists really hated America, to be littering like that just
before their doom.
2. There *were* windows on those planes. Or how else could they be
throwing objects out of the plane?
Stat.
I guess that means those supposed people ...
... will also be charged for littering. ;-)
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| User: "Cardinal Chunder" |
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| Title: Re: Real 9/11 film |
09 Mar 2005 04:30:06 PM |
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Saint Zombie wrote:
On Mon, 07 Mar 2005 09:05:21 +0000, Cardinal Chunder
<cc@foo.no.spam.xyzabcfghllaa.com> wrote:
Dore wrote:
"Cardinal Chunder" <cc@foo.no.spam.xyzabcfghllaa.com> wrote in message
news:d0eugn1of9@news2.newsguy.com...
Zak@home.com wrote:
http://www.911inplanesite.com/
Another drivel fueled site.
Another servant of the beast and government of Satanists, that refuse to
consider the mountains of evidence that proves that the US government
planned, orchestrated and implemented the 911 attacks.
This "mountain of evidence" consists of konspiracy kooks poring over
artifacted jpegs, showing boundless incredulity, recycling Nth hand
information from *other* kook sites, and creating a chain of events so
ludicrous, so convoluted that it snaps on just about every link.
You mean like the fact flight 77 crashed, but no plane was found.
You mean like the fact flight 93 crashed, but no plane was found.
You mean like the fact that parts from all the planes have been found?
Moron.
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| User: "Saint Zombie" |
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| Title: Re: Real 9/11 film |
09 Mar 2005 09:44:19 PM |
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On Wed, 09 Mar 2005 22:30:06 +0000, Cardinal Chunder
<cc@foo.no.spam.xyzabcfghllaa.com> wrote:
Saint Zombie wrote:
On Mon, 07 Mar 2005 09:05:21 +0000, Cardinal Chunder
<cc@foo.no.spam.xyzabcfghllaa.com> wrote:
Dore wrote:
"Cardinal Chunder" <cc@foo.no.spam.xyzabcfghllaa.com> wrote in message
news:d0eugn1of9@news2.newsguy.com...
Zak@home.com wrote:
http://www.911inplanesite.com/
Another drivel fueled site.
Another servant of the beast and government of Satanists, that refuse to
consider the mountains of evidence that proves that the US government
planned, orchestrated and implemented the 911 attacks.
This "mountain of evidence" consists of konspiracy kooks poring over
artifacted jpegs, showing boundless incredulity, recycling Nth hand
information from *other* kook sites, and creating a chain of events so
ludicrous, so convoluted that it snaps on just about every link.
You mean like the fact flight 77 crashed, but no plane was found.
You mean like the fact flight 93 crashed, but no plane was found.
You mean like the fact that parts from all the planes have been found?
Moron.
You mean like you have seen those parts.
Gullible.
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| User: "Cardinal Chunder" |
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| Title: Re: Real 9/11 film |
10 Mar 2005 05:48:52 AM |
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Saint Zombie wrote:
On Wed, 09 Mar 2005 22:30:06 +0000, Cardinal Chunder
<cc@foo.no.spam.xyzabcfghllaa.com> wrote:
Saint Zombie wrote:
On Mon, 07 Mar 2005 09:05:21 +0000, Cardinal Chunder
<cc@foo.no.spam.xyzabcfghllaa.com> wrote:
Dore wrote:
"Cardinal Chunder" <cc@foo.no.spam.xyzabcfghllaa.com> wrote in message
news:d0eugn1of9@news2.newsguy.com...
Zak@home.com wrote:
http://www.911inplanesite.com/
Another drivel fueled site.
Another servant of the beast and government of Satanists, that refuse to
consider the mountains of evidence that proves that the US government
planned, orchestrated and implemented the 911 attacks.
This "mountain of evidence" consists of konspiracy kooks poring over
artifacted jpegs, showing boundless incredulity, recycling Nth hand
information from *other* kook sites, and creating a chain of events so
ludicrous, so convoluted that it snaps on just about every link.
You mean like the fact flight 77 crashed, but no plane was found.
You mean like the fact flight 93 crashed, but no plane was found.
You mean like the fact that parts from all the planes have been found?
Moron.
You mean like you have seen those parts.
Gullible.
No, not in person. Neither have I personally seen the Niagra Falls, the
Marianas Trench, a great white shark, the Dalai Lama, George Bush,
Atlanta, Jay Leno's Monster Truck, a tsunami, the Battle of Agincourt,
the moon Io, a dinosaur, or more than a tiny percentage of all the
people who are alive today which probably includes you.
Am I gullible to believe that they all exist? Would I be fucking stupid
to disbelieve they exist in the face of evidence that they do, be it
photographic, scientific, historic or whatever?
Just as it does for all of the WTC flights.
Of course I could cauterize the part of my brain that governs my common
sense and rationalize a kooky konspiracy, but no matter how addled I'd
become it wouldn't alter reality one jot. Those planes came down exactly
where they did.
Is the timeline of events ever going to be 100% clear? No.
Is there room for alternate explanations? Yes if the evidence supports it.
Does that mean we launch into a freeform konspiracy mode and just invent
a bunch of crap by ignoring certain evidence or in the absence of
evidence? No it doesn't.
The sooner you learn that that, the better you'll be for it.
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| User: "Saint Zombie" |
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| Title: Re: Real 9/11 film |
10 Mar 2005 08:12:40 PM |
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On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 11:48:52 +0000, Cardinal Chunder
<cc@foo.no.spam.xyzabcfghllaa.com> wrote:
No, not in person. Neither have I personally seen the Niagra Falls, the
Marianas Trench, a great white shark, the Dalai Lama, George Bush,
Atlanta, Jay Leno's Monster Truck, a tsunami, the Battle of Agincourt,
the moon Io, a dinosaur, or more than a tiny percentage of all the
people who are alive today which probably includes you.
You could have said just this: "No, not in person".
That would have been sufficient. :-)
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| User: "tw" |
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| Title: Re: Real 9/11 film |
11 Mar 2005 03:44:59 AM |
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"Saint Zombie" <no.email@truth.org> wrote in message
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On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 11:48:52 +0000, Cardinal Chunder
<cc@foo.no.spam.xyzabcfghllaa.com> wrote:
No, not in person. Neither have I personally seen the Niagra Falls, the
Marianas Trench, a great white shark, the Dalai Lama, George Bush,
Atlanta, Jay Leno's Monster Truck, a tsunami, the Battle of Agincourt,
the moon Io, a dinosaur, or more than a tiny percentage of all the
people who are alive today which probably includes you.
You could have said just this: "No, not in person".
That would have been sufficient. :-)
Not really, as the rest of his paragraph makes it just how clear how fucking
stupid your point was i nthe firstīplace, as does your cowradly snip of the
repst of teh post:
Am I gullible to believe that they all exist? Would I be fucking stupid
to disbelieve they exist in the face of evidence that they do, be it
photographic, scientific, historic or whatever?
Just as it does for all of the WTC flights.
Of course I could cauterize the part of my brain that governs my common
sense and rationalize a kooky konspiracy, but no matter how addled I'd
become it wouldn't alter reality one jot. Those planes came down exactly
where they did.
Is the timeline of events ever going to be 100% clear? No.
Is there room for alternate explanations? Yes if the evidence supports it.
Does that mean we launch into a freeform konspiracy mode and just invent
a bunch of crap by ignoring certain evidence or in the absence of
evidence? No it doesn't.
The sooner you learn that that, the better you'll be for it.
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| User: "Saint Zombie" |
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| Title: Re: Real 9/11 film |
11 Mar 2005 08:29:01 PM |
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On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 10:44:59 +0100, "tw" <no@no.com> wrote:
"Saint Zombie" <no.email@truth.org> wrote in message
news:7mv131hupfkauhgb2rntift7u6n58cmprs@4ax.com...
On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 11:48:52 +0000, Cardinal Chunder
<cc@foo.no.spam.xyzabcfghllaa.com> wrote:
No, not in person. Neither have I personally seen the Niagra Falls, the
Marianas Trench, a great white shark, the Dalai Lama, George Bush,
Atlanta, Jay Leno's Monster Truck, a tsunami, the Battle of Agincourt,
the moon Io, a dinosaur, or more than a tiny percentage of all the
people who are alive today which probably includes you.
You could have said just this: "No, not in person".
That would have been sufficient. :-)
Not really, as the rest of his paragraph makes it just how clear how fucking
stupid your point was i nthe firstīplace, as does your cowradly snip of the
repst of teh post:
Am I gullible to believe that they all exist? Would I be fucking stupid
to disbelieve they exist in the face of evidence that they do, be it
photographic, scientific, historic or whatever?
Just as it does for all of the WTC flights.
Of course I could cauterize the part of my brain that governs my common
sense and rationalize a kooky konspiracy, but no matter how addled I'd
become it wouldn't alter reality one jot. Those planes came down exactly
where they did.
Is the timeline of events ever going to be 100% clear? No.
Is there room for alternate explanations? Yes if the evidence supports it.
Does that mean we launch into a freeform konspiracy mode and just invent
a bunch of crap by ignoring certain evidence or in the absence of
evidence? No it doesn't.
The sooner you learn that that, the better you'll be for it.
In man's court of law, one is presumed innocent until proven guilty.
I would suggest you apply that same logic to 9/11.
Flight 77 and 93... no evidence found. Case closed. ;-)
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| User: "tw" |
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| Title: Re: Real 9/11 film |
14 Mar 2005 04:22:01 AM |
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"Saint Zombie" <no.email@truth.org> wrote in message
news:epk431dmt41oqeie2o1b7t0rebqpd7taju@4ax.com...
On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 10:44:59 +0100, "tw" <no@no.com> wrote:
"Saint Zombie" <no.email@truth.org> wrote in message
news:7mv131hupfkauhgb2rntift7u6n58cmprs@4ax.com...
On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 11:48:52 +0000, Cardinal Chunder
<cc@foo.no.spam.xyzabcfghllaa.com> wrote:
No, not in person. Neither have I personally seen the Niagra Falls,
the
Marianas Trench, a great white shark, the Dalai Lama, George Bush,
Atlanta, Jay Leno's Monster Truck, a tsunami, the Battle of Agincourt,
the moon Io, a dinosaur, or more than a tiny percentage of all the
people who are alive today which probably includes you.
You could have said just this: "No, not in person".
That would have been sufficient. :-)
Not really, as the rest of his paragraph makes it just how clear how
fucking
stupid your point was i nthe firstīplace, as does your cowradly snip of
the
repst of teh post:
Am I gullible to believe that they all exist? Would I be fucking stupid
to disbelieve they exist in the face of evidence that they do, be it
photographic, scientific, historic or whatever?
Just as it does for all of the WTC flights.
Of course I could cauterize the part of my brain that governs my common
sense and rationalize a kooky konspiracy, but no matter how addled I'd
become it wouldn't alter reality one jot. Those planes came down exactly
where they did.
Is the timeline of events ever going to be 100% clear? No.
Is there room for alternate explanations? Yes if the evidence supports
it.
Does that mean we launch into a freeform konspiracy mode and just invent
a bunch of crap by ignoring certain evidence or in the absence of
evidence? No it doesn't.
The sooner you learn that that, the better you'll be for it.
In man's court of law, one is presumed innocent until proven guilty.
I would suggest you apply that same logic to 9/11.
Flight 77 and 93... no evidence found.
Except for the massive amount of evidence found...
Case closed. ;-)
Mind closed, boarded up and left vacant long ago, in your case.
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| User: "Saint Zombie" |
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| Title: Re: Real 9/11 film |
15 Mar 2005 08:29:37 PM |
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On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 11:22:01 +0100, "tw" <no@no.com> wrote:
"Saint Zombie" <no.email@truth.org> wrote in message
news:epk431dmt41oqeie2o1b7t0rebqpd7taju@4ax.com...
On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 10:44:59 +0100, "tw" <no@no.com> wrote:
"Saint Zombie" <no.email@truth.org> wrote in message
news:7mv131hupfkauhgb2rntift7u6n58cmprs@4ax.com...
On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 11:48:52 +0000, Cardinal Chunder
<cc@foo.no.spam.xyzabcfghllaa.com> wrote:
No, not in person. Neither have I personally seen the Niagra Falls,
the
Marianas Trench, a great white shark, the Dalai Lama, George Bush,
Atlanta, Jay Leno's Monster Truck, a tsunami, the Battle of Agincourt,
the moon Io, a dinosaur, or more than a tiny percentage of all the
people who are alive today which probably includes you.
You could have said just this: "No, not in person".
That would have been sufficient. :-)
Not really, as the rest of his paragraph makes it just how clear how
fucking
stupid your point was i nthe firstīplace, as does your cowradly snip of
the
repst of teh post:
Am I gullible to believe that they all exist? Would I be fucking stupid
to disbelieve they exist in the face of evidence that they do, be it
photographic, scientific, historic or whatever?
Just as it does for all of the WTC flights.
Of course I could cauterize the part of my brain that governs my common
sense and rationalize a kooky konspiracy, but no matter how addled I'd
become it wouldn't alter reality one jot. Those planes came down exactly
where they did.
Is the timeline of events ever going to be 100% clear? No.
Is there room for alternate explanations? Yes if the evidence supports
it.
Does that mean we launch into a freeform konspiracy mode and just invent
a bunch of crap by ignoring certain evidence or in the absence of
evidence? No it doesn't.
The sooner you learn that that, the better you'll be for it.
In man's court of law, one is presumed innocent until proven guilty.
I would suggest you apply that same logic to 9/11.
Flight 77 and 93... no evidence found.
Except for the massive amount of evidence found...
Except for the fact that you can't show any evidence.
Case closed. ;-)
Mind closed, boarded up and left vacant long ago, in your case.
That would be true if you were able to provide evidence.
Unfortunately, the only evidence is your voice.
By the way, by any chance do work at the Pentagon? ;-)
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| User: "tw" |
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| Title: Re: Real 9/11 film |
16 Mar 2005 02:04:08 AM |
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"Saint Zombie" <no.email@truth.org> wrote in message
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On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 11:22:01 +0100, "tw" <no@no.com> wrote:
"Saint Zombie" <no.email@truth.org> wrote in message
news:epk431dmt41oqeie2o1b7t0rebqpd7taju@4ax.com...
On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 10:44:59 +0100, "tw" <no@no.com> wrote:
"Saint Zombie" <no.email@truth.org> wrote in message
news:7mv131hupfkauhgb2rntift7u6n58cmprs@4ax.com...
On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 11:48:52 +0000, Cardinal Chunder
<cc@foo.no.spam.xyzabcfghllaa.com> wrote:
No, not in person. Neither have I personally seen the Niagra Falls,
the
Marianas Trench, a great white shark, the Dalai Lama, George Bush,
Atlanta, Jay Leno's Monster Truck, a tsunami, the Battle of
Agincourt,
the moon Io, a dinosaur, or more than a tiny percentage of all the
people who are alive today which probably includes you.
You could have said just this: "No, not in person".
That would have been sufficient. :-)
Not really, as the rest of his paragraph makes it just how clear how
fucking
stupid your point was i nthe firstīplace, as does your cowradly snip
of
the
repst of teh post:
Am I gullible to believe that they all exist? Would I be fucking
stupid
to disbelieve they exist in the face of evidence that they do, be it
photographic, scientific, historic or whatever?
Just as it does for all of the WTC flights.
Of course I could cauterize the part of my brain that governs my
common
sense and rationalize a kooky konspiracy, but no matter how addled I'd
become it wouldn't alter reality one jot. Those planes came down
exactly
where they did.
Is the timeline of events ever going to be 100% clear? No.
Is there room for alternate explanations? Yes if the evidence supports
it.
Does that mean we launch into a freeform konspiracy mode and just
invent
a bunch of crap by ignoring certain evidence or in the absence of
evidence? No it doesn't.
The sooner you learn that that, the better you'll be for it.
In man's court of law, one is presumed innocent until proven guilty.
I would suggest you apply that same logic to 9/11.
Flight 77 and 93... no evidence found.
Except for the massive amount of evidence found...
Except for the fact that you can't show any evidence.
'course I can:
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/pages/911_pentagon_757_plane_evidence.html
Case closed. ;-)
Mind closed, boarded up and left vacant long ago, in your case.
That would be true if you were able to provide evidence.
Already done-
Unfortunately, the only evidence is your voice.
No, the only evidence is;
The thousands of witnesse that saw a 757 hit the Pentagon
The thousands of pictures of identifiable 757 wreckage strewn over the
Pentagon lawn
The multitude of emergency services personel who dealt with the aftermath
and saw bits of aircraft and people inside the pentagon.
The damage to the Pentgon which is consistent with it beinghit by a medium
sized airliner
The grieving friends and relatives of the passengers who died.
By the way, by any chance do work at the Pentagon? ;-)
By any chance do you work at all?
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| User: "Saint Zombie" |
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| Title: Re: Real 9/11 film |
16 Mar 2005 09:27:42 PM |
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On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 09:04:08 +0100, "tw" <no@no.com> wrote:
'course I can:
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/pages/911_pentagon_757_plane_evidence.html
You call that evidence?
No, the only evidence is;
The thousands of witnesse that saw a 757 hit the Pentagon
The thousands of pictures of identifiable 757 wreckage strewn over the
Pentagon lawn
The multitude of emergency services personel who dealt with the aftermath
and saw bits of aircraft and people inside the pentagon.
The damage to the Pentgon which is consistent with it beinghit by a medium
sized airliner
The grieving friends and relatives of the passengers who died.
You're a gullible one, aren't ya. ;-(
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| User: "Fredrick Garvin" |
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| Title: Re: Real 9/11 film |
17 Mar 2005 05:25:06 AM |
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On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 03:27:42 +0000, Saint Zombie expelled the following:
On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 09:04:08 +0100, "tw" <no@no.com> wrote:
'course I can:
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/pages/911_pentagon_757_plane_evidence.html
You call that evidence?
What are you an idiot? Never mind, dumb question I know.
I call it evidence but then again I'm not a conspiracy loon.
Tell me something Beavis, where did all those people who died go then if
it wasn't a plane?
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| User: "Saint Zombie" |
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| Title: Re: Real 9/11 film |
17 Mar 2005 10:29:44 PM |
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On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 11:25:06 GMT, Fredrick Garvin <Garv@elaborate.com>
wrote:
On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 03:27:42 +0000, Saint Zombie expelled the following:
On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 09:04:08 +0100, "tw" <no@no.com> wrote:
'course I can:
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/pages/911_pentagon_757_plane_evidence.html
You call that evidence?
What are you an idiot? Never mind, dumb question I know.
I call it evidence but then again I'm not a conspiracy loon.
In a court of law ...
.... the judge would probably laugh about that piece of "evidence".
Circumstantial is NOT evidence. Show me the photo's of plane parts.
You can't, can you. A multi-ton airplane just vanished into thin air.
Tell me something Beavis, where did all those people who died go then if
it wasn't a plane?
What people?
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| User: "tw" |
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| Title: Re: Real 9/11 film |
18 Mar 2005 02:17:34 AM |
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"Saint Zombie" <no.email@truth.org> wrote in message
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On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 11:25:06 GMT, Fredrick Garvin <Garv@elaborate.com>
wrote:
On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 03:27:42 +0000, Saint Zombie expelled the following:
On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 09:04:08 +0100, "tw" <no@no.com> wrote:
'course I can:
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/pages/911_pentagon_757_plane_evidence.html
You call that evidence?
What are you an idiot? Never mind, dumb question I know.
I call it evidence but then again I'm not a conspiracy loon.
In a court of law ...
... the judge would probably laugh about that piece of "evidence".
Circumstantial is NOT evidence. Show me the photo's of plane parts.
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/pages/911_pentagon_757_plane_evidence.html
You can't, can you. A multi-ton airplane just vanished into thin air.
No it didn't. Compare with any other crash photos you can find of an
aluminium aircraft impactingthe ground at several hundred knots.
Tell me something Beavis, where did all those people who died go then if
it wasn't a plane?
What people?
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| User: "Fredrick Garvin" |
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| Title: Re: Real 9/11 film |
18 Mar 2005 05:21:35 AM |
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On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 04:29:44 +0000, Saint Zombie expelled the following:
On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 11:25:06 GMT, Fredrick Garvin <Garv@elaborate.com>
wrote:
On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 03:27:42 +0000, Saint Zombie expelled the following:
On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 09:04:08 +0100, "tw" <no@no.com> wrote:
'course I can:
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/pages/911_pentagon_757_plane_evidence.html
You call that evidence?
What are you an idiot? Never mind, dumb question I know.
I call it evidence but then again I'm not a conspiracy loon.
In a court of law ...
... the judge would probably laugh about that piece of "evidence".
Circumstantial is NOT evidence. Show me the photo's of plane parts.
Did you go to that web site? PLENTY of plane parts.
You can't, can you. A multi-ton airplane just vanished into thin air.
In YOUR weak mind only.
Tell me something Beavis, where did all those people who died go then if
it wasn't a plane?
What people?
Your mom must be SO proud....
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| User: "Saint Zombie" |
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| Title: Re: Real 9/11 film |
18 Mar 2005 09:15:12 PM |
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On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 11:21:35 GMT, Fredrick Garvin <Garv@elaborate.com>
wrote:
On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 04:29:44 +0000, Saint Zombie expelled the following:
On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 11:25:06 GMT, Fredrick Garvin <Garv@elaborate.com>
wrote:
On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 03:27:42 +0000, Saint Zombie expelled the following:
On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 09:04:08 +0100, "tw" <no@no.com> wrote:
'course I can:
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/pages/911_pentagon_757_plane_evidence.html
You call that evidence?
What are you an idiot? Never mind, dumb question I know.
I call it evidence but then again I'm not a conspiracy loon.
In a court of law ...
... the judge would probably laugh about that piece of "evidence".
Circumstantial is NOT evidence. Show me the photo's of plane parts.
Did you go to that web site? PLENTY of plane parts.
You mean like tons of luggage and cargo and hundreds of dead bodies?
All I saw were parts. Parts that could belong to a missile "plane".
You can't, can you. A multi-ton airplane just vanished into thin air.
In YOUR weak mind only.
Do you believe in placing yourself above others has any benefit?
Tell me something Beavis, where did all those people who died go then if
it wasn't a plane?
What people?
Your mom must be SO proud....
Actually, it's the other way around. :-)
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| User: "tw" |
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| Title: Re: Real 9/11 film |
21 Mar 2005 04:22:55 AM |
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"Saint Zombie" <no.email@truth.org> wrote in message
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On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 11:21:35 GMT, Fredrick Garvin <Garv@elaborate.com>
wrote:
On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 04:29:44 +0000, Saint Zombie expelled the following:
On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 11:25:06 GMT, Fredrick Garvin <Garv@elaborate.com>
wrote:
On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 03:27:42 +0000, Saint Zombie expelled the
following:
On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 09:04:08 +0100, "tw" <no@no.com> wrote:
'course I can:
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/pages/911_pentagon_757_plane_evidence.htm
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You call that evidence?
What are you an idiot? Never mind, dumb question I know.
I call it evidence but then again I'm not a conspiracy loon.
In a court of law ...
... the judge would probably laugh about that piece of "evidence".
Circumstantial is NOT evidence. Show me the photo's of plane parts.
Did you go to that web site? PLENTY of plane parts.
You mean like tons of luggage and cargo and hundreds of dead bodies?
There weren't "hundreds" of people on the flight, doofus. Anyway, here's
another airliner which went in to the ground at several hundred knots
http://www.airdisaster.com/special/special-pa1771.shtml
Note how the first people on the scene saw
"nothing that resembled an airliner... we went on for hours, before we heard
the news reports of a missing airliner, believing that we were dealing with
a small airplane full of newspapers that had crashed. We saw no pieces of
the aircraft that were larger than, maybe, a human hand. It did not look
like a passenger aircraft." Note no "tons of luggage and cargo and hundreds
of dead bodies". So, what does this prove?
1) When airliners crash into solid objects at hundreds of knots, they don't
leave as much debris as the ignorant lay man might assume.
or
2) PSA 1771 was brought down by a government conspiracy as well. It was in
fact some sort of missile drone, the passengers were whisked off to a secret
facility and executed (by Jim Hoffa, while Elvis watched)
All I saw were parts. Parts that could belong to a missile "plane".
That's because you're a fucking idiot who doesn't know anything about
aviation. There is at least one picture of the compressor disc and
combustion chamber of an RB211. Now tell me which aircraft other than medium
sized commercial jets use large, high bypass turbofans like that?
You can't, can you. A multi-ton airplane just vanished into thin air.
In YOUR weak mind only.
Do you believe in placing yourself above others has any benefit?
In your case, it has the benefit of being true. A multi-ton aeroplane won't
leave much behind after smashing into a building at several hundred knots
and being consumed by a fuel fire. See earlier link.
Tell me something Beavis, where did all those people who died go then
if
it wasn't a plane?
What people?
Your mom must be SO proud....
Actually, it's the other way around. :-)
Nice dodge..you dumb *****.
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| User: "Cardinal Chunder" |
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| Title: Re: Real 9/11 film |
21 Mar 2005 11:01:33 AM |
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tw wrote:
"Saint Zombie" <no.email@truth.org> wrote in message
news:jf5n31l833lkvssgkvt6e83ojp9ectbqgg@4ax.com...
Your mom must be SO proud....
Actually, it's the other way around. :-)
Nice dodge..you dumb *****.
Like most konspiracy kooks they've painted themselves into a corner on
the circular grounds that the konspiracy doesn't work if the official
explanation is trustworthy.
Therefore all established facts such as pages of official reports,
testimony, reconstructions of the chain of events, security reviews,
photographic & video evidence, scientific analysis, criminal
investigation, eye witnesses and news reports must all be discounted.
All that is left is their own kooky explanations involving, missiles,
secret bases, a cast of thousands, Mossad, the Illuminati and other
unsubstantiated bollocks. Toss in gross stupidity, incredulity and
gullibility and you have the perfect kook. Impervious to common sense
and all forms of reason. Any attempt to point a kook at real evidence
makes you a paid disinformation agent.
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| User: "Saint Zombie" |
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| Title: Re: Real 9/11 film |
21 Mar 2005 09:45:20 PM |
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On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 17:01:33 +0000, Cardinal Chunder
<cc@foo.no.spam.xyzabcfghllaa.com> wrote:
tw wrote:
"Saint Zombie" <no.email@truth.org> wrote in message
news:jf5n31l833lkvssgkvt6e83ojp9ectbqgg@4ax.com...
Your mom must be SO proud....
Actually, it's the other way around. :-)
Nice dodge..you dumb *****.
Like most konspiracy kooks they've painted themselves into a corner on
the circular grounds that the konspiracy doesn't work if the official
explanation is trustworthy.
Therefore all established facts such as pages of official reports,
testimony, reconstructions of the chain of events, security reviews,
photographic & video evidence, scientific analysis, criminal
investigation, eye witnesses and news reports must all be discounted.
All that is left is their own kooky explanations involving, missiles,
secret bases, a cast of thousands, Mossad, the Illuminati and other
unsubstantiated bollocks. Toss in gross stupidity, incredulity and
gullibility and you have the perfect kook. Impervious to common sense
and all forms of reason. Any attempt to point a kook at real evidence
makes you a paid disinformation agent.
What is a "konspiracy kook"? Maybe you need to look in the mirror. ;-)
The facts are not konspiracy. Those same which you have not provided.
I am still waiting for the facts which none of you have provided, yet.
A "konspiracy kook" is someone that provides circumstantial evidence.
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| User: "tw" |
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| Title: Re: Real 9/11 film |
22 Mar 2005 01:48:52 AM |
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"Saint Zombie" <no.email@truth.org> wrote in message
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On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 17:01:33 +0000, Cardinal Chunder
<cc@foo.no.spam.xyzabcfghllaa.com> wrote:
tw wrote:
"Saint Zombie" <no.email@truth.org> wrote in message
news:jf5n31l833lkvssgkvt6e83ojp9ectbqgg@4ax.com...
Your mom must be SO proud....
Actually, it's the other way around. :-)
Nice dodge..you dumb *****.
Like most konspiracy kooks they've painted themselves into a corner on
the circular grounds that the konspiracy doesn't work if the official
explanation is trustworthy.
Therefore all established facts such as pages of official reports,
testimony, reconstructions of the chain of events, security reviews,
photographic & video evidence, scientific analysis, criminal
investigation, eye witnesses and news reports must all be discounted.
All that is left is their own kooky explanations involving, missiles,
secret bases, a cast of thousands, Mossad, the Illuminati and other
unsubstantiated bollocks. Toss in gross stupidity, incredulity and
gullibility and you have the perfect kook. Impervious to common sense
and all forms of reason. Any attempt to point a kook at real evidence
makes you a paid disinformation agent.
What is a "konspiracy kook"?
You, apparently.
Maybe you need to look in the mirror. ;-)
The facts are not konspiracy.
...and what facts are those?
Those same which you have not provided.
FACT: Aircraft leave a lot less wreckage than the uneducated layman might
assume
http://www.airdisaster.com/special/special-pa1771.shtml
"nothing that resembled an airliner... we went on for hours, before we heard
the news reports of a missing airliner, believing that we were dealing with
a small airplane full of newspapers that had crashed. We saw no pieces of
the aircraft that were larger than, maybe, a human hand. It did not look
like a passenger aircraft."
FACT - parts of a 757 engine are clearly visible in the wrekage photos
"There is at least one picture of the compressor disc and
combustion chamber of an RB211. Now tell me which aircraft other than medium
sized commercial jets use large, high bypass turbofans like that?"
I am still waiting for the facts which none of you have provided, yet.
See above.
A "konspiracy kook" is someone that provides circumstantial evidence.
...and you haven't even provided that, kook.
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| User: "Saint Zombie" |
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22 Mar 2005 09:59:09 PM |
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On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 08:48:52 +0100, "tw" <no@no.com> wrote:
"Saint Zombie" <no.email@truth.org> wrote in message
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On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 17:01:33 +0000, Cardinal Chunder
<cc@foo.no.spam.xyzabcfghllaa.com> wrote:
tw wrote:
"Saint Zombie" <no.email@truth.org> wrote in message
news:jf5n31l833lkvssgkvt6e83ojp9ectbqgg@4ax.com...
Your mom must be SO proud....
Actually, it's the other way around. :-)
Nice dodge..you dumb *****.
Like most konspiracy kooks they've painted themselves into a corner on
the circular grounds that the konspiracy doesn't work if the official
explanation is trustworthy.
Therefore all established facts such as pages of official reports,
testimony, reconstructions of the chain of events, security reviews,
photographic & video evidence, scientific analysis, criminal
investigation, eye witnesses and news reports must all be discounted.
All that is left is their own kooky explanations involving, missiles,
secret bases, a cast of thousands, Mossad, the Illuminati and other
unsubstantiated bollocks. Toss in gross stupidity, incredulity and
gullibility and you have the perfect kook. Impervious to common sense
and all forms of reason. Any attempt to point a kook at real evidence
makes you a paid disinformation agent.
What is a "konspiracy kook"?
You, apparently.
Maybe you need to look in the mirror. ;-)
The facts are not konspiracy.
..and what facts are those?
Those same which you have not provided.
FACT: Aircraft leave a lot less wreckage than the uneducated layman might
assume
http://www.airdisaster.com/special/special-pa1771.shtml
"nothing that resembled an airliner... we went on for hours, before we heard
the news reports of a missing airliner, believing that we were dealing with
a small airplane full of newspapers that had crashed. We saw no pieces of
the aircraft that were larger than, maybe, a human hand. It did not look
like a passenger aircraft."
FACT - parts of a 757 engine are clearly visible in the wrekage photos
Lets assume I am a court judge. Can I determine a case of some parts?
"There is at least one picture of the compressor disc and
combustion chamber of an RB211. Now tell me which aircraft other than medium
sized commercial jets use large, high bypass turbofans like that?"
Perhaps a military propelled rocket.
I am still waiting for the facts which none of you have provided, yet.
See above.
Where is the bodies and luggage... and several tons of cargo?
Show me the photo's of that.
A "konspiracy kook" is someone that provides circumstantial evidence.
..and you haven't even provided that, kook.
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| User: "tw" |
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| Title: Re: Real 9/11 film |
23 Mar 2005 02:17:47 AM |
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"Saint Zombie" <no.email@truth.org> wrote in message
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On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 08:48:52 +0100, "tw" <no@no.com> wrote:
"Saint Zombie" <no.email@truth.org> wrote in message
news:tp4v31dldh3o381gtsqb854ndbdfsbdm6t@4ax.com...
On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 17:01:33 +0000, Cardinal Chunder
<cc@foo.no.spam.xyzabcfghllaa.com> wrote:
tw wrote:
"Saint Zombie" <no.email@truth.org> wrote in message
news:jf5n31l833lkvssgkvt6e83ojp9ectbqgg@4ax.com...
Your mom must be SO proud....
Actually, it's the other way around. :-)
Nice dodge..you dumb *****.
Like most konspiracy kooks they've painted themselves into a corner on
the circular grounds that the konspiracy doesn't work if the official
explanation is trustworthy.
Therefore all established facts such as pages of official reports,
testimony, reconstructions of the chain of events, security reviews,
photographic & video evidence, scientific analysis, criminal
investigation, eye witnesses and news reports must all be discounted.
All that is left is their own kooky explanations involving, missiles,
secret bases, a cast of thousands, Mossad, the Illuminati and other
unsubstantiated bollocks. Toss in gross stupidity, incredulity and
gullibility and you have the perfect kook. Impervious to common sense
and all forms of reason. Any attempt to point a kook at real evidence
makes you a paid disinformation agent.
What is a "konspiracy kook"?
You, apparently.
Maybe you need to look in the mirror. ;-)
The facts are not konspiracy.
..and what facts are those?
Those same which you have not provided.
FACT: Aircraft leave a lot less wreckage than the uneducated layman might
assume
http://www.airdisaster.com/special/special-pa1771.shtml
"nothing that resembled an airliner... we went on for hours, before we
heard
the news reports of a missing airliner, believing that we were dealing
with
a small airplane full of newspapers that had crashed. We saw no pieces of
the aircraft that were larger than, maybe, a human hand. It did not look
like a passenger aircraft."
FACT - parts of a 757 engine are clearly visible in the wrekage photos
Lets assume I am a court judge. Can I determine a case of some parts?
"There is at least one picture of the compressor disc and
combustion chamber of an RB211. Now tell me which aircraft other than
medium
sized commercial jets use large, high bypass turbofans like that?"
Perhaps a military propelled rocket.
Rockets use rocket engines, that's why they're called rockets, dimbulb.
So, you can't name a suitable aircraft that could have been used that is
powered by RB211 engines. Now then, have you heard of Occam's razor
I am still waiting for the facts which none of you have provided, yet.
See above.
Where is the bodies and luggage... and several tons of cargo?`
Already answered
FACT: Aircraft leave a lot less wreckage than the uneducated layman might
assume
http://www.airdisaster.com/special/special-pa1771.shtml
"nothing that resembled an airliner... we went on for hours, before we heard
the news reports of a missing airliner, believing that we were dealing with
a small airplane full of newspapers that had crashed. We saw no pieces of
the aircraft that were larger than, maybe, a human hand. It did not look
like a passenger aircraft."
Show me the photo's of that.
See above.
A "konspiracy kook" is someone that provides circumstantial evidence.
..and you haven't even provided that, kook.
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