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'Divine mission' driving Iran's new leader
By Anton La Guardia
(Filed: 14/01/2006)
As Iran rushes towards confrontation with the world over its nuclear
programme, the question uppermost in the mind of western leaders is "What
is moving its President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad to such recklessness?"
Political analysts point to the fact that Iran feels strong because of
high oil prices, while America has been weakened by the insurgency in
Iraq.
But listen carefully to the utterances of Mr Ahmadinejad - recently
described by President George W Bush as an "odd man" - and there is
another dimension, a religious messianism that, some suspect, is giving
the Iranian leader a dangerous sense of divine mission.
In November, the country was startled by a video showing Mr Ahmadinejad
telling a cleric that he had felt the hand of God entrancing world leaders
as he delivered a speech to the UN General Assembly last September.
When an aircraft crashed in Teheran last month, killing 108 people, Mr
Ahmadinejad promised an investigation. But he also thanked the dead,
saying: "What is important is that they have shown the way to martyrdom
which we must follow."
The most remarkable aspect of Mr Ahmadinejad's piety is his devotion to
the Hidden Imam, the Messiah-like figure of Shia Islam, and the
president's belief that his government must prepare the country for his
return.
One of the first acts of Mr Ahmadinejad's government was to donate about
£10 million to the Jamkaran mosque, a popular pilgrimage site where the
pious come to drop messages to the Hidden Imam into a holy well.
All streams of Islam believe in a divine saviour, known as the Mahdi, who
will appear at the End of Days. A common rumour - denied by the government
but widely believed - is that Mr Ahmadinejad and his cabinet have signed a
"contract" pledging themselves to work for the return of the Mahdi and
sent it to Jamkaran.
Iran's dominant "Twelver" sect believes this will be Mohammed ibn Hasan,
regarded as the 12th Imam, or righteous descendant of the Prophet
Mohammad.
He is said to have gone into "occlusion" in the ninth century, at the age
of five. His return will be preceded by cosmic chaos, war and bloodshed.
After a cataclysmic confrontation with evil and darkness, the Mahdi will
lead the world to an era of universal peace.
This is similar to the Christian vision of the Apocalypse. Indeed, the
Hidden Imam is expected to return in the company of Jesus.
Mr Ahmadinejad appears to believe that these events are close at hand and
that ordinary mortals can influence the divine timetable.
The prospect of such a man obtaining nuclear weapons is worrying. The
unspoken question is this: is Mr Ahmadinejad now tempting a clash with the
West because he feels safe in the belief of the imminent return of the
Hidden Imam? Worse, might he be trying to provoke chaos in the hope of
hastening his reappearance?
The 49-year-old Mr Ahmadinejad, a former top engineering student, member
of the Revolutionary Guards and mayor of Teheran, overturned Iranian
politics after unexpectedly winning last June's presidential elections.
The main rift is no longer between "reformists" and "hardliners", but
between the clerical establishment and Mr Ahmadinejad's brand of
revolutionary populism and superstition.
Its most remarkable manifestation came with Mr Ahmadinejad's international
debut, his speech to the United Nations.
World leaders had expected a conciliatory proposal to defuse the nuclear
crisis after Teheran had restarted another part of its nuclear programme
in August.
Instead, they heard the president speak in apocalyptic terms of Iran
struggling against an evil West that sought to promote "state terrorism",
impose "the logic of the dark ages" and divide the world into "light and
dark countries".
The speech ended with the messianic appeal to God to "hasten the emergence
of your last repository, the Promised One, that perfect and pure human
being, the one that will fill this world with justice and peace".
In a video distributed by an Iranian web site in November, Mr Ahmadinejad
described how one of his Iranian colleagues had claimed to have seen a
glow of light around the president as he began his speech to the UN.
"I felt it myself too," Mr Ahmadinejad recounts. "I felt that all of a
sudden the atmosphere changed there. And for 27-28 minutes all the leaders
did not blink.It's not an exaggeration, because I was looking.
"They were astonished, as if a hand held them there and made them sit. It
had opened their eyes and ears for the message of the Islamic Republic."
Western officials said the real reason for any open-eyed stares from
delegates was that "they couldn't believe what they were hearing from
Ahmadinejad".
Their sneaking suspicion is that Iran's president actually relishes a
clash with the West in the conviction that it would rekindle the spirit of
the Islamic revolution and - who knows - speed up the arrival of the
Hidden Imam.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/01/14/wiran14.xml&sSheet=/news/2006/01/14/ixworld.html
This shocking article comes from a reputable online newspaper. I don't
know what to think. If this report is true, and considering the extremist
politico-religious nutcases in power over here, we could be in for truly
hellacious times ahead.
Yikes!
Doc
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17 Jan 2006 04:56:47 AM |
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Doc skrev:
'Divine mission' driving Iran's new leader
By Anton La Guardia
(Filed: 14/01/2006)
As Iran rushes towards confrontation with the world over its nuclear
programme, the question uppermost in the mind of western leaders is "What
is moving its President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad to such recklessness?"
Political analysts point to the fact that Iran feels strong because of
high oil prices, while America has been weakened by the insurgency in
Iraq.
But listen carefully to the utterances of Mr Ahmadinejad - recently
described by President George W Bush as an "odd man" - and there is
another dimension, a religious messianism that, some suspect, is giving
the Iranian leader a dangerous sense of divine mission.
In November, the country was startled by a video showing Mr Ahmadinejad
telling a cleric that he had felt the hand of God entrancing world leaders
as he delivered a speech to the UN General Assembly last September.
When an aircraft crashed in Teheran last month, killing 108 people, Mr
Ahmadinejad promised an investigation. But he also thanked the dead,
saying: "What is important is that they have shown the way to martyrdom
which we must follow."
The most remarkable aspect of Mr Ahmadinejad's piety is his devotion to
the Hidden Imam, the Messiah-like figure of Shia Islam, and the
president's belief that his government must prepare the country for his
return.
One of the first acts of Mr Ahmadinejad's government was to donate about
=A310 million to the Jamkaran mosque, a popular pilgrimage site where the
pious come to drop messages to the Hidden Imam into a holy well.
All streams of Islam believe in a divine saviour, known as the Mahdi, who
will appear at the End of Days. A common rumour - denied by the government
but widely believed - is that Mr Ahmadinejad and his cabinet have signed a
"contract" pledging themselves to work for the return of the Mahdi and
sent it to Jamkaran.
Iran's dominant "Twelver" sect believes this will be Mohammed ibn Hasan,
regarded as the 12th Imam, or righteous descendant of the Prophet
Mohammad.
He is said to have gone into "occlusion" in the ninth century, at the age
of five. His return will be preceded by cosmic chaos, war and bloodshed.
After a cataclysmic confrontation with evil and darkness, the Mahdi will
lead the world to an era of universal peace.
This is similar to the Christian vision of the Apocalypse. Indeed, the
Hidden Imam is expected to return in the company of Jesus.
Mr Ahmadinejad appears to believe that these events are close at hand and
that ordinary mortals can influence the divine timetable.
The prospect of such a man obtaining nuclear weapons is worrying. The
unspoken question is this: is Mr Ahmadinejad now tempting a clash with the
West because he feels safe in the belief of the imminent return of the
Hidden Imam? Worse, might he be trying to provoke chaos in the hope of
hastening his reappearance?
The 49-year-old Mr Ahmadinejad, a former top engineering student, member
of the Revolutionary Guards and mayor of Teheran, overturned Iranian
politics after unexpectedly winning last June's presidential elections.
The main rift is no longer between "reformists" and "hardliners", but
between the clerical establishment and Mr Ahmadinejad's brand of
revolutionary populism and superstition.
Its most remarkable manifestation came with Mr Ahmadinejad's international
debut, his speech to the United Nations.
World leaders had expected a conciliatory proposal to defuse the nuclear
crisis after Teheran had restarted another part of its nuclear programme
in August.
Instead, they heard the president speak in apocalyptic terms of Iran
struggling against an evil West that sought to promote "state terrorism",
impose "the logic of the dark ages" and divide the world into "light and
dark countries".
The speech ended with the messianic appeal to God to "hasten the emergence
of your last repository, the Promised One, that perfect and pure human
being, the one that will fill this world with justice and peace".
In a video distributed by an Iranian web site in November, Mr Ahmadinejad
described how one of his Iranian colleagues had claimed to have seen a
glow of light around the president as he began his speech to the UN.
"I felt it myself too," Mr Ahmadinejad recounts. "I felt that all of a
sudden the atmosphere changed there. And for 27-28 minutes all the leaders
did not blink.It's not an exaggeration, because I was looking.
"They were astonished, as if a hand held them there and made them sit. It
had opened their eyes and ears for the message of the Islamic Republic."
Western officials said the real reason for any open-eyed stares from
delegates was that "they couldn't believe what they were hearing from
Ahmadinejad".
Their sneaking suspicion is that Iran's president actually relishes a
clash with the West in the conviction that it would rekindle the spirit of
the Islamic revolution and - who knows - speed up the arrival of the
Hidden Imam.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=3D/news/2006/01/14/wiran14=
..xml&sSheet=3D/news/2006/01/14/ixworld.html
This shocking article comes from a reputable online newspaper. I don't
know what to think. If this report is true, and considering the extremist
politico-religious nutcases in power over here, we could be in for truly
hellacious times ahead.
Yikes!
=20
Doc
..=2E.and in the blue corner...the American monkey!
WH
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16 Jan 2006 10:57:06 PM |
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Scary indeed !
yes siree yes indeedy deedy deedy deedy deedily do !!!!
(& a FRICK yeah thrown in for good measure ;-)
I like the man !!!!!!!
It's good to see someone *FINALLY* stick it up to those parasitic,
phallus-worshipping, land-thieving, fence-building, murderous, greedy,
selfish, ungrateful, self-centered, inbred, devious, conniving,
scheming, manipulative, vile, repugnant, putrifying wailing wall
headbangers.....
Even if he iz nutso, he's a good man !!!!
HOOROO
UNCLE WALLY
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17 Jan 2006 08:55:57 AM |
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"FRICK yeahT ?" <stargatedecember2012@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
news:1137473826.497244.109870@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Scary indeed !
yes siree yes indeedy deedy deedy deedy deedily do !!!!
(& a FRICK yeah thrown in for good measure ;-)
I like the man !!!!!!!
It's good to see someone *FINALLY* stick it up to those parasitic,
phallus-worshipping, land-thieving, fence-building, murderous, greedy,
selfish, ungrateful, self-centered, inbred, devious, conniving,
scheming, manipulative, vile, repugnant, putrifying wailing wall
headbangers.....
All you people who accuse me of racism, please read the above description of
Jews.
Jane
Even if he iz nutso, he's a good man !!!!
HOOROO
UNCLE WALLY
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17 Jan 2006 02:32:55 PM |
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Jane wrote:
"FRICK yeahT ?" <stargatedecember2012@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
news:1137473826.497244.109870@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Scary indeed !
yes siree yes indeedy deedy deedy deedy deedily do !!!!
(& a FRICK yeah thrown in for good measure ;-)
I like the man !!!!!!!
It's good to see someone *FINALLY* stick it up to those parasitic,
phallus-worshipping, land-thieving, fence-building, murderous, greedy,
selfish, ungrateful, self-centered, inbred, devious, conniving,
scheming, manipulative, vile, repugnant, putrifying wailing wall
headbangers.....
All you people who accuse me of racism, please read the above description of
Jews.
And the various Jew haters who accuse you (and me) of racism are
reading that description of Jews, nodding their heads all the while,
and they're a bit befuddled as they think: "So what's your point,
Jane?"
I have never seen you write anything even remotely like that garbage
about any group. Yet that particular writer always gets a free pass
from the other Jew haters on this group. Meanwhile, you and I are
routinely attacked for voicing our concerns, not about any particular
race, but about a *culture* that honors death, represses women (i.e.
fundamentalist murderous terrorists, honor killings, Taliban style
Sharia law, etc), with a grandiose plan to replace Western cultures
with its own culture (Sharia) no matter how long it takes.
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| User: "Jane" |
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17 Jan 2006 10:20:36 PM |
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"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1137529975.614120.78470@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Jane wrote:
"FRICK yeahT ?" <stargatedecember2012@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
news:1137473826.497244.109870@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Scary indeed !
yes siree yes indeedy deedy deedy deedy deedily do !!!!
(& a FRICK yeah thrown in for good measure ;-)
I like the man !!!!!!!
It's good to see someone *FINALLY* stick it up to those parasitic,
phallus-worshipping, land-thieving, fence-building, murderous, greedy,
selfish, ungrateful, self-centered, inbred, devious, conniving,
scheming, manipulative, vile, repugnant, putrifying wailing wall
headbangers.....
All you people who accuse me of racism, please read the above description
of
Jews.
And the various Jew haters who accuse you (and me) of racism are
reading that description of Jews, nodding their heads all the while,
and they're a bit befuddled as they think: "So what's your point,
Jane?"
Yep! Woods thought he was describing Americans! If nothing else, the
reference to the wailing wall gives it away. Besides, you can find other
anti-Semitic remarks in Uncle Wally's posts; only tw has ever questioned him
on it.
I have never seen you write anything even remotely like that garbage
about any group. Yet that particular writer always gets a free pass
from the other Jew haters on this group. Meanwhile, you and I are
routinely attacked for voicing our concerns, not about any particular
race, but about a *culture* that honors death, represses women (i.e.
fundamentalist murderous terrorists, honor killings, Taliban style
Sharia law, etc), with a grandiose plan to replace Western cultures
with its own culture (Sharia) no matter how long it takes.
Amen to that!
Jane
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18 Jan 2006 03:42:06 PM |
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Jane wrote:
"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1137529975.614120.78470@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Jane wrote:
"FRICK yeahT ?" <stargatedecember2012@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
news:1137473826.497244.109870@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Scary indeed !
yes siree yes indeedy deedy deedy deedy deedily do !!!!
(& a FRICK yeah thrown in for good measure ;-)
I like the man !!!!!!!
It's good to see someone *FINALLY* stick it up to those parasitic,
phallus-worshipping, land-thieving, fence-building, murderous, greedy,
selfish, ungrateful, self-centered, inbred, devious, conniving,
scheming, manipulative, vile, repugnant, putrifying wailing wall
headbangers.....
All you people who accuse me of racism, please read the above description
of
Jews.
And the various Jew haters who accuse you (and me) of racism are
reading that description of Jews, nodding their heads all the while,
and they're a bit befuddled as they think: "So what's your point,
Jane?"
Yep! Woods thought he was describing Americans!
It just shows the mentality of today's American leftists. Their hatred
for Israel is only surpassed by their hatred for their own country.
If nothing else, the reference to the wailing wall gives it away.
Besides, you can find other anti-Semitic remarks in Uncle
Wally's posts;
Yes -- it is absolutely, clearly, and transparently obvious how he
feels about Jews.
only tw has ever questioned him on it.
I must have missed that. What was the response, if any?
I have never seen you write anything even remotely like that garbage
about any group. Yet that particular writer always gets a free pass
from the other Jew haters on this group. Meanwhile, you and I are
routinely attacked for voicing our concerns, not about any particular
race, but about a *culture* that honors death, represses women (i.e.
fundamentalist murderous terrorists, honor killings, Taliban style
Sharia law, etc), with a grandiose plan to replace Western cultures
with its own culture (Sharia) no matter how long it takes.
Amen to that!
Did you see the article I posted by Canadian columnist Mark Steyn, in
the thread titled "A Prophesy?"
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| User: "Jane" |
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18 Jan 2006 10:24:22 PM |
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"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1137620526.335706.283650@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Jane wrote:
"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1137529975.614120.78470@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Jane wrote:
"FRICK yeahT ?" <stargatedecember2012@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
news:1137473826.497244.109870@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Scary indeed !
yes siree yes indeedy deedy deedy deedy deedily do !!!!
(& a FRICK yeah thrown in for good measure ;-)
I like the man !!!!!!!
It's good to see someone *FINALLY* stick it up to those parasitic,
phallus-worshipping, land-thieving, fence-building, murderous,
greedy,
selfish, ungrateful, self-centered, inbred, devious, conniving,
scheming, manipulative, vile, repugnant, putrifying wailing wall
headbangers.....
All you people who accuse me of racism, please read the above
description
of
Jews.
And the various Jew haters who accuse you (and me) of racism are
reading that description of Jews, nodding their heads all the while,
and they're a bit befuddled as they think: "So what's your point,
Jane?"
Yep! Woods thought he was describing Americans!
It just shows the mentality of today's American leftists. Their hatred
for Israel is only surpassed by their hatred for their own country.
If nothing else, the reference to the wailing wall gives it away.
Besides, you can find other anti-Semitic remarks in Uncle
Wally's posts;
Yes -- it is absolutely, clearly, and transparently obvious how he
feels about Jews.
only tw has ever questioned him on it.
I must have missed that. What was the response, if any?
No response. Wally made a comment about Jews; tw answered something like "I
didn't take you for a racist". I tried to find the thread just know at
Google, but no luck. Who knows what nic Wally was using!
Jane
I have never seen you write anything even remotely like that garbage
about any group. Yet that particular writer always gets a free pass
from the other Jew haters on this group. Meanwhile, you and I are
routinely attacked for voicing our concerns, not about any particular
race, but about a *culture* that honors death, represses women (i.e.
fundamentalist murderous terrorists, honor killings, Taliban style
Sharia law, etc), with a grandiose plan to replace Western cultures
with its own culture (Sharia) no matter how long it takes.
Amen to that!
Did you see the article I posted by Canadian columnist Mark Steyn, in
the thread titled "A Prophesy?"
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| User: "Jane" |
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19 Jan 2006 06:16:48 AM |
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<snip>>
No response. Wally made a comment about Jews; tw answered something like
"I didn't take you for a racist". I tried to find the thread just know at
Google, but no luck. Who knows what nic Wally was using!
Obviously, that should be "just now". I wrote that reply quickly after work
last night...It is interesting how the main point of my post was
side-stepped, as usual (I have flagged anti-Jewish remarks from Wally
before, to gauge reaction; there was none). I suppose for *some* posters,
anti-Israel sentiments are masking something far more insidious. It seems
that Uncle Wally=liberal=anti-Israel=Good whilst
Jane=conservative=pro-Israel=Bad. Therefore, my every remark about
fundementalist Islam is taken as racism (in truth, I don't care if you are
purple and worship tree frogs, providing you are not trying to impose your
faith on the rest of the world), whilst Wally spews viriol about Jews and
skates.
Even if it *was* about Americans, why is that okay? Unless one is, dare I
say it, self-loathing.
I will give Wally (and Grantland, for that matter) one thing. They are
honest.
Jane
Jane
<snip>
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19 Jan 2006 04:58:47 PM |
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Jane wrote:
<snip>>
No response. Wally made a comment about Jews; tw answered something like
"I didn't take you for a racist". I tried to find the thread just know at
Google, but no luck. Who knows what nic Wally was using!
Obviously, that should be "just now". I wrote that reply quickly after work
last night...It is interesting how the main point of my post was
side-stepped, as usual (I have flagged anti-Jewish remarks from Wally
before, to gauge reaction; there was none). I suppose for *some* posters,
anti-Israel sentiments are masking something far more insidious. It seems
that Uncle Wally=liberal=anti-Israel=Good whilst
Jane=conservative=pro-Israel=Bad. Therefore, my every remark about
fundementalist Islam is taken as racism (in truth, I don't care if you are
purple and worship tree frogs, providing you are not trying to impose your
faith on the rest of the world), whilst Wally spews viriol about Jews and
skates.
Even if it *was* about Americans, why is that okay? Unless one is, dare I
say it, self-loathing.
Not "okay" so much as "typical - nothing to get your knickers in a knot
about". In case you haven't noticed, Wally crossposts all over usenet
to get a rise out of people ....
Woods
I will give Wally (and Grantland, for that matter) one thing. They are
honest.
Jane
Jane
<snip>
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| User: "Steven Douglas" |
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19 Jan 2006 10:14:21 PM |
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Woodswun wrote:
Jane wrote:
<snip>>
No response. Wally made a comment about Jews; tw answered something like
"I didn't take you for a racist". I tried to find the thread just know at
Google, but no luck. Who knows what nic Wally was using!
Obviously, that should be "just now". I wrote that reply quickly after work
last night...It is interesting how the main point of my post was
side-stepped, as usual (I have flagged anti-Jewish remarks from Wally
before, to gauge reaction; there was none). I suppose for *some* posters,
anti-Israel sentiments are masking something far more insidious. It seems
that Uncle Wally=liberal=anti-Israel=Good whilst
Jane=conservative=pro-Israel=Bad. Therefore, my every remark about
fundementalist Islam is taken as racism (in truth, I don't care if you are
purple and worship tree frogs, providing you are not trying to impose your
faith on the rest of the world), whilst Wally spews viriol about Jews and
skates.
Even if it *was* about Americans, why is that okay? Unless one is, dare I
say it, self-loathing.
Not "okay" so much as "typical - nothing to get your knickers in a knot
about". In case you haven't noticed, Wally crossposts all over usenet
to get a rise out of people ....
So what? He routinely posts his anti-Jewish sentiments. His main
criticism of Americans is that they support Israel. And apparently, the
regulars on this group have no problem with that because it's "typical"
-- SO WHAT? The moment Jane or I post something critical of Islamic
fundamentalist culture, we are vilified by the "benevolent"
participants on this group -- who just smile at the anti-Jewish
remarks, because it's just "typical" -- and I can't help but wonder why
there is such an accepted double standard by the preponderance of silly
leftists on this group?
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| User: "Doc" |
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20 Jan 2006 11:13:12 PM |
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"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1137730461.633382.143340@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Woodswun wrote:
Jane wrote:
<snip>>
No response. Wally made a comment about Jews; tw answered something
like
"I didn't take you for a racist". I tried to find the thread just
know at
Google, but no luck. Who knows what nic Wally was using!
Obviously, that should be "just now". I wrote that reply quickly
after work
last night...It is interesting how the main point of my post was
side-stepped, as usual (I have flagged anti-Jewish remarks from Wally
before, to gauge reaction; there was none). I suppose for *some*
posters,
anti-Israel sentiments are masking something far more insidious. It
seems
that Uncle Wally=liberal=anti-Israel=Good whilst
Jane=conservative=pro-Israel=Bad. Therefore, my every remark about
fundementalist Islam is taken as racism (in truth, I don't care if
you are
purple and worship tree frogs, providing you are not trying to impose
your
faith on the rest of the world), whilst Wally spews viriol about Jews
and
skates.
Even if it *was* about Americans, why is that okay? Unless one is,
dare I
say it, self-loathing.
Not "okay" so much as "typical - nothing to get your knickers in a knot
about". In case you haven't noticed, Wally crossposts all over usenet
to get a rise out of people ....
So what? He routinely posts his anti-Jewish sentiments. His main
criticism of Americans is that they support Israel. And apparently, the
regulars on this group have no problem with that because it's "typical"
-- SO WHAT? The moment Jane or I post something critical of Islamic
fundamentalist culture, we are vilified by the "benevolent"
participants on this group -- who just smile at the anti-Jewish
remarks, because it's just "typical" -- and I can't help but wonder why
there is such an accepted double standard by the preponderance of silly
leftists on this group?
Jeez, Stevie, don't get your Fruit of the Loom in a twist! Jewish
government and their citizens have prejudices, make policy errors, and get
ugly just like the "other side" does. They are subject to criticism for
what is perceived to be the lies and wrongs that spew forth from them. I
know it's a lot more POPULAR to vindicate the Jews and villify Arabs.
Certainly, you'll get kudos amongst your ilk for doing so. But some of us
out here aren't interested in being politically correct, just calling the
shots as we see them -- no matter how UNPOPULAR at the time. The "double
standard" you speak of presupposes that we all ought to be as *fair
minded* and *objective* as you apparently like to imagine yourself to be.
LOL!
You deluded prejudiced conforming dimwit! Why is it that Sharon can be
charged with war crimes by the UN against humanity in Lebanon 20 years
ago, and escape answering to those charges in the International Court at
the Hague? Or, how can he have ordered an air strike deep inside Syria,
when Syria posed no overt threat to Israel? He's a war-mongering racist
fucker, Stevie. Jew or not, I hate war-mongerers and racists. That's why I
can't stand your ilk, or the brainless Bush ***** you suck on every day.
You silly right-wing hillbilly.
Doc :))
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21 Jan 2006 07:31:00 AM |
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"Doc" <bushelsofbushrot@HellsHereNow.com> wrote in message
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"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote in message
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Woodswun wrote:
Jane wrote:
<snip>>
No response. Wally made a comment about Jews; tw answered something
like
"I didn't take you for a racist". I tried to find the thread just
know at
Google, but no luck. Who knows what nic Wally was using!
Obviously, that should be "just now". I wrote that reply quickly
after work
last night...It is interesting how the main point of my post was
side-stepped, as usual (I have flagged anti-Jewish remarks from Wally
before, to gauge reaction; there was none). I suppose for *some*
posters,
anti-Israel sentiments are masking something far more insidious. It
seems
that Uncle Wally=liberal=anti-Israel=Good whilst
Jane=conservative=pro-Israel=Bad. Therefore, my every remark about
fundementalist Islam is taken as racism (in truth, I don't care if you
are
purple and worship tree frogs, providing you are not trying to impose
your
faith on the rest of the world), whilst Wally spews viriol about Jews
and
skates.
Even if it *was* about Americans, why is that okay? Unless one is,
dare I
say it, self-loathing.
Not "okay" so much as "typical - nothing to get your knickers in a knot
about". In case you haven't noticed, Wally crossposts all over usenet
to get a rise out of people ....
So what? He routinely posts his anti-Jewish sentiments. His main
criticism of Americans is that they support Israel. And apparently, the
regulars on this group have no problem with that because it's "typical"
-- SO WHAT? The moment Jane or I post something critical of Islamic
fundamentalist culture, we are vilified by the "benevolent"
participants on this group -- who just smile at the anti-Jewish
remarks, because it's just "typical" -- and I can't help but wonder why
there is such an accepted double standard by the preponderance of silly
leftists on this group?
Jeez, Stevie, don't get your Fruit of the Loom in a twist! Jewish
government and their citizens have prejudices, make policy errors, and get
ugly just like the "other side" does. They are subject to criticism for
what is perceived to be the lies and wrongs that spew forth from them.
There is criticism, then there is racism. Big diff.
I
know it's a lot more POPULAR to vindicate the Jews and villify Arabs.
Certainly, you'll get kudos amongst your ilk for doing so. But some of us
out here aren't interested in being politically correct, just calling the
shots as we see them -- no matter how UNPOPULAR at the time.
Now THAT is a hoot! Writing another of your comedy routines there Doc? It
is FAR more PC to anti-Israel!
The "double
standard" you speak of presupposes that we all ought to be as *fair
minded* and *objective* as you apparently like to imagine yourself to be.
LOL!
You deluded prejudiced conforming dimwit! Why is it that Sharon can be
charged with war crimes by the UN against humanity in Lebanon 20 years
ago, and escape answering to those charges in the International Court at
the Hague? Or, how can he have ordered an air strike deep inside Syria,
when Syria posed no overt threat to Israel? He's a war-mongering racist
fucker, Stevie. Jew or not, I hate war-mongerers and racists.
That's why you tacitly condone those who would blow up pizza shops and city
buses then???
Jane
That's why I
can't stand your ilk, or the brainless Bush ***** you suck on every day.
You silly right-wing hillbilly.
Doc :))
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21 Jan 2006 12:58:22 PM |
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"Jane" <pushlinque@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Doc" <bushelsofbushrot@HellsHereNow.com> wrote in message
news:dqsft901n13@enews2.newsguy.com...
"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1137730461.633382.143340@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Woodswun wrote:
Jane wrote:
<snip>>
No response. Wally made a comment about Jews; tw answered
something like
"I didn't take you for a racist". I tried to find the thread just
know at
Google, but no luck. Who knows what nic Wally was using!
Obviously, that should be "just now". I wrote that reply quickly
after work
last night...It is interesting how the main point of my post was
side-stepped, as usual (I have flagged anti-Jewish remarks from
Wally
before, to gauge reaction; there was none). I suppose for *some*
posters,
anti-Israel sentiments are masking something far more insidious.
It seems
that Uncle Wally=liberal=anti-Israel=Good whilst
Jane=conservative=pro-Israel=Bad. Therefore, my every remark about
fundementalist Islam is taken as racism (in truth, I don't care if
you are
purple and worship tree frogs, providing you are not trying to
impose your
faith on the rest of the world), whilst Wally spews viriol about
Jews and
skates.
Even if it *was* about Americans, why is that okay? Unless one is,
dare I
say it, self-loathing.
Not "okay" so much as "typical - nothing to get your knickers in a
knot
about". In case you haven't noticed, Wally crossposts all over
usenet
to get a rise out of people ....
So what? He routinely posts his anti-Jewish sentiments. His main
criticism of Americans is that they support Israel. And apparently,
the
regulars on this group have no problem with that because it's
"typical"
-- SO WHAT? The moment Jane or I post something critical of Islamic
fundamentalist culture, we are vilified by the "benevolent"
participants on this group -- who just smile at the anti-Jewish
remarks, because it's just "typical" -- and I can't help but wonder
why
there is such an accepted double standard by the preponderance of
silly
leftists on this group?
Jeez, Stevie, don't get your Fruit of the Loom in a twist! Jewish
government and their citizens have prejudices, make policy errors, and
get ugly just like the "other side" does. They are subject to criticism
for what is perceived to be the lies and wrongs that spew forth from
them.
There is criticism, then there is racism. Big diff.
Yes, you're right. I criticize the Jews when I think they've done
something wrong. And I know the difference. I can see the contrast
between your closeted racism toward Muslims and my criticism of the Jews.
LOL!
I
know it's a lot more POPULAR to vindicate the Jews and villify Arabs.
Certainly, you'll get kudos amongst your ilk for doing so. But some of
us out here aren't interested in being politically correct, just
calling the shots as we see them -- no matter how UNPOPULAR at the
time.
Now THAT is a hoot! Writing another of your comedy routines there Doc?
It is FAR more PC to anti-Israel!
I was speaking of the prevailing attitude in the American/Western mass
media and in the political arena, Jane, you ignorant *****. The whole world
isn't APN, ya know. Since America is a mostly Christian (*cough* *gag*)
nation, their support for all things Jewish is well known, although many
orthodox Judaists don't think Jesus was God's boy. hehehehee...
The "double
standard" you speak of presupposes that we all ought to be as *fair
minded* and *objective* as you apparently like to imagine yourself to
be. LOL!
You deluded prejudiced conforming dimwit! Why is it that Sharon can be
charged with war crimes by the UN against humanity in Lebanon 20 years
ago, and escape answering to those charges in the International Court
at the Hague? Or, how can he have ordered an air strike deep inside
Syria, when Syria posed no overt threat to Israel? He's a war-mongering
racist fucker, Stevie. Jew or not, I hate war-mongerers and racists.
That's why you tacitly condone those who would blow up pizza shops and
city buses then???
LOL! Who's writing a comedic script now? Preposterous accusation, Jane.
You should be ashamed of spreading vicious rumors. It truly hurts my good
reputation here. :`(
LOL! >
Jane
That's why I
can't stand your ilk, or the brainless Bush ***** you suck on every
day. You silly right-wing hillbilly.
Doc :))
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| User: "Jane" |
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21 Jan 2006 03:35:53 PM |
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"Doc" <bushelsofbushrot@HellsHereNow.com> wrote in message
news:dqu08g0ju7@enews2.newsguy.com...
"Jane" <pushlinque@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Doc" <bushelsofbushrot@HellsHereNow.com> wrote in message
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"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote in message
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Woodswun wrote:
Jane wrote:
<snip>>
No response. Wally made a comment about Jews; tw answered something
like
"I didn't take you for a racist". I tried to find the thread just
know at
Google, but no luck. Who knows what nic Wally was using!
Obviously, that should be "just now". I wrote that reply quickly
after work
last night...It is interesting how the main point of my post was
side-stepped, as usual (I have flagged anti-Jewish remarks from
Wally
before, to gauge reaction; there was none). I suppose for *some*
posters,
anti-Israel sentiments are masking something far more insidious. It
seems
that Uncle Wally=liberal=anti-Israel=Good whilst
Jane=conservative=pro-Israel=Bad. Therefore, my every remark about
fundementalist Islam is taken as racism (in truth, I don't care if
you are
purple and worship tree frogs, providing you are not trying to
impose your
faith on the rest of the world), whilst Wally spews viriol about
Jews and
skates.
Even if it *was* about Americans, why is that okay? Unless one is,
dare I
say it, self-loathing.
Not "okay" so much as "typical - nothing to get your knickers in a
knot
about". In case you haven't noticed, Wally crossposts all over usenet
to get a rise out of people ....
So what? He routinely posts his anti-Jewish sentiments. His main
criticism of Americans is that they support Israel. And apparently, the
regulars on this group have no problem with that because it's "typical"
-- SO WHAT? The moment Jane or I post something critical of Islamic
fundamentalist culture, we are vilified by the "benevolent"
participants on this group -- who just smile at the anti-Jewish
remarks, because it's just "typical" -- and I can't help but wonder why
there is such an accepted double standard by the preponderance of silly
leftists on this group?
Jeez, Stevie, don't get your Fruit of the Loom in a twist! Jewish
government and their citizens have prejudices, make policy errors, and
get ugly just like the "other side" does. They are subject to criticism
for what is perceived to be the lies and wrongs that spew forth from
them.
There is criticism, then there is racism. Big diff.
Yes, you're right. I criticize the Jews when I think they've done
something wrong. And I know the difference. I can see the contrast
between your closeted racism toward Muslims and my criticism of the Jews.
LOL!
Whatever YOU may say is not the issue. I admit I have not read anything
like the racism Wally writes from you; the condoning of those views IS the
issue.
I won't respond to the closeted racism statement; it is a load of crap and
not worth the effort.
I
know it's a lot more POPULAR to vindicate the Jews and villify Arabs.
Certainly, you'll get kudos amongst your ilk for doing so. But some of
us out here aren't interested in being politically correct, just calling
the shots as we see them -- no matter how UNPOPULAR at the time.
Now THAT is a hoot! Writing another of your comedy routines there Doc?
It is FAR more PC to anti-Israel!
I was speaking of the prevailing attitude in the American/Western mass
media and in the political arena, Jane, you ignorant *****.
So was I. My observations of the same obviously differ from yours. Perhaps
you are willfully blind!
The whole world
isn't APN, ya know. Since America is a mostly Christian (*cough* *gag*)
nation, their support for all things Jewish is well known, although many
orthodox Judaists don't think Jesus was God's boy. hehehehee...
MOST Jews don't (except for a small sect that is more Christian than
Jewish). Neither do Muslims. Neither do I.
The "double
standard" you speak of presupposes that we all ought to be as *fair
minded* and *objective* as you apparently like to imagine yourself to
be. LOL!
You deluded prejudiced conforming dimwit! Why is it that Sharon can be
charged with war crimes by the UN against humanity in Lebanon 20 years
ago, and escape answering to those charges in the International Court at
the Hague? Or, how can he have ordered an air strike deep inside Syria,
when Syria posed no overt threat to Israel? He's a war-mongering racist
fucker, Stevie. Jew or not, I hate war-mongerers and racists.
That's why you tacitly condone those who would blow up pizza shops and
city buses then???
LOL! Who's writing a comedic script now? Preposterous accusation, Jane.
You should be ashamed of spreading vicious rumors.
You have no problem making false allegations about me, so I won't lose any
sleep over it!
Jane
It truly hurts my good
reputation here. :`(
LOL! >
Jane
That's why I
can't stand your ilk, or the brainless Bush ***** you suck on every
day. You silly right-wing hillbilly.
Doc :))
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| User: "spongy" |
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20 Jan 2006 02:09:19 AM |
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In article <1137730461.633382.143340@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote:
I can't help but wonder why
there is such an accepted double standard by the preponderance of silly
leftists on this group?
Because they're hypocritical retards?
That's what seems to make the most sense.
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| User: "Steven Douglas" |
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20 Jan 2006 10:29:14 PM |
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spongy wrote:
In article <1137730461.633382.143340@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote:
I can't help but wonder why
there is such an accepted double standard by the preponderance of silly
leftists on this group?
Because they're hypocritical retards?
That's what seems to make the most sense.
It makes absolutely perfect sense. The weak excuse being offered is
that a non-serious poster is free to spread anti-Jewish bigoted racism
without reprisal. So! That's how some of the posters on this group get
away with it. They're not serious posters! I mistakenly thought they
were. Now I know better.
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| User: "Jane" |
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| Title: Re: Really, really SCARY !! Ahmadinejad's Head's Glowin' !! |
21 Jan 2006 07:27:59 AM |
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"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1137817754.076442.195530@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
spongy wrote:
In article <1137730461.633382.143340@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote:
I can't help but wonder why
there is such an accepted double standard by the preponderance of silly
leftists on this group?
Because they're hypocritical retards?
That's what seems to make the most sense.
It makes absolutely perfect sense. The weak excuse being offered is
that a non-serious poster is free to spread anti-Jewish bigoted racism
without reprisal. So! That's how some of the posters on this group get
away with it. They're not serious posters! I mistakenly thought they
were. Now I know better.
I think a big part of it, the part no one wants to admit, is *who* they are
racist against, rather than whether They are serious or not. I guess it is
okay to be racist when it comes to Jews, just don't even criticize anyone
else.
Jane
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| User: "Steven Douglas" |
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| Title: Re: Really, really SCARY !! Ahmadinejad's Head's Glowin' !! |
21 Jan 2006 02:27:21 PM |
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Jane wrote:
"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1137817754.076442.195530@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
spongy wrote:
In article <1137730461.633382.143340@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote:
I can't help but wonder why
there is such an accepted double standard by the preponderance of silly
leftists on this group?
Because they're hypocritical retards?
That's what seems to make the most sense.
It makes absolutely perfect sense. The weak excuse being offered is
that a non-serious poster is free to spread anti-Jewish bigoted racism
without reprisal. So! That's how some of the posters on this group get
away with it. They're not serious posters! I mistakenly thought they
were. Now I know better.
I think a big part of it, the part no one wants to admit, is *who* they are
racist against, rather than whether They are serious or not. I guess it is
okay to be racist when it comes to Jews, just don't even criticize anyone
else.
That appears to be the mindset of the majority on this group. But I
like the proposition that the posters who engage in racist anti-Jewish
bigotry are not serious posters. They are, after all, clownish -- and
anything they post is, therefore, irrelevant.
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| User: "Jane" |
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21 Jan 2006 03:37:20 PM |
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"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1137875241.402527.64080@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Jane wrote:
"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1137817754.076442.195530@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
spongy wrote:
In article <1137730461.633382.143340@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote:
I can't help but wonder why
there is such an accepted double standard by the preponderance of
silly
leftists on this group?
Because they're hypocritical retards?
That's what seems to make the most sense.
It makes absolutely perfect sense. The weak excuse being offered is
that a non-serious poster is free to spread anti-Jewish bigoted racism
without reprisal. So! That's how some of the posters on this group get
away with it. They're not serious posters! I mistakenly thought they
were. Now I know better.
I think a big part of it, the part no one wants to admit, is *who* they
are
racist against, rather than whether They are serious or not. I guess it
is
okay to be racist when it comes to Jews, just don't even criticize anyone
else.
That appears to be the mindset of the majority on this group. But I
like the proposition that the posters who engage in racist anti-Jewish
bigotry are not serious posters. They are, after all, clownish -- and
anything they post is, therefore, irrelevant.
Must be. I won't bring it up again. It's interesting, too, that one can
comment with authority on something having only skimmed it. I'll have to
remember that one, :)!
Jane
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| User: "Woodswun" |
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20 Jan 2006 05:26:30 PM |
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Steven Douglas wrote:
Woodswun wrote:
Jane wrote:
<snip>>
No response. Wally made a comment about Jews; tw answered something like
"I didn't take you for a racist". I tried to find the thread just know at
Google, but no luck. Who knows what nic Wally was using!
Obviously, that should be "just now". I wrote that reply quickly after work
last night...It is interesting how the main point of my post was
side-stepped, as usual (I have flagged anti-Jewish remarks from Wally
before, to gauge reaction; there was none). I suppose for *some* posters,
anti-Israel sentiments are masking something far more insidious. It seems
that Uncle Wally=liberal=anti-Israel=Good whilst
Jane=conservative=pro-Israel=Bad. Therefore, my every remark about
fundementalist Islam is taken as racism (in truth, I don't care if you are
purple and worship tree frogs, providing you are not trying to impose your
faith on the rest of the world), whilst Wally spews viriol about Jews and
skates.
Even if it *was* about Americans, why is that okay? Unless one is, dare I
say it, self-loathing.
Not "okay" so much as "typical - nothing to get your knickers in a knot
about". In case you haven't noticed, Wally crossposts all over usenet
to get a rise out of people ....
So what? He routinely posts his anti-Jewish sentiments. His main
criticism of Americans is that they support Israel. And apparently, the
regulars on this group have no problem with that because it's "typical"
-- SO WHAT? The moment Jane or I post something critical of Islamic
fundamentalist culture, we are vilified by the "benevolent"
participants on this group -- who just smile at the anti-Jewish
remarks, because it's just "typical" -- and I can't help but wonder why
there is such an accepted double standard by the preponderance of silly
leftists on this group?
I'm amazed that you need this explained to you further.
Uncle Wally isn't taken as a serious poster. Period.
If you and Jane want to not be taken seriously, you'll have to do better
than just make yourselves look stupid.
Woods
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| User: "Steven Douglas" |
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| Title: Re: Really, really SCARY !! Ahmadinejad's Head's Glowin' !! |
20 Jan 2006 10:30:18 PM |
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Woodswun wrote:
Steven Douglas wrote:
Woodswun wrote:
Jane wrote:
<snip>>
No response. Wally made a comment about Jews; tw answered something like
"I didn't take you for a racist". I tried to find the thread just know at
Google, but no luck. Who knows what nic Wally was using!
Obviously, that should be "just now". I wrote that reply quickly after work
last night...It is interesting how the main point of my post was
side-stepped, as usual (I have flagged anti-Jewish remarks from Wally
before, to gauge reaction; there was none). I suppose for *some* posters,
anti-Israel sentiments are masking something far more insidious. It seems
that Uncle Wally=liberal=anti-Israel=Good whilst
Jane=conservative=pro-Israel=Bad. Therefore, my every remark about
fundementalist Islam is taken as racism (in truth, I don't care if you are
purple and worship tree frogs, providing you are not trying to impose your
faith on the rest of the world), whilst Wally spews viriol about Jews and
skates.
Even if it *was* about Americans, why is that okay? Unless one is, dare I
say it, self-loathing.
Not "okay" so much as "typical - nothing to get your knickers in a knot
about". In case you haven't noticed, Wally crossposts all over usenet
to get a rise out of people ....
So what? He routinely posts his anti-Jewish sentiments. His main
criticism of Americans is that they support Israel. And apparently, the
regulars on this group have no problem with that because it's "typical"
-- SO WHAT? The moment Jane or I post something critical of Islamic
fundamentalist culture, we are vilified by the "benevolent"
participants on this group -- who just smile at the anti-Jewish
remarks, because it's just "typical" -- and I can't help but wonder why
there is such an accepted double standard by the preponderance of silly
leftists on this group?
I'm amazed that you need this explained to you further.
Uncle Wally isn't taken as a serious poster. Period.
If you and Jane want to not be taken seriously, you'll have to do better
than just make yourselves look stupid.
And if you want to not be taken seriously, just keep going the way
you're going.
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| User: "Steven Douglas" |
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19 Jan 2006 10:22:33 PM |
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Jane wrote:
<snip>>
No response. Wally made a comment about Jews; tw answered something like
"I didn't take you for a racist". I tried to find the thread just know at
Google, but no luck. Who knows what nic Wally was using!
Obviously, that should be "just now". I wrote that reply quickly after work
last night...It is interesting how the main point of my post was
side-stepped, as usual (I have flagged anti-Jewish remarks from Wally
before, to gauge reaction; there was none).
I have noticed that. And I also noticed that the main point of your
post was side-stepped. It was obvious to me the moment I read it (even
without the "wailing wall" reference) that his post was referring to
Jews. But people who agree with him are blind to what he wrote, which
is why I predicted the response would be: "So what's your point, Jane?"
I suppose for *some* posters,
anti-Israel sentiments are masking something far more insidious. It seems
that Uncle Wally=liberal=anti-Israel=Good whilst
Jane=conservative=pro-Israel=Bad. Therefore, my every remark about
fundementalist Islam is taken as racism (in truth, I don't care if you are
purple and worship tree frogs, providing you are not trying to impose your
faith on the rest of the world), whilst Wally spews viriol about Jews and
skates.
Very telling about the majority of this group, I'd say.
Even if it *was* about Americans, why is that okay? Unless one is, dare I
say it, self-loathing.
No, it is quite fashionable these days to be American and hate America.
It starts with the Democratic Party, which is supported by the New York
Times, whose influence filters down through most of the major media.
And it gets to the point where the America haters of America start to
believe that people who actually love America are the self-loathing.
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20 Jan 2006 11:19:37 PM |
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"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote in message
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Jane wrote:
<snip>>
No response. Wally made a comment about Jews; tw answered something
like
"I didn't take you for a racist". I tried to find the thread just
know at
Google, but no luck. Who knows what nic Wally was using!
Obviously, that should be "just now". I wrote that reply quickly after
work
last night...It is interesting how the main point of my post was
side-stepped, as usual (I have flagged anti-Jewish remarks from Wally
before, to gauge reaction; there was none).
I have noticed that. And I also noticed that the main point of your
post was side-stepped. It was obvious to me the moment I read it (even
without the "wailing wall" reference) that his post was referring to
Jews. But people who agree with him are blind to what he wrote, which
is why I predicted the response would be: "So what's your point, Jane?"
I suppose for *some* posters,
anti-Israel sentiments are masking something far more insidious. It
seems
that Uncle Wally=liberal=anti-Israel=Good whilst
Jane=conservative=pro-Israel=Bad. Therefore, my every remark about
fundementalist Islam is taken as racism (in truth, I don't care if you
are
purple and worship tree frogs, providing you are not trying to impose
your
faith on the rest of the world), whilst Wally spews viriol about Jews
and
skates.
Very telling about the majority of this group, I'd say.
Even if it *was* about Americans, why is that okay? Unless one is,
dare I
say it, self-loathing.
No, it is quite fashionable these days to be American and hate America.
It starts with the Democratic Party, which is supported by the New York
Times, whose influence filters down through most of the major media.
And it gets to the point where the America haters of America start to
believe that people who actually love America are the self-loathing.
You in touch with reality, Stevie? For nearly four years after 911, this
nation's majority was NOT criticizing the goverment's policies toward Iraq
or the WOT.
It was *quite fasionable* for folks like yourself, in the majority, to go
along with what was perceived to be the "right" thing to support. Hey,
stupid, people found out that it wasn't the right thing, and the fashion
of it faded. Face up to stark, cold reality, Stevie. You and the majority
supported an unneeded stupid war, and believed a bunch of scheming liars.
Naaah...forget it. You're like the Dan Quayle of APN! Just keep on with
your blind faith in these fuckers at the top. If they don't use you for a
quick ***** wipe, and dispose of you in a profitable war, maybe you'll get
lucky and obtain an autograph for your historical collection...or maybe
even a medal to show off to your fucked-up fascist-***** licking friends.
LOL !!
Doc :))
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18 Jan 2006 05:23:17 PM |
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Steven Douglas wrote:
Jane wrote:
"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1137529975.614120.78470@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Jane wrote:
"FRICK yeahT ?" <stargatedecember2012@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
news:1137473826.497244.109870@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Scary indeed !
yes siree yes indeedy deedy deedy deedy deedily do !!!!
(& a FRICK yeah thrown in for good measure ;-)
I like the man !!!!!!!
It's good to see someone *FINALLY* stick it up to those parasitic,
phallus-worshipping, land-thieving, fence-building, murderous, greedy,
selfish, ungrateful, self-centered, inbred, devious, conniving,
scheming, manipulative, vile, repugnant, putrifying wailing wall
headbangers.....
All you people who accuse me of racism, please read the above description
of
Jews.
And the various Jew haters who accuse you (and me) of racism are
reading that description of Jews, nodding their heads all the while,
and they're a bit befuddled as they think: "So what's your point,
Jane?"
Yep! Woods thought he was describing Americans!
It just shows the mentality of today's American leftists. Their hatred
for Israel is only surpassed by their hatred for their own country.
Or, it's just possible that the poster in question is familiar with
Uncle Wally's prior comments on America and Bush and just skimmed the
post.... 9_9
Woods
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18 Jan 2006 05:17:44 PM |
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Jane wrote:
"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1137529975.614120.78470@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Jane wrote:
"FRICK yeahT ?" <stargatedecember2012@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
news:1137473826.497244.109870@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Scary indeed !
yes siree yes indeedy deedy deedy deedy deedily do !!!!
(& a FRICK yeah thrown in for good measure ;-)
I like the man !!!!!!!
It's good to see someone *FINALLY* stick it up to those parasitic,
phallus-worshipping, land-thieving, fence-building, murderous, greedy,
selfish, ungrateful, self-centered, inbred, devious, conniving,
scheming, manipulative, vile, repugnant, putrifying wailing wall
headbangers.....
All you people who accuse me of racism, please read the above description
of
Jews.
And the various Jew haters who accuse you (and me) of racism are
reading that description of Jews, nodding their heads all the while,
and they're a bit befuddled as they think: "So what's your point,
Jane?"
Yep! Woods thought he was describing Americans! If nothing else, the
reference to the wailing wall gives it away. Besides, you can find other
anti-Semitic remarks in Uncle Wally's posts; only tw has ever questioned him
on it.
Well, I can honestly say that I really don't know what to say. I'm not
sure if I'm more concerned that someone who purports to have a college
education is reduced to chortling (in multiple responses) over someone
else's merely skimming an article by Uncle Wally, or if it's the
apparent hanging on every.single.word that Uncle Wally has to say.
I don't know whether to expect thanks from you for giving you the
opportunity to show off your 1337 Wally Reading Skills, or move slowly
away! 0-o
Woods
I have never seen you write anything even remotely like that garbage
about any group. Yet that particular writer always gets a free pass
from the other Jew haters on this group. Meanwhile, you and I are
routinely attacked for voicing our concerns, not about any particular
race, but about a *culture* that honors death, represses women (i.e.
fundamentalist murderous terrorists, honor killings, Taliban style
Sharia law, etc), with a grandiose plan to replace Western cultures
with its own culture (Sharia) no matter how long it takes.
Amen to that!
Jane
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18 Jan 2006 10:16:23 PM |
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"Woodswun" <woodswun@tepidmail.com> wrote in message
news:s0Azf.90931$XJ5.39668@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
Jane wrote:
"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1137529975.614120.78470@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Jane wrote:
"FRICK yeahT ?" <stargatedecember2012@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
news:1137473826.497244.109870@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Scary indeed !
yes siree yes indeedy deedy deedy deedy deedily do !!!!
(& a FRICK yeah thrown in for good measure ;-)
I like the man !!!!!!!
It's good to see someone *FINALLY* stick it up to those parasitic,
phallus-worshipping, land-thieving, fence-building, murderous, greedy,
selfish, ungrateful, self-centered, inbred, devious, conniving,
scheming, manipulative, vile, repugnant, putrifying wailing wall
headbangers.....
All you people who accuse me of racism, please read the above
description of
Jews.
And the various Jew haters who accuse you (and me) of racism are
reading that description of Jews, nodding their heads all the while,
and they're a bit befuddled as they think: "So what's your point,
Jane?"
Yep! Woods thought he was describing Americans! If nothing else, the
reference to the wailing wall gives it away. Besides, you can find other
anti-Semitic remarks in Uncle Wally's posts; only tw has ever questioned
him on it.
Well, I can honestly say that I really don't know what to say. I'm not
sure if I'm more concerned that someone who purports to have a college
education is reduced to chortling (in multiple responses) over someone
else's merely skimming an article by Uncle Wally, or if it's the apparent
hanging on every.single.word that Uncle Wally has to say.
I don't know whether to expect thanks from you for giving you the
opportunity to show off your 1337 Wally Reading Skills, or move slowly
away! 0-o
I know you don't like admitting when you are wrong, so I don't have a
problem if you want to take it that way...
Jane
Woods
I have never seen you write anything even remotely like that garbage
about any group. Yet that particular writer always gets a free pass
from the other Jew haters on this group. Meanwhile, you and I are
routinely attacked for voicing our concerns, not about any particular
race, but about a *culture* that honors death, represses women (i.e.
fundamentalist murderous terrorists, honor killings, Taliban style
Sharia law, etc), with a grandiose plan to replace Western cultures
with its own culture (Sharia) no matter how long it takes.
Amen to that!
Jane
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19 Jan 2006 04:57:02 PM |
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Jane wrote:
"Woodswun" <woodswun@tepidmail.com> wrote in message
news:s0Azf.90931$XJ5.39668@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
Jane wrote:
"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1137529975.614120.78470@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Jane wrote:
"FRICK yeahT ?" <stargatedecember2012@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
news:1137473826.497244.109870@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Scary indeed !
yes siree yes indeedy deedy deedy deedy deedily do !!!!
(& a FRICK yeah thrown in for good measure ;-)
I like the man !!!!!!!
It's good to see someone *FINALLY* stick it up to those parasitic,
phallus-worshipping, land-thieving, fence-building, murderous, greedy,
selfish, ungrateful, self-centered, inbred, devious, conniving,
scheming, manipulative, vile, repugnant, putrifying wailing wall
headbangers.....
All you people who accuse me of racism, please read the above
description of
Jews.
And the various Jew haters who accuse you (and me) of racism are
reading that description of Jews, nodding their heads all the while,
and they're a bit befuddled as they think: "So what's your point,
Jane?"
Yep! Woods thought he was describing Americans! If nothing else, the
reference to the wailing wall gives it away. Besides, you can find other
anti-Semitic remarks in Uncle Wally's posts; only tw has ever questioned
him on it.
Well, I can honestly say that I really don't know what to say. I'm not
sure if I'm more concerned that someone who purports to have a college
education is reduced to chortling (in multiple responses) over someone
else's merely skimming an article by Uncle Wally, or if it's the apparent
hanging on every.single.word that Uncle Wally has to say.
I don't know whether to expect thanks from you for giving you the
opportunity to show off your 1337 Wally Reading Skills, or move slowly
away! 0-o
I know you don't like admitting when you are wrong, so I don't have a
problem if you want to take it that way...
Jane
Not at all - I freely admit to having missed 2 words juxtaposed. Your
overzealous glee that resulted in 2 separate posts gloating about it
seemed more than a tad unbalanced, tho.
Woods
Woods
I have never seen you write anything even remotely like that garbage
about any group. Yet that particular writer always gets a free pass
from the other Jew haters on this group. Meanwhile, you and I are
routinely attacked for voicing our concerns, not about any particular
race, but about a *culture* that honors death, represses women (i.e.
fundamentalist murderous terrorists, honor killings, Taliban style
Sharia law, etc), with a grandiose plan to replace Western cultures
with its own culture (Sharia) no matter how long it takes.
Amen to that!
Jane
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19 Jan 2006 10:10:27 PM |
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"Woodswun" <woodswun@tepidmail.com> wrote in message
news:2PUzf.97090$XJ5.62716@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
Jane wrote:
"Woodswun" <woodswun@tepidmail.com> wrote in message
news:s0Azf.90931$XJ5.39668@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
Jane wrote:
"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1137529975.614120.78470@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Jane wrote:
"FRICK yeahT ?" <stargatedecember2012@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
news:1137473826.497244.109870@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Scary indeed !
yes siree yes indeedy deedy deedy deedy deedily do !!!!
(& a FRICK yeah thrown in for good measure ;-)
I like the man !!!!!!!
It's good to see someone *FINALLY* stick it up to those parasitic,
phallus-worshipping, land-thieving, fence-building, murderous,
greedy,
selfish, ungrateful, self-centered, inbred, devious, conniving,
scheming, manipulative, vile, repugnant, putrifying wailing wall
headbangers.....
All you people who accuse me of racism, please read the above
description of
Jews.
And the various Jew haters who accuse you (and me) of racism are
reading that description of Jews, nodding their heads all the while,
and they're a bit befuddled as they think: "So what's your point,
Jane?"
Yep! Woods thought he was describing Americans! If nothing else, the
reference to the wailing wall gives it away. Besides, you can find
other anti-Semitic remarks in Uncle Wally's posts; only tw has ever
questioned him on it.
Well, I can honestly say that I really don't know what to say. I'm not
sure if I'm more concerned that someone who purports to have a college
education is reduced to chortling (in multiple responses) over someone
else's merely skimming an article by Uncle Wally, or if it's the apparent
hanging on every.single.word that Uncle Wally has to say.
I don't know whether to expect thanks from you for giving you the
opportunity to show off your 1337 Wally Reading Skills, or move slowly
away! 0-o
I know you don't like admitting when you are wrong, so I don't have a
problem if you want to take it that way...
Jane
Not at all - I freely admit to having missed 2 words juxtaposed. Your
overzealous glee that resulted in 2 separate posts gloating about it
seemed more than a tad unbalanced, tho.
I wasn't gloating; I was incredulous. Maybe if you had been the brunt of
frequent false allegations, you would see why it would ***** me off that some
people get a free pass.
Jane
Woods
Woods
I have never seen you write anything even remotely like that garbage
about any group. Yet that particular writer always gets a free pass
from the other Jew haters on this group. Meanwhile, you and I are
routinely attacked for voicing our concerns, not about any particular
race, but about a *culture* that honors death, represses women (i.e.
fundamentalist murderous terrorists, honor killings, Taliban style
Sharia law, etc), with a grandiose plan to replace Western cultures
with its own culture (Sharia) no matter how long it takes.
Amen to that!
Jane
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