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User: "TonyZ2001"
Date: 14 Jun 2004 10:37:14 AM
Object: Red Cross ultimatum to US on Saddam
Red Cross ultimatum to US on Saddam
Release him, charge him or break international law, Bush told
Jonathan Steele in Baghdad
Monday June 14, 2004
The Guardian
Saddam Hussein must either be released from custody by June 30 or charged if
the US and the new Iraqi government are to conform to international law, the
International Committee of the Red Cross said last night.
Nada Doumani, a spokeswoman for the ICRC, told the Guardian: "The United States
defines Saddam Hussein as a prisoner of war. At the end of an occupation PoWs
have to be released provided they have no penal charges against them."
Her comments came as the international body, the only independent group with
access to detainees in US custody, becomes increasingly concerned over the
legal limbo in which thousands of people are being held in the run-up to the
transfer of power at the end of the month.
The occupation officially ends on June 30 and US forces will be in Iraq at the
invitation of its sovereign government.
"There are all these people kept in a legal vacuum. No one should be left not
knowing their legal status. Their judicial rights must be assured," Ms Doumani
said.
Saddam and other senior officials of the old regime are the only Iraqi
detainees to have been given PoW status. Hundreds of other Iraqis have been
seized since the war often, according to critics, on flimsy suspicion and held
for long periods without charge, usually without their families knowing for
weeks where they are.
The ICRC visited the notorious Abu Ghraib prison in early June and found 3,291
detainees, including three women and 22 boys under 18. This was less than half
the 6,527 it found in March.
President George Bush has promised to close the prison where US guards indulged
in pornographic abuse of prisoners and several groups of releases have taken
place since. But many prisoners have been transferred to other prisons.
The ICRC is angry that it has not been given exact figures for releases or the
whereabouts of those who are moved from Abu Ghraib and it is hoping the end of
the occupation will put pressure on the authorities to clean up their act. "If
we consider the occupation ends on June 30, that would mean it's the end of the
international armed conflict. This is the legal situation.
"When the conflict ends the prisoners of war should be released according to
the Geneva conventions," Ms Doumani said.
She accepted that US and other foreign forces would remain in Iraq.
Whether that meant an occupation continued would be "determined by the
situation on the ground". The presence of foreign forces ought to be governed
by a legal agreement with the host government.
The ICRC has made at least two visits to the former Iraqi president who is
believed to be in a special prison at Baghdad airport.
Around 40 other members of the so-called "pack of cards", Washington's list of
high-level members of the former regime, are also there, most in solitary
confinement.
Interrogation has been sporadic and none has been charged or allowed visits by
their lawyers. A few have had family visits.
They include scientists who were never members of the Ba'ath party, like Dr
Amer al Saadi, who was the Iraqi government's liaison with the United Nations'
weapons inspectors.
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Family members claim they are being deliberately held without trial so as to
be punished even in the absence of evidence of wrongdoing.
US lawyers have been helping Iraqis prepare charges against Saddam but
officials say they do not expect a trial until next year at the earliest. The
US and the Iraqi authorities hope other defendants will first testify against
him.
But none has been willing to do so. Whether it is out of loyalty or fear of
retribution by Saddam's sympathisers is not clear.
Once charged the former president will be entitled to judicial guarantees
including access to a lawyer and the right to prepare a defence.
The US has made clear it will continue to detain some Iraqis after the transfer
of sovereignty as part of its security operations.
.

User: " John F Lemke"

Title: Re: Red Cross ultimatum to US on Saddam 14 Jun 2004 05:12:52 PM
"TonyZ2001" <tonyz2001@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20040614113714.00400.00001056@mb-m14.aol.com...

Red Cross ultimatum to US on Saddam

Release him, charge him or break international law, Bush told

TURN HIM LOOSE!!!!!!!! GIVE US OUR ANTI-CHRIST BACK!!!!!!!
.

User: "Michael Johnathan McDonald"

Title: Re: Red Cross ultimatum to US on Saddam 14 Jun 2004 06:38:51 PM
(TonyZ2001) wrote in message news:<20040614113714.00400.00001056@mb-m14.aol.com>...

Red Cross ultimatum to US on Saddam

"ultimatum" is usually used in threats of war.
this is another lefty journalist, OK'd by lefty Head honchos, who want
to use 'Mao fear tactics phrases' in catchy titles of print?
"Red Cross ultimatum to US"?
Humm.. What kinda army does the Red Cross have?
I say observe international law.
I heard that Saddam can be let go ( From the radio) – free in less
than a month.
''"40 other members of the so-called "pack of cards", "''
Will Saddam start a new country or hook up with NK's Ill for the
nuking of the west?

Release him, charge him or break international law, Bush told

Jonathan Steele in Baghdad
Monday June 14, 2004
The Guardian

Saddam Hussein must either be released from custody by June 30 or charged if
the US and the new Iraqi government are to conform to international law, the
International Committee of the Red Cross said last night.
Nada Doumani, a spokeswoman for the ICRC, told the Guardian: "The United States
defines Saddam Hussein as a prisoner of war. At the end of an occupation PoWs
have to be released provided they have no penal charges against them."

Her comments came as the international body, the only independent group with
access to detainees in US custody, becomes increasingly concerned over the
legal limbo in which thousands of people are being held in the run-up to the
transfer of power at the end of the month.

The occupation officially ends on June 30 and US forces will be in Iraq at the
invitation of its sovereign government.

"There are all these people kept in a legal vacuum. No one should be left not
knowing their legal status. Their judicial rights must be assured," Ms Doumani
said.

Saddam and other senior officials of the old regime are the only Iraqi
detainees to have been given PoW status. Hundreds of other Iraqis have been
seized since the war often, according to critics, on flimsy suspicion and held
for long periods without charge, usually without their families knowing for
weeks where they are.

The ICRC visited the notorious Abu Ghraib prison in early June and found 3,291
detainees, including three women and 22 boys under 18. This was less than half
the 6,527 it found in March.

President George Bush has promised to close the prison where US guards indulged
in pornographic abuse of prisoners and several groups of releases have taken
place since. But many prisoners have been transferred to other prisons.

The ICRC is angry that it has not been given exact figures for releases or the
whereabouts of those who are moved from Abu Ghraib and it is hoping the end of
the occupation will put pressure on the authorities to clean up their act. "If
we consider the occupation ends on June 30, that would mean it's the end of the
international armed conflict. This is the legal situation.

"When the conflict ends the prisoners of war should be released according to
the Geneva conventions," Ms Doumani said.

She accepted that US and other foreign forces would remain in Iraq.

Whether that meant an occupation continued would be "determined by the
situation on the ground". The presence of foreign forces ought to be governed
by a legal agreement with the host government.

The ICRC has made at least two visits to the former Iraqi president who is
believed to be in a special prison at Baghdad airport.

Around 40 other members of the so-called "pack of cards", Washington's list of
high-level members of the former regime, are also there, most in solitary
confinement.

Interrogation has been sporadic and none has been charged or allowed visits by
their lawyers. A few have had family visits.

They include scientists who were never members of the Ba'ath party, like Dr
Amer al Saadi, who was the Iraqi government's liaison with the United Nations'
weapons inspectors.

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Family members claim they are being deliberately held without trial so as to
be punished even in the absence of evidence of wrongdoing.

US lawyers have been helping Iraqis prepare charges against Saddam but
officials say they do not expect a trial until next year at the earliest. The
US and the Iraqi authorities hope other defendants will first testify against
him.

But none has been willing to do so. Whether it is out of loyalty or fear of
retribution by Saddam's sympathisers is not clear.

Once charged the former president will be entitled to judicial guarantees
including access to a lawyer and the right to prepare a defence.

The US has made clear it will continue to detain some Iraqis after the transfer
of sovereignty as part of its security operations.

.
User: "tw"

Title: Re: Red Cross ultimatum to US on Saddam 16 Jun 2004 04:00:25 AM
"Michael Johnathan McDonald" <abookoflife@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:dd3256f0.0406141538.df7cebd@posting.google.com...

tonyz2001@aol.com (TonyZ2001) wrote in message

news:<20040614113714.00400.00001056@mb-m14.aol.com>...

Red Cross ultimatum to US on Saddam


"ultimatum" is usually used in threats of war.

No it isn't. Buy a dictionary for *****'s sake. Or if the welfare won't
stretch to one, book mark this:
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=ultimatum

this is another lefty journalist, OK'd by lefty Head honchos, who want
to use 'Mao fear tactics phrases' in catchy titles of print?

Cliff, it's going on about Mao again. Change the record you *****-swilling
maniac.

"Red Cross ultimatum to US"?

Humm.. What kinda army does the Red Cross have?

??

I say observe international law.

So do the Red Cross.

I heard that Saddam can be let go ( From the radio) - free in less
than a month.

You heard wrong - as a POW he is to be repatriated now "hostilities are
over" (yeah right) or charged for war crimes - almost certailny he will face
teh latter. You see, it's generally regarded as being bad form, against
international law, or "Maoist" if you prefer to hold people indefinitely
without charge, and that's what the Red Cross are pointing out.

''"40 other members of the so-called "pack of cards", "''

Will Saddam start a new country or hook up with NK's Ill for the
nuking of the west?

That's about as likely as you constructing a coherent post.

Release him, charge him or break international law, Bush told

Jonathan Steele in Baghdad
Monday June 14, 2004
The Guardian

Saddam Hussein must either be released from custody by June 30 or

charged if

the US and the new Iraqi government are to conform to international law,

the

International Committee of the Red Cross said last night.
Nada Doumani, a spokeswoman for the ICRC, told the Guardian: "The United

States

defines Saddam Hussein as a prisoner of war. At the end of an occupation

PoWs

have to be released provided they have no penal charges against them."

Her comments came as the international body, the only independent group

with

access to detainees in US custody, becomes increasingly concerned over

the

legal limbo in which thousands of people are being held in the run-up to

the

transfer of power at the end of the month.

The occupation officially ends on June 30 and US forces will be in Iraq

at the

invitation of its sovereign government.

"There are all these people kept in a legal vacuum. No one should be

left not

knowing their legal status. Their judicial rights must be assured," Ms

Doumani

said.

Saddam and other senior officials of the old regime are the only Iraqi
detainees to have been given PoW status. Hundreds of other Iraqis have

been

seized since the war often, according to critics, on flimsy suspicion

and held

for long periods without charge, usually without their families knowing

for

weeks where they are.

The ICRC visited the notorious Abu Ghraib prison in early June and found

3,291

detainees, including three women and 22 boys under 18. This was less

than half

the 6,527 it found in March.

President George Bush has promised to close the prison where US guards

indulged

in pornographic abuse of prisoners and several groups of releases have

taken

place since. But many prisoners have been transferred to other prisons.

The ICRC is angry that it has not been given exact figures for releases

or the

whereabouts of those who are moved from Abu Ghraib and it is hoping the

end of

the occupation will put pressure on the authorities to clean up their

act. "If

we consider the occupation ends on June 30, that would mean it's the end

of the

international armed conflict. This is the legal situation.

"When the conflict ends the prisoners of war should be released

according to

the Geneva conventions," Ms Doumani said.

She accepted that US and other foreign forces would remain in Iraq.

Whether that meant an occupation continued would be "determined by the
situation on the ground". The presence of foreign forces ought to be

governed

by a legal agreement with the host government.

The ICRC has made at least two visits to the former Iraqi president who

is

believed to be in a special prison at Baghdad airport.

Around 40 other members of the so-called "pack of cards", Washington's

list of

high-level members of the former regime, are also there, most in

solitary

confinement.

Interrogation has been sporadic and none has been charged or allowed

visits by

their lawyers. A few have had family visits.

They include scientists who were never members of the Ba'ath party, like

Dr

Amer al Saadi, who was the Iraqi government's liaison with the United

Nations'

weapons inspectors.

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We Are The Future - Child Charities
Raising funds to benefit boys and girls in war-torn cities....

wearethefuture.com

Children International - Sponsor a Child
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children.org

Please Help Feed These Children
For the past 8 years I have ministered to the children and...

godslivingwordsministries.org
Family members claim they are being deliberately held without trial so

as to

be punished even in the absence of evidence of wrongdoing.

US lawyers have been helping Iraqis prepare charges against Saddam but
officials say they do not expect a trial until next year at the

earliest. The

US and the Iraqi authorities hope other defendants will first testify

against

him.

But none has been willing to do so. Whether it is out of loyalty or fear

of

retribution by Saddam's sympathisers is not clear.

Once charged the former president will be entitled to judicial

guarantees

including access to a lawyer and the right to prepare a defence.

The US has made clear it will continue to detain some Iraqis after the

transfer

of sovereignty as part of its security operations.

.


User: "Tadapope"

Title: Re: Red Cross ultimatum to US on Saddam 14 Jun 2004 10:53:55 AM
I predict he will be released and move to Costa Rico to live
in rich splendor with the billions of US dollars he's had
hidden on a small offshore bank there --- while the US Supreme
Court debates what to charge him with and the JOINT houses
hold hearings on it all.
If a Moose cast it's reflection in the lake it's standing in
does that mean the Sun shines above?
.

User: "Woodswun"

Title: Re: Red Cross ultimatum to US on Saddam 14 Jun 2004 05:19:12 PM
In article <20040614113714.00400.00001056@mb-m14.aol.com>,
(TonyZ2001) wrote:

Red Cross ultimatum to US on Saddam

Release him, charge him or break international law, Bush told

Jonathan Steele in Baghdad
Monday June 14, 2004
The Guardian

Saddam Hussein must either be released from custody by June 30 or charged if
the US and the new Iraqi government are to conform to international law, the
International Committee of the Red Cross said last night.
Nada Doumani, a spokeswoman for the ICRC, told the Guardian: "The United States
defines Saddam Hussein as a prisoner of war. At the end of an occupation PoWs
have to be released provided they have no penal charges against them."

Looks like Bush has a classic double-edged sword - if he fails to extricate, at
least on paper, the US from Iraq during an election year (read: follows through
on the handover), he'll perceived as having gotten us into another Viet Nam; if
he does follow through on the handover, then he's got to release Saddam, whom he
claimed was so evil.
I'm guessing that Bush is likely to go for breaking international law, which he
doesn't seem to think applies to him.
Woods
.


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