All Beasts in Daniel were Empires (Babylone, Greece, Rome).
Revelation's Beast has 7 heads and this Beasts body parts is composed
of all the Beasts in Daniel therefore the heads are the 7 Empires
throughout History:
1. Babylone 2.Persia 3. Greece 4. Rome 5. Mongol China(+Attila) 6.
Ottoman Turkey
1. Revelation's 666 Beast is an Empire that is, is not, and is to come
(Meaning it's an Empire than will reappear twice in History).
2. Revelation's Beast has seven heads and of each 7 kings, the 666
Beast is also of the seven (heads & kings) previous empires but also
an eight (Meaning it's an Empire than will reappear twice in History).
3. Revelation's Beast was a wounded head but now healed (Meaning it's
an Empire than will reappear twice in History).
References:
Rev 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up
out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns
ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
Rev 13:2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his
feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion:
and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.
Rev 13:3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and
his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the
beast.
Rev 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend
out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell
on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of
life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that
was, and is not, and yet is.
Rev 17:9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are
seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
Rev 17:10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and
the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a
short space.
Rev 17:11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth,
and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.
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20 Jul 2004 05:56:14 PM |
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(Peter K.) wrote in message news:<7f35df4b.0407192046.7ec07bbd@posting.google.com>...
All Beasts in Daniel were Empires (Babylone, Greece, Rome).
That is if goes along with the Ellen Whites orthodoxy, but why bother
with an old erroneous take from 1870?
Revelation's Beast has 7 heads and this Beasts body parts is composed
of all the Beasts in Daniel therefore the heads are the 7 Empires
throughout History:
1. Babylone 2.Persia 3. Greece 4. Rome 5. Mongol China(+Attila) 6.
Ottoman Turkey
The Moghul and Indian Empires do not get a mention or any of the South
American ones or are you just being selective?
So Attila was allied to China was he I thought he was a fefugee from
that area that just kept moving west
1. Revelation's 666 Beast is an Empire that is, is not, and is to come
(Meaning it's an Empire than will reappear twice in History).
Now how is that?
2. Revelation's Beast has seven heads and of each 7 kings, the 666
Beast is also of the seven (heads & kings) previous empires but also
an eight (Meaning it's an Empire than will reappear twice in History).
Now you are repeating yourself
3. Revelation's Beast was a wounded head but now healed (Meaning it's
an Empire than will reappear twice in History).
And again, what is this instant replay?
References:
As usual no names, or dates, or body counts bet, you are WRONG!
LB
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| User: "Peter K." |
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21 Jul 2004 07:48:48 PM |
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(Leigh_Bee) wrote in message news:<39cd5fe.0407201456.58315dc4@posting.google.com>...
guskz@hotmail.com (Peter K.) wrote in message news:<7f35df4b.0407192046.7ec07bbd@posting.google.com>...
All Beasts in Daniel were Empires (Babylone, Greece, Rome).
That is if goes along with the Ellen Whites orthodoxy, but why bother
with an old erroneous take from 1870?
Revelation's Beast has 7 heads and this Beasts body parts is composed
of all the Beasts in Daniel therefore the heads are the 7 Empires
throughout History:
1. Babylone 2.Persia 3. Greece 4. Rome 5. Mongol China(+Attila) 6.
Ottoman Turkey
The Moghul and Indian Empires do not get a mention or any of the South
American ones or are you just being selective?
An Empire is a group of nations and in Daniel it was *always* centered
on Empires conquering the Isreal and it's neigbhors in the middle
east:
Babylone, Persia, Greece, Rome, Mongol,Ottoman
So Attila was allied to China was he I thought he was a fefugee from
that area that just kept moving west
Correct, but the huns origins are from East Asia.
1. Revelation's 666 Beast is an Empire that is, is not, and is to come
(Meaning it's an Empire than will reappear twice in History).
Now how is that?
2. Revelation's Beast has seven heads and of each 7 kings, the 666
Beast is also of the seven (heads & kings) previous empires but also
an eight (Meaning it's an Empire than will reappear twice in History).
Now you are repeating yourself
3. Revelation's Beast was a wounded head but now healed (Meaning it's
an Empire than will reappear twice in History).
And again, what is this instant replay?
Revelation's repeats itself in Rev.12 the Dragon chases after the
woman twice were she goes and hides in the desert. As well Christ is
born and ascends to heaven in Rev.12 and yet all the seven seals and
trumpets have already occured in previous chapters:
6th Seal at Rev6:14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is
rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their
places.
References:
As usual no names, or dates, or body counts bet, you are WRONG!
LB
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| User: "Leigh_Bee" |
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22 Jul 2004 06:28:12 AM |
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(Peter K.) wrote in message news:<7f35df4b.0407211648.634019c4@posting.google.com>...
leigh8bee@optusnet.com.au (Leigh_Bee) wrote in message news:<39cd5fe.0407201456.58315dc4@posting.google.com>...
(Peter K.) wrote in message news:<7f35df4b.0407192046.7ec07bbd@posting.google.com>...
All Beasts in Daniel were Empires (Babylone, Greece, Rome).
That is if goes along with the Ellen Whites orthodoxy, but why bother
with an old erroneous take from 1870?
Revelation's Beast has 7 heads and this Beasts body parts is composed
of all the Beasts in Daniel therefore the heads are the 7 Empires
throughout History:
1. Babylone 2.Persia 3. Greece 4. Rome 5. Mongol China(+Attila) 6.
Ottoman Turkey
The Moghul and Indian Empires do not get a mention or any of the South
American ones or are you just being selective?
An Empire is a group of nations and in Daniel it was *always* centered
on Empires conquering the Isreal and it's neigbhors in the middle
east:
Babylone, Persia, Greece, Rome, Mongol,Ottoman
So where is Egypt then?
And again, what is this instant replay?
Revelation's repeats itself in Rev.12 the Dragon chases after the
woman twice were she goes and hides in the desert. As well Christ is
born and ascends to heaven in Rev.12 and yet all the seven seals and
trumpets have already occured in previous chapters:
What supports this theory?
6th Seal at Rev6:14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is
rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their
places.
But you still cannot cite a chronology of events.
LB
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| User: "Peter K." |
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22 Jul 2004 05:34:15 PM |
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(Leigh_Bee) wrote in message news:<39cd5fe.0407220328.6d8d0ce3@posting.google.com>...
guskz@hotmail.com (Peter K.) wrote in message news:<7f35df4b.0407211648.634019c4@posting.google.com>...
(Leigh_Bee) wrote in message news:<39cd5fe.0407201456.58315dc4@posting.google.com>...
guskz@hotmail.com (Peter K.) wrote in message news:<7f35df4b.0407192046.7ec07bbd@posting.google.com>...
All Beasts in Daniel were Empires (Babylone, Greece, Rome).
That is if goes along with the Ellen Whites orthodoxy, but why bother
with an old erroneous take from 1870?
Revelation's Beast has 7 heads and this Beasts body parts is composed
of all the Beasts in Daniel therefore the heads are the 7 Empires
throughout History:
1. Babylone 2.Persia 3. Greece 4. Rome 5. Mongol China(+Attila) 6.
Ottoman Turkey
The Moghul and Indian Empires do not get a mention or any of the South
American ones or are you just being selective?
An Empire is a group of nations and in Daniel it was *always* centered
on Empires conquering the Isreal and it's neigbhors in the middle
east:
Babylone, Persia, Greece, Rome, Mongol,Ottoman
So where is Egypt then?
Good question as well as Syria's evil Antioch.
Daniel's statue and beasts specifically target Rome as the 4th beast
(therefore 4th Empire) with Iron teeth and 4th part of the statue with
two legs of iron (therefore West Roman Catholic Pope vs East Orhodox
Constantine and much latter after Christ's death) .
Daniel says Greece becomes subdivided into 4 wings where as two are
the King of the North (Syria) and the King of the South (Egypt) so I
presume it was a shared indivual power so God in Daniel did not
classify it as an Empire.
What is strange is in Daniel chap.11 and chap.7&8 immediately after
Greece's subdivision (embedded with inter-wars) comes the evil little
horn which is part of the 4th Beast and that Christ wars with.
Daniel 7:7 After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth
beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great
iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue
with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were
before it; and it had ten horns.
8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them
another ***little horn***, before whom there were three of the first
horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes
like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.
(These 10 horns of the 4th Beast are believed to be the final 10 toes
of Daniel's statue but take away 3 and add 1 = 8 where as revelation's
Beasts keeps intermixing between the number 7 and 10 for horns or
crowns or heads except for the 666 Beast Empire which is, is not but
shall return and which is part of the 7 but also an eight).
Daniel 8:8 Therefore the he goat waxed very great: and when he was
strong, the great horn was broken; and for it came up four notable
ones toward the four winds of heaven. 9 And out of one of them came
forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south,
and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land
Single horn goat is Greece becomes subdivided into 4 winds = North,
South , East, West (North = Antioch's Syria and South = Egypt)...but
then immediately after in verse 9 comes the little horn waxing east
and south (therefore the little horn comes from the North or the
West).
And again, what is this instant replay?
Revelation's repeats itself in Rev.12 the Dragon chases after the
woman twice were she goes and hides in the desert. As well Christ is
born and ascends to heaven in Rev.12 and yet all the seven seals and
trumpets have already occured in previous chapters:
What supports this theory?
6th Seal at Rev6:14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is
rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their
places.
But you still cannot cite a chronology of events.
LB
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| User: "Leigh_Bee" |
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23 Jul 2004 06:49:57 AM |
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(Peter K.) wrote in message news:<7f35df4b.0407221434.39a7d65a@posting.google.com>...
leigh8bee@optusnet.com.au (Leigh_Bee) wrote in message news:<39cd5fe.0407220328.6d8d0ce3@posting.google.com>...
(Peter K.) wrote in message news:<7f35df4b.0407211648.634019c4@posting.google.com>...
leigh8bee@optusnet.com.au (Leigh_Bee) wrote in message news:<39cd5fe.0407201456.58315dc4@posting.google.com>...
(Peter K.) wrote in message news:<7f35df4b.0407192046.7ec07bbd@posting.google.com>...
All Beasts in Daniel were Empires (Babylone, Greece, Rome).
That is if goes along with the Ellen Whites orthodoxy, but why bother
with an old erroneous take from 1870?
Revelation's Beast has 7 heads and this Beasts body parts is composed
of all the Beasts in Daniel therefore the heads are the 7 Empires
throughout History:
1. Babylone 2.Persia 3. Greece 4. Rome 5. Mongol China(+Attila) 6.
Ottoman Turkey
The Moghul and Indian Empires do not get a mention or any of the South
American ones or are you just being selective?
An Empire is a group of nations and in Daniel it was *always* centered
on Empires conquering the Isreal and it's neigbhors in the middle
east:
Babylone, Persia, Greece, Rome, Mongol,Ottoman
So where is Egypt then?
Good question as well as Syria's evil Antioch.
Daniel's statue and beasts specifically target Rome as the 4th beast
(therefore 4th Empire) with Iron teeth and 4th part of the statue with
two legs of iron (therefore West Roman Catholic Pope vs East Orhodox
Constantine and much latter after Christ's death) .
Really it still does not set out much besides comditions are not right
yet there is still much to happen before such events can take place,
in Biblical terms the best bet is
28 Then in the east you will suddenly see a fearsome sight. 29 Arab
armies with many chariots will advance like dragons. As soon as they
start out, the sound of their hissing will spread across the world and
bring fear and trembling to everyone who hears it.
30 The Carmonians will come out of the forest in a fierce rage like
wild boars advancing in full strength to attack the dragons. With
their tusks they will tear up a large Part of Assyria, 31 but the
dragons will unite their forces, regain their former strength, and win
the victory. They will turn and pursue the wild boars, 32 who will be
thrown into panic. Beaten into silence, and forced to turn and run.
33 wild boars will be ambushed in Assyria, and one of them will be
killed. This will bring fear and panic to their army and indecision
to their kings. Then suddenly clouds terrible, angry storm
clouds—will cover the sky from one end to the other. 35 they will
collide head-on and release their
Violence upon the earth. The blood of war will be as deep as a
horse's belly 36 or a man's thigh or a camel's knee. Everywhere on
earth people will tremble in fear at the horrible sight. 38 great
storm clouds will move in from the north and the south, and others
from the west. 3 But the winds from the east will prevail and push
back those angry storm clouds that were about to bring destruction. d
40-41 Huge, powerful, angry storm
clouds will arise and ruin the whole world and its people. A terrible
storm of fire, hail, and flashing swords will come sweeping down on
those who have power and authority e Every river will overflow into
the fields, and the floods 42 will demolish cities, walls, mountains,
hills, forests, and crops. -" This destruction will press on until it
reaches Babylon and engulfs it in a raging storm of ruin. The dust
and the smoke will form a great cloud reaching to the sky, and all the
neighboring cities will mourn for Babylon. 46 Anyone who survives
will become a slave to those who destroyed the city.
LB
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22 Jul 2004 05:47:03 PM |
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All Beasts in Daniel were Empires (Babylone, Greece, Rome).
That is if goes along with the Ellen Whites orthodoxy, but why bother
with an old erroneous take from 1870?
Revelation's Beast has 7 heads and this Beasts body parts is composed
of all the Beasts in Daniel therefore the heads are the 7 Empires
throughout History:
1. Babylone 2.Persia 3. Greece 4. Rome 5. Mongol China(+Attila) 6.
Ottoman Turkey
The Moghul and Indian Empires do not get a mention or any of the South
American ones or are you just being selective?
An Empire is a group of nations and in Daniel it was *always* centered
on Empires conquering the Isreal and it's neigbhors in the middle
east:
Babylone, Persia, Greece, Rome, Mongol,Ottoman
So where is Egypt then?
Good question as well as Syria's evil Antioch.
Daniel's statue and beasts specifically target Rome as the 4th beast
(therefore 4th Empire) with Iron teeth and 4th part of the statue with
two legs of iron (therefore West Roman Catholic Pope vs East Orhodox
Constantine and much latter after Christ's death) .
Daniel says Greece becomes subdivided into 4 wings where as two are
the King of the North (Syria) and the King of the South (Egypt) so I
presume it was a shared indivual power so God in Daniel did not
classify it as an Empire.
What is strange is in Daniel chap.11 and chap.7&8 immediately after
Greece's subdivision (embedded with inter-wars) comes the evil little
horn which is part of the 4th Beast and that Christ wars with.
Daniel 7:7 After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth
beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great
iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue
with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were
before it; and it had ten horns.
8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them
another ***little horn***, before whom there were three of the first
horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes
like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.
(These 10 horns of the 4th Beast are believed to be the final 10 toes
of Daniel's statue but take away 3 and add 1 = 8 where as revelation's
Beasts keeps intermixing between the number 7 and 10 for horns or
crowns or heads except for the 666 Beast Empire which is, is not but
shall return and which is part of the 7 but also an eight).
Daniel 8:8 Therefore the he goat waxed very great: and when he was
strong, the great horn was broken; and for it came up four notable
ones toward the four winds of heaven. 9 And out of one of them came
forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south,
and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land
Single horn goat is Greece becomes subdivided into 4 winds = North,
South , East, West (North = Antioch's Syria and South = Egypt)...but
then immediately after in verse 9 comes the little horn waxing east
and south (therefore the little horn comes from the North or the
West).
And again, what is this instant replay?
Revelation's repeats itself in Rev.12 the Dragon chases after the
woman twice were she goes and hides in the desert. As well Christ is
born and ascends to heaven in Rev.12 and yet all the seven seals and
trumpets have already occured in previous chapters:
What supports this theory?
Rev 12:4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and
did cast them to the earth(***A*** repeat): and the dragon stood
before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her
child as soon as it was born.
5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with
a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his
throne.
6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place
prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two
hundred and threescore days(***B*** repeat).
Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called
the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out
into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him (same as ***A***
repeat the 1/3 of the stars are ALL the angels that rebelled with
Satan against God...there are 4 beasts in heaven: Satan the past
archangel had one heavenly beast empire division with 1/3 of all
angels....the exact number is also in revelations) .
Rev5:11 And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about
the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was
ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands; (this is
2/3 of heaven's remaining angels the others where under Satan's
supervision whom God compared to the largest mother tree of lebanon).
Rev 12:14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that
she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is
nourished for a time, and times, and half a time (***same as B
repeat***, from the face of the serpent.
6th Seal at Rev6:14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is
rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their
places.
But you still cannot cite a chronology of events.
Clearly not since Christ is born in Rev.12 where as the Earth rolls up
like a scroll much earlier in Rev.6....I believe the chronology is the
666: 6th seal, 6th trumpet and then 6th vial (then fallowed by the 7th
seal,trumpet,vial)....
LB
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| User: "Misty" |
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21 Jul 2004 04:37:52 AM |
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Peter K. wrote:
All Beasts in Daniel were Empires (Babylone, Greece, Rome).
Revelation's Beast has 7 heads and this Beasts body parts is composed
of all the Beasts in Daniel therefore the heads are the 7 Empires
throughout History:
1. Babylone 2.Persia 3. Greece 4. Rome 5. Mongol China(+Attila) 6.
Ottoman Turkey
1. Revelation's 666 Beast is an Empire that is, is not, and is to come
(Meaning it's an Empire than will reappear twice in History).
Did not the Papacy receive it's deadly wound in 1798, that put an end to it's
power?
Was not that power restored on a much smaller basis in 1929?
Is this not it coming into being "TWICE"?
Misty,
2. Revelation's Beast has seven heads and of each 7 kings, the 666
Beast is also of the seven (heads & kings) previous empires but also
an eight (Meaning it's an Empire than will reappear twice in History).
3. Revelation's Beast was a wounded head but now healed (Meaning it's
an Empire than will reappear twice in History).
References:
Rev 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up
out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns
ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
Rev 13:2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his
feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion:
and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.
Rev 13:3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and
his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the
beast.
Rev 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend
out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell
on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of
life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that
was, and is not, and yet is.
Rev 17:9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are
seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
Rev 17:10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and
the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a
short space.
Rev 17:11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth,
and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.
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| User: "Peter K." |
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21 Jul 2004 07:40:42 PM |
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Misty <""yardholler\"@Nospam,charter.net> wrote in message news:<10fse42q161es7a@corp.supernews.com>...
Peter K. wrote:
All Beasts in Daniel were Empires (Babylone, Greece, Rome).
Revelation's Beast has 7 heads and this Beasts body parts is composed
of all the Beasts in Daniel therefore the heads are the 7 Empires
throughout History:
1. Babylone 2.Persia 3. Greece 4. Rome 5. Mongol China(+Attila) 6.
Ottoman Turkey
1. Revelation's 666 Beast is an Empire that is, is not, and is to come
(Meaning it's an Empire than will reappear twice in History).
Did not the Papacy receive it's deadly wound in 1798, that put an end to it's
power?
Was not that power restored on a much smaller basis in 1929?
Is this not it coming into being "TWICE"?
Yes that one also is pausible but not definitive, as well I believe
you once applied the wound to 525 AD and Rome's dismise replaced by
the Pope.
Misty,
2. Revelation's Beast has seven heads and of each 7 kings, the 666
Beast is also of the seven (heads & kings) previous empires but also
an eight (Meaning it's an Empire than will reappear twice in History).
3. Revelation's Beast was a wounded head but now healed (Meaning it's
an Empire than will reappear twice in History).
References:
Rev 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up
out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns
ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
Rev 13:2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his
feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion:
and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.
Rev 13:3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and
his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the
beast.
Rev 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend
out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell
on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of
life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that
was, and is not, and yet is.
Rev 17:9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are
seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
Rev 17:10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and
the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a
short space.
Rev 17:11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth,
and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.
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| User: "Misty" |
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22 Jul 2004 05:12:13 AM |
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Peter K. wrote:
Misty <""yardholler\"@Nospam,charter.net> wrote in message news:<10fse42q161es7a@corp.supernews.com>...
Did not the Papacy receive it's deadly wound in 1798, that put an end to it's
power?
Was not that power restored on a much smaller basis in 1929?
Is this not it coming into being "TWICE"?
Yes that one also is pausible but not definitive, as well I believe
you once applied the wound to 525 AD and Rome's dismise replaced by
the Pope.
No, in 538 "THE MAN OF SIN", showed himself as he took the Roman throne
as the first pope and The leader of the Roman Papal Schism that ruled as a
different kind of Kingdom as stated in Daniel, Every pope from then on became
"the man of sin" to begin that prophecy that lasted the Prophetic 1260 Days,
Which is also 1260 literal years in History.
That time period was known as "THE GREAT TRIBULATION", in the bible.
In history it was known as "THE DARK AGES".
Misty,
Misty,
2. Revelation's Beast has seven heads and of each 7 kings, the 666
Beast is also of the seven (heads & kings) previous empires but also
an eight (Meaning it's an Empire than will reappear twice in History).
3. Revelation's Beast was a wounded head but now healed (Meaning it's
an Empire than will reappear twice in History).
References:
Rev 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up
out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns
ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
Rev 13:2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his
feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion:
and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.
Rev 13:3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and
his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the
beast.
Rev 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend
out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell
on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of
life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that
was, and is not, and yet is.
Rev 17:9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are
seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
Rev 17:10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and
the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a
short space.
Rev 17:11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth,
and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.
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| User: "Peter K." |
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24 Jul 2004 12:28:42 PM |
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Misty <""yardholler\"@Nospam,charter.net> wrote in message news:<10fv4gb6ea64aa4@corp.supernews.com>...
Peter K. wrote:
Misty <""yardholler\"@Nospam,charter.net> wrote in message news:<10fse42q161es7a@corp.supernews.com>...
Did not the Papacy receive it's deadly wound in 1798, that put an end to it's
power?
Was not that power restored on a much smaller basis in 1929?
Is this not it coming into being "TWICE"?
Yes that one also is pausible but not definitive, as well I believe
you once applied the wound to 525 AD and Rome's dismise replaced by
the Pope.
No, in 538 "THE MAN OF SIN", showed himself as he took the Roman throne
as the first pope and The leader of the Roman Papal Schism that ruled as a
different kind of Kingdom as stated in Daniel, Every pope from then on became
"the man of sin" to begin that prophecy that lasted the Prophetic 1260 Days,
Which is also 1260 literal years in History.
That time period was known as "THE GREAT TRIBULATION", in the bible.
In history it was known as "THE DARK AGES".
Misty,
1. Everything is possible, fact the Savior verbally attacked the
enslaven Jews rather than Rome's Orgy Power and promissed that they
would be squattered from the hen for their sins and Jerusalem
desolated.
2. Fact: he was leaving and made Peter the Head, Foundation,
Iniatiator and Propagator of his ministry. Likewise Peter was
obligated to do the same at his departure. A head is not nescessarily
evil, archangels such as Micheal and Satan are heads over specific
groups of angels: In Revelations they're are possibly the Beasts in
Heaven at the opening of the seals.
3. "A Clergy made Hierarchy (self power) could be evil: the killing of
Galilean Astromers, burning of wiches/Joanne of Arc...(then again
overwhelming demonic witchcraft/terrorism may require harsh subjection
to overcome and God himself ordains the burning/stoning of
prostitutes, incest, homosexuals...)
4. The Pope's removal in 1798 AD by Napoleons, Napoleon was no Angel
and himself more of a self made Emperor Antichrist trying to regroup
the ten toes into his empire. And their remained Pope althrough the
1800s and the Pope states where returned even before Musolini. Christ
himself is supposed to destroy the Antichrist from the sky after a
period of 1260.....this has not happened.
Misty,
2. Revelation's Beast has seven heads and of each 7 kings, the 666
Beast is also of the seven (heads & kings) previous empires but also
an eight (Meaning it's an Empire than will reappear twice in History).
3. Revelation's Beast was a wounded head but now healed (Meaning it's
an Empire than will reappear twice in History).
References:
Rev 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up
out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns
ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
Rev 13:2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his
feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion:
and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.
Rev 13:3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and
his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the
beast.
Rev 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend
out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell
on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of
life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that
was, and is not, and yet is.
Rev 17:9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are
seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
Rev 17:10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and
the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a
short space.
Rev 17:11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth,
and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.
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| User: "Peter K." |
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24 Jul 2004 01:38:12 PM |
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Misty <""yardholler\"@Nospam,charter.net> wrote in message news:<10fv4gb6ea64aa4@corp.supernews.com>...
Peter K. wrote:
Misty <""yardholler\"@Nospam,charter.net> wrote in message news:<10fse42q161es7a@corp.supernews.com>...
Did not the Papacy receive it's deadly wound in 1798, that put an end to it's
power?
Was not that power restored on a much smaller basis in 1929?
Is this not it coming into being "TWICE"?
Yes that one also is pausible but not definitive, as well I believe
you once applied the wound to 525 AD and Rome's dismise replaced by
the Pope.
No, in 538 "THE MAN OF SIN", showed himself as he took the Roman throne
as the first pope and The leader of the Roman Papal Schism that ruled as a
different kind of Kingdom as stated in Daniel, Every pope from then on became
"the man of sin" to begin that prophecy that lasted the Prophetic 1260 Days,
Which is also 1260 literal years in History.
That time period was known as "THE GREAT TRIBULATION", in the bible.
In history it was known as "THE DARK AGES".
Misty,
Anything is possible, even Gods chosen people were condemned and
rejected (and they rejected) by their long awaited Messiah.
It's possible the Beast that is, is not (wounded head) and is to come
for a short while maybe the Popes for Malachy's Popes have only TWO
more Popes till the End of Times and Popes maximum average Life Span
is 30 years.
Misty,
2. Revelation's Beast has seven heads and of each 7 kings, the 666
Beast is also of the seven (heads & kings) previous empires but also
an eight (Meaning it's an Empire than will reappear twice in History).
3. Revelation's Beast was a wounded head but now healed (Meaning it's
an Empire than will reappear twice in History).
References:
Rev 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up
out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns
ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
Rev 13:2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his
feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion:
and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.
Rev 13:3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and
his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the
beast.
Rev 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend
out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell
on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of
life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that
was, and is not, and yet is.
Rev 17:9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are
seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
Rev 17:10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and
the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a
short space.
Rev 17:11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth,
and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.
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| User: "bryan" |
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| Title: Re: Revelation of Revelation's 666 Beast |
24 Jul 2004 05:39:23 PM |
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(Peter K.) wrote in message news:<7f35df4b.0407241038.cd51816@posting.google.com>...
Misty <""yardholler\"@Nospam,charter.net> wrote in message news:<10fv4gb6ea64aa4@corp.supernews.com>...
Peter K. wrote:
Misty <""yardholler\"@Nospam,charter.net> wrote in message news:<10fse42q161es7a@corp.supernews.com>...
Did not the Papacy receive it's deadly wound in 1798, that put an end to it's
power?
Was not that power restored on a much smaller basis in 1929?
Is this not it coming into being "TWICE"?
Yes that one also is pausible but not definitive, as well I believe
you once applied the wound to 525 AD and Rome's dismise replaced by
the Pope.
No, in 538 "THE MAN OF SIN", showed himself as he took the Roman throne
as the first pope and The leader of the Roman Papal Schism that ruled as a
different kind of Kingdom as stated in Daniel, Every pope from then on became
"the man of sin" to begin that prophecy that lasted the Prophetic 1260 Days,
Which is also 1260 literal years in History.
That time period was known as "THE GREAT TRIBULATION", in the bible.
In history it was known as "THE DARK AGES".
Misty,
Anything is possible, even Gods chosen people were condemned and
rejected (and they rejected) by their long awaited Messiah.
It's possible the Beast that is, is not (wounded head) and is to come
for a short while maybe the Popes for Malachy's Popes have only TWO
more Popes till the End of Times and Popes maximum average Life Span
is 30 years.
Misty,
2. Revelation's Beast has seven heads and of each 7 kings, the 666
Beast is also of the seven (heads & kings) previous empires but also
an eight (Meaning it's an Empire than will reappear twice in History).
3. Revelation's Beast was a wounded head but now healed (Meaning it's
an Empire than will reappear twice in History).
References:
Rev 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up
out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns
ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
Rev 13:2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his
feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion:
and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.
Rev 13:3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and
his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the
beast.
Rev 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend
out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell
on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of
life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that
was, and is not, and yet is.
Rev 17:9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are
seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
Rev 17:10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and
the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a
short space.
Rev 17:11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth,
and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.
At Christ's second coming the earth will be renovated. Upon this
renovated earth the apostles will have a prominent place in ruling
over the saints. "a pre-mill view"
[/i]The fatal objection to this interpretation is that this takes
place during the reigning of the Son of man. It is during the reign of
Christ in His Messianic capacity. At His second coming He delivers the
kingdom to the Father as it states in 1 Corinthians 15:24 "Then cometh
the end, when He shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the
Father; when He shall have put down all rule and all authority and
power." The Messianic reign ceases at the secong coming. This is
stated in verse 28 of the same chapter: "And when all things shall be
subdued unto Him, then shall the Son also Himself be subject unto Him
that put all things under Him, that God may be all in all." "a
post-mill view"[/b]
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| User: "bryan" |
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| Title: Re: Revelation of Revelation's 666 Beast |
24 Jul 2004 05:44:24 PM |
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(Peter K.) wrote in message news:<7f35df4b.0407241038.cd51816@posting.google.com>...
Misty <""yardholler\"@Nospam,charter.net> wrote in message news:<10fv4gb6ea64aa4@corp.supernews.com>...
Peter K. wrote:
Misty <""yardholler\"@Nospam,charter.net> wrote in message news:<10fse42q161es7a@corp.supernews.com>...
Did not the Papacy receive it's deadly wound in 1798, that put an end to it's
power?
Was not that power restored on a much smaller basis in 1929?
Is this not it coming into being "TWICE"?
Yes that one also is pausible but not definitive, as well I believe
you once applied the wound to 525 AD and Rome's dismise replaced by
the Pope.
No, in 538 "THE MAN OF SIN", showed himself as he took the Roman throne
as the first pope and The leader of the Roman Papal Schism that ruled as a
different kind of Kingdom as stated in Daniel, Every pope from then on became
"the man of sin" to begin that prophecy that lasted the Prophetic 1260 Days,
Which is also 1260 literal years in History.
That time period was known as "THE GREAT TRIBULATION", in the bible.
In history it was known as "THE DARK AGES".
Misty,
Anything is possible, even Gods chosen people were condemned and
rejected (and they rejected) by their long awaited Messiah.
It's possible the Beast that is, is not (wounded head) and is to come
for a short while maybe the Popes for Malachy's Popes have only TWO
more Popes till the End of Times and Popes maximum average Life Span
is 30 years.
Misty,
2. Revelation's Beast has seven heads and of each 7 kings, the 666
Beast is also of the seven (heads & kings) previous empires but also
an eight (Meaning it's an Empire than will reappear twice in History).
3. Revelation's Beast was a wounded head but now healed (Meaning it's
an Empire than will reappear twice in History).
References:
Rev 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up
out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns
ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
Rev 13:2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his
feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion:
and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.
Rev 13:3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and
his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the
beast.
Rev 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend
out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell
on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of
life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that
was, and is not, and yet is.
Rev 17:9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are
seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
Rev 17:10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and
the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a
short space.
Rev 17:11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth,
and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.
I just wanted to give another point of view if you don't mind, thank
you, i will follow up in the next day or two.
The first beast is pagan Rome-He is described as "like unto a leopard,
and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of
a lion."
For several centuries under the leadership of cruel Emperors, pagan
Rome persecuted the Christian Church. An incidental verification of
the fact that it was the persecution by pagan Rome is seen in the use
of the verb "behead." It means literally "to cut off with an axe."
This was the Roman method of execution.
The second beast is described in Revelation 13 as one who "had two
horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon." This is papal Rome. It
is the Roman Catholic Church which is described by this figure. The
second beast,however,is not referred to in our verse. It refers to the
first beast and it's Image. The image of the first beast is the Holy
Roman Empire. This was an Empire that sought to bring back the old
Roman Empire. It is a matter of history that the Papacy sought to use
the Holy Roman Empire to persecute true Christians. It may be well to
point out that there were those who lived during the reignof the two
beasts who were not martyred. Throught all there sufferings,
nevertheless, thay did not worship the beast, neither his Image,
neither received his mark upon their foreheads or in there hands. The
mark implies likeness in spirit and character. In spite of all
pressure used against them thay remained Christian in spirit and
character.
Revelation 13 to 19 gives a description and history of the beast and
the false prophet. Thay embody and represent two anti-Christian forces
which persecuted the Christian Church. As we search into history we
may say that there were three great persecutions experienced by the
Church this time. The first was from the Jews which sought to crush
the Christian Church in it's infancy. The second was pagan Rome which
sought to stamp out the Christian faith in the first three centuries.
The third was that of papal Rome.
The first persecution which appeared from the moment that Christ was
born upon the earth is described in Revelation 12 which is that of the
Jewish nation. Then in Chapter 13 a beast appears upon the scean. This
was the next persecuting power-the pagan Roman Empire. It is described
in Revalation 13:2 as being like a lepard,bear,and lion. This points
back to the vision of the prophet Danial in the 17th chapter of his
book. He describes four great beasts arising out of the sea. The first
was like a lion, the second was like a bear, and the third like a
leopard.The fourth was the most terrible. The fourth beast of Danial 7
was the fourth Empire from the time of Danial. This was the Roman
Empire which Danial states was greater than the three previous
empires: Babylon, Medo-Persia, and Greece. This John indicates by
stating that this Beast was like a leopard, and his feet were as the
feet of a bear, and his mouth that of a lion. That is, the Roman
Empire combined the vastness, the power, and the ferociousness of the
three previous Empires. Actually the Roman Empire was the sixth head
of the Drogon which had seven heads. The seven represent the seven
pagan empires that have opposed themselves to the true God. Although
thay come at different times on the scene of history yet thay are one
beast animated by the same opposition to true religion. This sixth
head received a fatal wound. but this deadly wound was healed. The
Roman Empire died in the year 476 but was revived again under
Charlemagne in 800. It became the main support of the False Prophet
or, as it is pictured to us with another figure of speech, the harlot
woman seated upon a scarlet colored beast.
The first beast was defeated by the year 313 when Christianity
defeated pagan Rome. The False Prophet was defeated at the time of the
Reformation when the papacy received a fatal stroke. We must remember,
of course that the Revelation images are used which do not give us the
proper conception of time. For instance, the red dragon with seven
heads represents seven empires and covers centuries of time. So when
we read in Revelation 19:20 of the defeat of the Beast and the False
Prophet we must not take that to mean that it occurred in the matter
of a day, month, or year. It covers the course of centuries.
These two enemies were conquered by the word of God. In the
description of the battle in Revelation 19 Christ is pictured as
having a sword coming out of His mouth. That, of course, is the Gospel
as preached by His followers. This is indicated in Revelation 12:11,
"And thay overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by th word of
their testimony." That is how pagan Rome was overcome. That is how the
papacy was defeated during the time of the Reformation. It is by the
power of the Gospel that the beast and the False Prophet were cast
into the lake of fire and brimstone.
That there is still a remnant of paganism and papalism in this world
is chiefly the fault of the Church. The Word of God is just as
powerful in this generation as it was during the early history of the
Church. The power of the Gospel is just as strong in this century as
in the days of the Reformation. These enemies could be completely
vanquished if the Christians of this day and age were as vigorous, as
bold, as earnest, as prayerful, and as faithful as Christians were in
the first several centuries and in the time of the Reformation. bryan
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| User: "Leigh_Bee" |
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| Title: Re: Revelation of Revelation's 666 Beast |
26 Jul 2004 06:38:26 PM |
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(Peter K.) wrote in message news:<7f35df4b.0407241038.cd51816@posting.google.com>...
Misty <""yardholler\"@Nospam,charter.net> wrote in message news:<10fv4gb6ea64aa4@corp.supernews.com>...
Peter K. wrote:
Misty <""yardholler\"@Nospam,charter.net> wrote in message news:<10fse42q161es7a@corp.supernews.com>...
SNIP
Anything is possible, even Gods chosen people were condemned and
rejected (and they rejected) by their long awaited Messiah.
Imagine then the punishments for those not chosen!
It's possible the Beast that is, is not (wounded head) and is to come
for a short while maybe the Popes for Malachy's Popes have only TWO
more Popes till the End of Times and Popes maximum average Life Span
is 30 years.
How do you get a maximum average?
While I am on the subject just how many popes of the 263 of them, have
had a 30 year reign?
LB
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| User: "Peter K." |
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| Title: Re: Revelation of Revelation's 666 Beast |
27 Jul 2004 08:17:01 AM |
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(Leigh_Bee) wrote in message news:<39cd5fe.0407261538.6cb243ff@posting.google.com>...
guskz@hotmail.com (Peter K.) wrote in message news:<7f35df4b.0407241038.cd51816@posting.google.com>...
Misty <""yardholler\"@Nospam,charter.net> wrote in message news:<10fv4gb6ea64aa4@corp.supernews.com>...
Peter K. wrote:
Misty <""yardholler\"@Nospam,charter.net> wrote in message news:<10fse42q161es7a@corp.supernews.com>...
SNIP
Anything is possible, even Gods chosen people were condemned and
rejected (and they rejected) by their long awaited Messiah.
Imagine then the punishments for those not chosen!
It's possible the Beast that is, is not (wounded head) and is to come
for a short while maybe the Popes for Malachy's Popes have only TWO
more Popes till the End of Times and Popes maximum average Life Span
is 30 years.
How do you get a maximum average?
While I am on the subject just how many popes of the 263 of them, have
had a 30 year reign?
LB
There was about 8 to 12 popes with the longest reign which lasted from
about 22 years to 32 years each.
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| User: "Tadapope" |
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27 Jul 2004 07:54:32 PM |
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I've been the Psychedelick Pope for 3
years NOW. Does that count in the
stats?
Tangents are infinite in all of nature in
all 21 universes constantly and at random.
Oh Joy & Lysergically Yours!
Tom
The Psychedelick Pope
Patron Saint of the Internet
Saint Isadore of Laytonville
http://www.apple2.org.za/gswv/me/
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| User: "Misty" |
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| Title: Re: Revelation of Revelation's 666 Beast |
28 Jul 2004 05:16:28 AM |
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Peter K. wrote:
leigh8bee@optusnet.com.au (Leigh_Bee) wrote in message news:<39cd5fe.0407261538.6cb243ff@posting.google.com>...
guskz@hotmail.com (Peter K.) wrote in message news:<7f35df4b.0407241038.cd51816@posting.google.com>...
Imagine then the punishments for those not chosen!
How do you get a maximum average?
While I am on the subject just how many popes of the 263 of them, have
had a 30 year reign?
LB
There was about 8 to 12 popes with the longest reign which lasted from
about 22 years to 32 years each.
kewl but in the end they all got hit in the head with a hammer to make sure they
were dead, didn't they.
Jesus Christ Lives even though Rome Tried to kill him as well as His Saints that believed
in Him.
All the Popes Saints are Dead are they not?
M,
Ps. How many popes were "Female" is a better question don't you think?
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