Russian forces planned to storm school
Tuesday 21 September 2004, 2:12 Makka Time, 23:12 GMT
The head of Russia's FSB security service has admitted that plans were
made to storm the school holding hostages in Beslan, but they were not
ready when the confrontation erupted in violence.
Addressing a special session of the upper house of the Russian legislature
on Monday, FSB chief Nikolai Patrushev said the violence was triggered by
an accidental blast in the school.
The session was called to discuss new Russian security measures and the
situation in the north Caucasus.
"We planned an assault, but we were not ready at that exact moment,"
Federation Council member Alexei Mitrofanov quoted Patrushev as saying.
Patrushev's reported comments marked a departure from remarks by other
Russian officials who had so far stated that there were no plans to use
violence to end the hostage siege at the school in Beslan.
Bloody culmination
The bloody culmination of the confrontation on 3 September involved
exchanges of heavy fire not just between the hostage-takers and security
forces, but also with armed local residents.
The crisis, the deadliest of its kind, resulted in the deaths of at least
339 people, half of them children, as well as the killing of 31 captors.
Russian authorities said there were 354 hostages held in the school while
other reports put the figure at 1200.
Patrushev also brushed off criticism over his absence from the scene,
saying he, like other Russian officials, "feared terrorist strikes in
other regions if they all visited Beslan at the same time".
The Federation Council and the Duma will create a 21-member parliamentary
commission to inquire into the hostage-taking.
Of the 11 chosen from the council, "five have experience of working in the
law and order forces and six are civilians", said council president
Serguei Mironov.
"In selecting them, we took into consideration the right of these people
to access top secret documents," Mironov said, adding that no commission
members would have the right to comment publicly during the enquiry.
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/68F25C42-FA41-4B19-9560-717AE0F85291.htm
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Russian forces planned to storm school
Tuesday 21 September 2004, 2:12 Makka Time, 23:12 GMT
The head of Russia's FSB security service has admitted that plans were
made to storm the school holding hostages in Beslan, but they were not
ready when the confrontation erupted in violence.
Whether or not the Russians planned to storm the school, the ENTIRE blame
for this tragedy lies with the Chechen terrorists! Many of the younger
children were seriously ill with dehydration and would not have lived much
longer.
I see the source of this report is al-jazeera. Interesting.
Jane
Addressing a special session of the upper house of the Russian legislature
on Monday, FSB chief Nikolai Patrushev said the violence was triggered by
an accidental blast in the school.
The session was called to discuss new Russian security measures and the
situation in the north Caucasus.
"We planned an assault, but we were not ready at that exact moment,"
Federation Council member Alexei Mitrofanov quoted Patrushev as saying.
Patrushev's reported comments marked a departure from remarks by other
Russian officials who had so far stated that there were no plans to use
violence to end the hostage siege at the school in Beslan.
Bloody culmination
The bloody culmination of the confrontation on 3 September involved
exchanges of heavy fire not just between the hostage-takers and security
forces, but also with armed local residents.
The crisis, the deadliest of its kind, resulted in the deaths of at least
339 people, half of them children, as well as the killing of 31 captors.
Russian authorities said there were 354 hostages held in the school while
other reports put the figure at 1200.
Patrushev also brushed off criticism over his absence from the scene,
saying he, like other Russian officials, "feared terrorist strikes in
other regions if they all visited Beslan at the same time".
The Federation Council and the Duma will create a 21-member parliamentary
commission to inquire into the hostage-taking.
Of the 11 chosen from the council, "five have experience of working in the
law and order forces and six are civilians", said council president
Serguei Mironov.
"In selecting them, we took into consideration the right of these people
to access top secret documents," Mironov said, adding that no commission
members would have the right to comment publicly during the enquiry.
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/68F25C42-FA41-4B19-9560-717AE0F85291.
htm
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Russian forces planned to storm school
Tuesday 21 September 2004, 2:12 Makka Time, 23:12 GMT
The head of Russia's FSB security service has admitted that plans were
made to storm the school holding hostages in Beslan, but they were not
ready when the confrontation erupted in violence.
Whether or not the Russians planned to storm the school, the ENTIRE blame
for this tragedy lies with the Chechen terrorists! Many of the younger
children were seriously ill with dehydration and would not have lived much
longer.
I see the source of this report is al-jazeera. Interesting.
Jane
Did you read the article? Was there anything in there that wasn't sourced
back to the Soviets themselves?
The source was indeed Al Jazeera, but I honestly can't say I read anything
in the article that praises the terrorists or dismisses the tragedy that
resulted.
Sometimes it doesn't hurt to read up on events from the oppositions
viewpoint. It helps in creating an enviroment of understanding instead of an
enviroment of death and destruction.
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Russian forces planned to storm school
Tuesday 21 September 2004, 2:12 Makka Time, 23:12 GMT
The head of Russia's FSB security service has admitted that plans were
made to storm the school holding hostages in Beslan, but they were not
ready when the confrontation erupted in violence.
Whether or not the Russians planned to storm the school, the ENTIRE
blame
for this tragedy lies with the Chechen terrorists! Many of the younger
children were seriously ill with dehydration and would not have lived
much
longer.
I see the source of this report is al-jazeera. Interesting.
Jane
Did you read the article? Was there anything in there that wasn't sourced
back to the Soviets themselves?
The source was indeed Al Jazeera, but I honestly can't say I read anything
in the article that praises the terrorists or dismisses the tragedy that
resulted.
Sometimes it doesn't hurt to read up on events from the oppositions
viewpoint. It helps in creating an enviroment of understanding instead of
an
enviroment of death and destruction.
I read al-jazeera quite often. My real point still is, however, that the
Chechens are solely to blame for this tragedy. Speculation about what the
Russians may have *planned* had things not spun out of control, is
irrelevent.
Jane
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Russian forces planned to storm school
Tuesday 21 September 2004, 2:12 Makka Time, 23:12 GMT
The head of Russia's FSB security service has admitted that plans
were
made to storm the school holding hostages in Beslan, but they were
not
ready when the confrontation erupted in violence.
Whether or not the Russians planned to storm the school, the ENTIRE
blame
for this tragedy lies with the Chechen terrorists! Many of the
younger
children were seriously ill with dehydration and would not have
lived
much
longer.
I see the source of this report is al-jazeera. Interesting.
Jane
Did you read the article? Was there anything in there that wasn't
sourced
back to the Soviets themselves?
The source was indeed Al Jazeera, but I honestly can't say I read
anything
in the article that praises the terrorists or dismisses the tragedy
that
resulted.
Sometimes it doesn't hurt to read up on events from the oppositions
viewpoint. It helps in creating an enviroment of understanding instead
of
an
enviroment of death and destruction.
I read al-jazeera quite often. My real point still is, however, that
the
Chechens are solely to blame for this tragedy. Speculation about what
the
Russians may have *planned* had things not spun out of control, is
irrelevent.
Jane
If you read Al-Jazeera regularly, then you should know that their coverage
of world events is no more, no less inaccurate or biased than most of the
Western mainstream press, especially the big 3--AFP (which this story came
from), AP and Reuters.
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Yeah, that is why they got kicked out of Iraq.
Dumbo *****. They are the incitement tool of the terrorists, and I am
not surprised that some European media, german and French I gather,
emulate their prejudices.
Doesn't make them any better.
J.
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Russian forces planned to storm school
Tuesday 21 September 2004, 2:12 Makka Time, 23:12 GMT
The head of Russia's FSB security service has admitted that plans
were
made to storm the school holding hostages in Beslan, but they were
not
ready when the confrontation erupted in violence.
Whether or not the Russians planned to storm the school, the ENTIRE
blame
for this tragedy lies with the Chechen terrorists! Many of the
younger
children were seriously ill with dehydration and would not have
lived
much
longer.
I see the source of this report is al-jazeera. Interesting.
Jane
Did you read the article? Was there anything in there that wasn't
sourced
back to the Soviets themselves?
The source was indeed Al Jazeera, but I honestly can't say I read
anything
in the article that praises the terrorists or dismisses the tragedy
that
resulted.
Sometimes it doesn't hurt to read up on events from the oppositions
viewpoint. It helps in creating an enviroment of understanding instead
of
an
enviroment of death and destruction.
I read al-jazeera quite often. My real point still is, however, that
the
Chechens are solely to blame for this tragedy. Speculation about what
the
Russians may have *planned* had things not spun out of control, is
irrelevent.
Jane
If you read Al-Jazeera regularly, then you should know that their coverage
of world events is no more, no less inaccurate or biased than most of the
Western mainstream press, especially the big 3--AFP (which this story came
from), AP and Reuters.
Dr. Blunt
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23 Sep 2004 05:01:42 AM |
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On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 01:58:22 GMT, Jean Guernon
<jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote:
Yeah, that is why they got kicked out of Iraq.
Dumbo *****. They are the incitement tool of the terrorists, and I am
not surprised that some European media, german and French I gather,
emulate their prejudices.
Doesn't make them any better.
It certainly lends credence to their journalistic objectivity. No
frills, no spins, no sugar-coated stories to keep the Administration
of the day happy, and the American public on the edge of their seats.
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Russian forces planned to storm school
Tuesday 21 September 2004, 2:12 Makka Time, 23:12 GMT
The head of Russia's FSB security service has admitted that plans
were
made to storm the school holding hostages in Beslan, but they were
not
ready when the confrontation erupted in violence.
Whether or not the Russians planned to storm the school, the ENTIRE
blame
for this tragedy lies with the Chechen terrorists! Many of the
younger
children were seriously ill with dehydration and would not have
lived
much
longer.
I see the source of this report is al-jazeera. Interesting.
Jane
Did you read the article? Was there anything in there that wasn't
sourced
back to the Soviets themselves?
The source was indeed Al Jazeera, but I honestly can't say I read
anything
in the article that praises the terrorists or dismisses the tragedy
that
resulted.
Sometimes it doesn't hurt to read up on events from the oppositions
viewpoint. It helps in creating an enviroment of understanding instead
of
an
enviroment of death and destruction.
I read al-jazeera quite often. My real point still is, however, that
the
Chechens are solely to blame for this tragedy. Speculation about what
the
Russians may have *planned* had things not spun out of control, is
irrelevent.
Jane
If you read Al-Jazeera regularly, then you should know that their coverage
of world events is no more, no less inaccurate or biased than most of the
Western mainstream press, especially the big 3--AFP (which this story came
from), AP and Reuters.
Dr. Blunt
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Cuan a écrit:
On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 01:58:22 GMT, Jean Guernon
<jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote:
Yeah, that is why they got kicked out of Iraq.
Dumbo *****. They are the incitement tool of the terrorists, and I am
not surprised that some European media, german and French I gather,
emulate their prejudices.
Doesn't make them any better.
It certainly lends credence to their journalistic objectivity. No
frills, no spins, no sugar-coated stories to keep the Administration
of the day happy, and the American public on the edge of their seats.
Only ***** only keeps the readers holding their nose.
J.
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Russian forces planned to storm school
Tuesday 21 September 2004, 2:12 Makka Time, 23:12 GMT
The head of Russia's FSB security service has admitted that plans
were
made to storm the school holding hostages in Beslan, but they were
not
ready when the confrontation erupted in violence.
Whether or not the Russians planned to storm the school, the ENTIRE
blame
for this tragedy lies with the Chechen terrorists! Many of the
younger
children were seriously ill with dehydration and would not have
lived
much
longer.
I see the source of this report is al-jazeera. Interesting.
Jane
Did you read the article? Was there anything in there that wasn't
sourced
back to the Soviets themselves?
The source was indeed Al Jazeera, but I honestly can't say I read
anything
in the article that praises the terrorists or dismisses the tragedy
that
resulted.
Sometimes it doesn't hurt to read up on events from the oppositions
viewpoint. It helps in creating an enviroment of understanding instead
of
an
enviroment of death and destruction.
I read al-jazeera quite often. My real point still is, however, that
the
Chechens are solely to blame for this tragedy. Speculation about what
the
Russians may have *planned* had things not spun out of control, is
irrelevent.
Jane
If you read Al-Jazeera regularly, then you should know that their coverage
of world events is no more, no less inaccurate or biased than most of the
Western mainstream press, especially the big 3--AFP (which this story came
from), AP and Reuters.
Dr. Blunt
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Russian forces planned to storm school
Tuesday 21 September 2004, 2:12 Makka Time, 23:12 GMT
The head of Russia's FSB security service has admitted that plans were
made to storm the school holding hostages in Beslan, but they were not
ready when the confrontation erupted in violence.
Whether or not the Russians planned to storm the school, the ENTIRE
blame
for this tragedy lies with the Chechen terrorists! Many of the younger
children were seriously ill with dehydration and would not have lived
much
longer.
I see the source of this report is al-jazeera. Interesting.
Jane
Did you read the article? Was there anything in there that wasn't sourced
back to the Soviets themselves?
The source was indeed Al Jazeera, but I honestly can't say I read anything
in the article that praises the terrorists or dismisses the tragedy that
resulted.
Sometimes it doesn't hurt to read up on events from the oppositions
viewpoint. It helps in creating an enviroment of understanding instead of
an
enviroment of death and destruction.
I read al-jazeera quite often. My real point still is, however, that the
Chechens are solely to blame for this tragedy. Speculation about what the
Russians may have *planned* had things not spun out of control, is
irrelevent.
Your point of view. Sometimes it's the little things which hold the
most relevance, and these are the things most fools fail to recognise.
Instead, they jeer at the analytical few who do.
Russia needed a precursor to enter the War on Terror. Do the math.
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23 Sep 2004 04:36:55 AM |
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Cuan a écrit:
On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 09:45:52 -0400, "Jane" <pushlinque@hotmail.com>
wrote:
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Russian forces planned to storm school
Tuesday 21 September 2004, 2:12 Makka Time, 23:12 GMT
The head of Russia's FSB security service has admitted that plans were
made to storm the school holding hostages in Beslan, but they were not
ready when the confrontation erupted in violence.
Whether or not the Russians planned to storm the school, the ENTIRE
blame
for this tragedy lies with the Chechen terrorists! Many of the younger
children were seriously ill with dehydration and would not have lived
much
longer.
I see the source of this report is al-jazeera. Interesting.
Jane
Did you read the article? Was there anything in there that wasn't sourced
back to the Soviets themselves?
The source was indeed Al Jazeera, but I honestly can't say I read anything
in the article that praises the terrorists or dismisses the tragedy that
resulted.
Sometimes it doesn't hurt to read up on events from the oppositions
viewpoint. It helps in creating an enviroment of understanding instead of
an
enviroment of death and destruction.
I read al-jazeera quite often. My real point still is, however, that the
Chechens are solely to blame for this tragedy. Speculation about what the
Russians may have *planned* had things not spun out of control, is
irrelevent.
Your point of view. Sometimes it's the little things which hold the
most relevance, and these are the things most fools fail to recognise.
Instead, they jeer at the analytical few who do.
Russia needed a precursor to enter the War on Terror. Do the math.
Yeah right, it needed the terrorists to enter the war against them. LOL
What a dumbo. No, they needed that like they needed a hole in the head.
J.
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23 Sep 2004 09:50:29 AM |
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On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 09:36:55 GMT, Jean Guernon
<jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote:
Cuan a écrit:
On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 09:45:52 -0400, "Jane" <pushlinque@hotmail.com>
wrote:
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Russian forces planned to storm school
Tuesday 21 September 2004, 2:12 Makka Time, 23:12 GMT
The head of Russia's FSB security service has admitted that plans were
made to storm the school holding hostages in Beslan, but they were not
ready when the confrontation erupted in violence.
Whether or not the Russians planned to storm the school, the ENTIRE
blame
for this tragedy lies with the Chechen terrorists! Many of the younger
children were seriously ill with dehydration and would not have lived
much
longer.
I see the source of this report is al-jazeera. Interesting.
Jane
Did you read the article? Was there anything in there that wasn't sourced
back to the Soviets themselves?
The source was indeed Al Jazeera, but I honestly can't say I read anything
in the article that praises the terrorists or dismisses the tragedy that
resulted.
Sometimes it doesn't hurt to read up on events from the oppositions
viewpoint. It helps in creating an enviroment of understanding instead of
an
enviroment of death and destruction.
I read al-jazeera quite often. My real point still is, however, that the
Chechens are solely to blame for this tragedy. Speculation about what the
Russians may have *planned* had things not spun out of control, is
irrelevent.
Your point of view. Sometimes it's the little things which hold the
most relevance, and these are the things most fools fail to recognise.
Instead, they jeer at the analytical few who do.
Russia needed a precursor to enter the War on Terror. Do the math.
Yeah right, it needed the terrorists to enter the war against them. LOL
What a dumbo. No, they needed that like they needed a hole in the head.
I didn't say they hired the terrorists, *****. The disaster held a
certain convenience which allows them to go hunting for more
terrorists, unabated. Bush did it, why can't Putin.
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23 Sep 2004 10:57:46 AM |
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So you are saying that Binny and the losers who declared war on their
country deserved to be hunted? Wanted to be hunted? Just so as to give
the big man they were trying to taunt more power against them?
What is your point?
J.
Cuan a écrit:
On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 09:36:55 GMT, Jean Guernon
<jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote:
Cuan a écrit:
On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 09:45:52 -0400, "Jane" <pushlinque@hotmail.com>
wrote:
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Russian forces planned to storm school
Tuesday 21 September 2004, 2:12 Makka Time, 23:12 GMT
The head of Russia's FSB security service has admitted that plans were
made to storm the school holding hostages in Beslan, but they were not
ready when the confrontation erupted in violence.
Whether or not the Russians planned to storm the school, the ENTIRE
blame
for this tragedy lies with the Chechen terrorists! Many of the younger
children were seriously ill with dehydration and would not have lived
much
longer.
I see the source of this report is al-jazeera. Interesting.
Jane
Did you read the article? Was there anything in there that wasn't sourced
back to the Soviets themselves?
The source was indeed Al Jazeera, but I honestly can't say I read anything
in the article that praises the terrorists or dismisses the tragedy that
resulted.
Sometimes it doesn't hurt to read up on events from the oppositions
viewpoint. It helps in creating an enviroment of understanding instead of
an
enviroment of death and destruction.
I read al-jazeera quite often. My real point still is, however, that the
Chechens are solely to blame for this tragedy. Speculation about what the
Russians may have *planned* had things not spun out of control, is
irrelevent.
Your point of view. Sometimes it's the little things which hold the
most relevance, and these are the things most fools fail to recognise.
Instead, they jeer at the analytical few who do.
Russia needed a precursor to enter the War on Terror. Do the math.
Yeah right, it needed the terrorists to enter the war against them. LOL
What a dumbo. No, they needed that like they needed a hole in the head.
I didn't say they hired the terrorists, *****. The disaster held a
certain convenience which allows them to go hunting for more
terrorists, unabated. Bush did it, why can't Putin.
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25 Sep 2004 04:29:15 AM |
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On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 15:57:46 GMT, Jean Guernon
<jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote:
So you are saying that Binny and the losers who declared war on their
country deserved to be hunted? Wanted to be hunted? Just so as to give
the big man they were trying to taunt more power against them?
What is your point?
Well, let us examine this.
Bush needed to remove Saddam Hussein, but he didn't have sufficient
grounds to return to war. Suddenly four planes crash - three of them
into buildings. Hussein was blamed, and then bin Laden, and then
Hussein and bin Laden. Two wars later ensued with the blessing of the
US congress and a sizeable portion of the public.
Putin, initially against the WOT invasions, suffered a 180 degree
change of mindset. Whether this happened because of the US bribing
him with aid, or simply because he saw America's military build-up in
the region increasing, as well as the spoils of war, is not certain.
It certainly increased his support against Chechnya. He could not
effect his change of mindset into action, however, without a similar
precursor to 9/11. Suddenly a school gets taken hostage. It turns
sour, and children and adults are killed en masse. Now Putin has
suffient grounds to enter the WOT with popular support. Almost
immediately, he starts threatening to sniff out terrorists wherever
they are in the world - effectively a chance to better Russia's own
interests. You may notice that the Chechnyans are no longer being
referred to as "separatists", but are now being referred to as
"terrorists".
That's all I meant. I haven't even suggested a conspiracy - only
coincidence.
Cuan a écrit:
On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 09:36:55 GMT, Jean Guernon
<jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote:
Cuan a écrit:
On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 09:45:52 -0400, "Jane" <pushlinque@hotmail.com>
wrote:
"Marvin The Paranoid Android" <marvin@galaxy.com> wrote in message
news:O8f4d.14270$bL1.832113@news20.bellglobal.com...
"Jane" <pushlinque@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:fT64d.14586$pA.1104296@news20.bellglobal.com...
"Dr. Blunt" <ufocalypse@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Russian forces planned to storm school
Tuesday 21 September 2004, 2:12 Makka Time, 23:12 GMT
The head of Russia's FSB security service has admitted that plans were
made to storm the school holding hostages in Beslan, but they were not
ready when the confrontation erupted in violence.
Whether or not the Russians planned to storm the school, the ENTIRE
blame
for this tragedy lies with the Chechen terrorists! Many of the younger
children were seriously ill with dehydration and would not have lived
much
longer.
I see the source of this report is al-jazeera. Interesting.
Jane
Did you read the article? Was there anything in there that wasn't sourced
back to the Soviets themselves?
The source was indeed Al Jazeera, but I honestly can't say I read anything
in the article that praises the terrorists or dismisses the tragedy that
resulted.
Sometimes it doesn't hurt to read up on events from the oppositions
viewpoint. It helps in creating an enviroment of understanding instead of
an
enviroment of death and destruction.
I read al-jazeera quite often. My real point still is, however, that the
Chechens are solely to blame for this tragedy. Speculation about what the
Russians may have *planned* had things not spun out of control, is
irrelevent.
Your point of view. Sometimes it's the little things which hold the
most relevance, and these are the things most fools fail to recognise.
Instead, they jeer at the analytical few who do.
Russia needed a precursor to enter the War on Terror. Do the math.
Yeah right, it needed the terrorists to enter the war against them. LOL
What a dumbo. No, they needed that like they needed a hole in the head.
I didn't say they hired the terrorists, *****. The disaster held a
certain convenience which allows them to go hunting for more
terrorists, unabated. Bush did it, why can't Putin.
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28 Sep 2004 01:56:24 PM |
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Coincidences.
J.
Cuan a écrit:
On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 15:57:46 GMT, Jean Guernon
<jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote:
So you are saying that Binny and the losers who declared war on their
country deserved to be hunted? Wanted to be hunted? Just so as to give
the big man they were trying to taunt more power against them?
What is your point?
Well, let us examine this.
Bush needed to remove Saddam Hussein, but he didn't have sufficient
grounds to return to war. Suddenly four planes crash - three of them
into buildings. Hussein was blamed, and then bin Laden, and then
Hussein and bin Laden. Two wars later ensued with the blessing of the
US congress and a sizeable portion of the public.
Putin, initially against the WOT invasions, suffered a 180 degree
change of mindset. Whether this happened because of the US bribing
him with aid, or simply because he saw America's military build-up in
the region increasing, as well as the spoils of war, is not certain.
It certainly increased his support against Chechnya. He could not
effect his change of mindset into action, however, without a similar
precursor to 9/11. Suddenly a school gets taken hostage. It turns
sour, and children and adults are killed en masse. Now Putin has
suffient grounds to enter the WOT with popular support. Almost
immediately, he starts threatening to sniff out terrorists wherever
they are in the world - effectively a chance to better Russia's own
interests. You may notice that the Chechnyans are no longer being
referred to as "separatists", but are now being referred to as
"terrorists".
That's all I meant. I haven't even suggested a conspiracy - only
coincidence.
Cuan a écrit:
On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 09:36:55 GMT, Jean Guernon
<jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote:
Cuan a écrit:
On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 09:45:52 -0400, "Jane" <pushlinque@hotmail.com>
wrote:
"Marvin The Paranoid Android" <marvin@galaxy.com> wrote in message
news:O8f4d.14270$bL1.832113@news20.bellglobal.com...
"Jane" <pushlinque@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:fT64d.14586$pA.1104296@news20.bellglobal.com...
"Dr. Blunt" <ufocalypse@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:ciqbiq022hh@enews3.newsguy.com...
Russian forces planned to storm school
Tuesday 21 September 2004, 2:12 Makka Time, 23:12 GMT
The head of Russia's FSB security service has admitted that plans were
made to storm the school holding hostages in Beslan, but they were not
ready when the confrontation erupted in violence.
Whether or not the Russians planned to storm the school, the ENTIRE
blame
for this tragedy lies with the Chechen terrorists! Many of the younger
children were seriously ill with dehydration and would not have lived
much
longer.
I see the source of this report is al-jazeera. Interesting.
Jane
Did you read the article? Was there anything in there that wasn't sourced
back to the Soviets themselves?
The source was indeed Al Jazeera, but I honestly can't say I read anything
in the article that praises the terrorists or dismisses the tragedy that
resulted.
Sometimes it doesn't hurt to read up on events from the oppositions
viewpoint. It helps in creating an enviroment of understanding instead of
an
enviroment of death and destruction.
I read al-jazeera quite often. My real point still is, however, that the
Chechens are solely to blame for this tragedy. Speculation about what the
Russians may have *planned* had things not spun out of control, is
irrelevent.
Your point of view. Sometimes it's the little things which hold the
most relevance, and these are the things most fools fail to recognise.
Instead, they jeer at the analytical few who do.
Russia needed a precursor to enter the War on Terror. Do the math.
Yeah right, it needed the terrorists to enter the war against them. LOL
What a dumbo. No, they needed that like they needed a hole in the head.
I didn't say they hired the terrorists, *****. The disaster held a
certain convenience which allows them to go hunting for more
terrorists, unabated. Bush did it, why can't Putin.
.
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| User: "Cuan" |
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| Title: Re: Russian Forces Planned to Storm School |
29 Sep 2004 02:47:11 AM |
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On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 18:56:24 GMT, Jean Guernon
<jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote:
Coincidences.
Yep...cowinkidinks. Lot of 'em.
Cuan a écrit:
On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 15:57:46 GMT, Jean Guernon
<jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote:
So you are saying that Binny and the losers who declared war on their
country deserved to be hunted? Wanted to be hunted? Just so as to give
the big man they were trying to taunt more power against them?
What is your point?
Well, let us examine this.
Bush needed to remove Saddam Hussein, but he didn't have sufficient
grounds to return to war. Suddenly four planes crash - three of them
into buildings. Hussein was blamed, and then bin Laden, and then
Hussein and bin Laden. Two wars later ensued with the blessing of the
US congress and a sizeable portion of the public.
Putin, initially against the WOT invasions, suffered a 180 degree
change of mindset. Whether this happened because of the US bribing
him with aid, or simply because he saw America's military build-up in
the region increasing, as well as the spoils of war, is not certain.
It certainly increased his support against Chechnya. He could not
effect his change of mindset into action, however, without a similar
precursor to 9/11. Suddenly a school gets taken hostage. It turns
sour, and children and adults are killed en masse. Now Putin has
suffient grounds to enter the WOT with popular support. Almost
immediately, he starts threatening to sniff out terrorists wherever
they are in the world - effectively a chance to better Russia's own
interests. You may notice that the Chechnyans are no longer being
referred to as "separatists", but are now being referred to as
"terrorists".
That's all I meant. I haven't even suggested a conspiracy - only
coincidence.
Cuan a écrit:
On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 09:36:55 GMT, Jean Guernon
<jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote:
Cuan a écrit:
On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 09:45:52 -0400, "Jane" <pushlinque@hotmail.com>
wrote:
"Marvin The Paranoid Android" <marvin@galaxy.com> wrote in message
news:O8f4d.14270$bL1.832113@news20.bellglobal.com...
"Jane" <pushlinque@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:fT64d.14586$pA.1104296@news20.bellglobal.com...
"Dr. Blunt" <ufocalypse@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:ciqbiq022hh@enews3.newsguy.com...
Russian forces planned to storm school
Tuesday 21 September 2004, 2:12 Makka Time, 23:12 GMT
The head of Russia's FSB security service has admitted that plans were
made to storm the school holding hostages in Beslan, but they were not
ready when the confrontation erupted in violence.
Whether or not the Russians planned to storm the school, the ENTIRE
blame
for this tragedy lies with the Chechen terrorists! Many of the younger
children were seriously ill with dehydration and would not have lived
much
longer.
I see the source of this report is al-jazeera. Interesting.
Jane
Did you read the article? Was there anything in there that wasn't sourced
back to the Soviets themselves?
The source was indeed Al Jazeera, but I honestly can't say I read anything
in the article that praises the terrorists or dismisses the tragedy that
resulted.
Sometimes it doesn't hurt to read up on events from the oppositions
viewpoint. It helps in creating an enviroment of understanding instead of
an
enviroment of death and destruction.
I read al-jazeera quite often. My real point still is, however, that the
Chechens are solely to blame for this tragedy. Speculation about what the
Russians may have *planned* had things not spun out of control, is
irrelevent.
Your point of view. Sometimes it's the little things which hold the
most relevance, and these are the things most fools fail to recognise.
Instead, they jeer at the analytical few who do.
Russia needed a precursor to enter the War on Terror. Do the math.
Yeah right, it needed the terrorists to enter the war against them. LOL
What a dumbo. No, they needed that like they needed a hole in the head.
I didn't say they hired the terrorists, *****. The disaster held a
certain convenience which allows them to go hunting for more
terrorists, unabated. Bush did it, why can't Putin.
.
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| User: "Jean Guernon" |
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| Title: Re: Russian Forces Planned to Storm School |
29 Sep 2004 07:55:54 PM |
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Bah, one thing is sure, there is no coincidence in the facts that the
terrorists attacked, and we kicked their butts out of the maps where
they were nesting.
The rest is crazy talk, just like you just made.
J.
Cuan a écrit:
On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 18:56:24 GMT, Jean Guernon
<jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote:
Coincidences.
Yep...cowinkidinks. Lot of 'em.
Cuan a écrit:
On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 15:57:46 GMT, Jean Guernon
<jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote:
So you are saying that Binny and the losers who declared war on their
country deserved to be hunted? Wanted to be hunted? Just so as to give
the big man they were trying to taunt more power against them?
What is your point?
Well, let us examine this.
Bush needed to remove Saddam Hussein, but he didn't have sufficient
grounds to return to war. Suddenly four planes crash - three of them
into buildings. Hussein was blamed, and then bin Laden, and then
Hussein and bin Laden. Two wars later ensued with the blessing of the
US congress and a sizeable portion of the public.
Putin, initially against the WOT invasions, suffered a 180 degree
change of mindset. Whether this happened because of the US bribing
him with aid, or simply because he saw America's military build-up in
the region increasing, as well as the spoils of war, is not certain.
It certainly increased his support against Chechnya. He could not
effect his change of mindset into action, however, without a similar
precursor to 9/11. Suddenly a school gets taken hostage. It turns
sour, and children and adults are killed en masse. Now Putin has
suffient grounds to enter the WOT with popular support. Almost
immediately, he starts threatening to sniff out terrorists wherever
they are in the world - effectively a chance to better Russia's own
interests. You may notice that the Chechnyans are no longer being
referred to as "separatists", but are now being referred to as
"terrorists".
That's all I meant. I haven't even suggested a conspiracy - only
coincidence.
Cuan a écrit:
On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 09:36:55 GMT, Jean Guernon
<jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote:
Cuan a écrit:
On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 09:45:52 -0400, "Jane" <pushlinque@hotmail.com>
wrote:
"Marvin The Paranoid Android" <marvin@galaxy.com> wrote in message
news:O8f4d.14270$bL1.832113@news20.bellglobal.com...
"Jane" <pushlinque@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:fT64d.14586$pA.1104296@news20.bellglobal.com...
"Dr. Blunt" <ufocalypse@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:ciqbiq022hh@enews3.newsguy.com...
Russian forces planned to storm school
Tuesday 21 September 2004, 2:12 Makka Time, 23:12 GMT
The head of Russia's FSB security service has admitted that plans were
made to storm the school holding hostages in Beslan, but they were not
ready when the confrontation erupted in violence.
Whether or not the Russians planned to storm the school, the ENTIRE
blame
for this tragedy lies with the Chechen terrorists! Many of the younger
children were seriously ill with dehydration and would not have lived
much
longer.
I see the source of this report is al-jazeera. Interesting.
Jane
Did you read the article? Was there anything in there that wasn't sourced
back to the Soviets themselves?
The source was indeed Al Jazeera, but I honestly can't say I read anything
in the article that praises the terrorists or dismisses the tragedy that
resulted.
Sometimes it doesn't hurt to read up on events from the oppositions
viewpoint. It helps in creating an enviroment of understanding instead of
an
enviroment of death and destruction.
I read al-jazeera quite often. My real point still is, however, that the
Chechens are solely to blame for this tragedy. Speculation about what the
Russians may have *planned* had things not spun out of control, is
irrelevent.
Your point of view. Sometimes it's the little things which hold the
most relevance, and these are the things most fools fail to recognise.
Instead, they jeer at the analytical few who do.
Russia needed a precursor to enter the War on Terror. Do the math.
Yeah right, it needed the terrorists to enter the war against them. LOL
What a dumbo. No, they needed that like they needed a hole in the head.
I didn't say they hired the terrorists, *****. The disaster held a
certain convenience which allows them to go hunting for more
terrorists, unabated. Bush did it, why can't Putin.
.
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| User: "Cuan" |
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| Title: Re: Russian Forces Planned to Storm School |
30 Sep 2004 01:14:24 AM |
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On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 00:55:54 GMT, Jean Guernon
<jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote:
Bah, one thing is sure, there is no coincidence in the facts that the
terrorists attacked, and we kicked their butts out of the maps where
they were nesting.
First you agree that they were coincidences, then you say they
weren't. You're not consistent.
The rest is crazy talk, just like you just made.
Nope. I said they were coincidences. If you're interpreting that
that to mean I'm saying otherwise, then it means that you have
identified some kind of 'monkey' business all on your own. There's
still hope for you, Jean.
Cuan a écrit:
On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 18:56:24 GMT, Jean Guernon
<jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote:
Coincidences.
Yep...cowinkidinks. Lot of 'em.
Cuan a écrit:
On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 15:57:46 GMT, Jean Guernon
<jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote:
So you are saying that Binny and the losers who declared war on their
country deserved to be hunted? Wanted to be hunted? Just so as to give
the big man they were trying to taunt more power against them?
What is your point?
Well, let us examine this.
Bush needed to remove Saddam Hussein, but he didn't have sufficient
grounds to return to war. Suddenly four planes crash - three of them
into buildings. Hussein was blamed, and then bin Laden, and then
Hussein and bin Laden. Two wars later ensued with the blessing of the
US congress and a sizeable portion of the public.
Putin, initially against the WOT invasions, suffered a 180 degree
change of mindset. Whether this happened because of the US bribing
him with aid, or simply because he saw America's military build-up in
the region increasing, as well as the spoils of war, is not certain.
It certainly increased his support against Chechnya. He could not
effect his change of mindset into action, however, without a similar
precursor to 9/11. Suddenly a school gets taken hostage. It turns
sour, and children and adults are killed en masse. Now Putin has
suffient grounds to enter the WOT with popular support. Almost
immediately, he starts threatening to sniff out terrorists wherever
they are in the world - effectively a chance to better Russia's own
interests. You may notice that the Chechnyans are no longer being
referred to as "separatists", but are now being referred to as
"terrorists".
That's all I meant. I haven't even suggested a conspiracy - only
coincidence.
Cuan a écrit:
On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 09:36:55 GMT, Jean Guernon
<jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote:
Cuan a écrit:
On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 09:45:52 -0400, "Jane" <pushlinque@hotmail.com>
wrote:
"Marvin The Paranoid Android" <marvin@galaxy.com> wrote in message
news:O8f4d.14270$bL1.832113@news20.bellglobal.com...
"Jane" <pushlinque@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:fT64d.14586$pA.1104296@news20.bellglobal.com...
"Dr. Blunt" <ufocalypse@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:ciqbiq022hh@enews3.newsguy.com...
Russian forces planned to storm school
Tuesday 21 September 2004, 2:12 Makka Time, 23:12 GMT
The head of Russia's FSB security service has admitted that plans were
made to storm the school holding hostages in Beslan, but they were not
ready when the confrontation erupted in violence.
Whether or not the Russians planned to storm the school, the ENTIRE
blame
for this tragedy lies with the Chechen terrorists! Many of the younger
children were seriously ill with dehydration and would not have lived
much
longer.
I see the source of this report is al-jazeera. Interesting.
Jane
Did you read the article? Was there anything in there that wasn't sourced
back to the Soviets themselves?
The source was indeed Al Jazeera, but I honestly can't say I read anything
in the article that praises the terrorists or dismisses the tragedy that
resulted.
Sometimes it doesn't hurt to read up on events from the oppositions
viewpoint. It helps in creating an enviroment of understanding instead of
an
enviroment of death and destruction.
I read al-jazeera quite often. My real point still is, however, that the
Chechens are solely to blame for this tragedy. Speculation about what the
Russians may have *planned* had things not spun out of control, is
irrelevent.
Your point of view. Sometimes it's the little things which hold the
most relevance, and these are the things most fools fail to recognise.
Instead, they jeer at the analytical few who do.
Russia needed a precursor to enter the War on Terror. Do the math.
Yeah right, it needed the terrorists to enter the war against them. LOL
What a dumbo. No, they needed that like they needed a hole in the head.
I didn't say they hired the terrorists, *****. The disaster held a
certain convenience which allows them to go hunting for more
terrorists, unabated. Bush did it, why can't Putin.
.
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22 Sep 2004 12:50:49 PM |
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"Jane" <pushlinque@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<fT64d.14586$pA.1104296@news20.bellglobal.com>...
"Dr. Blunt" <ufocalypse@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:ciqbiq022hh@enews3.newsguy.com...
Russian forces planned to storm school
Tuesday 21 September 2004, 2:12 Makka Time, 23:12 GMT
The head of Russia's FSB security service has admitted that plans were
made to storm the school holding hostages in Beslan, but they were not
ready when the confrontation erupted in violence.
Whether or not the Russians planned to storm the school, the ENTIRE blame
for this tragedy lies with the Chechen terrorists! Many of the younger
children were seriously ill with dehydration and would not have lived much
longer.
I see the source of this report is al-jazeera. Interesting.
Jane
He sure has shades of AK - another terrorists sympathizer, huh? Same
sources, same paranoia?
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| User: "Cuan" |
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22 Sep 2004 09:43:47 AM |
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On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 00:06:36 -0400, "Jane" <pushlinque@hotmail.com>
wrote:
"Dr. Blunt" <ufocalypse@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:ciqbiq022hh@enews3.newsguy.com...
Russian forces planned to storm school
Tuesday 21 September 2004, 2:12 Makka Time, 23:12 GMT
The head of Russia's FSB security service has admitted that plans were
made to storm the school holding hostages in Beslan, but they were not
ready when the confrontation erupted in violence.
Whether or not the Russians planned to storm the school, the ENTIRE blame
for this tragedy lies with the Chechen terrorists! Many of the younger
children were seriously ill with dehydration and would not have lived much
longer.
I see the source of this report is al-jazeera. Interesting.
So what? That only indicates the persuasion of the content, not the
content itself.
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22 Sep 2004 04:29:52 PM |
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Cuan <an@nymous.co.za> wrote in message news:<vq33l0t6bd48fho4hmkq4dr1ecfnv39lgp@4ax.com>...
On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 00:06:36 -0400, "Jane" <pushlinque@hotmail.com>
wrote:
So what?
Yep, so what if the source is a bunch of bias newspeople? As long as
the ends justify the means.
Right?
That only indicates the persuasion of the content, not the
content itself.
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| User: "Cuan" |
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23 Sep 2004 04:57:49 AM |
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On 22 Sep 2004 14:29:52 -0700, (Michael
Johnathan McDonald) wrote:
Cuan <an@nymous.co.za> wrote in message news:<vq33l0t6bd48fho4hmkq4dr1ecfnv39lgp@4ax.com>...
On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 00:06:36 -0400, "Jane" <pushlinque@hotmail.com>
wrote:
So what?
Yep, so what if the source is a bunch of bias newspeople? As long as
the ends justify the means.
Right?
Wrong. Did you not understand what I said? I see you snipped the
context. Does this mean you would rather plead ignorance than to have
anything clever to say?
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| User: "Jean Guernon" |
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23 Sep 2004 05:53:20 AM |
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Cuan a écrit:
On 22 Sep 2004 14:29:52 -0700, (Michael
Johnathan McDonald) wrote:
Cuan <an@nymous.co.za> wrote in message news:<vq33l0t6bd48fho4hmkq4dr1ecfnv39lgp@4ax.com>...
On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 00:06:36 -0400, "Jane" <pushlinque@hotmail.com>
wrote:
So what?
Yep, so what if the source is a bunch of bias newspeople? As long as
the ends justify the means.
Right?
Wrong. Did you not understand what I said? I see you snipped the
context. Does this mean you would rather plead ignorance than to have
anything clever to say?
About what?
J.
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23 Sep 2004 09:52:44 AM |
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On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 10:53:20 GMT, Jean Guernon
<jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote:
Cuan a écrit:
On 22 Sep 2004 14:29:52 -0700, (Michael
Johnathan McDonald) wrote:
Cuan <an@nymous.co.za> wrote in message news:<vq33l0t6bd48fho4hmkq4dr1ecfnv39lgp@4ax.com>...
On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 00:06:36 -0400, "Jane" <pushlinque@hotmail.com>
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So what?
Yep, so what if the source is a bunch of bias newspeople? As long as
the ends justify the means.
Right?
Wrong. Did you not understand what I said? I see you snipped the
context. Does this mean you would rather plead ignorance than to have
anything clever to say?
About what?
Yes yes, Jean...sorry, I should have directed that question to you
too. Sorry for making you feel all left out.
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Cuan a écrit:
On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 10:53:20 GMT, Jean Guernon
<jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote:
Cuan a écrit:
On 22 Sep 2004 14:29:52 -0700, (Michael
Johnathan McDonald) wrote:
Cuan <an@nymous.co.za> wrote in message news:<vq33l0t6bd48fho4hmkq4dr1ecfnv39lgp@4ax.com>...
On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 00:06:36 -0400, "Jane" <pushlinque@hotmail.com>
wrote:
So what?
Yep, so what if the source is a bunch of bias newspeople? As long as
the ends justify the means.
Right?
Wrong. Did you not understand what I said? I see you snipped the
context. Does this mean you would rather plead ignorance than to have
anything clever to say?
About what?
Yes yes, Jean...sorry, I should have directed that question to you
too. Sorry for making you feel all left out.
I forgive you.
J.
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25 Sep 2004 04:31:44 AM |
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On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 15:58:23 GMT, Jean Guernon
<jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote:
Cuan a écrit:
On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 10:53:20 GMT, Jean Guernon
<jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote:
Cuan a écrit:
On 22 Sep 2004 14:29:52 -0700, (Michael
Johnathan McDonald) wrote:
Cuan <an@nymous.co.za> wrote in message news:<vq33l0t6bd48fho4hmkq4dr1ecfnv39lgp@4ax.com>...
On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 00:06:36 -0400, "Jane" <pushlinque@hotmail.com>
wrote:
So what?
Yep, so what if the source is a bunch of bias newspeople? As long as
the ends justify the means.
Right?
Wrong. Did you not understand what I said? I see you snipped the
context. Does this mean you would rather plead ignorance than to have
anything clever to say?
About what?
Yes yes, Jean...sorry, I should have directed that question to you
too. Sorry for making you feel all left out.
I forgive you.
LOL! I'm going to print this and frame it!
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22 Sep 2004 05:40:07 AM |
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Yeah, Dr. Bunk is an avid fan of terrorist ***** lickers.
J.
Jane a écrit:
"Dr. Blunt" <ufocalypse@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:ciqbiq022hh@enews3.newsguy.com...
Russian forces planned to storm school
Tuesday 21 September 2004, 2:12 Makka Time, 23:12 GMT
The head of Russia's FSB security service has admitted that plans were
made to storm the school holding hostages in Beslan, but they were not
ready when the confrontation erupted in violence.
Whether or not the Russians planned to storm the school, the ENTIRE blame
for this tragedy lies with the Chechen terrorists! Many of the younger
children were seriously ill with dehydration and would not have lived much
longer.
I see the source of this report is al-jazeera. Interesting.
Jane
Addressing a special session of the upper house of the Russian legislature
on Monday, FSB chief Nikolai Patrushev said the violence was triggered by
an accidental blast in the school.
The session was called to discuss new Russian security measures and the
situation in the north Caucasus.
"We planned an assault, but we were not ready at that exact moment,"
Federation Council member Alexei Mitrofanov quoted Patrushev as saying.
Patrushev's reported comments marked a departure from remarks by other
Russian officials who had so far stated that there were no plans to use
violence to end the hostage siege at the school in Beslan.
Bloody culmination
The bloody culmination of the confrontation on 3 September involved
exchanges of heavy fire not just between the hostage-takers and security
forces, but also with armed local residents.
The crisis, the deadliest of its kind, resulted in the deaths of at least
339 people, half of them children, as well as the killing of 31 captors.
Russian authorities said there were 354 hostages held in the school while
other reports put the figure at 1200.
Patrushev also brushed off criticism over his absence from the scene,
saying he, like other Russian officials, "feared terrorist strikes in
other regions if they all visited Beslan at the same time".
The Federation Council and the Duma will create a 21-member parliamentary
commission to inquire into the hostage-taking.
Of the 11 chosen from the council, "five have experience of working in the
law and order forces and six are civilians", said council president
Serguei Mironov.
"In selecting them, we took into consideration the right of these people
to access top secret documents," Mironov said, adding that no commission
members would have the right to comment publicly during the enquiry.
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/68F25C42-FA41-4B19-9560-717AE0F85291.
htm
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22 Sep 2004 04:43:38 AM |
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Dr. Blunt a écrit SOME LAME PROPAGANDA SLUR FROM THE Aljazirah ***** SITE:
Russian forces planned to storm school
Good. Too bad the terrorists blew their plans.
And of course, any casualty responsibility is ONLY that of the MUSLIM
terrorists PIECES OF ***** and their sponsors and their supporters. OF
COURSE.
J.
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22 Sep 2004 08:43:04 AM |
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"Jean Guernon" <jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote in message
news:ePb4d.113352$XP3.75883@edtnps84...
Dr. Blunt a écrit SOME LAME PROPAGANDA SLUR FROM THE Aljazirah *****
SITE:
Russian forces planned to storm school
Good. Too bad the terrorists blew their plans.
And of course, any casualty responsibility is ONLY that of the MUSLIM
terrorists PIECES OF ***** and their sponsors and their supporters. OF
COURSE.
J.
The exact same story was carried by Western news sources. When I said
nearly two weeks ago that witnesses had reported that the initial
explosion was accidentally set off (which started the Russian rush into
the school), since then, officially, Russian has acknowledged that fact.
What would've happened had the accidental explosion not happened? Would
Chechen militants and Russian officials have negotiated a peaceful ending
to this? The point being here is that it is now established that the
militants did not deliberately set off that explosion, apparently wanting
instead to go ahead with negotiations for the removal of Russian troops
and talks with Chechen nationalists on the sovereignty of their proposed
state.
Flashing back to the heat and smoke generated by this incident by ignorant
racists and religious bigots in the West, it now gradually looks not look
as "demonic" as it first appeared. If Westerners had a better, more
balanced approach to ancient feuds like the Chechen-Russian conflict,
they'd be able to see how past conflicts led to the desparation expressed
in the tragic school hostage incident. And they'd see how political
advantage can be gained by such incidents for a select few at the top.
The only answer to this conflict is for negotiations to resume in earnest.
We don't know that ALL the casualties, you absolutist fool, were caused by
the militants or the Russian storming. That investigation is ongoing in
Russia. Obviously, the first (accidental) explosion was not the result of
a deliberate murderous action, and we don't know how many died from that
single explosion.
Dr. Blunt
This story is from our news.com.au network Source: AFP
Plan to storm hostage school
From correspondents in Moscow
September 21, 2004
THE head of Russia's FSB security service admitted today plans were made
for storming a school full of hostages but were not ready when the
standoff erupted in violence, according to a lawmaker.
Addressing a special session of the upper house of the Russian
legislature, FSB chief Nikolai Patrushev said the violence was triggered
by an accidental blast in the school, Federation Council member Alexei
Mitrofanov said.
"We planned an assault, but we were not ready at that exact moment," Mr
Mitrofanov quoted Mr Patrushev as saying during the session, called to
discuss new Russian security measures and the situation in the north
Caucasus.
Mr Patrushev's comments as reported by Mr Mitrofanov marked a departure
from remarks by other Russian officials who have so far stated that there
were no plans to use violence to end the hostage siege at the school in
Beslan.
The bloody culmination of the standoff on September 3 involved exchanges
of heavy fire not just between the militants holding the hostages and
security forces but also with armed local residents.
The Beslan hostage crisis, the deadliest ever of its kind, resulted in the
deaths of at least 339 people, half of them children, as well as the
killing of 31 gunmen.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,10831000%255E1702,00.html
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Dr. Blunt a écrit:
"Jean Guernon" <jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote in message
news:ePb4d.113352$XP3.75883@edtnps84...
Dr. Blunt a écrit SOME LAME PROPAGANDA SLUR FROM THE Aljazirah *****
SITE:
Russian forces planned to storm school
Good. Too bad the terrorists blew their plans.
And of course, any casualty responsibility is ONLY that of the MUSLIM
terrorists PIECES OF ***** and their sponsors and their supporters. OF
COURSE.
J.
The exact same story was carried by Western news sources.
Bah OF COURSE THE RUSSIAN WERE PLANNING SCENARIOS TO GET CONTROL and
still Muslims murderers assholes are the sole responsible.
J.
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