I find it kind of ironic that the people executing Saddam were yelling
Muqtada Muqtada in reference to the anti-American cleric Muqtada al sadr.
That guy has been one of the main causes of sectarian violence and chaos in
Iraq. I have read that Saddam was tormented the whole night before. He tried
to sleep but the guards kept laughing and dancing at him all night yelling
"you are going to hang/die/burn in hell". He refused to eat dinner and
breakfast but wanted a cigarette. They even denied him that.
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| User: "mukyuk" |
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| Title: Re: Saddam Execution Video |
01 Jan 2007 09:02:43 PM |
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"Jeff" <nospam@nospam.null> wrote in message
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I find it kind of ironic that the people executing Saddam were yelling
Muqtada Muqtada in reference to the anti-American cleric Muqtada al sadr.
That guy has been one of the main causes of sectarian violence and chaos
in
Iraq. I have read that Saddam was tormented the whole night before. He
tried
to sleep but the guards kept laughing and dancing at him all night yelling
"you are going to hang/die/burn in hell". He refused to eat dinner and
breakfast but wanted a cigarette. They even denied him that.
It didn't look that painfull......
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| User: "Perseid" |
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| Title: Re: Saddam Execution Video |
02 Jan 2007 01:38:41 AM |
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After Much Chewing of Cud and Cogitation, "mukyuk" <a@b.com> Spat the
Words
"Jeff" <nospam@nospam.null> wrote in message
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I find it kind of ironic that the people executing Saddam were yelling
Muqtada Muqtada in reference to the anti-American cleric Muqtada al
sadr.
That guy has been one of the main causes of sectarian violence and
chaos in
Iraq. I have read that Saddam was tormented the whole night before. He
tried
to sleep but the guards kept laughing and dancing at him all night
yelling "you are going to hang/die/burn in hell". He refused to eat
dinner and breakfast but wanted a cigarette. They even denied him that.
It didn't look that painfull......
Yes, well, it's not the fall (from the gallows) that hurts.
It's that sudden wrenching action on your neck that makes you
stop falling that DOES hurt (but only briefly).
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| User: "ass" |
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| Title: Re: Saddam Execution Video |
02 Jan 2007 01:49:47 AM |
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cruel and unusual punishment :)
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| User: "Werewolfy" |
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02 Jan 2007 05:02:26 AM |
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***** wrote:
cruel and unusual punishment :)
Cruel? Can be if not correctly excuted (Didn't really mean the pun)
Unusual? No, not at all. It's all to do with the availabilty of
equipment. Man has had ropes for a very very long time. Trees have
useful branches. It's not suprising that hanging found such favour as a
means of killing someone.
Werewolfy
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| User: "Jean Guernon" |
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03 Jan 2007 05:01:35 PM |
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Funny that they want to punish the guy who took it, he should get a medal.
Indeed you are right, we see that Saddam last day (was it more than 24 hours
outside the hands of Americans?) was excruciating for him, in the hands of
people of the new governement who support this serial killer cleric. Not
that he didn't factually deserved it, but it has nothing to do with dignity,
or even lawfullness (?).
He should have been kept alive in fact, and made to answer for everthing
else he did. Adn he should have had life in jail, not death, so as to
reflect and suffer for his sins. But once this unfair punishment had been
scheduled, it was really a total disgrace to add to it with such people in
charge of making it worse. A barbaric leader executed by a bunch of
barbarians. It is a testimony to this new Iraqi government, unfit to do
anything non-partisan. No wonder the Iraqi prime minister regrets being
there and will not seek another mandate. And to think that the coalition is
stuck trying to uphold its rule. It makes no sense anymore.
Again, not that he didn't deserve to have such an horrible end. Just that
with such nincompoops in power to replace him, there is no way it can work
as a federation. Better that they partition it although it is hardly
feasible, it will have to be arbitrary. It is the one thing we can be sure,
that it will happen one day anyway. We merely see why in this video...
J.
"Jeff" <nospam@nospam.null> a écrit dans le message de news:
C1BF09F6.1C3C8%nospam@nospam.null...
I find it kind of ironic that the people executing Saddam were yelling
Muqtada Muqtada in reference to the anti-American cleric Muqtada al sadr.
That guy has been one of the main causes of sectarian violence and chaos
in
Iraq. I have read that Saddam was tormented the whole night before. He
tried
to sleep but the guards kept laughing and dancing at him all night yelling
"you are going to hang/die/burn in hell". He refused to eat dinner and
breakfast but wanted a cigarette. They even denied him that.
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| User: "Werewolfy" |
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03 Jan 2007 05:23:40 PM |
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Jean Guernon wrote:
...."It makes no sense anymore."
It never did. Make any sense that is.
When will Americans learn that you will never change the ways of these
ancient people to your own standards.
They existed for thousands of years before your modern Society and it's
values.
Leave the damned place alone.
Werewolfy
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| User: "Ken" |
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02 Jan 2007 09:19:56 AM |
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Jeff wrote:
I find it kind of ironic that the people executing Saddam were yelling
Muqtada Muqtada in reference to the anti-American cleric Muqtada al sadr.
That guy has been one of the main causes of sectarian violence and chaos in
Iraq. I have read that Saddam was tormented the whole night before. He tried
to sleep but the guards kept laughing and dancing at him all night yelling
"you are going to hang/die/burn in hell". He refused to eat dinner and
breakfast but wanted a cigarette. They even denied him that.
http://tools.freewebware.com/forum.vhtml?bi=b924c678ceb378d0a570da1889be7569
&a=view&id=438109
We should feel compassion for Saddam in the way he was executed???
Wasn't he the one who killed people by putting them into a wood or
plastic chipper??? No wonder there were some who taunted him.
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| User: "Woodswun" |
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| Title: Re: Saddam Execution Video |
03 Jan 2007 07:44:07 PM |
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On Tue, 02 Jan 2007 15:19:56 +0000, Ken wrote:
Jeff wrote:
I find it kind of ironic that the people executing Saddam were yelling
Muqtada Muqtada in reference to the anti-American cleric Muqtada al sadr.
That guy has been one of the main causes of sectarian violence and chaos in
Iraq. I have read that Saddam was tormented the whole night before. He tried
to sleep but the guards kept laughing and dancing at him all night yelling
"you are going to hang/die/burn in hell". He refused to eat dinner and
breakfast but wanted a cigarette. They even denied him that.
http://tools.freewebware.com/forum.vhtml?bi=b924c678ceb378d0a570da1889be7569
&a=view&id=438109
We should feel compassion for Saddam in the way he was executed???
Wasn't he the one who killed people by putting them into a wood or
plastic chipper??? No wonder there were some who taunted him.
That was his son. Put them in feet first so he could watch the terror in
their eyes and hear them screaming until the end. No question but that
they were a sick bunch, but does that mean it's okay for the current
regime to be abusive? It's not a question of feeling compassion for
Saddam so much as a question of have we killed 3000 Americans for a regime
that may not be any better? Disturbing thought, no?
Woods
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| User: "Ken" |
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| Title: Re: Saddam Execution Video |
04 Jan 2007 08:29:57 AM |
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Woodswun wrote:
On Tue, 02 Jan 2007 15:19:56 +0000, Ken wrote:
Jeff wrote:
I find it kind of ironic that the people executing Saddam were yelling
Muqtada Muqtada in reference to the anti-American cleric Muqtada al sadr.
That guy has been one of the main causes of sectarian violence and chaos in
Iraq. I have read that Saddam was tormented the whole night before. He tried
to sleep but the guards kept laughing and dancing at him all night yelling
"you are going to hang/die/burn in hell". He refused to eat dinner and
breakfast but wanted a cigarette. They even denied him that.
http://tools.freewebware.com/forum.vhtml?bi=b924c678ceb378d0a570da1889be7569
&a=view&id=438109
We should feel compassion for Saddam in the way he was executed???
Wasn't he the one who killed people by putting them into a wood or
plastic chipper??? No wonder there were some who taunted him.
That was his son. Put them in feet first so he could watch the terror in
their eyes and hear them screaming until the end. No question but that
they were a sick bunch, but does that mean it's okay for the current
regime to be abusive? It's not a question of feeling compassion for
Saddam so much as a question of have we killed 3000 Americans for a regime
that may not be any better? Disturbing thought, no?
Woods
First off, I think you will find he TRAINED his sons in brutality.
They MAY have initiated the chipper procedure on their own (I can't say
for sure), but only after sitting through many examples of brutality by
Saddam.
As for being disturbed by the deaths of 3000 Americans: Yes, I am
disturbed by the death of ANY Americans. I am disturbed by the deaths
of those Americans who died in WWII and all wars. But does that mean
that we should have let Hitler and Tojo continue because it would have
cost some American lives? Saddam was a person who murdered his own
people in order to maintain control. He also continually had his troops
shoot at our planes flying over the country. Any one of those events
could be construed as an act of war!
I hope your feelings about the loss of our troops is sincere, rather
than rhetoric reflecting your displeasure with GWB. Most people in this
country understand how vulnerable they are to people who wish to kill
them. That is why you now have PASSENGERS on air planes taking action
when someone threatens their safety.
Finally, although the present regime in Iraq leaves a lot to be
desired, it has a LONG way to go before it equals the one it replaced.
If anything, I think the regime and the coalition is TOO SOFT. I would
surround an area with suspected terrorists and give those innocents who
wish to leave an opportunity to do so. After that, destroy them.
Semper Fi
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| User: "Woodswun" |
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| Title: Re: Saddam Execution Video |
04 Jan 2007 05:21:30 PM |
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On Thu, 04 Jan 2007 14:29:57 +0000, Ken wrote:
Woodswun wrote:
On Tue, 02 Jan 2007 15:19:56 +0000, Ken wrote:
Jeff wrote:
I find it kind of ironic that the people executing Saddam were yelling
Muqtada Muqtada in reference to the anti-American cleric Muqtada al sadr.
That guy has been one of the main causes of sectarian violence and chaos in
Iraq. I have read that Saddam was tormented the whole night before. He tried
to sleep but the guards kept laughing and dancing at him all night yelling
"you are going to hang/die/burn in hell". He refused to eat dinner and
breakfast but wanted a cigarette. They even denied him that.
http://tools.freewebware.com/forum.vhtml?bi=b924c678ceb378d0a570da1889be7569
&a=view&id=438109
We should feel compassion for Saddam in the way he was executed???
Wasn't he the one who killed people by putting them into a wood or
plastic chipper??? No wonder there were some who taunted him.
That was his son. Put them in feet first so he could watch the terror in
their eyes and hear them screaming until the end. No question but that
they were a sick bunch, but does that mean it's okay for the current
regime to be abusive? It's not a question of feeling compassion for
Saddam so much as a question of have we killed 3000 Americans for a regime
that may not be any better? Disturbing thought, no?
Woods
First off, I think you will find he TRAINED his sons in brutality.
They MAY have initiated the chipper procedure on their own (I can't say
for sure), but only after sitting through many examples of brutality by
Saddam.
As for being disturbed by the deaths of 3000 Americans: Yes, I am
disturbed by the death of ANY Americans. I am disturbed by the deaths
of those Americans who died in WWII and all wars. But does that mean
that we should have let Hitler and Tojo continue because it would have
cost some American lives? Saddam was a person who murdered his own
people in order to maintain control. He also continually had his troops
shoot at our planes flying over the country. Any one of those events
could be construed as an act of war!
I hope your feelings about the loss of our troops is sincere, rather
than rhetoric reflecting your displeasure with GWB. Most people in this
country understand how vulnerable they are to people who wish to kill
them. That is why you now have PASSENGERS on air planes taking action
when someone threatens their safety.
Finally, although the present regime in Iraq leaves a lot to be
desired, it has a LONG way to go before it equals the one it replaced.
If anything, I think the regime and the coalition is TOO SOFT. I would
surround an area with suspected terrorists and give those innocents who
wish to leave an opportunity to do so. After that, destroy them.
Semper Fi
I'm not going to argue with you. I was just clarifying that being
horrified by the mistreatment of a prisoner, any prisoner, at the hand of
a government we put into place by force does not necessarily imply that
there is one bit of "sympathy" for said prisoner.
That said, I think you're taking great leaps in logic to attempt to
justify your support of US aggressiveness under Bush.
Woods
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| User: "Werewolfy" |
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| Title: Re: Saddam Execution Video |
04 Jan 2007 08:56:00 PM |
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Woodswun wrote:
"I'm not going to argue with you."
I will though, Woodsy. There's nothing whatsoever wrong with your
concern.
If we descend to the levels of those who we revile...we are no better
than them, our acts are no less barbaric.
If we want to behave like cave men, then have a nice jeer as you kill
them. If we want to be accepted as civilised, do what must be done in a
dignified way and leave the screams of 'blood lust' to lynch mobs.
Simple really.
Werewolfy
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