Given the recent event in Israel, one can't help but wonder, even though
this seems totally impossible today, if the pursued of quatrain 8,96 is not
still about the prosecution in the court of law (pursuit in French) of
Saddam, and that his daughter will be somehow caught and will give witness
on his behalf and save him from execution, hence he will be in jail for
life, but alive for the remainder of it.
http://www.propheties.it/no/ottava%20centuria/c8q96.htm
The sterile synagogue without any fruit,
Will be received by the infidels,
The daughter of the prosecuted (man) of Babylon,
miserable and sad, will clip his wings.
First, the without any fruit part, has to be about some set back, as the
Hebrew state has always been the most fruitful of all the states in that
area, despite the persecution it is undergoing all the time. But these days,
and for the last year since the disengagement, (100 percent of the Gaza
Strip was evacuated and handed over to the Palestinians, 300 square miles of
the West Bank were evacuated), it has been hit quite hard and it is quite
in a bind.
First, the sterility may be relative, and ntowithstanding the awar, the mere
withdrawal last year, in PNB terms, cost so far 2 billions US dollars, but
the question here is the how can this be associated with the lack of
reproduction... of production from, say, the soil: We know that the pull out
from Gaza cost a lot to the overall israeli agricultural production
http://www.aipac.org/disengagement/byTheNumbers.htm :
a) Almost 1,000 acres of greenhouses were turned over to the Palestinians
b) Israel lost 15% of its agricultural exports that originated in Gaza
We also know that many jobs were lost and that they even let greenhouses go
to waste, but anyway, these were net losses in other agricultural production
as well
(http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewForeignBureaus.asp?Page=%5CForeignBureaus%5Carchive%5C200504%5CFOR20050411a.html
):
a) 10,000 people employed in agriculture and related industries in the Gush
Katif area of Gaza, including 5,000 Palestinians, had to seek new jobs.
b) 60 percent of Israel's cherry tomato exports came from the Gaza Strip.
Israel's withdrawal from Gaza extinguished this economic resource
c) 70 percent of Israel's organic produce was grown in Gaza. This was
another economic resource that was lost as part of disengagement
d) 60 percent of the herbs exported from Israel came from Gush Katif
e)$120 million in flowers and produce exported annually from Gush Katif were
lost
But of course there are lots of other costs I won't get into here, to
relocate and employ the people from these area and rebuild everything
elsewhere... If only this withdrawal (see:
https://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/gz.html ) that allowed
1.4 million Palestinians living in the Gaza Strip, many of them in
Palestinian Authority-controlled refugee camps, to now live under their own
leaders, and about Israel's withdrawal from four northern West Bank
settlements, it created an area more than twice the size of Gaza's 140
square miles under Palestinian control and devoid of any Israeli presence,
(if only it) would have solved the problem as it was supposed to do... but
no, it triggered instead another much more costly problem, it doesn't work
like it wa supposed to, like any deal with any terrorist entity always leads
to. they always get the money or whatever, then they make more violence,
much like the farce they are pulling right now over the eyes of the West in
order to get money. but again, let's focus on this sterility problem. It
cost a lot more than the basic loss to the economy this pullout, because the
terrorists attacked israel even more: We know for isntance that since the
pullout a year ago
(http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/Terrorism+Obstacle+to+Peace/Palestinian+terror+since+2000/Victims+of+Palestinian+Violence+and+Terrorism+sinc.htm
) that:
- More than 1,600 attacks ranging from rockets and suicide bombings to small
arms fire have been perpetrated against Israelis by Palestinian terrorists
( ) and
- more than 500 rockets have been fired into Israel from Gaza...
And now Lebanon happens.
The dispute with the Shebaa farms is another loss in term of (re)production.
We have seen that Syria decides to launch a war through their Iranian
sponsored puppet terrorists 'before' they claim they didn't own these, just
to ***** off the Israeli who had complied with all the requirement of the
resolution when they wirthdrew. Anyway, this cost a lot more to the economy
and to the bioplogical growth:
(http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/Terrorism-+Obstacle+to+Peace/Terrorism+from+Lebanon-+Hizbullah/Hizbullah+attack+in+northern+Israel+and+Israels+response+12-Jul-2006.htm
):
- $1.6 billion: The estimated cost of damage to the economy
- $5.3 billion: The cost of the war
Plus another billion of compensation to the population and local
govermenment)
- 20 percent: The amount of decrease in tourism
- $222 million: The total expected loss to the tourism industry
- 630: The number of factories in northern Israel that were closed
- $1.4 billion: The amount of money businesses in Northern Israel lost
This Lebanon war alone will be an estimated loss of 1.5 percent of GDP.
But in term of organic growth, which was our interest in the first place,
what tdid the lebanese terrorists do to israel:
- 50 - 60 years: Time it will take for forests to recove
- 6,178: The number of acres of grazing land burned
- 618: The number of acres of natural or planted forest burned
So anyway, it will be a year when Israel may not produce at all because of
these two terrorist states, now we know they have put in office terrorists,
we know not only because they asre terrorists, but because they act as
terorists even in power. This was the hard thing to show, the sterility of
Israel, how could it be sterile? But in the light of the pullout last year,
and of the war this year, we can see that the production will not yield the
fruits it would normally do, because of its domestic shortcommings. So, to
summarize, these 2 tragic events deal with the first line. (Note, I can't
help but say that I wish all these countries that give money to Lebanon
would give at least an equal amount to Israel since it is the one that was
attacked, and had to deal with the crazy scums all by itself.)
Hence the quatrain that reads like this:
The sterile synagogue without any fruit,
Will be received by the infidels,
The daughter of the prosecuted (man) of Babylon,
miserable and sad, will clip his wings.
Now, if the pursued is Saddam, and its trial, then one can see that what the
quatrain may say is that Israel will be accepted by the Muslims (of course
here the infidels would be the Muslims, a poor choice of words in 2006 but
in 1556, it was not).
So again, besides Saddam not being executed, the otehr one of the
unthinkable thing that may be about to happen is that the Muslim stop
fighting Israel, even aftrter all the animosity they manifest, as they may
realize that preventing her from being productive is even less to their
advantage... (???) I don't knwo what could make them change their ways since
it is not rationale to begin with and it seems to worsen. But again, if
Nostradamus speaks about Saddam in this quatrain, this could be it. And the
daughter would be his real daughter. For instance, we know that Saddam's
daughters speak on his behalf,
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/12/15/iraq/main588752.shtml wanting an
international trial for him, even though he had their husbands killed...
We also know for now that one of them at least is wanted in Iraq but is
protected from prosecution by the Jordan King
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/5138410.stm , so this
representation in court on her part would have to be the pretext to save her
father from execution, even at the risk of her own demise, and so the two
last line may be exactly as terrible as they sound, for her to manifest
herself and speak out to his defense, which would permit that he would be
condemned to life in jail (clip his wings.) but not to death.
But again, this is incredible, today, so it could be about another era, and
another person, we hardly can ever know in advance. We won't know for at
least another 4 months in the best of cases, but it may take shape during
that time...
We shall see.
J.
P.S. Sorry if I do not reply right away, I have been a bit busy with schools
starting and all, and had barely the time to finish the last message I was
arrived to (I had it in my draft posts - a reply to Shastaman I had written
the first two lines I finished ion two message yesterday I think, anyway) as
I was asked to do something technical related, for someone; but anyway I
should be finished soon with what I am doing, and will check out replies
(and other posts) within a few days at the latest.
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23 Aug 2006 01:53:42 PM |
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Come on Jean Get with the Program Saddie has to HANG (he has the pornos
of Of Rumsfeld and Cheney and that old Donkey)
The Quatrain is about those Sterile Friggin Jews headed for the biggest
Holocaust EVER and this time they deserve It
But then again you did have a Misconception larger than your EGO
HINT hint.
Try the one about the hated leader and the peace not coming back
LB
Jean Guernon wrote:
Given the recent event in Israel, one can't help but wonder, even though
this seems totally impossible today, if the pursued of quatrain 8,96 is not
still about the prosecution in the court of law (pursuit in French) of
Saddam, and that his daughter will be somehow caught and will give witness
on his behalf and save him from execution, hence he will be in jail for
life, but alive for the remainder of it.
http://www.propheties.it/no/ottava%20centuria/c8q96.htm
The sterile synagogue without any fruit,
Will be received by the infidels,
The daughter of the prosecuted (man) of Babylon,
miserable and sad, will clip his wings.
First, the without any fruit part, has to be about some set back, as the
Hebrew state has always been the most fruitful of all the states in that
area, despite the persecution it is undergoing all the time. But these days,
and for the last year since the disengagement, (100 percent of the Gaza
Strip was evacuated and handed over to the Palestinians, 300 square miles of
the West Bank were evacuated), it has been hit quite hard and it is quite
in a bind.
First, the sterility may be relative, and ntowithstanding the awar, the mere
withdrawal last year, in PNB terms, cost so far 2 billions US dollars, but
the question here is the how can this be associated with the lack of
reproduction... of production from, say, the soil: We know that the pull out
from Gaza cost a lot to the overall israeli agricultural production
http://www.aipac.org/disengagement/byTheNumbers.htm :
a) Almost 1,000 acres of greenhouses were turned over to the Palestinians
b) Israel lost 15% of its agricultural exports that originated in Gaza
We also know that many jobs were lost and that they even let greenhouses go
to waste, but anyway, these were net losses in other agricultural production
as well
(http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewForeignBureaus.asp?Page=%5CForeignBureaus%5Carchive%5C200504%5CFOR20050411a.html
):
a) 10,000 people employed in agriculture and related industries in the Gush
Katif area of Gaza, including 5,000 Palestinians, had to seek new jobs.
b) 60 percent of Israel's cherry tomato exports came from the Gaza Strip.
Israel's withdrawal from Gaza extinguished this economic resource
c) 70 percent of Israel's organic produce was grown in Gaza. This was
another economic resource that was lost as part of disengagement
d) 60 percent of the herbs exported from Israel came from Gush Katif
e)$120 million in flowers and produce exported annually from Gush Katif were
lost
But of course there are lots of other costs I won't get into here, to
relocate and employ the people from these area and rebuild everything
elsewhere... If only this withdrawal (see:
https://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/gz.html ) that allowed
1.4 million Palestinians living in the Gaza Strip, many of them in
Palestinian Authority-controlled refugee camps, to now live under their own
leaders, and about Israel's withdrawal from four northern West Bank
settlements, it created an area more than twice the size of Gaza's 140
square miles under Palestinian control and devoid of any Israeli presence,
(if only it) would have solved the problem as it was supposed to do... but
no, it triggered instead another much more costly problem, it doesn't work
like it wa supposed to, like any deal with any terrorist entity always leads
to. they always get the money or whatever, then they make more violence,
much like the farce they are pulling right now over the eyes of the West in
order to get money. but again, let's focus on this sterility problem. It
cost a lot more than the basic loss to the economy this pullout, because the
terrorists attacked israel even more: We know for isntance that since the
pullout a year ago
(http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/Terrorism+Obstacle+to+Peace/Palestinian+terror+since+2000/Victims+of+Palestinian+Violence+and+Terrorism+sinc.htm
) that:
- More than 1,600 attacks ranging from rockets and suicide bombings to small
arms fire have been perpetrated against Israelis by Palestinian terrorists
( ) and
- more than 500 rockets have been fired into Israel from Gaza...
And now Lebanon happens.
The dispute with the Shebaa farms is another loss in term of (re)production.
We have seen that Syria decides to launch a war through their Iranian
sponsored puppet terrorists 'before' they claim they didn't own these, just
to ***** off the Israeli who had complied with all the requirement of the
resolution when they wirthdrew. Anyway, this cost a lot more to the economy
and to the bioplogical growth:
(http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/Terrorism-+Obstacle+to+Peace/Terrorism+from+Lebanon-+Hizbullah/Hizbullah+attack+in+northern+Israel+and+Israels+response+12-Jul-2006.htm
):
- $1.6 billion: The estimated cost of damage to the economy
- $5.3 billion: The cost of the war
Plus another billion of compensation to the population and local
govermenment)
- 20 percent: The amount of decrease in tourism
- $222 million: The total expected loss to the tourism industry
- 630: The number of factories in northern Israel that were closed
- $1.4 billion: The amount of money businesses in Northern Israel lost
This Lebanon war alone will be an estimated loss of 1.5 percent of GDP.
But in term of organic growth, which was our interest in the first place,
what tdid the lebanese terrorists do to israel:
- 50 - 60 years: Time it will take for forests to recove
- 6,178: The number of acres of grazing land burned
- 618: The number of acres of natural or planted forest burned
So anyway, it will be a year when Israel may not produce at all because of
these two terrorist states, now we know they have put in office terrorists,
we know not only because they asre terrorists, but because they act as
terorists even in power. This was the hard thing to show, the sterility of
Israel, how could it be sterile? But in the light of the pullout last year,
and of the war this year, we can see that the production will not yield the
fruits it would normally do, because of its domestic shortcommings. So, to
summarize, these 2 tragic events deal with the first line. (Note, I can't
help but say that I wish all these countries that give money to Lebanon
would give at least an equal amount to Israel since it is the one that was
attacked, and had to deal with the crazy scums all by itself.)
Hence the quatrain that reads like this:
The sterile synagogue without any fruit,
Will be received by the infidels,
The daughter of the prosecuted (man) of Babylon,
miserable and sad, will clip his wings.
Now, if the pursued is Saddam, and its trial, then one can see that what the
quatrain may say is that Israel will be accepted by the Muslims (of course
here the infidels would be the Muslims, a poor choice of words in 2006 but
in 1556, it was not).
So again, besides Saddam not being executed, the otehr one of the
unthinkable thing that may be about to happen is that the Muslim stop
fighting Israel, even aftrter all the animosity they manifest, as they may
realize that preventing her from being productive is even less to their
advantage... (???) I don't knwo what could make them change their ways since
it is not rationale to begin with and it seems to worsen. But again, if
Nostradamus speaks about Saddam in this quatrain, this could be it. And the
daughter would be his real daughter. For instance, we know that Saddam's
daughters speak on his behalf,
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/12/15/iraq/main588752.shtml wanting an
international trial for him, even though he had their husbands killed...
We also know for now that one of them at least is wanted in Iraq but is
protected from prosecution by the Jordan King
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/5138410.stm , so this
representation in court on her part would have to be the pretext to save her
father from execution, even at the risk of her own demise, and so the two
last line may be exactly as terrible as they sound, for her to manifest
herself and speak out to his defense, which would permit that he would be
condemned to life in jail (clip his wings.) but not to death.
But again, this is incredible, today, so it could be about another era, and
another person, we hardly can ever know in advance. We won't know for at
least another 4 months in the best of cases, but it may take shape during
that time...
We shall see.
J.
P.S. Sorry if I do not reply right away, I have been a bit busy with schools
starting and all, and had barely the time to finish the last message I was
arrived to (I had it in my draft posts - a reply to Shastaman I had written
the first two lines I finished ion two message yesterday I think, anyway) as
I was asked to do something technical related, for someone; but anyway I
should be finished soon with what I am doing, and will check out replies
(and other posts) within a few days at the latest.
.
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24 Aug 2006 07:24:02 AM |
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Jean Guernon skrev:
Given the recent event in Israel, one can't help but wonder, even though
this seems totally impossible today, if the pursued of quatrain 8,96 is not
still about the prosecution in the court of law (pursuit in French) of
Saddam, and that his daughter will be somehow caught and will give witness
on his behalf and save him from execution, hence he will be in jail for
life, but alive for the remainder of it.
http://www.propheties.it/no/ottava%20centuria/c8q96.htm
The sterile synagogue without any fruit,
Will be received by the infidels,
The daughter of the prosecuted (man) of Babylon,
miserable and sad, will clip his wings.
You seem to be clutching at straws, you wee drinking kiddy-stalking
weirdo. Business as usual then...
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25 Aug 2006 02:24:07 AM |
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<parris_k@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1156422242.354746.98220@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
You seem to be clutching at straws, you wee drinking kiddy-stalking
weirdo. Business as usual then...
Hey TW nice to see you again ;0)
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krib
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23 Aug 2006 11:07:45 PM |
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Sorry to 'dis-agree' there Jean !!!
Suddam's conquest, downfall, and capture - was NOTATED by Nostradamus -
this I agree.
But, it's his MOCK TRIAL that I think Nostradamus could have cared less
about !!!
His trial is Meaningless in the "Grand Scheme" of LIFEs "Big Plan".
Just A Thought.
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25 Aug 2006 10:58:56 PM |
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All the posts by people other than you are, up to tight now anyway, either
anti-semite replies or by people who don,t care about Nostradamus, so I
won't bother replying to them. You're the only one who made an intelligent
intervention, and thank you for that.
The answer: There are two events in this quatrain, one is Israel, the other
is Iraq; one, may simply have some temporal hints if you wish.
But I personally think that both are significant in the overall scheme of
things. And if accurately interpreted, both are part of Universal History
and important milsetones.
J.
"kmiller" <miller.k@sympatico.ca> a écrit dans le message de news:
1156392465.917135.39050@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Sorry to 'dis-agree' there Jean !!!
Suddam's conquest, downfall, and capture - was NOTATED by Nostradamus -
this I agree.
But, it's his MOCK TRIAL that I think Nostradamus could have cared less
about !!!
His trial is Meaningless in the "Grand Scheme" of LIFEs "Big Plan".
Just A Thought.
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29 Aug 2006 03:45:28 PM |
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Jean Guernon wrote:
All the posts by people other than you are, up to tight now anyway, either
anti-semite replies or by people who don,t care about Nostradamus, so I
won't bother replying to them. You're the only one who made an intelligent
intervention, and thank you for that.
The answer: There are two events in this quatrain, one is Israel, the other
is Iraq; one, may simply have some temporal hints if you wish.
But I personally think that both are significant in the overall scheme of
things. And if accurately interpreted, both are part of Universal History
and important milsetones.
J.
Sorry Jean YO HAVE NO CLue and are but fodder for F Wheen... bad
comprehension no idea and a lousy apologist for a Half sucked out
corrupt regime.
Get a clue before you start spreading lies maybe go back to school and
start where you failed.
3 out of 10 exegete in name only.
Better Yet get down to Baghdad, and make yourself useful for an IED.
LB
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30 Aug 2006 10:00:37 AM |
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In other words, you have no alternative to propose but your own racism and
nazism.
Who cares?
J.
<leigh8bee@optusnet.com.au> a écrit dans le message de news:
1156884328.332964.97000@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
Jean Guernon wrote:
All the posts by people other than you are, up to tight now anyway,
either
anti-semite replies or by people who don,t care about Nostradamus, so I
won't bother replying to them. You're the only one who made an
intelligent
intervention, and thank you for that.
The answer: There are two events in this quatrain, one is Israel, the
other
is Iraq; one, may simply have some temporal hints if you wish.
But I personally think that both are significant in the overall scheme of
things. And if accurately interpreted, both are part of Universal History
and important milsetones.
J.
Sorry Jean YO HAVE NO CLue and are but fodder for F Wheen... bad
comprehension no idea and a lousy apologist for a Half sucked out
corrupt regime.
Get a clue before you start spreading lies maybe go back to school and
start where you failed.
3 out of 10 exegete in name only.
Better Yet get down to Baghdad, and make yourself useful for an IED.
LB
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27 Aug 2006 05:50:25 PM |
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Jean Guernon wrote:
All the posts by people other than you are, up to tight now anyway, either
anti-semite replies or by people who don,t care about Nostradamus, so I
won't bother replying to them. You're the only one who made an intelligent
intervention, and thank you for that.
(*delurks*)
Hi Jean,
Unfortunately, most of the posters here are just trolls who love
flooding this newsgroup with off-topic rants about politics and driving
any real Nostradamus fans away with abuse. It's a shame, but there you
go. Maybe we should find out how to start
alt.prophecies.nostradamus.moderated just for the fans, to keep the
trolls out?
The answer: There are two events in this quatrain, one is Israel, the other
is Iraq; one, may simply have some temporal hints if you wish.
Anyway, here's a serious, constructive comment on your interpretation
of the "sterile synagogue" quatrain (C.8, Q.96)
The big problem is that you're following one English translation.
Always go back to the original French, because the translation could
accidentally change the meaning. (e.g. the "Games of Death" quatrain,
where the last line is famously translated as, "And the dead shall rise
from their graves," when it really should be, "Those who enter the tomb
shall leave it again.")
In this case this French is:
La synagogue sterile sans nul fruit
Sera receu entre les infideles
De Babylon la fille du porsuit
Misere & triste luy trenchera les ailes
Notice how "De Babylon" is at the _start_ of the third line, not at the
end of the line like the "from Babylon" in the English version. This
means that it could perhaps apply to the infidels or the daughter,
instead of the prosecuted man.
Also, the English translation has "his wings" in the last line, where
the French has "les ailes" (the wings). They could be the daughter's
wings, the infidels' wings or even the synagogue's wings. Or just
wings in general. In fact, the whole of the last line could even be
translated as something like "Misery & sadness will clip the wings."
No, I don't pretend to know what any of it means, or what it's about,
or anything like that. But I do know that you're not going to get
anywhere using innacurate translations. It's that sort of approach
that gives Nostradamus fans an unfair reputation as crackpots or
idiots, and gives more ammunition to the trolls in this group!
I know, you did a lot of hard work researching as those statistics
about Israel's agricultural exports and stuff. But I'm sorry, it's all
been for nothing.
(*retreats back into lurking to avoid the innevitable flames*)
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28 Aug 2006 07:38:54 PM |
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<solar.penguin@tiscali.co.uk> a écrit dans le message de news:
1156719025.513364.87530@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Jean Guernon wrote:
All the posts by people other than you are, up to tight now anyway,
either
anti-semite replies or by people who don,t care about Nostradamus, so I
won't bother replying to them. You're the only one who made an
intelligent
intervention, and thank you for that.
(*delurks*)
Hi Jean,
Unfortunately, most of the posters here are just trolls who love
flooding this newsgroup with off-topic rants about politics and driving
any real Nostradamus fans away with abuse. It's a shame, but there you
go. Maybe we should find out how to start
alt.prophecies.nostradamus.moderated just for the fans, to keep the
trolls out?
The answer: There are two events in this quatrain, one is Israel, the
other
is Iraq; one, may simply have some temporal hints if you wish.
Anyway, here's a serious, constructive comment on your interpretation
of the "sterile synagogue" quatrain (C.8, Q.96)
The big problem is that you're following one English translation.
Always go back to the original French, because the translation could
accidentally change the meaning. (e.g. the "Games of Death" quatrain,
where the last line is famously translated as, "And the dead shall rise
from their graves," when it really should be, "Those who enter the tomb
shall leave it again.")
In this case this French is:
La synagogue sterile sans nul fruit
Sera receu entre les infideles
De Babylon la fille du porsuit
Misere & triste luy trenchera les ailes
Notice how "De Babylon" is at the _start_ of the third line, not at the
end of the line like the "from Babylon" in the English version. This
means that it could perhaps apply to the infidels or the daughter,
instead of the prosecuted man.
Also, the English translation has "his wings" in the last line, where
the French has "les ailes" (the wings). They could be the daughter's
wings, the infidels' wings or even the synagogue's wings. Or just
wings in general. In fact, the whole of the last line could even be
translated as something like "Misery & sadness will clip the wings."
No, I don't pretend to know what any of it means, or what it's about,
or anything like that. But I do know that you're not going to get
anywhere using innacurate translations. It's that sort of approach
that gives Nostradamus fans an unfair reputation as crackpots or
idiots, and gives more ammunition to the trolls in this group!
I know, you did a lot of hard work researching as those statistics
about Israel's agricultural exports and stuff. But I'm sorry, it's all
been for nothing.
(*retreats back into lurking to avoid the innevitable flames*)
Well, I am a researcher. It is always good to know more, so it is never for
nothing, but especially not in this case.
"From Babylon" is an interesting observation. could the synagogue be
received amongst the infidels of Babylon? Hardly plausible geographically.
One has to use logic you know. I am a specialist in Nostradamus studies. I
do pride myself in getting the proper old French sense from the texts. So, I
would tell you if I thought you might have a point. Now, about your second
observation, no, it can't be "Misery & sadness will clip the wings" because
of the word "luy".
This is unescapable, you need to read and understand the text. It reads,
(From babylon, the daughter of the prosecuted), 'Misere & triste luy
trenchera les ailes', i.e. 'Misery and sad will slice him the wings'. We say
of course 'will slice his (or her or its) wings', because it is the way to
say it in English. It has to be the slicing of some individual's wings.
Can't be the infidels, it would read "leur" tranchera..., not "luy"
tranchera... This is something anyone familiar with French would know, which
tells me you are not.
Hardly can be about the synagogue even though it is the former popular
interpretation, because it has no wing.
Remains the daughter and the pursued (prosecuted). Now if one considers the
daughter, logically it would imply, that Misery can slice wings. To me,
logically, it can only be about the daughter slicing the wings of the
prosecuted, as sad as it makes her, because of the misery of the situation
perhaps? On that there may be speculation.
Now, if you can come up with better arguments, I'd love to hear them.
J.
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30 Aug 2006 10:01:44 AM |
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"Jean Guernon" <jguernon@globetrotter.net> a écrit dans le message de news:
y0MIg.17652$395.1300@edtnps90...
<solar.penguin@tiscali.co.uk> a écrit dans le message de news:
1156719025.513364.87530@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Jean Guernon wrote:
All the posts by people other than you are, up to tight now anyway,
either
anti-semite replies or by people who don,t care about Nostradamus, so I
won't bother replying to them. You're the only one who made an
intelligent
intervention, and thank you for that.
(*delurks*)
Hi Jean,
Unfortunately, most of the posters here are just trolls who love
flooding this newsgroup with off-topic rants about politics and driving
any real Nostradamus fans away with abuse. It's a shame, but there you
go. Maybe we should find out how to start
alt.prophecies.nostradamus.moderated just for the fans, to keep the
trolls out?
The answer: There are two events in this quatrain, one is Israel, the
other
is Iraq; one, may simply have some temporal hints if you wish.
Anyway, here's a serious, constructive comment on your interpretation
of the "sterile synagogue" quatrain (C.8, Q.96)
The big problem is that you're following one English translation.
Always go back to the original French, because the translation could
accidentally change the meaning. (e.g. the "Games of Death" quatrain,
where the last line is famously translated as, "And the dead shall rise
from their graves," when it really should be, "Those who enter the tomb
shall leave it again.")
In this case this French is:
La synagogue sterile sans nul fruit
Sera receu entre les infideles
De Babylon la fille du porsuit
Misere & triste luy trenchera les ailes
Notice how "De Babylon" is at the _start_ of the third line, not at the
end of the line like the "from Babylon" in the English version. This
means that it could perhaps apply to the infidels or the daughter,
instead of the prosecuted man.
Also, the English translation has "his wings" in the last line, where
the French has "les ailes" (the wings). They could be the daughter's
wings, the infidels' wings or even the synagogue's wings. Or just
wings in general. In fact, the whole of the last line could even be
translated as something like "Misery & sadness will clip the wings."
No, I don't pretend to know what any of it means, or what it's about,
or anything like that. But I do know that you're not going to get
anywhere using innacurate translations. It's that sort of approach
that gives Nostradamus fans an unfair reputation as crackpots or
idiots, and gives more ammunition to the trolls in this group!
I know, you did a lot of hard work researching as those statistics
about Israel's agricultural exports and stuff. But I'm sorry, it's all
been for nothing.
(*retreats back into lurking to avoid the innevitable flames*)
Well, I am a researcher. It is always good to know more, so it is never
for nothing, but especially not in this case.
"From Babylon" is an interesting observation. could the synagogue be
received amongst the infidels of Babylon? Hardly plausible geographically.
And BTW, hardly plausible without a period after Babylon.
J.
One has to use logic you know. I am a specialist in Nostradamus studies. I
do pride myself in getting the proper old French sense from the texts. So,
I would tell you if I thought you might have a point. Now, about your
second observation, no, it can't be "Misery & sadness will clip the wings"
because of the word "luy".
This is unescapable, you need to read and understand the text. It reads,
(From babylon, the daughter of the prosecuted), 'Misere & triste luy
trenchera les ailes', i.e. 'Misery and sad will slice him the wings'. We
say of course 'will slice his (or her or its) wings', because it is the
way to say it in English. It has to be the slicing of some individual's
wings.
Can't be the infidels, it would read "leur" tranchera..., not "luy"
tranchera... This is something anyone familiar with French would know,
which tells me you are not.
Hardly can be about the synagogue even though it is the former popular
interpretation, because it has no wing.
Remains the daughter and the pursued (prosecuted). Now if one considers
the daughter, logically it would imply, that Misery can slice wings. To
me, logically, it can only be about the daughter slicing the wings of the
prosecuted, as sad as it makes her, because of the misery of the situation
perhaps? On that there may be speculation.
Now, if you can come up with better arguments, I'd love to hear them.
J.
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| User: "" |
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03 Sep 2006 05:47:03 AM |
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, hardly plausible without a period after Babylon.
J.
One has to use logic you know. I am a specialist in Nostradamus studies. I
do pride myself in getting the proper old French sense from the texts. So,
I would tell you if I thought you might have a point. Now, about your
second observation, no, it can't be "Misery & sadness will clip the wings"
because of the word "luy".
Sorry son, like that dickwad (Claude) PLM pulled your whiskers
(reguarly) and I do believe he would put you in the category of
"Elemental Schoolboy Howlers"
So bad is your comprehension, not to mention your explanations, and
despite that fact that old PLM made some headway in the terms of
Orthography and etymology you continue in the inept methodology is your
education system in Quebec so bad or did you just miss out?
Maybe you have a very sloppy methodoilogy like being a Mcdonalds of
Nostradamus free and easy and full of crap.
This is unescapable, you need to read and understand the text. It reads,
(From babylon, the daughter of the prosecuted), 'Misere & triste luy
trenchera les ailes', i.e. 'Misery and sad will slice him the wings'. We
say of course 'will slice his (or her or its) wings', because it is the
way to say it in English. It has to be the slicing of some individual's
wings.
Can't be the infidels, it would read "leur" tranchera..., not "luy"
tranchera... This is something anyone familiar with French would know,
which tells me you are not.
Hardly can be about the synagogue even though it is the former popular
interpretation, because it has no wing.
Remains the daughter and the pursued (prosecuted). Now if one considers
the daughter, logically it would imply, that Misery can slice wings. To
me, logically, it can only be about the daughter slicing the wings of the
prosecuted, as sad as it makes her, because of the misery of the situation
perhaps? On that there may be speculation.
Now, if you can come up with better arguments, I'd love to hear them.
J.
Who cares as long some jewish folk get to taste what they have been
dishing out!
What goes around comes around!
Oh and for the record I ain't no Nazi I just don't have the dress
sense!
LB
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Saddam's trial and Nostradamus? |
25 Aug 2006 06:10:47 AM |
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kmiller wrote:
Sorry to 'dis-agree' there Jean !!!
Suddam's conquest, downfall, and capture - was NOTATED by Nostradamus -
this I agree.
But, it's his MOCK TRIAL that I think Nostradamus could have cared less
about !!!
His trial is Meaningless in the "Grand Scheme" of LIFEs "Big Plan".
Just A Thought.
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His trial will not be altogether meaningless but for the western
leaders when the Islamic empire forms and what is good enough for
Goose will surely be worse for Gander!
LB
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| User: "Perseid" |
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25 Aug 2006 06:35:23 AM |
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After Much Chewing of Cud and Cogitation, "leigh8bee@optusnet.com.au"
<leigh8bee@optusnet.com.au> Spat the Words
kmiller wrote:
Sorry to 'dis-agree' there Jean !!!
Suddam's conquest, downfall, and capture - was NOTATED by Nostradamus -
this I agree.
But, it's his MOCK TRIAL that I think Nostradamus could have cared less
about !!!
His trial is Meaningless in the "Grand Scheme" of LIFEs "Big Plan".
Just A Thought.
8< |
His trial will not be altogether meaningless but for the western
leaders when the Islamic empire forms and what is good enough for
Goose will surely be worse for Gander!
LB
Turkey has a population of 70 million (almost identical to
Iran). Will Turkey be part of the 'Islamic Empire' ?
What about all the Sunni states like Saudi Arabia. Will these
be part of the 'Islamic Empire' ?
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