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Saddam's WMD have been found
New evidence unveils chemical, biological, nuclear, ballistic arms
Posted: April 26, 2004
1:36 p.m. Eastern
By Kenneth R. Timmerman
2004 Insight/News World Communications Inc.
New evidence out of Iraq suggests the U.S. effort to track down Saddam
Hussein's missing weapons of mass destruction is having better success than is
being reported.
Key assertions by the intelligence community widely judged in the media and by
critics of President Bush as having been false are turning out to have been
true after all.
But this stunning news has received little attention from the major media, and
the president's critics continue to insist that "no weapons" have been found.
In virtually every case -- chemical, biological, nuclear and ballistic missiles
-- the United States has found the weapons and the programs that the Iraqi
dictator successfully concealed for 12 years from U.N. weapons inspectors.
The Iraq Survey Group, ISG, whose intelligence analysts are managed by Charles
Duelfer, a former State Department official and deputy chief of the U.N.-led
arms-inspection teams, has found "hundreds of cases of activities that were
prohibited" under U.N. Security Council resolutions, a senior administration
official tells Insight.
"There is a long list of charges made by the U.S. that have been confirmed, but
none of this seems to mean anything because the weapons that were unaccounted
for by the United Nations remain unaccounted for."
Both Duelfer and his predecessor, David Kay, reported to Congress that the
evidence they had found on the ground in Iraq showed Saddam's regime was in
"material violation" of U.N. Security Council Resolution 1441, the last of 17
resolutions that promised "serious consequences" if Iraq did not make a
complete disclosure of its weapons programs and dismantle them in a verifiable
manner.
The United States cited Iraq's refusal to comply with these demands as one
justification for going to war.
Both Duelfer and Kay found Iraq had "a clandestine network of laboratories and
safe houses with equipment that was suitable to continuing its prohibited
chemical- and biological-weapons [BW] programs," the official said. "They found
a prison laboratory where we suspect they tested biological weapons on human
subjects."
They found equipment for "uranium-enrichment centrifuges" whose only plausible
use was as part of a clandestine nuclear-weapons program. In all these cases,
"Iraqi scientists had been told before the war not to declare their activities
to the U.N. inspectors," the official said.
But while the president's critics and the media might plausibly hide behind
ambiguity and a lack of sensational-looking finds for not reporting some
discoveries, in the case of Saddam's ballistic-missile programs they have no
excuse for their silence.
"Where were the missiles? We found them," another senior administration
official told Insight.
"Saddam Hussein's prohibited missile programs are as close to a slam dunk as
you will ever find for violating United Nations resolutions," the first
official said. Both senior administration officials spoke to Insight on
condition that neither their name nor their agency be identified, but their
accounts of what the United States has found in Iraq coincided in every major
area.
When former weapons inspector Kay reported to Congress in January that the
United States had found "no stockpiles" of forbidden weapons in Iraq, his
conclusions made front-page news. But when he detailed what the ISG had found
in testimony before the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence last
October, few took notice.
Among Kay's revelations, which officials tell Insight have been amplified in
subsequent inspections in recent weeks:
A prison laboratory complex that may have been used for human testing of BW
agents and "that Iraqi officials working to prepare the U.N. inspections were
explicitly ordered not to declare to the U.N." Why was Saddam interested in
testing biological-warfare agents on humans if he didn't have a
biological-weapons program?
"Reference strains" of a wide variety of biological-weapons agents were found
beneath the sink in the home of a prominent Iraqi BW scientist. "We thought it
was a big deal," a senior administration official said. "But it has been
written off [by the press] as a sort of 'starter set.'"
New research on BW-applicable agents, brucella and Congo-Crimean hemorrhagic
fever, and continuing work on ricin and aflatoxin that were not declared to the
United Nations.
A line of unmanned aerial vehicles, UAVs, or drones, "not fully declared at an
undeclared production facility and an admission that they had tested one of
their declared UAVs out to a range of 500 kilometers [311 miles], 350
kilometers [217 miles] beyond the permissible limit."
"Continuing covert capability to manufacture fuel propellant useful only for
prohibited Scud-variant missiles, a capability that was maintained at least
until the end of 2001 and that cooperating Iraqi scientists have said they were
told to conceal from the U.N."
"Plans and advanced design work for new long-range missiles with ranges up to
at least 1,000 kilometers [621 miles] -- well beyond the 150-kilometer-range
limit [93 miles] imposed by the U.N. Missiles of a 1,000-kilometer range would
have allowed Iraq to threaten targets throughout the Middle East, including
Ankara [Turkey], Cairo [Egypt] and Abu Dhabi [United Arab Emirates]."
In addition, through interviews with Iraqi scientists, seized documents and
other evidence, the ISG learned the Iraqi government had made "clandestine
attempts between late 1999 and 2002 to obtain from North Korea technology
related to 1,300-kilometer-range [807 miles] ballistic missiles -- probably the
No Dong -- 300-kilometer-range [186 miles] antiship cruise missiles and other
prohibited military equipment," Kay reported.
In testimony before Congress on March 30, Duelfer, revealed the ISG had found
evidence of a "crash program" to construct new plants capable of making
chemical- and biological-warfare agents.
The ISG also found a previously undeclared program to build a "high-speed rail
gun," a device apparently designed for testing nuclear-weapons materials. That
came in addition to 500 tons of natural uranium stockpiled at Iraq's main
declared nuclear site south of Baghdad, which International Atomic Energy
Agency spokesman Mark Gwozdecky acknowledged to Insight had been intended for
"a clandestine nuclear-weapons program."
In taking apart Iraq's clandestine procurement network, Duelfer said his
investigators had discovered that "the primary source of illicit financing for
this system was oil smuggling conducted through government-to-government
protocols negotiated with neighboring countries [and] from kickback payments
made on contracts set up through the U.N. oil-for-food program."
What the president's critics and the media widely have portrayed as the most
dramatic failure of the U.S. case against Saddam has been the claimed failure
to find "stockpiles" of chemical and biological weapons. But in a June 2003
Washington Post op-ed, former chief U.N. weapons inspector Rolf Ekeus called
such criticism "a distortion and a trivialization of a major threat to
international peace and security."
The October 2002 National Intelligence Estimate on Iraqi Weapons of Mass
Destruction concluded that Saddam "probably has stocked at least 100 metric
tons [MT] and possibly as much as 500 MT of CW [chemical warfare] agents --
much of it added in the last year."
That assessment was based, in part, on conclusions contained in the final
report from U.N. weapons inspectors in 1999, which highlighted discrepancies in
what the Iraqis reported to the United Nations and the amount of precursor
chemicals U.N. arms inspectors could document Iraq had imported but for which
it no longer could account.
Until now, Bush's critics say, no stockpiles of CW agents made with those
precursors have been found. The snap conclusion they draw is that the
administration "lied" to the American people to create a pretext for invading
Iraq.
But what are "stockpiles" of CW agents supposed to look like? Was anyone
seriously expecting Saddam to have left behind freshly painted warehouses
packed with chemical munitions, all neatly laid out in serried rows, with
labels written in English?
Or did they think that a captured Saddam would guide U.S. troops to smoking
vats full of nerve gas in an abandoned factory?
Stockpiles found
In fact, as recent evidence made public by a former operations officer for the
Coalition Provisional Authority's intelligence unit in Iraq shows, some of
those stockpiles have been found - not all at once, and not all in nice working
order -- but found all the same.
Douglas Hanson was a U.S. Army cavalry reconnaissance officer for 20 years, and
a veteran of Gulf War I. He was an atomic demolitions munitions security
officer and a nuclear, biological and chemical defense officer. As a civilian
analyst in Iraq last summer, he worked for an operations intelligence unit of
the CPA in Iraq, and later, with the newly formed Ministry of Science and
Technology, which was responsible for finding new, nonlethal employment for
Iraqi WMD scientists.
In an interview with Insight and in an article he wrote for the online magazine
AmericanThinker.com, Hanson examines reports from U.S. combat units and public
information confirming that many of Iraq's CW stockpiles have indeed been
found.
Until now, however, journalists have devoted scant attention to this evidence,
in part because it contradicts the story line they have been putting forward
since the U.S.-led inspections began after the war.
But another reason for the media silence may stem from the seemingly undramatic
nature of the "finds" Hanson and others have described. The materials that
constitute Saddam's chemical-weapons "stockpiles" look an awful lot like
pesticides, which they indeed resemble.
"Pesticides are the key elements in the chemical-agent arena," Hanson says. "In
fact, the general pesticide chemical formula (organophosphate) is the
'grandfather' of modern-day nerve agents."
The United Nations was fully aware that Saddam had established his
chemical-weapons plants under the guise of a permitted civilian
chemical-industry infrastructure. Plants inspected in the early 1990s as CW
production facilities had been set up to appear as if they were producing
pesticides, or in the case of a giant plant near Fallujah, chlorine, which is
used to produce mustard gas.
When coalition forces entered Iraq, "huge warehouses and caches of 'commercial
and agricultural' chemicals were seized and painstakingly tested by Army and
Marine chemical specialists," Hanson writes. "What was surprising was how
quickly the ISG refuted the findings of our ground forces and how silent they
have been on the significance of these caches."
Caches of "commercial and agricultural" chemicals don't match the expectation
of "stockpiles" of chemical weapons. But, in fact, that is precisely what they
are. "At a very minimum," Hanson tells Insight, "they were storing the
precursors to restart a chemical-warfare program very quickly."
Kay and Duelfer came to a similar conclusion, telling Congress under oath that
Saddam had built new facilities and stockpiled the materials to relaunch
production of chemical and biological weapons at a moment's notice. At Karbala,
U.S. troops stumbled upon 55-gallon drums of pesticides at what appeared to be
a very large "agricultural supply" area, Hanson says. Some of the drums were
stored in a "camouflaged bunker complex" that was shown to reporters -- with
unpleasant results.
"More than a dozen soldiers, a Knight-Ridder reporter, a CNN cameraman, and two
Iraqi POWs came down with symptoms consistent with exposure to a nerve agent,"
Hanson says. "But later ISG tests resulted in a proclamation of negative, end
of story, nothing to see here, etc., and the earlier findings and injuries
dissolved into nonexistence. Left unexplained is the small matter of the
obvious pains taken to disguise the cache of ostensibly legitimate pesticides.
One wonders about the advantage an agricultural-commodities business gains by
securing drums of pesticide in camouflaged bunkers 6 feet underground. The
'agricultural site' was also colocated with a military ammunition dump --
evidently nothing more than a coincidence in the eyes of the ISG."
That wasn't the only significant find by coalition troops of probable CW
stockpiles, Hanson believes. Near the northern Iraqi town of Bai'ji, where
Saddam had built a chemical-weapons plant known to the United States from
nearly 12 years of inspections, elements of the 4th Infantry Division found
55-gallon drums containing a substance identified through mass spectrometry
analysis as cyclosarin -- a nerve agent.
Nearby were surface-to-surface and surface-to-air missiles, gas masks and a
mobile laboratory that could have been used to mix chemicals at the site.
"Of course, later tests by the experts revealed that these were only the
ubiquitous pesticides that everybody was turning up," Hanson says. "It seems
Iraqi soldiers were obsessed with keeping ammo dumps insect-free, according to
the reading of the evidence now enshrined by the conventional wisdom that 'no
WMD stockpiles have been discovered.'"
At Taji -- an Iraqi weapons complex as large as the District of Columbia --
U.S. combat units discovered more "pesticides" stockpiled in specially built
containers, smaller in diameter but much longer than the standard 55-gallon
drum.
Hanson says he still recalls the military sending digital images of the
canisters to his office, where his boss at the Ministry of Science and
Technology translated the Arabic-language markings. "They were labeled as
pesticides," he says. "Gee, you sure have got a lot of pesticides stored in
ammo dumps."
Again, this January, Danish forces found 120-millimeter mortar shells filled
with a mysterious liquid that initially tested positive for blister agents. But
subsequent tests by the United States disputed that finding.
"If it wasn't a chemical agent, what was it?" Hanson asks. "More pesticides?
Dish-washing detergent? From this old soldier's perspective, I gain nothing
from putting a liquid in my mortar rounds unless that stuff will do bad things
to the enemy."
The discoveries Hanson describes are not dramatic. And that's the problem:
Finding real stockpiles in grubby ammo dumps doesn't fit the image the media
and the president's critics carefully have fed to the public of what Iraq's
weapons ought to look like. A senior administration official who has gone
through the intelligence reporting from Iraq as well as the earlier reports
from U.N. arms inspectors refers to another well-documented allegation.
"The Iraqis admitted they had made 3.9 tons of VX," a powerful nerve gas, but
claimed they had never weaponized it. The U.N. inspectors "felt they had more.
But where did it go?" The Iraqis never provided any explanation of what had
happened to their VX stockpiles.
What does 3.9 tons of VX look like? "It could fit in one large garage," the
official says. Assuming, of course, that Saddam would assemble every bit of VX
gas his scientists had produced at a single site, that still amounts to one
large garage in an area the size of the state of California.
Senior administration officials stress that the investigation will continue as
inspectors comb through millions of pages of documents in Iraq and attempt to
interview Iraqi weapons scientists who have been trained all their professional
lives to conceal their activities from the outside world.
"The conditions under which the ISG is working are not very conducive," one
official said. "But this president wants the truth to come out. This is not an
exercise in spinning or censoring."
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Saddam's WMD have been found
New evidence unveils chemical, biological, nuclear, ballistic arms

Posted: April 26, 2004
1:36 p.m. Eastern

By Kenneth R. Timmerman
2004 Insight/News World Communications Inc.

New evidence out of Iraq suggests the U.S. effort to track down Saddam
Hussein's missing weapons of mass destruction is having better success

than is

being reported.

Key assertions by the intelligence community widely judged in the media

and by

critics of President Bush as having been false are turning out to have

been

true after all.

But this stunning news has received little attention from the major media,

and

the president's critics continue to insist that "no weapons" have been

found.


In virtually every case -- chemical, biological, nuclear and ballistic

missiles

-- the United States has found the weapons and the programs that the Iraqi
dictator successfully concealed for 12 years from U.N. weapons inspectors.

The Iraq Survey Group, ISG, whose intelligence analysts are managed by

Charles

Duelfer, a former State Department official and deputy chief of the

U.N.-led

arms-inspection teams, has found "hundreds of cases of activities that

were

prohibited" under U.N. Security Council resolutions, a senior

administration

official tells Insight.

"There is a long list of charges made by the U.S. that have been

confirmed, but

none of this seems to mean anything because the weapons that were

unaccounted

for by the United Nations remain unaccounted for."

Both Duelfer and his predecessor, David Kay, reported to Congress that the
evidence they had found on the ground in Iraq showed Saddam's regime was

in

"material violation" of U.N. Security Council Resolution 1441, the last of

17

resolutions that promised "serious consequences" if Iraq did not make a
complete disclosure of its weapons programs and dismantle them in a

verifiable

manner.

The United States cited Iraq's refusal to comply with these demands as one
justification for going to war.

Both Duelfer and Kay found Iraq had "a clandestine network of laboratories

and

safe houses with equipment that was suitable to continuing its prohibited
chemical- and biological-weapons [BW] programs," the official said. "They

found

a prison laboratory where we suspect they tested biological weapons on

human

subjects."

They found equipment for "uranium-enrichment centrifuges" whose only

plausible

use was as part of a clandestine nuclear-weapons program. In all these

cases,

"Iraqi scientists had been told before the war not to declare their

activities

to the U.N. inspectors," the official said.

But while the president's critics and the media might plausibly hide

behind

ambiguity and a lack of sensational-looking finds for not reporting some
discoveries, in the case of Saddam's ballistic-missile programs they have

no

excuse for their silence.

"Where were the missiles? We found them," another senior administration
official told Insight.

"Saddam Hussein's prohibited missile programs are as close to a slam dunk

as

you will ever find for violating United Nations resolutions," the first
official said. Both senior administration officials spoke to Insight on
condition that neither their name nor their agency be identified, but

their

accounts of what the United States has found in Iraq coincided in every

major

area.

When former weapons inspector Kay reported to Congress in January that the
United States had found "no stockpiles" of forbidden weapons in Iraq, his
conclusions made front-page news. But when he detailed what the ISG had

found

in testimony before the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence

last

October, few took notice.

Among Kay's revelations, which officials tell Insight have been amplified

in

subsequent inspections in recent weeks:


A prison laboratory complex that may have been used for human testing of

BW

agents and "that Iraqi officials working to prepare the U.N. inspections

were

explicitly ordered not to declare to the U.N." Why was Saddam interested

in

testing biological-warfare agents on humans if he didn't have a
biological-weapons program?

"Reference strains" of a wide variety of biological-weapons agents were

found

beneath the sink in the home of a prominent Iraqi BW scientist. "We

thought it

was a big deal," a senior administration official said. "But it has been
written off [by the press] as a sort of 'starter set.'"

New research on BW-applicable agents, brucella and Congo-Crimean

hemorrhagic

fever, and continuing work on ricin and aflatoxin that were not declared

to the

United Nations.

A line of unmanned aerial vehicles, UAVs, or drones, "not fully declared

at an

undeclared production facility and an admission that they had tested one

of

their declared UAVs out to a range of 500 kilometers [311 miles], 350
kilometers [217 miles] beyond the permissible limit."

"Continuing covert capability to manufacture fuel propellant useful only

for

prohibited Scud-variant missiles, a capability that was maintained at

least

until the end of 2001 and that cooperating Iraqi scientists have said they

were

told to conceal from the U.N."

"Plans and advanced design work for new long-range missiles with ranges up

to

at least 1,000 kilometers [621 miles] -- well beyond the

150-kilometer-range

limit [93 miles] imposed by the U.N. Missiles of a 1,000-kilometer range

would

have allowed Iraq to threaten targets throughout the Middle East,

including

Ankara [Turkey], Cairo [Egypt] and Abu Dhabi [United Arab Emirates]."
In addition, through interviews with Iraqi scientists, seized documents

and

other evidence, the ISG learned the Iraqi government had made "clandestine
attempts between late 1999 and 2002 to obtain from North Korea technology
related to 1,300-kilometer-range [807 miles] ballistic missiles --

probably the

No Dong -- 300-kilometer-range [186 miles] antiship cruise missiles and

other

prohibited military equipment," Kay reported.

In testimony before Congress on March 30, Duelfer, revealed the ISG had

found

evidence of a "crash program" to construct new plants capable of making
chemical- and biological-warfare agents.

The ISG also found a previously undeclared program to build a "high-speed

rail

gun," a device apparently designed for testing nuclear-weapons materials.

That

came in addition to 500 tons of natural uranium stockpiled at Iraq's main
declared nuclear site south of Baghdad, which International Atomic Energy
Agency spokesman Mark Gwozdecky acknowledged to Insight had been intended

for

"a clandestine nuclear-weapons program."

In taking apart Iraq's clandestine procurement network, Duelfer said his
investigators had discovered that "the primary source of illicit financing

for

this system was oil smuggling conducted through government-to-government
protocols negotiated with neighboring countries [and] from kickback

payments

made on contracts set up through the U.N. oil-for-food program."

What the president's critics and the media widely have portrayed as the

most

dramatic failure of the U.S. case against Saddam has been the claimed

failure

to find "stockpiles" of chemical and biological weapons. But in a June

2003

Washington Post op-ed, former chief U.N. weapons inspector Rolf Ekeus

called

such criticism "a distortion and a trivialization of a major threat to
international peace and security."

The October 2002 National Intelligence Estimate on Iraqi Weapons of Mass
Destruction concluded that Saddam "probably has stocked at least 100

metric

tons [MT] and possibly as much as 500 MT of CW [chemical warfare]

agents --

much of it added in the last year."

That assessment was based, in part, on conclusions contained in the final
report from U.N. weapons inspectors in 1999, which highlighted

discrepancies in

what the Iraqis reported to the United Nations and the amount of precursor
chemicals U.N. arms inspectors could document Iraq had imported but for

which

it no longer could account.

Until now, Bush's critics say, no stockpiles of CW agents made with those
precursors have been found. The snap conclusion they draw is that the
administration "lied" to the American people to create a pretext for

invading

Iraq.

But what are "stockpiles" of CW agents supposed to look like? Was anyone
seriously expecting Saddam to have left behind freshly painted warehouses
packed with chemical munitions, all neatly laid out in serried rows, with
labels written in English?

Or did they think that a captured Saddam would guide U.S. troops to

smoking

vats full of nerve gas in an abandoned factory?

Stockpiles found

In fact, as recent evidence made public by a former operations officer for

the

Coalition Provisional Authority's intelligence unit in Iraq shows, some of
those stockpiles have been found - not all at once, and not all in nice

working

order -- but found all the same.

Douglas Hanson was a U.S. Army cavalry reconnaissance officer for 20

years, and

a veteran of Gulf War I. He was an atomic demolitions munitions security
officer and a nuclear, biological and chemical defense officer. As a

civilian

analyst in Iraq last summer, he worked for an operations intelligence unit

of

the CPA in Iraq, and later, with the newly formed Ministry of Science and
Technology, which was responsible for finding new, nonlethal employment

for

Iraqi WMD scientists.

In an interview with Insight and in an article he wrote for the online

magazine

AmericanThinker.com, Hanson examines reports from U.S. combat units and

public

information confirming that many of Iraq's CW stockpiles have indeed been
found.

Until now, however, journalists have devoted scant attention to this

evidence,

in part because it contradicts the story line they have been putting

forward

since the U.S.-led inspections began after the war.

But another reason for the media silence may stem from the seemingly

undramatic

nature of the "finds" Hanson and others have described. The materials that
constitute Saddam's chemical-weapons "stockpiles" look an awful lot like
pesticides, which they indeed resemble.

"Pesticides are the key elements in the chemical-agent arena," Hanson

says. "In

fact, the general pesticide chemical formula (organophosphate) is the
'grandfather' of modern-day nerve agents."

The United Nations was fully aware that Saddam had established his
chemical-weapons plants under the guise of a permitted civilian
chemical-industry infrastructure. Plants inspected in the early 1990s as

CW

production facilities had been set up to appear as if they were producing
pesticides, or in the case of a giant plant near Fallujah, chlorine, which

is

used to produce mustard gas.

When coalition forces entered Iraq, "huge warehouses and caches of

'commercial

and agricultural' chemicals were seized and painstakingly tested by Army

and

Marine chemical specialists," Hanson writes. "What was surprising was how
quickly the ISG refuted the findings of our ground forces and how silent

they

have been on the significance of these caches."

Caches of "commercial and agricultural" chemicals don't match the

expectation

of "stockpiles" of chemical weapons. But, in fact, that is precisely what

they

are. "At a very minimum," Hanson tells Insight, "they were storing the
precursors to restart a chemical-warfare program very quickly."

Kay and Duelfer came to a similar conclusion, telling Congress under oath

that

Saddam had built new facilities and stockpiled the materials to relaunch
production of chemical and biological weapons at a moment's notice. At

Karbala,

U.S. troops stumbled upon 55-gallon drums of pesticides at what appeared

to be

a very large "agricultural supply" area, Hanson says. Some of the drums

were

stored in a "camouflaged bunker complex" that was shown to reporters --

with

unpleasant results.

"More than a dozen soldiers, a Knight-Ridder reporter, a CNN cameraman,

and two

Iraqi POWs came down with symptoms consistent with exposure to a nerve

agent,"

Hanson says. "But later ISG tests resulted in a proclamation of negative,

end

of story, nothing to see here, etc., and the earlier findings and injuries
dissolved into nonexistence. Left unexplained is the small matter of the
obvious pains taken to disguise the cache of ostensibly legitimate

pesticides.

One wonders about the advantage an agricultural-commodities business gains

by

securing drums of pesticide in camouflaged bunkers 6 feet underground. The
'agricultural site' was also colocated with a military ammunition dump --
evidently nothing more than a coincidence in the eyes of the ISG."

That wasn't the only significant find by coalition troops of probable CW
stockpiles, Hanson believes. Near the northern Iraqi town of Bai'ji, where
Saddam had built a chemical-weapons plant known to the United States from
nearly 12 years of inspections, elements of the 4th Infantry Division

found

55-gallon drums containing a substance identified through mass

spectrometry

analysis as cyclosarin -- a nerve agent.

Nearby were surface-to-surface and surface-to-air missiles, gas masks and

a

mobile laboratory that could have been used to mix chemicals at the site.

"Of course, later tests by the experts revealed that these were only the
ubiquitous pesticides that everybody was turning up," Hanson says. "It

seems

Iraqi soldiers were obsessed with keeping ammo dumps insect-free,

according to

the reading of the evidence now enshrined by the conventional wisdom that

'no

WMD stockpiles have been discovered.'"

At Taji -- an Iraqi weapons complex as large as the District of

Columbia --

U.S. combat units discovered more "pesticides" stockpiled in specially

built

containers, smaller in diameter but much longer than the standard

55-gallon

drum.

Hanson says he still recalls the military sending digital images of the
canisters to his office, where his boss at the Ministry of Science and
Technology translated the Arabic-language markings. "They were labeled as
pesticides," he says. "Gee, you sure have got a lot of pesticides stored

in

ammo dumps."

Again, this January, Danish forces found 120-millimeter mortar shells

filled

with a mysterious liquid that initially tested positive for blister

agents. But

subsequent tests by the United States disputed that finding.

"If it wasn't a chemical agent, what was it?" Hanson asks. "More

pesticides?

Dish-washing detergent? From this old soldier's perspective, I gain

nothing

from putting a liquid in my mortar rounds unless that stuff will do bad

things

to the enemy."

The discoveries Hanson describes are not dramatic. And that's the problem:
Finding real stockpiles in grubby ammo dumps doesn't fit the image the

media

and the president's critics carefully have fed to the public of what

Iraq's

weapons ought to look like. A senior administration official who has gone
through the intelligence reporting from Iraq as well as the earlier

reports

from U.N. arms inspectors refers to another well-documented allegation.

"The Iraqis admitted they had made 3.9 tons of VX," a powerful nerve gas,

but

claimed they had never weaponized it. The U.N. inspectors "felt they had

more.

But where did it go?" The Iraqis never provided any explanation of what

had

happened to their VX stockpiles.

What does 3.9 tons of VX look like? "It could fit in one large garage,"

the

official says. Assuming, of course, that Saddam would assemble every bit

of VX

gas his scientists had produced at a single site, that still amounts to

one

large garage in an area the size of the state of California.

Senior administration officials stress that the investigation will

continue as

inspectors comb through millions of pages of documents in Iraq and attempt

to

interview Iraqi weapons scientists who have been trained all their

professional

lives to conceal their activities from the outside world.

"The conditions under which the ISG is working are not very conducive,"

one

official said. "But this president wants the truth to come out. This is

not an

exercise in spinning or censoring."

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User: "Cardinal Blunder"

Title: Re: Saddam's WMD have been found 27 Apr 2004 08:54:56 AM
TonyZ2001 wrote:


Saddam's WMD have been found
New evidence unveils chemical, biological, nuclear, ballistic arms

Posted: April 26, 2004
1:36 p.m. Eastern

By Kenneth R. Timmerman
2004 Insight/News World Communications Inc.

New evidence out of Iraq suggests the U.S. effort to track down Saddam
Hussein's missing weapons of mass destruction is having better success than is
being reported.

yeah right. Its *so* successful, not a word about this has been boasted
about by even Bush himself who would have been the first to point this
out if it were at all true.
Stop posting your nazi pro bush propoganda stupid. Everyone knows you're
desperate to find any excuse for Bush and this illegal CRUSADE, but this
attempt is the most pathetic so far tony.
Face the facts fruitcake, Bush is a Liar, the USA is full of braindead
morons following a moron, and you're so stupid, they won't even call you
a moron.


Key assertions by the intelligence community widely judged in the media and by
critics of President Bush as having been false are turning out to have been
true after all.

But this stunning news has received little attention from the major media, and
the president's critics continue to insist that "no weapons" have been found.

I

.

User: "WillyWaco"

Title: Re: Saddam's WMD have been found 27 Apr 2004 08:23:50 AM
Well, here goes ol' desperate Tony thrashing around like a =
knuckle-dragging forest ape in search of his special delicacy, evidence =
of Saddam's WMD. First off, this article comes from WorldNetDaily, a =
right-wing Xtian-flavored online rag that's had a colorful line of =
Weekly World News-type stories for the rightist pinhead at heart.=20
Their spin-off sites include insightmag.com and irnnews.com They have =
sensational headliners here which boil down into virtual nothingness. =
What facts are presented, are well-known tidibts snipped from mostly =
older mainstream news items and reconstituted into eye-popping *new* =
"exposes."=20
The continuing problem with their rag is the same for supermarket =
tabloids who manipulate old news into looking like something new and =
revelatory.=20
So, on the left-wing side, we leftists have our sources, too, of course, =
and some are more extreme than others, screaming out thrilling "exposes" =
and "exclusives," too. You might want to try www.alternet.org , =
www.conspiracyplanet.com , www.prisonplanet.com for the other side of =
the daily propaganda grind on the InterShit.=20
You'll find, undoubtedly, fascinating articles refuting all that =
worldnetdaily has "factually revealed" and that "a conspiracy on the =
Left is trying to conceal." On the Left, it's the Right who are trying =
to conceal the truth via a vast conspiracy. Commonly used "buzzwords" in =
this type of journalism are "suggests", "point to," "indicate," "appears =
to be," "seems to be," "could be," ad nauseam. These authors then throw =
in unidentified "top officials," and so forth, with their blunt =
statements, like, "Where were the missiles? We found them." =20
Makes for some good entertainment, a laugh or two, but mostly tedium, =
and that's about it in a nutshell. Such "factual" revelations would, of =
course, be trumpeted all over the media coming out of the administration =
officially in massive doses, especially in an election year in a =
dead-heat race. We hear or see nothing coming from there.=20
Willy ;)
"TonyZ2001" <tonyz2001@aol.com> wrote in message =
news:20040427080413.10326.00000396@mb-m03.aol.com...

Saddam's WMD have been found
New evidence unveils chemical, biological, nuclear, ballistic arms=20
=20
Posted: April 26, 2004
1:36 p.m. Eastern
=20
By Kenneth R. Timmerman
2004 Insight/News World Communications Inc.=20
=20
New evidence out of Iraq suggests the U.S. effort to track down Saddam
Hussein's missing weapons of mass destruction is having better success =

than is

being reported.=20
=20
Key assertions by the intelligence community widely judged in the =

media and by

critics of President Bush as having been false are turning out to have =

been

true after all.=20
=20
But this stunning news has received little attention from the major =

media, and

the president's critics continue to insist that "no weapons" have been =

found.=20

=20
In virtually every case -- chemical, biological, nuclear and ballistic =

missiles

-- the United States has found the weapons and the programs that the =

Iraqi

dictator successfully concealed for 12 years from U.N. weapons =

inspectors.=20

=20
The Iraq Survey Group, ISG, whose intelligence analysts are managed by =

Charles

Duelfer, a former State Department official and deputy chief of the =

U.N.-led

arms-inspection teams, has found "hundreds of cases of activities that =

were

prohibited" under U.N. Security Council resolutions, a senior =

administration

official tells Insight.=20
=20
"There is a long list of charges made by the U.S. that have been =

confirmed, but

none of this seems to mean anything because the weapons that were =

unaccounted

for by the United Nations remain unaccounted for."=20
=20
Both Duelfer and his predecessor, David Kay, reported to Congress that =

the

evidence they had found on the ground in Iraq showed Saddam's regime =

was in

"material violation" of U.N. Security Council Resolution 1441, the =

last of 17

resolutions that promised "serious consequences" if Iraq did not make =

a

complete disclosure of its weapons programs and dismantle them in a =

verifiable

manner.=20
=20
The United States cited Iraq's refusal to comply with these demands as =

one

justification for going to war.=20
=20
Both Duelfer and Kay found Iraq had "a clandestine network of =

laboratories and

safe houses with equipment that was suitable to continuing its =

prohibited

chemical- and biological-weapons [BW] programs," the official said. =

"They found

a prison laboratory where we suspect they tested biological weapons on =

human

subjects."=20
=20
They found equipment for "uranium-enrichment centrifuges" whose only =

plausible

use was as part of a clandestine nuclear-weapons program. In all these =

cases,

"Iraqi scientists had been told before the war not to declare their =

activities

to the U.N. inspectors," the official said.=20
=20
But while the president's critics and the media might plausibly hide =

behind

ambiguity and a lack of sensational-looking finds for not reporting =

some

discoveries, in the case of Saddam's ballistic-missile programs they =

have no

excuse for their silence.=20
=20
"Where were the missiles? We found them," another senior =

administration

official told Insight.=20
=20
"Saddam Hussein's prohibited missile programs are as close to a slam =

dunk as

you will ever find for violating United Nations resolutions," the =

first

official said. Both senior administration officials spoke to Insight =

on

condition that neither their name nor their agency be identified, but =

their

accounts of what the United States has found in Iraq coincided in =

every major

area.=20
=20
When former weapons inspector Kay reported to Congress in January that =

the

United States had found "no stockpiles" of forbidden weapons in Iraq, =

his

conclusions made front-page news. But when he detailed what the ISG =

had found

in testimony before the House Permanent Select Committee on =

Intelligence last

October, few took notice.=20
=20
Among Kay's revelations, which officials tell Insight have been =

amplified in

subsequent inspections in recent weeks:=20
=20
=20
A prison laboratory complex that may have been used for human testing =

of BW

agents and "that Iraqi officials working to prepare the U.N. =

inspections were

explicitly ordered not to declare to the U.N." Why was Saddam =

interested in

testing biological-warfare agents on humans if he didn't have a
biological-weapons program?=20
=20
"Reference strains" of a wide variety of biological-weapons agents =

were found

beneath the sink in the home of a prominent Iraqi BW scientist. "We =

thought it

was a big deal," a senior administration official said. "But it has =

been

written off [by the press] as a sort of 'starter set.'"=20
=20
New research on BW-applicable agents, brucella and Congo-Crimean =

hemorrhagic

fever, and continuing work on ricin and aflatoxin that were not =

declared to the

United Nations.=20
=20
A line of unmanned aerial vehicles, UAVs, or drones, "not fully =

declared at an

undeclared production facility and an admission that they had tested =

one of

their declared UAVs out to a range of 500 kilometers [311 miles], 350
kilometers [217 miles] beyond the permissible limit."=20
=20
"Continuing covert capability to manufacture fuel propellant useful =

only for

prohibited Scud-variant missiles, a capability that was maintained at =

least

until the end of 2001 and that cooperating Iraqi scientists have said =

they were

told to conceal from the U.N."=20
=20
"Plans and advanced design work for new long-range missiles with =

ranges up to

at least 1,000 kilometers [621 miles] -- well beyond the =

150-kilometer-range

limit [93 miles] imposed by the U.N. Missiles of a 1,000-kilometer =

range would

have allowed Iraq to threaten targets throughout the Middle East, =

including

Ankara [Turkey], Cairo [Egypt] and Abu Dhabi [United Arab Emirates]."
In addition, through interviews with Iraqi scientists, seized =

documents and

other evidence, the ISG learned the Iraqi government had made =

"clandestine

attempts between late 1999 and 2002 to obtain from North Korea =

technology

related to 1,300-kilometer-range [807 miles] ballistic missiles -- =

probably the

No Dong -- 300-kilometer-range [186 miles] antiship cruise missiles =

and other

prohibited military equipment," Kay reported.=20
=20
In testimony before Congress on March 30, Duelfer, revealed the ISG =

had found

evidence of a "crash program" to construct new plants capable of =

making

chemical- and biological-warfare agents.=20
=20
The ISG also found a previously undeclared program to build a =

"high-speed rail

gun," a device apparently designed for testing nuclear-weapons =

materials. That

came in addition to 500 tons of natural uranium stockpiled at Iraq's =

main

declared nuclear site south of Baghdad, which International Atomic =

Energy

Agency spokesman Mark Gwozdecky acknowledged to Insight had been =

intended for

"a clandestine nuclear-weapons program."=20
=20
In taking apart Iraq's clandestine procurement network, Duelfer said =

his

investigators had discovered that "the primary source of illicit =

financing for

this system was oil smuggling conducted through =

government-to-government

protocols negotiated with neighboring countries [and] from kickback =

payments

made on contracts set up through the U.N. oil-for-food program."=20
=20
What the president's critics and the media widely have portrayed as =

the most

dramatic failure of the U.S. case against Saddam has been the claimed =

failure

to find "stockpiles" of chemical and biological weapons. But in a June =

2003

Washington Post op-ed, former chief U.N. weapons inspector Rolf Ekeus =

called

such criticism "a distortion and a trivialization of a major threat to
international peace and security."=20
=20
The October 2002 National Intelligence Estimate on Iraqi Weapons of =

Mass

Destruction concluded that Saddam "probably has stocked at least 100 =

metric

tons [MT] and possibly as much as 500 MT of CW [chemical warfare] =

agents --

much of it added in the last year."=20
=20
That assessment was based, in part, on conclusions contained in the =

final

report from U.N. weapons inspectors in 1999, which highlighted =

discrepancies in

what the Iraqis reported to the United Nations and the amount of =

precursor

chemicals U.N. arms inspectors could document Iraq had imported but =

for which

it no longer could account.=20
=20
Until now, Bush's critics say, no stockpiles of CW agents made with =

those

precursors have been found. The snap conclusion they draw is that the
administration "lied" to the American people to create a pretext for =

invading

Iraq.=20
=20
But what are "stockpiles" of CW agents supposed to look like? Was =

anyone

seriously expecting Saddam to have left behind freshly painted =

warehouses

packed with chemical munitions, all neatly laid out in serried rows, =

with

labels written in English?=20
=20
Or did they think that a captured Saddam would guide U.S. troops to =

smoking

vats full of nerve gas in an abandoned factory?=20
=20
Stockpiles found=20
=20
In fact, as recent evidence made public by a former operations officer =

for the

Coalition Provisional Authority's intelligence unit in Iraq shows, =

some of

those stockpiles have been found - not all at once, and not all in =

nice working

order -- but found all the same.=20
=20
Douglas Hanson was a U.S. Army cavalry reconnaissance officer for 20 =

years, and

a veteran of Gulf War I. He was an atomic demolitions munitions =

security

officer and a nuclear, biological and chemical defense officer. As a =

civilian

analyst in Iraq last summer, he worked for an operations intelligence =

unit of

the CPA in Iraq, and later, with the newly formed Ministry of Science =

and

Technology, which was responsible for finding new, nonlethal =

employment for

Iraqi WMD scientists.=20
=20
In an interview with Insight and in an article he wrote for the online =

magazine

AmericanThinker.com, Hanson examines reports from U.S. combat units =

and public

information confirming that many of Iraq's CW stockpiles have indeed =

been

found.=20
=20
Until now, however, journalists have devoted scant attention to this =

evidence,

in part because it contradicts the story line they have been putting =

forward

since the U.S.-led inspections began after the war.=20
=20
But another reason for the media silence may stem from the seemingly =

undramatic

nature of the "finds" Hanson and others have described. The materials =

that

constitute Saddam's chemical-weapons "stockpiles" look an awful lot =

like

pesticides, which they indeed resemble.=20
=20
"Pesticides are the key elements in the chemical-agent arena," Hanson =

says. "In

fact, the general pesticide chemical formula (organophosphate) is the
'grandfather' of modern-day nerve agents."=20
=20
The United Nations was fully aware that Saddam had established his
chemical-weapons plants under the guise of a permitted civilian
chemical-industry infrastructure. Plants inspected in the early 1990s =

as CW

production facilities had been set up to appear as if they were =

producing

pesticides, or in the case of a giant plant near Fallujah, chlorine, =

which is

used to produce mustard gas.=20
=20
When coalition forces entered Iraq, "huge warehouses and caches of =

'commercial

and agricultural' chemicals were seized and painstakingly tested by =

Army and

Marine chemical specialists," Hanson writes. "What was surprising was =

how

quickly the ISG refuted the findings of our ground forces and how =

silent they

have been on the significance of these caches."=20
=20
Caches of "commercial and agricultural" chemicals don't match the =

expectation

of "stockpiles" of chemical weapons. But, in fact, that is precisely =

what they

are. "At a very minimum," Hanson tells Insight, "they were storing the
precursors to restart a chemical-warfare program very quickly."=20
=20
Kay and Duelfer came to a similar conclusion, telling Congress under =

oath that

Saddam had built new facilities and stockpiled the materials to =

relaunch

production of chemical and biological weapons at a moment's notice. At =

Karbala,

U.S. troops stumbled upon 55-gallon drums of pesticides at what =

appeared to be

a very large "agricultural supply" area, Hanson says. Some of the =

drums were

stored in a "camouflaged bunker complex" that was shown to reporters =

-- with

unpleasant results.=20
=20
"More than a dozen soldiers, a Knight-Ridder reporter, a CNN =

cameraman, and two

Iraqi POWs came down with symptoms consistent with exposure to a nerve =

agent,"

Hanson says. "But later ISG tests resulted in a proclamation of =

negative, end

of story, nothing to see here, etc., and the earlier findings and =

injuries

dissolved into nonexistence. Left unexplained is the small matter of =

the

obvious pains taken to disguise the cache of ostensibly legitimate =

pesticides.

One wonders about the advantage an agricultural-commodities business =

gains by

securing drums of pesticide in camouflaged bunkers 6 feet underground. =

The

'agricultural site' was also colocated with a military ammunition dump =

--

evidently nothing more than a coincidence in the eyes of the ISG."=20
=20
That wasn't the only significant find by coalition troops of probable =

CW

stockpiles, Hanson believes. Near the northern Iraqi town of Bai'ji, =

where

Saddam had built a chemical-weapons plant known to the United States =

from

nearly 12 years of inspections, elements of the 4th Infantry Division =

found

55-gallon drums containing a substance identified through mass =

spectrometry

analysis as cyclosarin -- a nerve agent.=20
=20
Nearby were surface-to-surface and surface-to-air missiles, gas masks =

and a

mobile laboratory that could have been used to mix chemicals at the =

site.=20

=20
"Of course, later tests by the experts revealed that these were only =

the

ubiquitous pesticides that everybody was turning up," Hanson says. "It =

seems

Iraqi soldiers were obsessed with keeping ammo dumps insect-free, =

according to

the reading of the evidence now enshrined by the conventional wisdom =

that 'no

WMD stockpiles have been discovered.'"=20
=20
At Taji -- an Iraqi weapons complex as large as the District of =

Columbia --

U.S. combat units discovered more "pesticides" stockpiled in specially =

built

containers, smaller in diameter but much longer than the standard =

55-gallon

drum.=20
=20
Hanson says he still recalls the military sending digital images of =

the

canisters to his office, where his boss at the Ministry of Science and
Technology translated the Arabic-language markings. "They were labeled =

as

pesticides," he says. "Gee, you sure have got a lot of pesticides =

stored in

ammo dumps."=20
=20
Again, this January, Danish forces found 120-millimeter mortar shells =

filled

with a mysterious liquid that initially tested positive for blister =

agents. But

subsequent tests by the United States disputed that finding.=20
=20
"If it wasn't a chemical agent, what was it?" Hanson asks. "More =

pesticides?

Dish-washing detergent? From this old soldier's perspective, I gain =

nothing

from putting a liquid in my mortar rounds unless that stuff will do =

bad things

to the enemy."=20
=20
The discoveries Hanson describes are not dramatic. And that's the =

problem:

Finding real stockpiles in grubby ammo dumps doesn't fit the image the =

media

and the president's critics carefully have fed to the public of what =

Iraq's

weapons ought to look like. A senior administration official who has =

gone

through the intelligence reporting from Iraq as well as the earlier =

reports

from U.N. arms inspectors refers to another well-documented =

allegation.=20

=20
"The Iraqis admitted they had made 3.9 tons of VX," a powerful nerve =

gas, but

claimed they had never weaponized it. The U.N. inspectors "felt they =

had more.

But where did it go?" The Iraqis never provided any explanation of =

what had

happened to their VX stockpiles.=20
=20
What does 3.9 tons of VX look like? "It could fit in one large =

garage," the

official says. Assuming, of course, that Saddam would assemble every =

bit of VX

gas his scientists had produced at a single site, that still amounts =

to one

large garage in an area the size of the state of California.=20
=20
Senior administration officials stress that the investigation will =

continue as

inspectors comb through millions of pages of documents in Iraq and =

attempt to

interview Iraqi weapons scientists who have been trained all their =

professional

lives to conceal their activities from the outside world.=20
=20
"The conditions under which the ISG is working are not very =

conducive," one

official said. "But this president wants the truth to come out. This =

is not an

exercise in spinning or censoring."=20

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