http://www.nytimes.com/2003/11/24/opinion/24SAFI.html?hp
Missing Links Found
By WILLIAM SAFIRE
Published: November 24, 2003
WASHINGTON - Two blockbuster magazine articles last week revealed evidence
that Saddam's spy agency and top Qaeda operatives certainly were in frequent
contact for a decade, and that there is renewed reason to suspect an Iraqi
spymaster in Prague may have helped finance the 9/11
attacks.................................
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24 Nov 2003 09:44:41 AM |
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" John F Lemke" <jflemke@LocalLink.net> wrote in message news:<NPadnQDNi5k7dlyiRVn-ig@locallink.net>...
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/11/24/opinion/24SAFI.html?hp
Missing Links Found
By WILLIAM SAFIRE
Published: November 24, 2003
WASHINGTON - Two blockbuster magazine articles last week revealed evidence
that Saddam's spy agency and top Qaeda operatives certainly were in frequent
contact for a decade, and that there is renewed reason to suspect an Iraqi
spymaster in Prague may have helped finance the 9/11
attacks.................................
Seems we (the USA) knew quite a lot about the qaeda before 9/11.
Sounds too much like pearl harbor.
Who do you think will benefit the most from the 9/11 attack, John?
Maybe it was financed by someone else, someone who wants us to take care of
their enemy. Could be a clever Machiavellian Tactic.
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24 Nov 2003 03:28:23 PM |
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(jha_amin) wrote in message news:<33b7880.0311240744.beb1113@posting.google.com>...
" John F Lemke" <jflemke@LocalLink.net> wrote in message news:<NPadnQDNi5k7dlyiRVn-ig@locallink.net>...
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/11/24/opinion/24SAFI.html?hp
Missing Links Found
By WILLIAM SAFIRE
Published: November 24, 2003
WASHINGTON - Two blockbuster magazine articles last week revealed evidence
that Saddam's spy agency and top Qaeda operatives certainly were in frequent
contact for a decade, and that there is renewed reason to suspect an Iraqi
spymaster in Prague may have helped finance the 9/11
attacks.................................
Seems we (the USA) knew quite a lot about the qaeda before 9/11.
Sounds too much like pearl harbor.
Who do you think will benefit the most from the 9/11 attack, John?
Maybe it was financed by someone else, someone who wants us to take care of
their enemy. Could be a clever Machiavellian Tactic.
Here is an interesting lil tidbit i ran across today.
Make of it what you will. Many bricks make a building. (er, or
sumpin like that) ;)
Condoleeza Rice Warned Willie Brown Not To Fly On 9-11
Brasscheck - August 11, 2003
Grasping a straws and closing a loop
"Condoleezza Rice, the most senior black woman in the Bush
administration, has levelled a charge of racism against critics of the
US drive to bring Western freedoms to the Middle East."
http://makeashorterlink.com/?O2FC34B85
That's the grasping at straws part.
But wait. There's more.
Did this former Chevron (San Francisco) employee got this new
rhetorical tactic from San Francisco mayor Willie Brown, who has
managed to turn every scandal there into an issue of race?
SF Election fraud? White people don't want blacks to have an
expensive, disruptive, mafia owned football stadium in their
overtaxed, under served neighborhood.
Off duty cops robbing and beating citizens? White people who complain
don't want a black police chief to succeed.
Rice has a lot of deep official SF connections besides Chevron:
Charles Schwab, San Francisco Symphony Board of Governors,
Transamerica Corporation, KQED.
Trivia question: What mayor of a major west coast city claimed just
hours after 9-11 that he'd been warned not to fly the week of 9-11 by
what he described as his 'airport security.' None other than Willie
Brown!
Details:
http://propagandamatrix.com/willie_brown_got_low_key_early_warning.html
www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2001/09/12/MN229389.DTL
Think about it. Where else on earth would Brown get the message not to
fly on a particular day? The airport says there was no advisory in
place.
Note that when asked, Brown clammed up as to the source. Why?
Searching...
Turns out my hunch ain't a news flash. Just the sussing out of a
significant, but very obscure piece of 9-11 trivia.
On May 17, 2002, Pacifica Radio reported that Rice was the source of
the call to Brown. See side bar:
www.fpp.co.uk/online/02/05/Bush_knew2.html
So in case you missed it:
THE ASSISTANT TO THE PRESIDENT FOR NATIONAL SECURITY AFFAIRS
CONDOLEEZZA RICE CALLED A FRIEND THE DAY BEFORE SEPTEMBER 11TH AND
TOLD HIM TO STAY OUT OF THE AIR THAT WEEK
Got that?
San Francisco historians take note. The city elite found yet another
way to be involved first hand in the reaming of the Republic.
Courtesy Indymedia via APFN
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24 Nov 2003 07:37:50 PM |
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" John F Lemke" <jflemke@LocalLink.net> wrote in message
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http://www.nytimes.com/2003/11/24/opinion/24SAFI.html?hp
Missing Links Found
By WILLIAM SAFIRE
Published: November 24, 2003
WASHINGTON - Two blockbuster magazine articles last week revealed
evidence
that Saddam's spy agency and top Qaeda operatives certainly were in
frequent
contact for a decade, and that there is renewed reason to suspect an
Iraqi
spymaster in Prague may have helped finance the 9/11
attacks.................................
Mr. Amin says,
Seems we (the USA) knew quite a lot about the qaeda before 9/11.
Kinda odd, eh?
Sounds too much like pearl harbor.
I'm pretty much open to the discussion of pretty much anything anymore. :-)
Who do you think will benefit the most from the 9/11 attack, John?
All manipulations shall serve the Beast.
Maybe it was financed by someone else, someone who wants us to take care
of
their enemy. Could be a clever Machiavellian Tactic.
Folks that gave the Russians information on our nuclear programs in the 40's
and 50's did so because they were afraid of a capitalist hegemony in the
world. Maybe the Rosenbergs had more heroic motivations than we'd been lead
to believe.
Watch how Western corporations continue to buy up the most basic natural
resources in third world countries and you'll get a taste of what's to come.
For example, exclusive rights to water resources in African nations and even
exclusive rights to sections of the River Ganges in India.
The anti-christ won't be a communist. He'll be a flag waving, 'greed is
good', free-enterprise patriot who'll manipulate the masses according to the
old world nationalism to serve the needs of a new world order.
This is no longer the country our fathers fought for in WWII.
Thanks for the heads up with those sources, Jha. Stay in touch.
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25 Nov 2003 01:46:11 PM |
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" John F Lemke" <jflemke@LocalLink.net> wrote in message news:<S72dnauSx5dDL1-i4p2dnA@locallink.net>...
Seems we (the USA) knew quite a lot about the qaeda before 9/11.
Kinda odd, eh?
Sounds too much like pearl harbor.
I'm pretty much open to the discussion of pretty much anything anymore. :-)
Danial presents the beast as an empire that will lead the world in a
war for 42 months.
A nation that suffers a devastating attack, (pearl harbor) yet
recovers very quickly to lead the world for 42 months in a global war
complet with "fire falling from the sky in the sight of men". There
is more, but you know the verses much better than i.
Who do you think will benefit the most from the 9/11 attack, John?
All manipulations shall serve the Beast.
Yes.....but WHO is the beast? Interesting to speculate, is it not?
Maybe it was financed by someone else, someone who wants us to take care
of
their enemy. Could be a clever Machiavellian Tactic.
Folks that gave the Russians information on our nuclear programs in the 40's
and 50's did so because they were afraid of a capitalist hegemony in the
world. Maybe the Rosenbergs had more heroic motivations than we'd been lead
to believe.
Watch how Western corporations continue to buy up the most basic natural
resources in third world countries and you'll get a taste of what's to come.
For example, exclusive rights to water resources in African nations and even
exclusive rights to sections of the River Ganges in India.
The anti-christ won't be a communist. He'll be a flag waving, 'greed is
good', free-enterprise patriot who'll manipulate the masses according to the
old world nationalism to serve the needs of a new world order.
An excellent point, John.
"He was further permitted to wage war on God's holy people and to
overcome them. And power was given him to extend his authority over
every tribe and people and tongue and nation."
Now, who are gods holy people? whether this is referring to born
again christians, jews or what ever, i don't know.
Could be people who maintain spiritual values in leu of materialism.
This is no longer the country our fathers fought for in WWII.
Thanks for the heads up with those sources, Jha. Stay in touch.
Somehow, i don't think i mentioned anything you did not already know.
But thanks for the "stroke" anyways. ;)
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26 Nov 2003 06:35:37 AM |
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"jha_amin" <jha_amin@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Danial presents the beast as an empire that will lead the world in a
war for 42 months.
A nation that suffers a devastating attack, (pearl harbor) yet
recovers very quickly to lead the world for 42 months in a global war
complet with "fire falling from the sky in the sight of men". There
is more, but you know the verses much better than i.
I may not know the verses better than you. Don't assume, Jha, keep
spilling. :-)
Who do you think will benefit the most from the 9/11 attack, John?
All manipulations shall serve the Beast.
Yes.....but WHO is the beast? Interesting to speculate, is it not?
Primarily it's a system that will spawn it's own individual archetypes.
Representatives so to speak probably of many different colors and
persuasions. That's been going on from the beginning tho. Paul writes in
the first century:
2 Thes. 2:7 (NLT)
For this lawlessness is already at work secretly, and it will remain
secret until the one who is holding it back steps out of the way.
"THE" antichrist will be someone who will be able to function with power and
authority within the dominant economic and political reality of the time.
What system is moving to dominate the world today?
"He was further permitted to wage war on God's holy people and to
overcome them. And power was given him to extend his authority over
every tribe and people and tongue and nation."
Dead on.
Now, who are gods holy people? whether this is referring to born
again christians, jews or what ever, i don't know.
Could be people who maintain spiritual values in leu of materialism.
It is indeed an issue of the heart. This is God's primary concern, where do
our treasures lie? I'm sure that many "Christians" will be surprised at who
"makes it" and who doesn't. Many will be told "I never knew you".
This could lead to a conversation that strays way off this current topic.
:-) It's the heart connection with the eternal vine, in my humble opinion,
that brings eternal life.
Thanks for the heads up with those sources, Jha. Stay in touch.
Somehow, i don't think i mentioned anything you did not already know.
But thanks for the "stroke" anyways. ;)
Nope, Jha, I've always valued your input. It's clear you're just as if not
more conversant on these subjects than I.
Go easy....................
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26 Nov 2003 08:26:55 AM |
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" John F Lemke"
wrote:
"THE" antichrist will be someone who will be able to function with power and
authority within the dominant economic and political reality of the time.
What system is moving to dominate the >world today?
Islam.
Nope, Jha, I've always valued your input.
Even when he was worshiping SoiledDog?
Interesting.
Tony
"About the time of the end, a body of men will be raised up, who will turn
their attention to the prophecies, in the midst of much clamor and opposition."
Sir Isaac Newton
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26 Nov 2003 09:01:34 AM |
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"TonyZ2001" <tonyz2001@aol.com> wrote in message
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" John F Lemke"
Nope, Jha, I've always valued your input.
Even when he was worshiping SoiledDog?
Interesting.
Tony
Jha, were you worshiping Sollog? Isn't that pushing the experience of the
great pool of consciousness a bit far? :-)
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26 Nov 2003 08:24:49 AM |
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jha_amin@yahoo.com
wrote:
Danial presents the beast as an empire that will lead the world in a
war for 42 months.
A nation that suffers a devastating attack, (pearl harbor) yet
recovers very quickly to lead the world for 42 months in a global war
complet with "fire falling from the sky in >the sight of men".
You've got to be kidding.
"He was further permitted to wage war on >God's holy people and to
overcome them. And power was given >him to extend his authority over
every tribe and people and tongue and >nation."
Now, who are gods holy people? >whether this is referring to born
again christians, jews or what ever, i >don't know.
Of course you don't know, you are clueless.
Obviously the Holy people are the Jews and Christians (Daniel / Revelation),
and who is warring against Jews and Christians?
That's right, the Muslims.
Get a clue.
Tony
"About the time of the end, a body of men will be raised up, who will turn
their attention to the prophecies, in the midst of much clamor and opposition."
Sir Isaac Newton
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25 Nov 2003 08:03:01 AM |
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John F Lemke" <jflemke@LocalLink.net>
wrote:
The anti-christ won't be a communist. >He'll be a flag waving, 'greed is
good', free-enterprise patriot who'll >manipulate the masses according to the
old world nationalism to serve the needs >of a new world order.
He'll also be a Muslim from an Arab country.
This is no longer the country our fathers >fought for in WWII.
Sheesh, been telling you all that for years, this country has been invaded by
3rd world immigrants who have no alligence to this nation, no knowledge of its
foundings and what it stands for.
They also don't really care what happens to this country as long as they
thenselves survive, they are quite prepared to go back home if things go bad,
as many did right after 9-11.
Tony
"About the time of the end, a body of men will be raised up, who will turn
their attention to the prophecies, in the midst of much clamor and opposition."
Sir Isaac Newton
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25 Nov 2003 08:31:03 AM |
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"TonyZ2001" <tonyz2001@aol.com> wrote in message
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John F Lemke" <jflemke@LocalLink.net>
wrote:
The anti-christ won't be a communist. >He'll be a flag waving, 'greed is
good', free-enterprise patriot who'll >manipulate the masses according to
the
old world nationalism to serve the needs >of a new world order.
He'll also be a Muslim from an Arab country.
This is no longer the country our fathers >fought for in WWII.
Sheesh, been telling you all that for years, this country has been invaded
by
3rd world immigrants who have no alligence to this nation, no knowledge of
its
foundings and what it stands for.
And what might that be then pantyboy? Tell us all what you think it stands
for!
They also don't really care what happens to this country as long as they
thenselves survive,
....says pantyboy urging American troops to war from behind his monitor...
they are quite prepared to go back home if things go bad,
as many did right after 9-11.
Won't let you back into Poland I s'pose? I don't blame them.
Tony
This might come as a bit of a surprise to you pantyboy but it was
not in that sense that jflemke was talking about.
WH
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25 Nov 2003 09:53:33 AM |
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WH"
wrote:
"TonyZ2001" <tonyz2001@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20031125090301.16326.00000655@mb-m23.aol.com...
John F Lemke" <jflemke@LocalLink.net>
wrote:
The anti-christ won't be a communist. >He'll be a flag waving, 'greed is
good', free-enterprise patriot who'll >manipulate the masses according to
the
old world nationalism to serve the >>needs of a new world order.
He'll also be a Muslim from an Arab >>country.
This is no longer the country our >>fathers fought for in WWII.
Sheesh, been telling you all that for years, this country has been invaded
by
3rd world immigrants who have no >>alligence to this nation, no knowledge of
its foundings and what it stands for.
And what might that be then pantyboy? >Tell us all what you think it stands
for!
Hey Terrorist, the USA stands for freedom, it stands up to those that wish to
oppress people, such as your radical Islamic friends.
They also don't really care what >>happens to this country as long as they
themselves survive,
...says pantyboy urging American troops >to war from behind his monitor...
Says the Terrorist who roots for the Islamic radicals from behind his monitor.
they are quite prepared to go back >>home if things go bad,
as many did right after 9-11.
Won't let you back into Poland I s'pose? I >don't blame them.
This might come as a bit of a surprise to >you pantyboy but it was
not in that sense that jflemke was talking >about.
WH
Hey pinhead, I know exactly what he meant, which is why I straightened him out.
Tony
"About the time of the end, a body of men will be raised up, who will turn
their attention to the prophecies, in the midst of much clamor and opposition."
Sir Isaac Newton
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| User: "WH" |
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25 Nov 2003 12:40:55 PM |
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"TonyZ2001" <tonyz2001@aol.com> skrev i meddelandet
news:20031125105333.16326.00000674@mb-m23.aol.com...
WH"
wrote:
"TonyZ2001" <tonyz2001@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20031125090301.16326.00000655@mb-m23.aol.com...
John F Lemke" <jflemke@LocalLink.net>
wrote:
The anti-christ won't be a communist. >He'll be a flag waving, 'greed
is
good', free-enterprise patriot who'll >manipulate the masses according
to
the
old world nationalism to serve the >>needs of a new world order.
He'll also be a Muslim from an Arab >>country.
This is no longer the country our >>fathers fought for in WWII.
Sheesh, been telling you all that for years, this country has been
invaded
by
3rd world immigrants who have no >>alligence to this nation, no
knowledge of
its foundings and what it stands for.
And what might that be then pantyboy? >Tell us all what you think it
stands
for!
Hey Terrorist, the USA stands for freedom, it stands up to those that wish
to
oppress people, such as your radical Islamic friends.
LOL! By oppressing those they want to save from oppression it would seem.
They also don't really care what >>happens to this country as long as
they
themselves survive,
...says pantyboy urging American troops >to war from behind his
monitor...
Says the Terrorist who roots for the Islamic radicals from behind his
monitor.
Opposing US oppression is "supporting" terrorists?
they are quite prepared to go back >>home if things go bad,
as many did right after 9-11.
Won't let you back into Poland I s'pose? I >don't blame them.
This might come as a bit of a surprise to >you pantyboy but it was
not in that sense that jflemke was talking >about.
WH
Hey pinhead, I know exactly what he meant, which is why I straightened him
out.
Tony
You didn't get what he meant till I pointed it out you lyin' bastich!
WH
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26 Nov 2003 07:01:03 AM |
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"TonyZ2001" <tonyz2001@aol.com> wrote in message
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WH"
wrote:
Hey Terrorist, the USA stands for freedom, it stands up to those that wish
to
oppress people, such as your radical Islamic friends.
Democracy don't rule the world,
you'd better get that thru your head.
This world is ruled by violence
but that's better left unsaid.
-Mr. Bob Dylan.
A raging desire for freedom burns in the soul of each American. "The powers
that be" will manipulate that to their own purposes whether it be in Iraq,
Nicaragua, Guatemala, Viet Nam or even the American West a century and a
half ago. Freedom is something worthy and enviable to fight for. Just
don't let someone else's freedom conflict with American economic interests.
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26 Nov 2003 06:41:56 AM |
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"TonyZ2001" <tonyz2001@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20031125090301.16326.00000655@mb-m23.aol.com...
John F Lemke" <jflemke@LocalLink.net>
wrote:
The anti-christ won't be a communist. >He'll be a flag waving, 'greed is
good', free-enterprise patriot who'll >manipulate the masses according to
the
old world nationalism to serve the needs >of a new world order.
He'll also be a Muslim from an Arab country.
I' sure 'anti-christ' will manifest in a lot of different forms.
This is no longer the country our fathers >fought for in WWII.
Sheesh, been telling you all that for years,
It may not have even been the country our fathers fought for. :-)
this country has been invaded by
3rd world immigrants who have no alligence to this nation, no knowledge of
its
foundings and what it stands for.
This country has also been 'invaded' by corporate greed and evil "in high
places" that no longer serves nationalistic or patriotic purposes. It
serves only profit and power, control and manipulation.
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| User: "TonyZ2001" |
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26 Nov 2003 08:27:54 AM |
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John F Lemke" ><jflemke@LocalLink.net>
wrote:
"TonyZ2001" <tonyz2001@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20031125090301.16326.00000655@mb-m23.aol.com...
John F Lemke" <jflemke@LocalLink.net>
wrote:
The anti-christ won't be a communist. >He'll be a flag waving, 'greed is
good', free-enterprise patriot who'll >manipulate the masses according to
the
old world nationalism to serve the needs >of a new world order.
He'll also be a Muslim from an Arab country.
I' sure 'anti-christ' will manifest in a lot of different forms.
This is no longer the country our fathers >fought for in WWII.
Sheesh, been telling you all that for years,
It may not have even been the country our fathers fought for. :-)
this country has been invaded by
3rd world immigrants who have no alligence to this nation, no knowledge of
its
foundings and what it stands for.
This country has also been 'invaded' by corporate greed and evil "in high
places" that no longer serves >nationalistic or patriotic purposes. It
serves only profit and power, control and >manipulation.
Very true.
Tony
"About the time of the end, a body of men will be raised up, who will turn
their attention to the prophecies, in the midst of much clamor and opposition."
Sir Isaac Newton
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| User: " John F Lemke" |
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26 Nov 2003 09:03:03 AM |
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"TonyZ2001" <tonyz2001@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20031125090301.16326.00000655@mb-m23.aol.com...
John F Lemke" <jflemke@LocalLink.net>
This country has also been 'invaded' by corporate greed and evil "in high
places" that no longer serves >nationalistic or patriotic purposes. It
serves only profit and power, control and >manipulation.
Very true.
Tony
Cool, common ground. :-)
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