The real 'reason for the season'....
SANTA SATAN
by Mr. Normal
(Xmas Eve, 2000)
Is it plausible that Santa is really Satan?"
Think about it, folks! It's not just that "Santa" is an obvious
anagram of Satan; that Santa wears a demonic red suit symbolic of the
fires of Hell; and that his huge hat must conceal horns. The clincher
is that Santa represents xmas, that time of year when christian greed
and phony sincerity reach their unctuous peak. It's the season when
braindead followers of the ultimate cult are whipped into frenzies that
leave them figuratively drained -- broke and exhausted.
Understandably, it's also the time of the year when depression and
suicides max out as the futility of achieving happiness sinks in at
least subliminally. A December, 2000 Gallup poll shows that 85% of us
think that xmas is too commercial, but Santa/Satan wouldn't have it any
other way! Our most respected institutions are in on the plot too.
Even the law of the land (U.S.A.) forbids a baby Jesus in the town
square, but who's there instead? You
guessed it! Santa! - Satan.
Lucifer/Satan once was one of God's angels. Satan's attempted
heavenly coup failed (Isa. 14:12-15), but he was given his very own
place to rule and called it Hell/Earth (Rev. 12:9) Satan also got free
reign to tempt as many people as he wanted (even Christ himself!) and
lots of fabulous stuff to tempt them with (like eternal youth and
Mercedes Benzes). However, Satan still was not satisfied. He worked
hard to make xmas the most important retail event of the year. A
recent survey showed that 60% of holiday spending occurs at xmas, and
another 20% at Satan's recognized holiday of Halloween. Think about
it, folks! Satan has locked up 80% of our holiday dollars! Who else
could be the "red dragon" of Revelation 12:3, ?. More important is
that asking Santa for something really is an unwitting pact with the
Devil, and parents are dooming their children's souls to Hell-Fire!
(Coming to your neighbourhood; soon - JAH.)
"Santa Satan's" devilish temptations have achieved what John Lennon
could only try to claim for the Beatles -- greater popularity than
Jesus! Indeed, "Santa Satan" truly is the reason for the season!
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To read the whole article, and the whole truth about Christ-mas, please
visit http://www.truth.fi/xmas.htm
Long live the fighters for Good & Truth.
Freeman
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17 Dec 2006 01:21:40 AM |
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Werewolfy wrote:
Steven Douglas wrote:
Just as a point of interest, how do you think life on earth originated?
That's one of those 'good' questions, Steven.
I favour a chemical 'accident'...a concoction of just the right acids
and elements, combined with just the right conditions to create a soup
of bacteria. That bacteria evolved as per Darwin into many life forms.
We are just one of them.
A human being is no different to any combination of elements really. We
happen to be Homo Sapiens by chance. Could easily be a bird, a tree or
even a stone.
When our individual existance finishes, we will be ...anything
eventually. A stone perhaps...just a collection of atomic particles
arranged in a natural way.
Speculation...but it all seems valid enough to me. It is far more
persuasive than any Devine theory.
Werewolfy
"favour a chemical 'accident'...a concoction of just the right acids
and elements"
That reminds of another Einstein saying: "God does not play dice." Will
the right chemical compositon in the right circumstances without
intervention of any kind of intellegence produce me a new car? Why did
these "right compositions" produce an insignifigant diatom, and not a
full human, cat, bear, or rhinoceros? Nothing is random, nothing is a
coincidence. I If we were no better than any other living being, than
why are we not allied with nations of rabbits fighting evil tommy
gun-toting badgers? People are special. Not accidents.
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17 Dec 2006 01:55:58 AM |
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After Much Chewing of Cud and Cogitation, "Hammondlover" <lordvader131
@yahoo.com> Spat the Words
Werewolfy wrote:
Steven Douglas wrote:
Just as a point of interest, how do you think life on earth
originated?
That's one of those 'good' questions, Steven.
I favour a chemical 'accident'...a concoction of just the right acids
and elements, combined with just the right conditions to create a soup
of bacteria. That bacteria evolved as per Darwin into many life forms.
We are just one of them.
A human being is no different to any combination of elements really. We
happen to be Homo Sapiens by chance. Could easily be a bird, a tree or
even a stone.
When our individual existance finishes, we will be ...anything
eventually. A stone perhaps...just a collection of atomic particles
arranged in a natural way.
Speculation...but it all seems valid enough to me. It is far more
persuasive than any Devine theory.
Werewolfy
"favour a chemical 'accident'...a concoction of just the right acids
and elements"
That reminds of another Einstein saying: "God does not play dice." Will
the right chemical compositon in the right circumstances without
intervention of any kind of intellegence produce me a new car? Why did
these "right compositions" produce an insignifigant diatom, and not a
full human, cat, bear, or rhinoceros? Nothing is random, nothing is a
coincidence. I If we were no better than any other living being, than
why are we not allied with nations of rabbits fighting evil tommy
gun-toting badgers? People are special. Not accidents.
People are definitely special... we have much larger brains than
the other animals. It is no accident we have come to dominate the
landscape... it is evolution. The super-predators have dominated.
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16 Dec 2006 10:03:57 AM |
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Werewolfy wrote:
Steven Douglas wrote:
Just as a point of interest, how do you think life on earth originated?
That's one of those 'good' questions, Steven.
I favour a chemical 'accident'...a concoction of just the right acids
and elements, combined with just the right conditions to create a soup
of bacteria. That bacteria evolved as per Darwin into many life forms.
We are just one of them.
A human being is no different to any combination of elements really. We
happen to be Homo Sapiens by chance. Could easily be a bird, a tree or
even a stone.
When our individual existance finishes, we will be ...anything
eventually. A stone perhaps...just a collection of atomic particles
arranged in a natural way.
Speculation...but it all seems valid enough to me. It is far more
persuasive than any Devine theory.
And, of course (and not surprisingly), I find Darwin's "warm soup"
theory to be far more incredibly unbelievable. It is far more easy for
me to believe in a Supreme Being who created life than it is to believe
we are the result of some chemical accident. From the complexity of our
DNA, to the level of intelligence with which human beings are imbued
(some more than others, of course!), it seems practically impossible
(to me) that our existence occurred by accident.
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| User: "mukyuk" |
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16 Dec 2006 11:19:58 AM |
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"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote in message
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Werewolfy wrote:
Steven Douglas wrote:
Just as a point of interest, how do you think life on earth originated?
That's one of those 'good' questions, Steven.
I favour a chemical 'accident'...a concoction of just the right acids
and elements, combined with just the right conditions to create a soup
of bacteria. That bacteria evolved as per Darwin into many life forms.
We are just one of them.
A human being is no different to any combination of elements really. We
happen to be Homo Sapiens by chance. Could easily be a bird, a tree or
even a stone.
When our individual existance finishes, we will be ...anything
eventually. A stone perhaps...just a collection of atomic particles
arranged in a natural way.
Speculation...but it all seems valid enough to me. It is far more
persuasive than any Devine theory.
And, of course (and not surprisingly), I find Darwin's "warm soup"
theory to be far more incredibly unbelievable. It is far more easy for
me to believe in a Supreme Being who created life than it is to believe
we are the result of some chemical accident. From the complexity of our
DNA, to the level of intelligence with which human beings are imbued
(some more than others, of course!), it seems practically impossible
(to me) that our existence occurred by accident.
I sympathize with your view regarding the splendor of reality.
Nevertheless, it's still far cry to believe that the Bible explains anything
about 'God' at all. Where is the evidence of that? It's just a story book,
that's all!! And to make matters worse, most of the stories are dull and
boring!!
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| User: "Steven Douglas" |
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16 Dec 2006 09:05:02 PM |
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mukyuk wrote:
"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1166285037.264081.165990@t46g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Werewolfy wrote:
Steven Douglas wrote:
Just as a point of interest, how do you think life on earth originated?
That's one of those 'good' questions, Steven.
I favour a chemical 'accident'...a concoction of just the right acids
and elements, combined with just the right conditions to create a soup
of bacteria. That bacteria evolved as per Darwin into many life forms.
We are just one of them.
A human being is no different to any combination of elements really. We
happen to be Homo Sapiens by chance. Could easily be a bird, a tree or
even a stone.
When our individual existance finishes, we will be ...anything
eventually. A stone perhaps...just a collection of atomic particles
arranged in a natural way.
Speculation...but it all seems valid enough to me. It is far more
persuasive than any Devine theory.
And, of course (and not surprisingly), I find Darwin's "warm soup"
theory to be far more incredibly unbelievable. It is far more easy for
me to believe in a Supreme Being who created life than it is to believe
we are the result of some chemical accident. From the complexity of our
DNA, to the level of intelligence with which human beings are imbued
(some more than others, of course!), it seems practically impossible
(to me) that our existence occurred by accident.
I sympathize with your view regarding the splendor of reality.
Nevertheless, it's still far cry to believe that the Bible explains anything
about 'God' at all.
I made no mention of the Bible in this post.
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| User: "mukyuk" |
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16 Dec 2006 11:38:17 PM |
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"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1166324702.173764.263630@80g2000cwy.googlegroups.com...
mukyuk wrote:
"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1166285037.264081.165990@t46g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Werewolfy wrote:
Steven Douglas wrote:
Just as a point of interest, how do you think life on earth
originated?
That's one of those 'good' questions, Steven.
I favour a chemical 'accident'...a concoction of just the right acids
and elements, combined with just the right conditions to create a soup
of bacteria. That bacteria evolved as per Darwin into many life forms.
We are just one of them.
A human being is no different to any combination of elements really.
We
happen to be Homo Sapiens by chance. Could easily be a bird, a tree or
even a stone.
When our individual existance finishes, we will be ...anything
eventually. A stone perhaps...just a collection of atomic particles
arranged in a natural way.
Speculation...but it all seems valid enough to me. It is far more
persuasive than any Devine theory.
And, of course (and not surprisingly), I find Darwin's "warm soup"
theory to be far more incredibly unbelievable. It is far more easy for
me to believe in a Supreme Being who created life than it is to believe
we are the result of some chemical accident. From the complexity of our
DNA, to the level of intelligence with which human beings are imbued
(some more than others, of course!), it seems practically impossible
(to me) that our existence occurred by accident.
I sympathize with your view regarding the splendor of reality.
Nevertheless, it's still far cry to believe that the Bible explains
anything
about 'God' at all.
I made no mention of the Bible in this post.
But it's still what you believe....
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| User: "Steven Douglas" |
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17 Dec 2006 11:17:03 PM |
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mukyuk wrote:
"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1166324702.173764.263630@80g2000cwy.googlegroups.com...
mukyuk wrote:
"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1166285037.264081.165990@t46g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Werewolfy wrote:
Steven Douglas wrote:
Just as a point of interest, how do you think life on earth
originated?
That's one of those 'good' questions, Steven.
I favour a chemical 'accident'...a concoction of just the right acids
and elements, combined with just the right conditions to create a soup
of bacteria. That bacteria evolved as per Darwin into many life forms.
We are just one of them.
A human being is no different to any combination of elements really.
We
happen to be Homo Sapiens by chance. Could easily be a bird, a tree or
even a stone.
When our individual existance finishes, we will be ...anything
eventually. A stone perhaps...just a collection of atomic particles
arranged in a natural way.
Speculation...but it all seems valid enough to me. It is far more
persuasive than any Devine theory.
And, of course (and not surprisingly), I find Darwin's "warm soup"
theory to be far more incredibly unbelievable. It is far more easy for
me to believe in a Supreme Being who created life than it is to believe
we are the result of some chemical accident. From the complexity of our
DNA, to the level of intelligence with which human beings are imbued
(some more than others, of course!), it seems practically impossible
(to me) that our existence occurred by accident.
I sympathize with your view regarding the splendor of reality.
Nevertheless, it's still far cry to believe that the Bible explains
anything
about 'God' at all.
I made no mention of the Bible in this post.
But it's still what you believe....
Yes, but in this particular post, I gave reasons why I believe in a
creator while I made no mention of the Bible.
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| User: "Werewolfy" |
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16 Dec 2006 02:49:15 PM |
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mukyuk wrote:
I sympathize with your view regarding the splendor of reality.
Nevertheless, it's still far cry to believe that the Bible explains anything
about 'God' at all. Where is the evidence of that? It's just a story book,
that's all!! And to make matters worse, most of the stories are dull and
boring!!
Einstein made the remark, "If God didn't exist it would be necessary
for man to invent him"
Well, Man did invent him. It's about the only way our minds are capable
of..well, not quite understanding, but of being 'comfortable' with the
Universe and it's purpose.
We still see ourselves as being 'special'. That I believe is simply not
true. Mankind is no more than another of evolution's experiments, and a
very recent one at that. It's most unlikely that we will continue to
exist for as long as did the Dinosaurs, very unlikely indeed. No Bible,
No prayer will prevent our joining the ranks of the extinct. Did you
know, Steven, 99% of all known life is extinct? It's comforting to wrap
ourselves in the garments of Faith. No-one wants to be insignificant.
Sadly, we all are just that. The Universe isn't over-concerned about
our existance.
Werewolfy
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| User: "Steven Douglas" |
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16 Dec 2006 09:18:15 PM |
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Werewolfy wrote:
mukyuk wrote:
I sympathize with your view regarding the splendor of reality.
Nevertheless, it's still far cry to believe that the Bible explains anything
about 'God' at all. Where is the evidence of that? It's just a story book,
that's all!! And to make matters worse, most of the stories are dull and
boring!!
Einstein made the remark, "If God didn't exist it would be necessary
for man to invent him"
Well, Man did invent him. It's about the only way our minds are capable
of..well, not quite understanding, but of being 'comfortable' with the
Universe and it's purpose.
We still see ourselves as being 'special'.
Are we not more "special" than other life forms? Is an animal's life
just as valuable as a human being's life?
That I believe is simply not
true. Mankind is no more than another of evolution's experiments, and a
very recent one at that.
It's true that we came along recently, in terms of the earth's long
history.
It's most unlikely that we will continue to
exist for as long as did the Dinosaurs, very unlikely indeed. No Bible,
No prayer will prevent our joining the ranks of the extinct.
Actually, the Bible agrees with you on that one.
Did you
know, Steven, 99% of all known life is extinct? It's comforting to wrap
ourselves in the garments of Faith. No-one wants to be insignificant.
Sadly, we all are just that. The Universe isn't over-concerned about
our existance.
The universe is an inanimate object.
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| User: "Perseid" |
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16 Dec 2006 02:38:13 PM |
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After Much Chewing of Cud and Cogitation, "Steven Douglas"
<dsteven@flashmail.com> Spat the Words
Werewolfy wrote:
Steven Douglas wrote:
Just as a point of interest, how do you think life on earth
originated?
That's one of those 'good' questions, Steven.
I favour a chemical 'accident'...a concoction of just the right acids
and elements, combined with just the right conditions to create a soup
of bacteria. That bacteria evolved as per Darwin into many life forms.
We are just one of them.
A human being is no different to any combination of elements really. We
happen to be Homo Sapiens by chance. Could easily be a bird, a tree or
even a stone.
When our individual existance finishes, we will be ...anything
eventually. A stone perhaps...just a collection of atomic particles
arranged in a natural way.
Speculation...but it all seems valid enough to me. It is far more
persuasive than any Devine theory.
And, of course (and not surprisingly), I find Darwin's "warm soup"
theory to be far more incredibly unbelievable. It is far more easy for
me to believe in a Supreme Being who created life than it is to believe
we are the result of some chemical accident.
It is definitely far 'easier' to explain away physical phenomenon
by attributing them to supernatural forces, than it is to do the
hard work of science to determine fundamental causes. Pre-Industrial
societies are superstitious because they are unable to explain the
reasons for certain physical phenomenon.
From the complexity of our
DNA, to the level of intelligence with which human beings are imbued
(some more than others, of course!), it seems practically impossible
(to me) that our existence occurred by accident.
Are you trying to sell me something Stephen ?
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| User: "Steven Douglas" |
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16 Dec 2006 09:12:16 PM |
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Perseid wrote:
After Much Chewing of Cud and Cogitation, "Steven Douglas"
<dsteven@flashmail.com> Spat the Words
Werewolfy wrote:
Steven Douglas wrote:
Just as a point of interest, how do you think life on earth
originated?
That's one of those 'good' questions, Steven.
I favour a chemical 'accident'...a concoction of just the right acids
and elements, combined with just the right conditions to create a soup
of bacteria. That bacteria evolved as per Darwin into many life forms.
We are just one of them.
A human being is no different to any combination of elements really. We
happen to be Homo Sapiens by chance. Could easily be a bird, a tree or
even a stone.
When our individual existance finishes, we will be ...anything
eventually. A stone perhaps...just a collection of atomic particles
arranged in a natural way.
Speculation...but it all seems valid enough to me. It is far more
persuasive than any Devine theory.
And, of course (and not surprisingly), I find Darwin's "warm soup"
theory to be far more incredibly unbelievable. It is far more easy for
me to believe in a Supreme Being who created life than it is to believe
we are the result of some chemical accident.
It is definitely far 'easier' to explain away physical phenomenon
by attributing them to supernatural forces, than it is to do the
hard work of science to determine fundamental causes.
So explain to me the the mathematical probability that life on earth
sprang forth from some "warm soup" (to quote Darwin). If I am expected
to believe the scientifice explanation, I'd like to know if the
probability of life springing forth from "warm soup" is likely, or if
it is a (scientifically speaking) mathematical impossibilty?
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| User: "mukyuk" |
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16 Dec 2006 11:42:37 PM |
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"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1166325136.352424.235020@16g2000cwy.googlegroups.com...
Perseid wrote:
After Much Chewing of Cud and Cogitation, "Steven Douglas"
<dsteven@flashmail.com> Spat the Words
Werewolfy wrote:
Steven Douglas wrote:
Just as a point of interest, how do you think life on earth
originated?
That's one of those 'good' questions, Steven.
I favour a chemical 'accident'...a concoction of just the right acids
and elements, combined with just the right conditions to create a soup
of bacteria. That bacteria evolved as per Darwin into many life forms.
We are just one of them.
A human being is no different to any combination of elements really.
We
happen to be Homo Sapiens by chance. Could easily be a bird, a tree or
even a stone.
When our individual existance finishes, we will be ...anything
eventually. A stone perhaps...just a collection of atomic particles
arranged in a natural way.
Speculation...but it all seems valid enough to me. It is far more
persuasive than any Devine theory.
And, of course (and not surprisingly), I find Darwin's "warm soup"
theory to be far more incredibly unbelievable. It is far more easy for
me to believe in a Supreme Being who created life than it is to believe
we are the result of some chemical accident.
It is definitely far 'easier' to explain away physical phenomenon
by attributing them to supernatural forces, than it is to do the
hard work of science to determine fundamental causes.
So explain to me the the mathematical probability that life on earth
sprang forth from some "warm soup" (to quote Darwin).
..... probably a lot greater than the probablblity of a perfect omnepotent
beaing springing from nothing at all! You explain that first!!
If I am expected
to believe the scientifice explanation, I'd like to know if the
probability of life springing forth from "warm soup" is likely, or if
it is a (scientifically speaking) mathematical impossibilty?
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| User: "Phoon Hencman" |
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17 Dec 2006 07:00:55 PM |
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On 2006-12-17 00:42:37 -0500, "mukyuk" <a@b.com> said:
So explain to me the the mathematical probability that life on earth
sprang forth from some "warm soup" (to quote Darwin).
.... probably a lot greater than the probablblity of a perfect
omnepotent beaing springing from nothing at all! You explain that
first!!
Good luck getting THAT answer!
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| User: "Steven Douglas" |
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17 Dec 2006 11:28:13 PM |
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Phoon Hencman wrote:
On 2006-12-17 00:42:37 -0500, "mukyuk" <a@b.com> said:
So explain to me the the mathematical probability that life on earth
sprang forth from some "warm soup" (to quote Darwin).
.... probably a lot greater than the probablblity of a perfect
omnepotent beaing springing from nothing at all! You explain that
first!!
Good luck getting THAT answer!
I believe in a creator who has no beginning and no end. I know that's
difficult for your human imagination to comprehend, but then human
beings are not God, are we?
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| User: "Steven Douglas" |
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17 Dec 2006 11:18:56 PM |
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mukyuk wrote:
"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1166325136.352424.235020@16g2000cwy.googlegroups.com...
Perseid wrote:
After Much Chewing of Cud and Cogitation, "Steven Douglas"
<dsteven@flashmail.com> Spat the Words
Werewolfy wrote:
Steven Douglas wrote:
Just as a point of interest, how do you think life on earth
originated?
That's one of those 'good' questions, Steven.
I favour a chemical 'accident'...a concoction of just the right acids
and elements, combined with just the right conditions to create a soup
of bacteria. That bacteria evolved as per Darwin into many life forms.
We are just one of them.
A human being is no different to any combination of elements really.
We
happen to be Homo Sapiens by chance. Could easily be a bird, a tree or
even a stone.
When our individual existance finishes, we will be ...anything
eventually. A stone perhaps...just a collection of atomic particles
arranged in a natural way.
Speculation...but it all seems valid enough to me. It is far more
persuasive than any Devine theory.
And, of course (and not surprisingly), I find Darwin's "warm soup"
theory to be far more incredibly unbelievable. It is far more easy for
me to believe in a Supreme Being who created life than it is to believe
we are the result of some chemical accident.
It is definitely far 'easier' to explain away physical phenomenon
by attributing them to supernatural forces, than it is to do the
hard work of science to determine fundamental causes.
So explain to me the the mathematical probability that life on earth
sprang forth from some "warm soup" (to quote Darwin).
.... probably a lot greater than the probablblity of a perfect omnepotent
beaing springing from nothing at all! You explain that first!!
Since you're such a mathematical whiz, why don't you calculate the odds
that life could somehow spring forth from "warm soup" -- and please be
sure to consider all the variables that would have to be just right for
that to happen.
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| User: "mukyuk" |
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18 Dec 2006 02:00:11 AM |
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"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1166419135.928098.78450@f1g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
mukyuk wrote:
"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1166325136.352424.235020@16g2000cwy.googlegroups.com...
Perseid wrote:
After Much Chewing of Cud and Cogitation, "Steven Douglas"
<dsteven@flashmail.com> Spat the Words
Werewolfy wrote:
Steven Douglas wrote:
Just as a point of interest, how do you think life on earth
originated?
That's one of those 'good' questions, Steven.
I favour a chemical 'accident'...a concoction of just the right
acids
and elements, combined with just the right conditions to create a
soup
of bacteria. That bacteria evolved as per Darwin into many life
forms.
We are just one of them.
A human being is no different to any combination of elements
really.
We
happen to be Homo Sapiens by chance. Could easily be a bird, a tree
or
even a stone.
When our individual existance finishes, we will be ...anything
eventually. A stone perhaps...just a collection of atomic particles
arranged in a natural way.
Speculation...but it all seems valid enough to me. It is far more
persuasive than any Devine theory.
And, of course (and not surprisingly), I find Darwin's "warm soup"
theory to be far more incredibly unbelievable. It is far more easy
for
me to believe in a Supreme Being who created life than it is to
believe
we are the result of some chemical accident.
It is definitely far 'easier' to explain away physical phenomenon
by attributing them to supernatural forces, than it is to do the
hard work of science to determine fundamental causes.
So explain to me the the mathematical probability that life on earth
sprang forth from some "warm soup" (to quote Darwin).
.... probably a lot greater than the probablblity of a perfect omnepotent
beaing springing from nothing at all! You explain that first!!
Since you're such a mathematical whiz, why don't you calculate the odds
that life could somehow spring forth from "warm soup" -- and please be
sure to consider all the variables that would have to be just right for
that to happen.
Ironically, I just had some 'warm soup' for dinner, so obviously life can
comes from warm soup. Show me your God and I will believe!!!
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18 Dec 2006 07:41:38 AM |
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mukyuk wrote:
"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1166419135.928098.78450@f1g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
mukyuk wrote:
"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1166325136.352424.235020@16g2000cwy.googlegroups.com...
Perseid wrote:
After Much Chewing of Cud and Cogitation, "Steven Douglas"
<dsteven@flashmail.com> Spat the Words
Werewolfy wrote:
Steven Douglas wrote:
Just as a point of interest, how do you think life on earth
originated?
That's one of those 'good' questions, Steven.
I favour a chemical 'accident'...a concoction of just the right
acids
and elements, combined with just the right conditions to create a
soup
of bacteria. That bacteria evolved as per Darwin into many life
forms.
We are just one of them.
A human being is no different to any combination of elements
really.
We
happen to be Homo Sapiens by chance. Could easily be a bird, a tree
or
even a stone.
When our individual existance finishes, we will be ...anything
eventually. A stone perhaps...just a collection of atomic particles
arranged in a natural way.
Speculation...but it all seems valid enough to me. It is far more
persuasive than any Devine theory.
And, of course (and not surprisingly), I find Darwin's "warm soup"
theory to be far more incredibly unbelievable. It is far more easy
for
me to believe in a Supreme Being who created life than it is to
believe
we are the result of some chemical accident.
It is definitely far 'easier' to explain away physical phenomenon
by attributing them to supernatural forces, than it is to do the
hard work of science to determine fundamental causes.
So explain to me the the mathematical probability that life on earth
sprang forth from some "warm soup" (to quote Darwin).
.... probably a lot greater than the probablblity of a perfect omnepotent
beaing springing from nothing at all! You explain that first!!
Since you're such a mathematical whiz, why don't you calculate the odds
that life could somehow spring forth from "warm soup" -- and please be
sure to consider all the variables that would have to be just right for
that to happen.
Ironically, I just had some 'warm soup' for dinner, so obviously life can
comes from warm soup.
Hey! Maybe that's what Darwin was thinking about when he made his "warm
soup" comment.
Show me your God and I will believe!!!
Of course you'd believe if God removed your free will to disbelieve.
Duh!
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| User: "Perseid" |
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17 Dec 2006 01:41:21 AM |
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After Much Chewing of Cud and Cogitation, "Steven Douglas"
<dsteven@flashmail.com> Spat the Words
Perseid wrote:
After Much Chewing of Cud and Cogitation, "Steven Douglas"
<dsteven@flashmail.com> Spat the Words
Werewolfy wrote:
Steven Douglas wrote:
Just as a point of interest, how do you think life on earth
originated?
That's one of those 'good' questions, Steven.
I favour a chemical 'accident'...a concoction of just the right
acids
and elements, combined with just the right conditions to create a
soup
of bacteria. That bacteria evolved as per Darwin into many life
forms.
We are just one of them.
A human being is no different to any combination of elements really.
We
happen to be Homo Sapiens by chance. Could easily be a bird, a tree
or
even a stone.
When our individual existance finishes, we will be ...anything
eventually. A stone perhaps...just a collection of atomic particles
arranged in a natural way.
Speculation...but it all seems valid enough to me. It is far more
persuasive than any Devine theory.
And, of course (and not surprisingly), I find Darwin's "warm soup"
theory to be far more incredibly unbelievable. It is far more easy
for
me to believe in a Supreme Being who created life than it is to
believe
we are the result of some chemical accident.
It is definitely far 'easier' to explain away physical phenomenon
by attributing them to supernatural forces, than it is to do the
hard work of science to determine fundamental causes.
So explain to me the the mathematical probability that life on earth
sprang forth from some "warm soup" (to quote Darwin). If I am expected
to believe the scientifice explanation, I'd like to know if the
probability of life springing forth from "warm soup" is likely, or if
it is a (scientifically speaking) mathematical impossibilty?
Combinatorics and Probability were never my strong-suits,
but my humble opinion is that life emerging anywhere would
be a very low probability. I believe the ideas and postulates
put forth in the book 'The Rare Earth' to be accurate, that
is, life (intelligent life) emerging on earth was only possible
through a combination of rare, even unique, events, including
existance of gas giants in our solar system, a close orbiting
satellite (the moon) to keep us from 'wobbling' in our daily
rotation, just the right proximity to the sun, just the right
percentages of certain elements on earth, etc... the book lists
all the rare circumstances.
The emergence of life on earth is improbable yes, but definitely
NOT a mathematical impossibility. In fact, given enough time,
nothing is impossible. Given eternity, water will at some point
run uphill.
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| User: "Steven Douglas" |
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| Title: Re: Santa - Satan |
17 Dec 2006 11:21:24 PM |
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Perseid wrote:
After Much Chewing of Cud and Cogitation, "Steven Douglas"
<dsteven@flashmail.com> Spat the Words
Perseid wrote:
After Much Chewing of Cud and Cogitation, "Steven Douglas"
<dsteven@flashmail.com> Spat the Words
Werewolfy wrote:
Steven Douglas wrote:
Just as a point of interest, how do you think life on earth
originated?
That's one of those 'good' questions, Steven.
I favour a chemical 'accident'...a concoction of just the right
acids
and elements, combined with just the right conditions to create a
soup
of bacteria. That bacteria evolved as per Darwin into many life
forms.
We are just one of them.
A human being is no different to any combination of elements really.
We
happen to be Homo Sapiens by chance. Could easily be a bird, a tree
or
even a stone.
When our individual existance finishes, we will be ...anything
eventually. A stone perhaps...just a collection of atomic particles
arranged in a natural way.
Speculation...but it all seems valid enough to me. It is far more
persuasive than any Devine theory.
And, of course (and not surprisingly), I find Darwin's "warm soup"
theory to be far more incredibly unbelievable. It is far more easy
for
me to believe in a Supreme Being who created life than it is to
believe
we are the result of some chemical accident.
It is definitely far 'easier' to explain away physical phenomenon
by attributing them to supernatural forces, than it is to do the
hard work of science to determine fundamental causes.
So explain to me the the mathematical probability that life on earth
sprang forth from some "warm soup" (to quote Darwin). If I am expected
to believe the scientifice explanation, I'd like to know if the
probability of life springing forth from "warm soup" is likely, or if
it is a (scientifically speaking) mathematical impossibilty?
Combinatorics and Probability were never my strong-suits,
but my humble opinion is that life emerging anywhere would
be a very low probability. I believe the ideas and postulates
put forth in the book 'The Rare Earth' to be accurate, that
is, life (intelligent life) emerging on earth was only possible
through a combination of rare, even unique, events, including
existance of gas giants in our solar system, a close orbiting
satellite (the moon) to keep us from 'wobbling' in our daily
rotation, just the right proximity to the sun, just the right
percentages of certain elements on earth, etc... the book lists
all the rare circumstances.
I've thought about all those things many times -- and all that does is
strengthen my belief that a creator put all those rare, unique events
in place.
The emergence of life on earth is improbable yes, but definitely
NOT a mathematical impossibility. In fact, given enough time,
nothing is impossible. Given eternity, water will at some point
run uphill.
I've seen you say this before. On what basis do you believe water will,
at some point, run uphill?
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| User: "Perseid" |
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| Title: Re: Santa - Satan |
18 Dec 2006 09:31:49 PM |
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After Much Chewing of Cud and Cogitation, "Steven Douglas"
<dsteven@flashmail.com> Spat the Words
Perseid wrote:
After Much Chewing of Cud and Cogitation, "Steven Douglas"
<dsteven@flashmail.com> Spat the Words
Perseid wrote:
After Much Chewing of Cud and Cogitation, "Steven Douglas"
<dsteven@flashmail.com> Spat the Words
Werewolfy wrote:
Steven Douglas wrote:
Just as a point of interest, how do you think life on earth
originated?
That's one of those 'good' questions, Steven.
I favour a chemical 'accident'...a concoction of just the right
acids
and elements, combined with just the right conditions to create a
soup
of bacteria. That bacteria evolved as per Darwin into many life
forms.
We are just one of them.
A human being is no different to any combination of elements
really.
We
happen to be Homo Sapiens by chance. Could easily be a bird, a
tree
or
even a stone.
When our individual existance finishes, we will be ...anything
eventually. A stone perhaps...just a collection of atomic
particles
arranged in a natural way.
Speculation...but it all seems valid enough to me. It is far more
persuasive than any Devine theory.
And, of course (and not surprisingly), I find Darwin's "warm soup"
theory to be far more incredibly unbelievable. It is far more easy
for
me to believe in a Supreme Being who created life than it is to
believe
we are the result of some chemical accident.
It is definitely far 'easier' to explain away physical phenomenon
by attributing them to supernatural forces, than it is to do the
hard work of science to determine fundamental causes.
So explain to me the the mathematical probability that life on earth
sprang forth from some "warm soup" (to quote Darwin). If I am
expected
to believe the scientifice explanation, I'd like to know if the
probability of life springing forth from "warm soup" is likely, or if
it is a (scientifically speaking) mathematical impossibilty?
Combinatorics and Probability were never my strong-suits,
but my humble opinion is that life emerging anywhere would
be a very low probability. I believe the ideas and postulates
put forth in the book 'The Rare Earth' to be accurate, that
is, life (intelligent life) emerging on earth was only possible
through a combination of rare, even unique, events, including
existance of gas giants in our solar system, a close orbiting
satellite (the moon) to keep us from 'wobbling' in our daily
rotation, just the right proximity to the sun, just the right
percentages of certain elements on earth, etc... the book lists
all the rare circumstances.
I've thought about all those things many times -- and all that does is
strengthen my belief that a creator put all those rare, unique events
in place.
.... who knows. I've never said there isn't intelligent life
in the universe outside human knowledge. You might be worshipping
the core of the sun which turns out to be a large brain. It's not
very reverent, but I'd hate to see all your hopes for the 'almighty'
be dashed by cruel reality.
The emergence of life on earth is improbable yes, but definitely
NOT a mathematical impossibility. In fact, given enough time,
nothing is impossible. Given eternity, water will at some point
run uphill.
I've seen you say this before. On what basis do you believe water will,
at some point, run uphill?
You should stay away from that word 'believe' in everyday talk.
I don't 'believe' water will run uphill someday. Given enough time,
even unlikely events will happen. This is what all insurance people
know, and what the rest of us hope they are wrong about. Warren
Buffet, the smartest insurance analyst out there, says that a
nuclear attack on a major western city is not a question of 'if',
but of 'when'.
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| User: "Steven Douglas" |
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| Title: Re: Santa - Satan |
18 Dec 2006 11:36:12 PM |
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Perseid wrote:
After Much Chewing of Cud and Cogitation, "Steven Douglas"
<dsteven@flashmail.com> Spat the Words
Perseid wrote:
After Much Chewing of Cud and Cogitation, "Steven Douglas"
<dsteven@flashmail.com> Spat the Words
Perseid wrote:
After Much Chewing of Cud and Cogitation, "Steven Douglas"
<dsteven@flashmail.com> Spat the Words
Werewolfy wrote:
Steven Douglas wrote:
Just as a point of interest, how do you think life on earth
originated?
That's one of those 'good' questions, Steven.
I favour a chemical 'accident'...a concoction of just the right
acids
and elements, combined with just the right conditions to create a
soup
of bacteria. That bacteria evolved as per Darwin into many life
forms.
We are just one of them.
A human being is no different to any combination of elements
really.
We
happen to be Homo Sapiens by chance. Could easily be a bird, a
tree
or
even a stone.
When our individual existance finishes, we will be ...anything
eventually. A stone perhaps...just a collection of atomic
particles
arranged in a natural way.
Speculation...but it all seems valid enough to me. It is far more
persuasive than any Devine theory.
And, of course (and not surprisingly), I find Darwin's "warm soup"
theory to be far more incredibly unbelievable. It is far more easy
for
me to believe in a Supreme Being who created life than it is to
believe
we are the result of some chemical accident.
It is definitely far 'easier' to explain away physical phenomenon
by attributing them to supernatural forces, than it is to do the
hard work of science to determine fundamental causes.
So explain to me the the mathematical probability that life on earth
sprang forth from some "warm soup" (to quote Darwin). If I am
expected
to believe the scientifice explanation, I'd like to know if the
probability of life springing forth from "warm soup" is likely, or if
it is a (scientifically speaking) mathematical impossibilty?
Combinatorics and Probability were never my strong-suits,
but my humble opinion is that life emerging anywhere would
be a very low probability. I believe the ideas and postulates
put forth in the book 'The Rare Earth' to be accurate, that
is, life (intelligent life) emerging on earth was only possible
through a combination of rare, even unique, events, including
existance of gas giants in our solar system, a close orbiting
satellite (the moon) to keep us from 'wobbling' in our daily
rotation, just the right proximity to the sun, just the right
percentages of certain elements on earth, etc... the book lists
all the rare circumstances.
I've thought about all those things many times -- and all that does is
strengthen my belief that a creator put all those rare, unique events
in place.
... who knows. I've never said there isn't intelligent life
in the universe outside human knowledge. You might be worshipping
the core of the sun which turns out to be a large brain. It's not
very reverent, but I'd hate to see all your hopes for the 'almighty'
be dashed by cruel reality.
Not only have I never used the word "hopes" to describe my faith, I
have specifically said it I am not sitting here "hoping" God exists.
It's much more than that for me ...
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| User: "Perseid" |
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20 Dec 2006 02:10:28 AM |
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After Much Chewing of Cud and Cogitation, "Steven Douglas"
<dsteven@flashmail.com> Spat the Words
strengthen my belief that a creator put all those rare, unique events
in place.
... who knows. I've never said there isn't intelligent life
in the universe outside human knowledge. You might be worshipping
the core of the sun which turns out to be a large brain. It's not
very reverent, but I'd hate to see all your hopes for the 'almighty'
be dashed by cruel reality.
Not only have I never used the word "hopes" to describe my faith, I
have specifically said it I am not sitting here "hoping" God exists.
It's much more than that for me ...
Whatever makes you happy... A strong belief in an after-life has
always provided people serenity in a harsh physical existence, and
it also makes people very docile, easy to control and manipulate.
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| User: "Steven Douglas" |
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| Title: Re: Santa - Satan |
20 Dec 2006 08:25:11 AM |
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Perseid wrote:
After Much Chewing of Cud and Cogitation, "Steven Douglas"
<dsteven@flashmail.com> Spat the Words
strengthen my belief that a creator put all those rare, unique events
in place.
... who knows. I've never said there isn't intelligent life
in the universe outside human knowledge. You might be worshipping
the core of the sun which turns out to be a large brain. It's not
very reverent, but I'd hate to see all your hopes for the 'almighty'
be dashed by cruel reality.
Not only have I never used the word "hopes" to describe my faith, I
have specifically said it I am not sitting here "hoping" God exists.
It's much more than that for me ...
Whatever makes you happy... A strong belief in an after-life has
always provided people serenity in a harsh physical existence, and
it also makes people very docile, easy to control and manipulate.
It depends on how it is presented. For example, if someone living in
the Palestinian territories is told he will receive 72 virgins for
killing and maiming as many innocent people as he can, that would back
up your theory. For those of us who are taught to revere life, it would
make it more difficult to convince us that it is *righteous* to kill
and maim as many innocent people as possible.
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| User: "Perseid" |
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20 Dec 2006 03:05:12 PM |
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After Much Chewing of Cud and Cogitation, "Steven Douglas"
<dsteven@flashmail.com> Spat the Words
Perseid wrote:
After Much Chewing of Cud and Cogitation, "Steven Douglas"
<dsteven@flashmail.com> Spat the Words
strengthen my belief that a creator put all those rare, unique events
in place.
... who knows. I've never said there isn't intelligent life
in the universe outside human knowledge. You might be worshipping
the core of the sun which turns out to be a large brain. It's not
very reverent, but I'd hate to see all your hopes for the 'almighty'
be dashed by cruel reality.
Not only have I never used the word "hopes" to describe my faith, I
have specifically said it I am not sitting here "hoping" God exists.
It's much more than that for me ...
Whatever makes you happy... A strong belief in an after-life has
always provided people serenity in a harsh physical existence, and
it also makes people very docile, easy to control and manipulate.
It depends on how it is presented. For example, if someone living in
the Palestinian territories is told he will receive 72 virgins for
killing and maiming as many innocent people as he can, that would back
up your theory. For those of us who are taught to revere life, it would
make it more difficult to convince us that it is *righteous* to kill
and maim as many innocent people as possible.
.... but if you were told that your religion was under attack, and
you could see it all around you with your own eyes... the deaths,
constant killings, of other members of your faith... then you would
strap that bomb-pack on and walk to the marketplace with a purpose.
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| User: "Steven Douglas" |
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20 Dec 2006 08:09:50 PM |
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Perseid wrote:
After Much Chewing of Cud and Cogitation, "Steven Douglas"
<dsteven@flashmail.com> Spat the Words
Perseid wrote:
After Much Chewing of Cud and Cogitation, "Steven Douglas"
<dsteven@flashmail.com> Spat the Words
strengthen my belief that a creator put all those rare, unique events
in place.
... who knows. I've never said there isn't intelligent life
in the universe outside human knowledge. You might be worshipping
the core of the sun which turns out to be a large brain. It's not
very reverent, but I'd hate to see all your hopes for the 'almighty'
be dashed by cruel reality.
Not only have I never used the word "hopes" to describe my faith, I
have specifically said it I am not sitting here "hoping" God exists.
It's much more than that for me ...
Whatever makes you happy... A strong belief in an after-life has
always provided people serenity in a harsh physical existence, and
it also makes people very docile, easy to control and manipulate.
It depends on how it is presented. For example, if someone living in
the Palestinian territories is told he will receive 72 virgins for
killing and maiming as many innocent people as he can, that would back
up your theory. For those of us who are taught to revere life, it would
make it more difficult to convince us that it is *righteous* to kill
and maim as many innocent people as possible.
... but if you were told that your religion was under attack, and
you could see it all around you with your own eyes... the deaths,
constant killings, of other members of your faith... then you would
strap that bomb-pack on and walk to the marketplace with a purpose.
First of all, no I wouldn't. And secondly, as you well know, if the
Palestinians would stop walking into the marketplace with a purpose,
the Israelis would stop retaliating. I can't believe you're so
desperate to disagree with me that you're now taking the side of the
terrorists -- oh, that's right, you've been doing that with the
insurgency in Iraq for some time.
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| User: "Perseid" |
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| Title: Re: Santa - Satan |
21 Dec 2006 07:02:55 PM |
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After Much Chewing of Cud and Cogitation, "Steven Douglas"
<dsteven@flashmail.com> Spat the Words
Perseid wrote:
After Much Chewing of Cud and Cogitation, "Steven Douglas"
<dsteven@flashmail.com> Spat the Words
Perseid wrote:
After Much Chewing of Cud and Cogitation, "Steven Douglas"
<dsteven@flashmail.com> Spat the Words
strengthen my belief that a creator put all those rare, unique
events in place.
... who knows. I've never said there isn't intelligent life
in the universe outside human knowledge. You might be worshipping
the core of the sun which turns out to be a large brain. It's not
very reverent, but I'd hate to see all your hopes for the
'almighty' be dashed by cruel reality.
Not only have I never used the word "hopes" to describe my faith,
I have specifically said it I am not sitting here "hoping" God
exists. It's much more than that for me ...
Whatever makes you happy... A strong belief in an after-life has
always provided people serenity in a harsh physical existence, and
it also makes people very docile, easy to control and manipulate.
It depends on how it is presented. For example, if someone living in
the Palestinian territories is told he will receive 72 virgins for
killing and maiming as many innocent people as he can, that would
back up your theory. For those of us who are taught to revere life,
it would make it more difficult to convince us that it is *righteous*
to kill and maim as many innocent people as possible.
... but if you were told that your religion was under attack, and
you could see it all around you with your own eyes... the deaths,
constant killings, of other members of your faith... then you would
strap that bomb-pack on and walk to the marketplace with a purpose.
First of all, no I wouldn't.
Sure you would. Take your entire church group, let them keep
the clothes they're wearing and nothing more, round them up and
put them in a tent city surrounded by barbed wire, men with guns,
blackhawk helicopters shooting hellfire missiles, and F16's, then
don't allow them any opportunities and give them just enough to
survive... and if you dig a tunnel and escape to retaliate against
your oppressors, then you get branded a 'terrorist'.
And secondly, as you well know, if the
Palestinians would stop walking into the marketplace with a purpose,
the Israelis would stop retaliating. I can't believe you're so
desperate to disagree with me that you're now taking the side of the
terrorists -- oh, that's right, you've been doing that with the
insurgency in Iraq for some time.
You must have a pretty weak argument if it can't stand up to
a minor bit of disagreement.
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| User: "Steven Douglas" |
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| Title: Re: Santa - Satan |
21 Dec 2006 10:22:48 PM |
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Perseid wrote:
After Much Chewing of Cud and Cogitation, "Steven Douglas"
<dsteven@flashmail.com> Spat the Words
Perseid wrote:
After Much Chewing of Cud and Cogitation, "Steven Douglas"
<dsteven@flashmail.com> Spat the Words
Perseid wrote:
After Much Chewing of Cud and Cogitation, "Steven Douglas"
<dsteven@flashmail.com> Spat the Words
strengthen my belief that a creator put all those rare, unique
events in place.
... who knows. I've never said there isn't intelligent life
in the universe outside human knowledge. You might be worshipping
the core of the sun which turns out to be a large brain. It's not
very reverent, but I'd hate to see all your hopes for the
'almighty' be dashed by cruel reality.
Not only have I never used the word "hopes" to describe my faith,
I have specifically said it I am not sitting here "hoping" God
exists. It's much more than that for me ...
Whatever makes you happy... A strong belief in an after-life has
always provided people serenity in a harsh physical existence, and
it also makes people very docile, easy to control and manipulate.
It depends on how it is presented. For example, if someone living in
the Palestinian territories is told he will receive 72 virgins for
killing and maiming as many innocent people as he can, that would
back up your theory. For those of us who are taught to revere life,
it would make it more difficult to convince us that it is *righteous*
to kill and maim as many innocent people as possible.
... but if you were told that your religion was under attack, and
you could see it all around you with your own eyes... the deaths,
constant killings, of other members of your faith... then you would
strap that bomb-pack on and walk to the marketplace with a purpose.
First of all, no I wouldn't.
Sure you would.
No, I wouldn't.
Take your entire church group,
There is nothing in my religious background that has taught me it is
okay to murder innocent people for any reason.
let them keep
the clothes they're wearing and nothing more, round them up and
put them in a tent city surrounded by barbed wire, men with guns,
blackhawk helicopters shooting hellfire missiles, and F16's, then
don't allow them any opportunities and give them just enough to
survive...
Who are you talking about? The Palestinians? If so, haven't you ever
wondered why the surrounding Arab nations never did anything to help
those people get out of those refugee camps? And ever since 1993, the
Palestinian Authority has had the opportunity to do a lot more for
those people than has been done. The UN has given the PA a lot of
money. Where did it all go?
and if you dig a tunnel and escape to retaliate against
your oppressors, then you get branded a 'terrorist'.
A terrorist is someone who purposely targets, and tries to murder or
main, as many innocent civilians as possible. But now that you've
confirmed you're on the side of the terrorists all the way, your
metamorphosis is complete. Congratulations.
And secondly, as you well know, if the
Palestinians would stop walking into the marketplace with a purpose,
the Israelis would stop retaliating. I can't believe you're so
desperate to disagree with me that you're now taking the side of the
terrorists -- oh, that's right, you've been doing that with the
insurgency in Iraq for some time.
You must have a pretty weak argument if it can't stand up to
a minor bit of disagreement.
My paragraph above has nothing to do with whether or not my argument is
weak -- it's about you becoming a supporter of terrorism.
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| User: "Perseid" |
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| Title: Re: Santa - Satan |
22 Dec 2006 02:38:05 AM |
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After Much Chewing of Cud and Cogitation, "Steven Douglas"
<dsteven@flashmail.com> Spat the Words
Perseid wrote:
After Much Chewing of Cud and Cogitation, "Steven Douglas"
<dsteven@flashmail.com> Spat the Words
Perseid wrote:
After Much Chewing of Cud and Cogitation, "Steven Douglas"
<dsteven@flashmail.com> Spat the Words
Perseid wrote:
After Much Chewing of Cud and Cogitation, "Steven Douglas"
<dsteven@flashmail.com> Spat the Words
strengthen my belief that a creator put all those rare,
unique
events in place.
... who knows. I've never said there isn't intelligent life
in the universe outside human knowledge. You might be
worshipping
the core of the sun which turns out to be a large brain. It's
not
very reverent, but I'd hate to see all your hopes for the
'almighty' be dashed by cruel reality.
Not only have I never used the word "hopes" to describe my
faith,
I have specifically said it I am not sitting here "hoping" God
exists. It's much more than that for me ...
Whatever makes you happy... A strong belief in an after-life has
always provided people serenity in a harsh physical existence,
and
it also makes people very docile, easy to control and manipulate.
It depends on how it is presented. For example, if someone living
in
the Palestinian territories is told he will receive 72 virgins for
killing and maiming as many innocent people as he can, that would
back up your theory. For those of us who are taught to revere
life,
it would make it more difficult to convince us that it is
*righteous*
to kill and maim as many innocent people as possible.
... but if you were told that your religion was under attack, and
you could see it all around you with your own eyes... the deaths,
constant killings, of other members of your faith... then you would
strap that bomb-pack on and walk to the marketplace with a purpose.
First of all, no I wouldn't.
Sure you would.
No, I wouldn't.
Take your entire church group,
There is nothing in my religious background that has taught me it is
okay to murder innocent people for any reason.
Yet the fringe religious right has no problem supporting Bush's
campaign of terror against muslims. Remember, in his own words,
he said he wants all the bloodshed to happen over there... this
is why he invaded Iraq without any provocation from Saddam.
You consider yourself a religious man, yes ? You support a war
fought in Iraq.. a war started without any provocation from
Saddam, yes ? The conclusion here is that your very religious
background has taught you that it is okay to murder innocent
people (for the right, twisted, reasons).
let them keep
the clothes they're wearing and nothing more, round them up and
put them in a tent city surrounded by barbed wire, men with guns,
blackhawk helicopters shooting hellfire missiles, and F16's, then
don't allow them any opportunities and give them just enough to
survive...
Who are you talking about? The Palestinians? If so, haven't you ever
wondered why the surrounding Arab nations never did anything to help
those people get out of those refugee camps? And ever since 1993, the
Palestinian Authority has had the opportunity to do a lot more for
those people than has been done. The UN has given the PA a lot of
money. Where did it all go?
and if you dig a tunnel and escape to retaliate against
your oppressors, then you get branded a 'terrorist'.
A terrorist is someone who purposely targets, and tries to murder or
main, as many innocent civilians as possible.
You think that's the definition of terrorist ? I'd say your
definition is a little narrow. You should include the terror
of having a foreign military occupy your country, and having
foreign soldiers potentially raping your daughter.
You see the news today about US Marines guilty of mass murder
of Iraqi civilians in Haditha ? Apparently the seargent told
his men to shoot first and ask questions later.
But now that you've
confirmed you're on the side of the terrorists all the way, your
metamorphosis is complete. Congratulations.
And secondly, as you well know, if the
Palestinians would stop walking into the marketplace with a purpose,
the Israelis would stop retaliating. I can't believe you're so
desperate to disagree with me that you're now taking the side of the
terrorists -- oh, that's right, you've been doing that with the
insurgency in Iraq for some time.
You must have a pretty weak argument if it can't stand up to
a minor bit of disagreement.
My paragraph above has nothing to do with whether or not my argument is
weak -- it's about you becoming a supporter of terrorism.
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Perseid wrote:
After Much Chewing of Cud and Cogitation, "Steven Douglas"
<dsteven@flashmail.com> Spat the Words
Perseid wrote:
After Much Chewing of Cud and Cogitation, "Steven Douglas"
<dsteven@flashmail.com> Spat the Words
Perseid wrote:
After Much Chewing of Cud and Cogitation, "Steven Douglas"
<dsteven@flashmail.com> Spat the Words
Perseid wrote:
After Much Chewing of Cud and Cogitation, "Steven Douglas"
<dsteven@flashmail.com> Spat the Words
strengthen my belief that a creator put all those rare,
unique
events in place.
... who knows. I've never said there isn't intelligent life
in the universe outside human knowledge. You might be
worshipping
the core of the sun which turns out to be a large brain. It's
not
very reverent, but I'd hate to see all your hopes for the
'almighty' be dashed by cruel reality.
Not only have I never used the word "hopes" to describe my
faith,
I have specifically said it I am not sitting here "hoping" God
exists. It's much more than that for me ...
Whatever makes you happy... A strong belief in an after-life has
always provided people serenity in a harsh physical existence,
and
it also makes people very docile, easy to control and manipulate.
It depends on how it is presented. For example, if someone living
in
the Palestinian territories is told he will receive 72 virgins for
killing and maiming as many innocent people as he can, that would
back up your theory. For those of us who are taught to revere
life,
it would make it more difficult to convince us that it is
*righteous*
to kill and maim as many innocent people as possible.
... but if you were told that your religion was under attack, and
you could see it all around you with your own eyes... the deaths,
constant killings, of other members of your faith... then you would
strap that bomb-pack on and walk to the marketplace with a purpose.
First of all, no I wouldn't.
Sure you would.
No, I wouldn't.
Take your entire church group,
There is nothing in my religious background that has taught me it is
okay to murder innocent people for any reason.
Yet the fringe religious right has no problem supporting Bush's
campaign of terror against muslims. Remember, in his own words,
he said he wants all the bloodshed to happen over there... this
is why he invaded Iraq without any provocation from Saddam.
You consider yourself a religious man, yes ? You support a war
fought in Iraq.. a war started without any provocation from
Saddam, yes ?
As I've documented repeatedly, Saddam continued to behave as if he had
WMD when confronted with the UN inspectors -- and he did not cooperate
with the inspectors. And by the way, since you seem to support
Clinton's bombing of Belgrade, exactly what was the provocation from
Milosevic?
The conclusion here is that your very religious
background has taught you that it is okay to murder innocent
people (for the right, twisted, reasons).
Wrong, you hypocrite.
let them keep
the clothes they're wearing and nothing more, round them up and
put them in a tent city surrounded by barbed wire, men with guns,
blackhawk helicopters shooting hellfire missiles, and F16's, then
don't allow them any opportunities and give them just enough to
survive...
Who are you talking about? The Palestinians? If so, haven't you ever
wondered why the surrounding Arab nations never did anything to help
those people get out of those refugee camps? And ever since 1993, the
Palestinian Authority has had the opportunity to do a lot more for
those people than has been done. The UN has given the PA a lot of
money. Where did it all go?
and if you dig a tunnel and escape to retaliate against
your oppressors, then you get branded a 'terrorist'.
A terrorist is someone who purposely targets, and tries to murder or
main, as many innocent civilians as possible.
You think that's the definition of terrorist ? I'd say your
definition is a little narrow. You should include the terror
of having a foreign military occupy your country, and having
foreign soldiers potentially raping your daughter.
Is that the policy of the US military?
You see the news today about US Marines guilty of mass murder
of Iraqi civilians in Haditha ? Apparently the seargent told
his men to shoot first and ask questions later.
What happens to US military people who engage in criminal behavior?
But now that you've
confirmed you're on the side of the terrorists all the way, your
metamorphosis is complete. Congratulations.
And secondly, as you well know, if the
Palestinians would stop walking into the marketplace with a purpose,
the Israelis would stop retaliating. I can't believe you're so
desperate to disagree with me that you're now taking the side of the
terrorists -- oh, that's right, you've been doing that with the
insurgency in Iraq for some time.
You must have a pretty weak argument if it can't stand up to
a minor bit of disagreement.
My paragraph above has nothing to do with whether or not my argument is
weak -- it's about you becoming a supporter of terrorism.
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