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On Mon, 29 Dec 2003 23:51:13 GMT, "R. Foreman"
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abookoflife@yahoo.com (Michael Johnathan McDonald) Spat the
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I'm grateful I do not live in that type of world.

The morality police, that's new. That's like Big Brother in
Orwell's 1984. And these terrorist sympathizers think the US
people are being controlled by their gov't.

In the US they call it something else, someone else's agenda,
120,000 federal laws on the books. About 10 layers of
military, paramilitary, pseudo-military and various secret
agencies, to more or less do the same thing, but in a secular
nation.

End result, is still no freedom.

Wrong again sisterboy. As a woman I can walk downtown in a
mini-skirt and
heels and announce at each corner "there is no God but______"
and change

the

name in the blank at each block, then stop into a super
wal-mart and pick

up

whatever holiday supplies I want, for whatever holiday I choose
(while cursing the latest political party if I wish) using
credit debit or cash. Nor is any man or woman allowed to beat
me for it in private or public without paying a steep price in
court. It's the laws you mention that

allow

me to do it, and keep me from stopping another from doing the
same thing, male or female, without consequence.

Yes ain't it just great:
Women in the USA are 11 times more likely than men to suffer as
victims of domestic violence (Justice Dept statistics)
One out of four women in the US is severly beaten during the
course of her marriage. In any one year, nearly six million
wives will be abused by their husbands. (Time Magazine 5/9/83)
Each year in the USA between 2000-4000 women are beaten to death
(Time Magazine 5/9/83).
In the USA 63% - 84% of men who attempt to win custody succeed -
even when there is a history of domestic violence. (1993 study:
National Center Protective Parents)
97% of serious assualts between adults in the home in the USA
are directed against women (National Coalition Against Domestic
Violence statistics) Every 15 seconds a Women is battered in the
USA (FBI statistics) Experts warn that that the two actions most
likely to trigger deadly assault are moving out of a shared
residence and beginning another relationship. (Time magazine
7/4/94)

The US does have high rates of individual violence (as do most
western free countries). The alternative to this appears to be
state sponsored violence a la hussein's iraq or hitler's germany.

You can't punish people for crimes they might commit, but haven't
yet committed. This is why we're a free society.

No of course not...but I was commenting on the last poster,
(Annel). Laws or no laws she is not "free" to do as she likes. It
all depends on her surroundings, the people around her and their
idea of "freedom". She mentioned
"morality" police in Saudi. No different really than a jealous
boyfriend or husband
who doesn't like the idea of that mini-skirt and heels she
mentioned and kicks the
***** out of her or worse for walking down the street flaunting it,
(all the laws in the world
are not worth a ***** to you after you're dead). Or some nationalist
idiot who kicks the
***** out of her if she says she dislikes dubya. No different
either than if she wandered
down the street in her mini-skirt and heels shouting "Allah Akbar"
and got hauled off by
the American version of the "morality police" for questioning about
her "connections" to al qaida.

I'm sure the free (non-gov't owned) press corps would be very
interested in stories of people being hauled off by US agents
for questioning.

Tell that to the 1000+ Arabs who were hauled off after 911 for no
other reason than that they had opinions or simply are Arabs. Quite
a few of who are still sitting in captivity somewhere wondering what
the hell happened.

And then there are the 10's of thousands of arabs who still
live peacefully in the US.

Speaking your mind is not a crime in this
country but physical abuse is a crime (its called assault).

Speaking your mind is not a crime no...that must be the reason you
don't get a trial then is it?

Since 911 the American justice system has turned upside down. Whether
it's a govt. ploy to "control" the masses or not I'll leave up to the
conspiracy
theorists. But something has definately happened there's no doubt
about that.

Yeah, lots more security.

Even in this climate where the arabs are the 'bad guys' we
still don't allow americans to run around attacking arabs.
We go after people who do that and prosecute them.

Whether you "let" them or not is irrellevant. That's the point I was
making. As I said, laws are no use to the victim *after* the crime is
committed.

If we arrest people before they've committed any crime then
we're no longer a free society. The threat of incarceration
or execution is the deterrent to the perpetrators. No doubt
about it, lots of crime gets committed everywhere, but many
crimes get solved. It's very difficult to commit the perfect
crime and elude the police.

The morality police exists in Saudi because there is a
group of people who agree with it, domestic violence in the US, (and
elsewhere), exists because a group of people agree with it. The
mentality is no different. Govt. sanctioned or not...the victim,
whether they be in Saudi or the west, does not have access to any of
those precious freedoms bestowed on them from any bill of rights or
any constitution.

The "freedoms" that Americans claim to have, (you seem to think that
you have more than the rest of the western world for some reason
that's why I said
Americans), are all just words on paper.

Why would you think Americans have more freedoms than other
free countries?

Real freedom comes from your
immediate surroundings and the attitudes that you face in your daily
life. A very
good example is the Dixie Chicks and their comments about dubya.
Banned from radio stations across the US. That was their opinion that
they voiced. That was
an opinion that is "guaranteed" by the bill of rights...or whatever.

And they were not arrested for voicing their opinion. They
continue to be successful in their work, and GW Bush can go
crawl back under momma's bed if he doesn't like being criticized.

WH