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User: "sonya"
Date: 01 Apr 2004 09:42:54 AM
Object: Secret bunkers held chemical weapons, says Iraqi exile
http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/03/31/1080544556813.html?from=storyrhs
April 1, 2004
A scientist describes Saddam's weapons and stealth technology
programs, reports Russell Skelton.
For seven years, before he was tortured and sentenced to death, Rashid
(not his real name) worked at the top of Iraq's scientific
establishment. He says he regularly met Saddam Hussein and his cousin
and strongman deputy prime minister Abdul Tawab Huweish. After the
Gulf War he was put in charge of a taskforce code named "Al Babel" to
develop stealth technology to make aircraft and missiles undetectable
on radar.
Rashid, who now lives in Melbourne, also claims to have had access as
a trusted insider to secret underground bunkers where chemical weapons
were stored. "Saddam gave me access to everything, he was so desperate
to perfect the stealth technology," he says.
Now Rashid's great fear is that Saddam loyalists still active in
postwar Iraq may get to the chemicals and weapons he saw hidden away
before fleeing for his life.
"If those weapons still exist, the worry is that they will be used
against the Iraqi people, the US forces or even sold off to al-Qaeda.
Maybe those weapons no longer exist, but I find it hard to believe
they could disappear so easily," he says.
Rashid's days of working at the top came to an abrupt end in 1998 when
he was arrested with a group of other scientists and army officers on
charges of plotting to remove Saddam. He was taken to a high-security
jail in the centre of Baghdad, run by the Mukhabarat (secret police),
where he was tortured for three weeks, suffering severe spinal
injuries.
Rashid was then transferred to the Abu Ghraib jail outside Baghdad for
execution. "Each morning prisoners were executed. Some were shot and
some were hung. I could see the executions from my cell window. You
lived in a constant state of terror because you never knew who was
next."
Rashid says he escaped when a high-ranking military officer and close
friend bribed the guards to swap his file with that of an executed
prisoner. "On visiting day I just walked out. Everything had been
arranged; I had false travel documents that got me and my family
across the border to Syria," he says.
Rashid's problems did not end there. The Iraqi secret police came
looking for him at Damascus University where he taught physics part
time, and he fled to Melbourne on an Emirates flight. He says he left
his wife and family behind because the family had money to buy only a
single ticket and at that stage he was the one whose life was in
immediate danger.
Rashid has told The Age he knows of five secret storage bunkers around
Baghdad, Basra and Tikrit, three of which he visited regularly as a
top scientist and senior employee of Iraq's now defunct Atomic Energy
Commission.
One, he says, was under an island in the Tigris River near Saddam
University. Another was beneath the house of one of Saddam's cousins,
and reached by a tunnel with a hidden entrance 800 metres away.
He described the bunkers as being built 15 metres underground, of
reinforced concrete, and multi-storeyed. "Between these layers, pipes
would rise up, through the building above to provide access for
ventilation.
"The lethal chemicals were stored in drums and the bunkers were
air-conditioned. But there were also artillery shells and
122-millimetre rockets armed with chemicals."
He says the sites had been built using foreign construction companies,
including a company from China, and that nobody was allowed to
approach without authorisation and extensive ID checks by the Special
Republican Guard.
Rashid says meeting Saddam was always a bizarre experience. "Suddenly
his people would appear unannounced. They would take you to a location
and examine you carefully: mouth, hands, eyes and ears. Then you would
be taken to another place and checked again. This could happen up to
three times. Finally he would come into the room."
Rashid says Saddam was moody but was always on top of what was
discussed, and read all scientific reports sent to him. "Nothing ever
happened unless he approved it. That included the purchase of special
equipment, sending people overseas to be trained. If you told him a
project would take six months to complete, he would want it in four
months."
After arriving in Australia, Rashid was issued with a temporary
protection visa.
Even though Rashid's wife and four children have been processed and
found to be refugees by the UNHCR in Syria, they remain stranded
there. Australia's immigration laws prevent TPV holders access to
family reunion and they have not been issued with a visa.
Although Rashid is known to authorities in Australia, he asked that
his real name not be published, to protect him and his family from
Saddam loyalists still active in Iraqi communities in and outside
Australia.
"It's still too dangerous for us to speak out; I don't know who to
trust. There are former army officers living in Australia who were
close to Saddam," he says.
.

User: "eric"

Title: Re: Secret bunkers held chemical weapons, says Iraqi exile 01 Apr 2004 01:18:50 PM
Its those Iraqi exiles who lied to us in the first place. Just the fact
that this stuff can still get posts shows you can fool some of the people,
ALL of the Time. Usually, people who want to be fooled.
eric.
"sonya" <tandym@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:7bf6888e.0404010742.1d7dca26@posting.google.com...


http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/03/31/1080544556813.html?from=storyrh
s


April 1, 2004

A scientist describes Saddam's weapons and stealth technology
programs, reports Russell Skelton.

For seven years, before he was tortured and sentenced to death, Rashid
(not his real name) worked at the top of Iraq's scientific
establishment. He says he regularly met Saddam Hussein and his cousin
and strongman deputy prime minister Abdul Tawab Huweish. After the
Gulf War he was put in charge of a taskforce code named "Al Babel" to
develop stealth technology to make aircraft and missiles undetectable
on radar.

Rashid, who now lives in Melbourne, also claims to have had access as
a trusted insider to secret underground bunkers where chemical weapons
were stored. "Saddam gave me access to everything, he was so desperate
to perfect the stealth technology," he says.

Now Rashid's great fear is that Saddam loyalists still active in
postwar Iraq may get to the chemicals and weapons he saw hidden away
before fleeing for his life.

"If those weapons still exist, the worry is that they will be used
against the Iraqi people, the US forces or even sold off to al-Qaeda.
Maybe those weapons no longer exist, but I find it hard to believe
they could disappear so easily," he says.

Rashid's days of working at the top came to an abrupt end in 1998 when
he was arrested with a group of other scientists and army officers on
charges of plotting to remove Saddam. He was taken to a high-security
jail in the centre of Baghdad, run by the Mukhabarat (secret police),
where he was tortured for three weeks, suffering severe spinal
injuries.

Rashid was then transferred to the Abu Ghraib jail outside Baghdad for
execution. "Each morning prisoners were executed. Some were shot and
some were hung. I could see the executions from my cell window. You
lived in a constant state of terror because you never knew who was
next."

Rashid says he escaped when a high-ranking military officer and close
friend bribed the guards to swap his file with that of an executed
prisoner. "On visiting day I just walked out. Everything had been
arranged; I had false travel documents that got me and my family
across the border to Syria," he says.

Rashid's problems did not end there. The Iraqi secret police came
looking for him at Damascus University where he taught physics part
time, and he fled to Melbourne on an Emirates flight. He says he left
his wife and family behind because the family had money to buy only a
single ticket and at that stage he was the one whose life was in
immediate danger.

Rashid has told The Age he knows of five secret storage bunkers around
Baghdad, Basra and Tikrit, three of which he visited regularly as a
top scientist and senior employee of Iraq's now defunct Atomic Energy
Commission.

One, he says, was under an island in the Tigris River near Saddam
University. Another was beneath the house of one of Saddam's cousins,
and reached by a tunnel with a hidden entrance 800 metres away.

He described the bunkers as being built 15 metres underground, of
reinforced concrete, and multi-storeyed. "Between these layers, pipes
would rise up, through the building above to provide access for
ventilation.

"The lethal chemicals were stored in drums and the bunkers were
air-conditioned. But there were also artillery shells and
122-millimetre rockets armed with chemicals."

He says the sites had been built using foreign construction companies,
including a company from China, and that nobody was allowed to
approach without authorisation and extensive ID checks by the Special
Republican Guard.

Rashid says meeting Saddam was always a bizarre experience. "Suddenly
his people would appear unannounced. They would take you to a location
and examine you carefully: mouth, hands, eyes and ears. Then you would
be taken to another place and checked again. This could happen up to
three times. Finally he would come into the room."

Rashid says Saddam was moody but was always on top of what was
discussed, and read all scientific reports sent to him. "Nothing ever
happened unless he approved it. That included the purchase of special
equipment, sending people overseas to be trained. If you told him a
project would take six months to complete, he would want it in four
months."

After arriving in Australia, Rashid was issued with a temporary
protection visa.

Even though Rashid's wife and four children have been processed and
found to be refugees by the UNHCR in Syria, they remain stranded
there. Australia's immigration laws prevent TPV holders access to
family reunion and they have not been issued with a visa.

Although Rashid is known to authorities in Australia, he asked that
his real name not be published, to protect him and his family from
Saddam loyalists still active in Iraqi communities in and outside
Australia.

"It's still too dangerous for us to speak out; I don't know who to
trust. There are former army officers living in Australia who were
close to Saddam," he says.

.
User: "TonyZ2001"

Title: Re: Secret bunkers held chemical weapons, says Iraqi exile 03 Apr 2004 06:10:41 AM

"eric"


wrote:

Its those Iraqi exiles who lied to us in the >first place.

Wrong.
This is a man who was held in Saddam's prisions and tortured, he has nothing to
gain now by lying.
Tony
.
User: "Woodswun"

Title: Re: Secret bunkers held chemical weapons, says Iraqi exile 03 Apr 2004 12:27:43 PM
In article <20040403071041.16022.00000464@mb-m23.aol.com>,
(TonyZ2001) wrote:

"eric"


wrote:

Its those Iraqi exiles who lied to us in the >first place.


Wrong.

This is a man who was held in Saddam's prisions and tortured, he has nothing to
gain now by lying.

Free passports and passage for the rest of his family to Australia, if he gets
enough sympathy and attention.
Woods
.
User: "TonyZ2001"

Title: Re: Secret bunkers held chemical weapons, says Iraqi exile 04 Apr 2004 01:27:18 AM

woodswun@tepidmail.com

wrote:

tonyz2001@aol.com (TonyZ2001) wrote:

"eric"


wrote:

Its those Iraqi exiles who lied to us in the >first place.


Wrong.

This is a man who was held in >>Saddam's prisions and tortured, he has
nothing to gain now by lying.

Free passports and passage for the rest >of his family to Australia, if he

gets

enough sympathy and attention.
Woods

First of all, don't you think that a man who suffered in Saddam's prisions
deserves some sympathy?
Secondly, he will get nothing if he is found to be lying.
Tony
.
User: "jha_amin"

Title: Re: Secret bunkers held chemical weapons, says Iraqi exile 04 Apr 2004 08:38:00 AM
(TonyZ2001) wrote in message news:<20040404032718.09410.00000512@mb-m24.aol.com>...

woodswun@tepidmail.com

wrote:

(TonyZ2001) wrote:

"eric"


wrote:

Its those Iraqi exiles who lied to us in the >first place.


Wrong.

This is a man who was held in >>Saddam's prisions and tortured, he has
nothing to gain now by lying.


Free passports and passage for the rest >of his family to Australia, if he

gets

enough sympathy and attention.


Woods


First of all, don't you think that a man who suffered in Saddam's prisions
deserves some sympathy?

Secondly, he will get nothing if he is found to be lying.

Tony

He will get nothing if he does not reveal what the questioners "want" to hear.
.

User: "Werewolfy"

Title: Re: Secret bunkers held chemical weapons, says Iraqi exile 04 Apr 2004 11:00:31 AM
(TonyZ2001) wrote in message news:<20040404032718.09410.00000512@mb-m24.aol.com>...
================================================================================
"secret underground bunkers where chemical weapons were stored."
As against 'public underground bumkers where chemical weapons were stored?'
Very emotive things are words. Very emotive.
Werewolfy
.

User: "Woodswun"

Title: Re: Secret bunkers held chemical weapons, says Iraqi exile 04 Apr 2004 08:21:12 AM
In article <20040404032718.09410.00000512@mb-m24.aol.com>,
(TonyZ2001) wrote:

woodswun@tepidmail.com

wrote:

(TonyZ2001) wrote:

"eric"


wrote:

Its those Iraqi exiles who lied to us in the >first place.


Wrong.

This is a man who was held in >>Saddam's prisions and tortured, he has
nothing to gain now by lying.


Free passports and passage for the rest >of his family to Australia, if he

gets

enough sympathy and attention.


Woods


First of all, don't you think that a man who suffered in Saddam's prisions
deserves some sympathy?

Well, certainly - doesn't that go without saying?

Secondly, he will get nothing if he is found to be lying.

If he is found to be lying after the fact (ie - after his family is already in
Australia), he would still have gotten what he wanted. (Again, we don't know
this to be the case, but was merely pointing out that there could be a benefit
to making something like this up).
Logically, one would assume that if he'd seen what was in the secret bunkers,
he'd know where they are and the Coalition forces would have gone to them nearly
a year ago, and would very likely have found *something*, if even a couple of
dust particles of bio/chem weapons.
Woods
.




User: "sonya"

Title: Re: Secret bunkers held chemical weapons, says Iraqi exile 04 Apr 2004 09:53:39 PM
hey guy,
I didn't say I believed it; I only posted it. It's kinda fun to see
die-hard omni-skeptics like yourself get all belligerent.
Sonya
"eric" <ericdavis500@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<AiXac.63813$1A6.1658171@news20.bellglobal.com>...

Its those Iraqi exiles who lied to us in the first place. Just the fact
that this stuff can still get posts shows you can fool some of the people,
ALL of the Time. Usually, people who want to be fooled.

eric.

"sonya" <tandym@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:7bf6888e.0404010742.1d7dca26@posting.google.com...

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