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"Marvin The Paranoid Android" |
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16 Nov 2006 07:44:26 AM |
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Sectarian Strife in Iraq Imperils Entire Region, Analysts Warn |
If Iraq descends into chaos and neighboring Arab states start fighting
amongst themselves over it's dead carcass (and oil), who benefits?
Israel it would seem since these states would be expending military
resources against one another.
Maybe this was the goal all along? Who knows. Either way it looks as if
this firestorm is just warming up.
Cheers!
-- Marvie
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Sectarian Strife in Iraq Imperils Entire Region, Analysts Warn
By Ellen Knickmeyer
Washington Post Foreign Service
Thursday, November 16, 2006; A01
BAGHDAD -- While American commanders have suggested that civil war is
possible in Iraq, many leaders, experts and ordinary people in Baghdad
and around the Middle East say it is already underway, and that the
real worry ahead is that the conflict will destroy the flimsy Iraqi
state and draw in surrounding countries.
Whether the U.S. military departs Iraq sooner or later, the United
States will be hard-pressed to leave behind a country that does not
threaten U.S. interests and regional peace, according to U.S. and Arab
analysts and political observers.
"We're not talking about just a full-scale civil war. This would be a
failed-state situation with fighting among various groups," growing
into regional conflict, Joost Hiltermann, Middle East project director
for the International Crisis Group, said by telephone from Amman,
Jordan.
"The war will be over Iraq, over its dead body," Hiltermann said.
"All indications point to a current state of civil war and the
disintegration of the Iraqi state," Nawaf Obaid, an adjunct fellow at
the Center for Strategic and International Studies and an adviser to
the Saudi government, said last week at a conference in Washington on
U.S.-Arab relations.
As Iraq's neighbors grapple with the various ideas put forward for
solving the country's problems, they uniformly shudder at one proposal:
dividing Iraq into separate regions for Sunnis, Shiites and Kurds, and
then speeding the withdrawal of U.S. forces.
"To envision that you can divide Iraq into three parts is to envision
ethnic cleansing on a massive scale, sectarian killing on a massive
scale," Prince Turki al-Faisal, the Saudi ambassador to the United
States, said Oct. 30 at a conference in Washington. "Since America came
into Iraq uninvited, it should not leave Iraq uninvited."
"When the ethnic-religious break occurs in one country, it will not
fail to occur elsewhere, too," Syrian President Bashar al-Assad told
Germany's Der Spiegel newsweekly recently. "It would be as it was at
the end of the Soviet Union, only much worse. Large wars, small wars --
no one will be able to get a grip on the consequences."
In an analysis published last month by the Center for Strategic and
International Studies, Obaid said sectarian conflicts could make Iraq a
battleground for the region.
Obaid described widespread interference by Iranian security forces
within Iraq. He urged Saudi Arabia, which is building a 560-mile wall
on its border with Iraq, to warn Iran "that if these activities are not
checked," Saudi Arabia "will be forced to consider a similar overt and
covert program of its own."
In Damascus, a Syrian analyst close to the Assad government warned that
other countries would intervene if Iraq descended into full-scale civil
war. "Iran will get involved, Turkey will get involved, Saudi Arabia,
Syria," said the analyst, who spoke on condition he not be identified
further.
Article Cont'd Here --
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/11/15/AR2006111501490.html
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18 Nov 2006 05:41:35 AM |
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Marvin The Paranoid Android wrote:
If Iraq descends into chaos and neighboring Arab states start fighting
amongst themselves over it's dead carcass (and oil), who benefits?
Israel it would seem since these states would be expending military
resources against one another.
Maybe this was the goal all along? Who knows. Either way it looks as if
this firestorm is just warming up.
Cheers!
-- Marvie
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Sectarian Strife in Iraq Imperils Entire Region, Analysts Warn
By Ellen Knickmeyer
Washington Post Foreign Service
Thursday, November 16, 2006; A01
BAGHDAD -- While American commanders have suggested that civil war is
possible in Iraq, many leaders, experts and ordinary people in Baghdad
and around the Middle East say it is already underway, and that the
real worry ahead is that the conflict will destroy the flimsy Iraqi
state and draw in surrounding countries.
Whether the U.S. military departs Iraq sooner or later, the United
States will be hard-pressed to leave behind a country that does not
threaten U.S. interests and regional peace, according to U.S. and Arab
analysts and political observers.
"We're not talking about just a full-scale civil war. This would be a
failed-state situation with fighting among various groups," growing
into regional conflict, Joost Hiltermann, Middle East project director
for the International Crisis Group, said by telephone from Amman,
Jordan.
"The war will be over Iraq, over its dead body," Hiltermann said.
"All indications point to a current state of civil war and the
disintegration of the Iraqi state," Nawaf Obaid, an adjunct fellow at
the Center for Strategic and International Studies and an adviser to
the Saudi government, said last week at a conference in Washington on
U.S.-Arab relations.
As Iraq's neighbors grapple with the various ideas put forward for
solving the country's problems, they uniformly shudder at one proposal:
dividing Iraq into separate regions for Sunnis, Shiites and Kurds, and
then speeding the withdrawal of U.S. forces.
"To envision that you can divide Iraq into three parts is to envision
ethnic cleansing on a massive scale, sectarian killing on a massive
scale," Prince Turki al-Faisal, the Saudi ambassador to the United
States, said Oct. 30 at a conference in Washington. "Since America came
into Iraq uninvited, it should not leave Iraq uninvited."
"When the ethnic-religious break occurs in one country, it will not
fail to occur elsewhere, too," Syrian President Bashar al-Assad told
Germany's Der Spiegel newsweekly recently. "It would be as it was at
the end of the Soviet Union, only much worse. Large wars, small wars --
no one will be able to get a grip on the consequences."
In an analysis published last month by the Center for Strategic and
International Studies, Obaid said sectarian conflicts could make Iraq a
battleground for the region.
Obaid described widespread interference by Iranian security forces
within Iraq. He urged Saudi Arabia, which is building a 560-mile wall
on its border with Iraq, to warn Iran "that if these activities are not
checked," Saudi Arabia "will be forced to consider a similar overt and
covert program of its own."
In Damascus, a Syrian analyst close to the Assad government warned that
other countries would intervene if Iraq descended into full-scale civil
war. "Iran will get involved, Turkey will get involved, Saudi Arabia,
Syria," said the analyst, who spoke on condition he not be identified
further.
Turkey has said repeatedly that it will not permit a Kurdish
nation-state on its eastern border.
It's easy to imagine Syria and Iran captilizing on the ensuing chaos to
widen their (mutual) influence in the region, and of course secure some
part of the oil reserves there.
We could be on the verge on what Brent Scowcroft had warned Junior
about before he preemptively struck Iraq -- a Mideast "cauldron."
Dr. Psycho
Article Cont'd Here --
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/11/15/AR2006111501490.html
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| User: "Marvin The Paranoid Android" |
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18 Nov 2006 11:13:27 AM |
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Turkey has said repeatedly that it will not permit a Kurdish
nation-state on its eastern border.
It's easy to imagine Syria and Iran captilizing on the ensuing chaos to
widen their (mutual) influence in the region, and of course secure some
part of the oil reserves there.
We could be on the verge on what Brent Scowcroft had warned Junior
about before he preemptively struck Iraq -- a Mideast "cauldron."
Dr. Psycho
Just reading 'State Of Denial' ... the first few chapters detail
Rumsfeld's heavy hand in 'transforming' the military and sidelining of
professional military staff in favour of his own policies and people.
Rumsfeld was and isn't a well liked figure ... unless you happen to be
***** Cheney.
Rumsfeld was told by military staff and Hadley weeks before the
invasion that Feith, in charge of post-war planning, was fucking up.
It's not like they weren't warned ... repeatedly.
Gates will have his hand's full at the Pentagon. Staying or leaving
neither look like good choices. Bush allowed the situation to become a
flat-out guaranteed lose-lose situation.
Looking on with morbid interest,
Marv
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| User: "Perseid" |
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| Title: Re: Sectarian Strife in Iraq Imperils Entire Region, Analysts Warn |
18 Nov 2006 09:12:51 AM |
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After Much Chewing of Cud and Cogitation, "EOD" <g-ray52@excite.com> Spat
the Words
In Damascus, a Syrian analyst close to the Assad government warned that
other countries would intervene if Iraq descended into full-scale civil
war. "Iran will get involved, Turkey will get involved, Saudi Arabia,
Syria," said the analyst, who spoke on condition he not be identified
further.
Turkey has said repeatedly that it will not permit a Kurdish
nation-state on its eastern border.
It's easy to imagine Syria and Iran captilizing on the ensuing chaos to
widen their (mutual) influence in the region, and of course secure some
part of the oil reserves there.
We could be on the verge on what Brent Scowcroft had warned Junior
about before he preemptively struck Iraq -- a Mideast "cauldron."
Dr. Psycho
Article Cont'd Here --
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/11/15/AR200611
1501490.html
Maybe we should just let them all do what they really want to do.
Iran expands to control eastern Iraq. The northern Kurds join with
the Turkish Kurds to form their own state. The Sunnis in the west
are left in the desert with no oil, and whoever wants to stay in
Baghdad gets a life of bloodshed and turmoil.
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| User: "Woodswun" |
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| Title: Re: Sectarian Strife in Iraq Imperils Entire Region, Analysts Warn |
16 Nov 2006 06:21:15 PM |
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On Thu, 16 Nov 2006 05:44:26 -0800, Marvin The Paranoid Android wrote:
If Iraq descends into chaos and neighboring Arab states start fighting
amongst themselves over it's dead carcass (and oil), who benefits?
Israel it would seem since these states would be expending military
resources against one another.
Maybe this was the goal all along? Who knows. Either way it looks as if
this firestorm is just warming up.
Cheers!
-- Marvie
Given Bush's history of failing at every job he's had, I'd say that it's
more likely just another screwup on his part.
Woods
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16 Nov 2006 09:00:00 PM |
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Thanks for that, Marvy baby !!!
2007 will be a very interesting year, indeed !!!
Yeppers, yes siree yes indeedy deedy deedily do !!!
The following outta add a few kindles to the already well-stoked fire:
Oooh, I almost forgot to say HOOROO !!!
HOOROO !!!
UNCLE WALLY
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http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3328416,00.html
Iranian paper: Great war to wipe out Israel coming
Editorials in Iranian newspapers claim '50 percent of Israel already
destroyed,' say 'Israel must collapse'
Yaakov Lappin Published: 11.15.06, 16:13
Iranian newspapers Kehyan and and Resalat have urged Muslims around the
world to prepare for a 'great war' to destroy the State of Israel.
The newspapers published the editorials, translated from Persian by
MEMRI , the Middle East translation service, to mark 'Quds' day on
October 20, an Iranian 'holiday' calling for the "liberation" of
Jerusalem and war against Israel.
"Hizbullah destroyed at least half of Israel in the Lebanon war... Now
only half the path (to its destruction) remains," an editorial in the
conservative Keyhan newspaper declared.
It was proven that, by means of an offensive operation that need not be
equal to Israel's moves, it is possible to neutralize the Zionist
navy," the article said triumphantly.
'Great war not far off'
It continued: "Just as in one 33-day war more than 50 percent of Israel
was destroyed, and the hope of its supporters for the continued life of
this regime was broken, it is likely that in the next battle, the
second half will also collapse."
"On that day... Jordan will not be able to prevent the Jordanian
Islamists from operating through the long Jordan-Palestine border, and
the millions of Egyptian Islamists... will not let the Sinai-Israel
border remain quiet, and the Syrian Golan Heights will not remain as a
(mere) observer of the battle. That day is not so far off."
The Resalat newspaper struck a similarly bellicose tone with an
editorial entitled "Preparations for the Great War."
"The great war is ahead of us, (and will break out) perhaps tomorrow,
or in another few days, or in a few months, or even in a few Years...
Israel must collapse," the newspaper said.
It added: "For the first time in the 60 years of its disgraceful life,
the Zionist regime - the West's beloved in the Middle East - tasted the
taste of defeat, and the citizens of this regime trembled at the menace
of Hizbullah's missiles=E2=80=A6 The nation of Muslims must prepare for the
great war, so as to completely wipe out the Zionist regime, and remove
this cancerous growth. Like the Imam (Ayatollah) Khomeini said: 'Israel
must collapse.'"
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Marvin The Paranoid Android wrote:
If Iraq descends into chaos and neighboring Arab states start fighting
amongst themselves over it's dead carcass (and oil), who benefits?
Israel it would seem since these states would be expending military
resources against one another.
Maybe this was the goal all along? Who knows. Either way it looks as if
this firestorm is just warming up.
Cheers!
-- Marvie
----------------------------------------
Sectarian Strife in Iraq Imperils Entire Region, Analysts Warn
By Ellen Knickmeyer
Washington Post Foreign Service
Thursday, November 16, 2006; A01
BAGHDAD -- While American commanders have suggested that civil war is
possible in Iraq, many leaders, experts and ordinary people in Baghdad
and around the Middle East say it is already underway, and that the
real worry ahead is that the conflict will destroy the flimsy Iraqi
state and draw in surrounding countries.
Whether the U.S. military departs Iraq sooner or later, the United
States will be hard-pressed to leave behind a country that does not
threaten U.S. interests and regional peace, according to U.S. and Arab
analysts and political observers.
"We're not talking about just a full-scale civil war. This would be a
failed-state situation with fighting among various groups," growing
into regional conflict, Joost Hiltermann, Middle East project director
for the International Crisis Group, said by telephone from Amman,
Jordan.
"The war will be over Iraq, over its dead body," Hiltermann said.
"All indications point to a current state of civil war and the
disintegration of the Iraqi state," Nawaf Obaid, an adjunct fellow at
the Center for Strategic and International Studies and an adviser to
the Saudi government, said last week at a conference in Washington on
U.S.-Arab relations.
As Iraq's neighbors grapple with the various ideas put forward for
solving the country's problems, they uniformly shudder at one proposal:
dividing Iraq into separate regions for Sunnis, Shiites and Kurds, and
then speeding the withdrawal of U.S. forces.
"To envision that you can divide Iraq into three parts is to envision
ethnic cleansing on a massive scale, sectarian killing on a massive
scale," Prince Turki al-Faisal, the Saudi ambassador to the United
States, said Oct. 30 at a conference in Washington. "Since America came
into Iraq uninvited, it should not leave Iraq uninvited."
"When the ethnic-religious break occurs in one country, it will not
fail to occur elsewhere, too," Syrian President Bashar al-Assad told
Germany's Der Spiegel newsweekly recently. "It would be as it was at
the end of the Soviet Union, only much worse. Large wars, small wars --
no one will be able to get a grip on the consequences."
In an analysis published last month by the Center for Strategic and
International Studies, Obaid said sectarian conflicts could make Iraq a
battleground for the region.
Obaid described widespread interference by Iranian security forces
within Iraq. He urged Saudi Arabia, which is building a 560-mile wall
on its border with Iraq, to warn Iran "that if these activities are not
checked," Saudi Arabia "will be forced to consider a similar overt and
covert program of its own."
In Damascus, a Syrian analyst close to the Assad government warned that
other countries would intervene if Iraq descended into full-scale civil
war. "Iran will get involved, Turkey will get involved, Saudi Arabia,
Syria," said the analyst, who spoke on condition he not be identified
further.
Article Cont'd Here --
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/11/15/AR2006111=
501490.html
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Thanks for that, Marvy baby !!!
2007 will be a very interesting year, indeed !!!
Yeppers, yes siree yes indeedy deedy deedily do !!!
The following outta add a few kindles to the already well-stoked fire:
Oooh, I almost forgot to say HOOROO !!!
HOOROO !!!
UNCLE WALLY
----00----
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3328416,00.html
Iranian paper: Great war to wipe out Israel coming
Editorials in Iranian newspapers claim '50 percent of Israel already
destroyed,' say 'Israel must collapse'
Yaakov Lappin Published: 11.15.06, 16:13
Iranian newspapers Kehyan and and Resalat have urged Muslims around the
world to prepare for a 'great war' to destroy the State of Israel.
The newspapers published the editorials, translated from Persian by
MEMRI , the Middle East translation service, to mark 'Quds' day on
October 20, an Iranian 'holiday' calling for the "liberation" of
Jerusalem and war against Israel.
"Hizbullah destroyed at least half of Israel in the Lebanon war... Now
only half the path (to its destruction) remains," an editorial in the
conservative Keyhan newspaper declared.
It was proven that, by means of an offensive operation that need not be
equal to Israel's moves, it is possible to neutralize the Zionist
navy," the article said triumphantly.
'Great war not far off'
It continued: "Just as in one 33-day war more than 50 percent of Israel
was destroyed, and the hope of its supporters for the continued life of
this regime was broken, it is likely that in the next battle, the
second half will also collapse."
"On that day... Jordan will not be able to prevent the Jordanian
Islamists from operating through the long Jordan-Palestine border, and
the millions of Egyptian Islamists... will not let the Sinai-Israel
border remain quiet, and the Syrian Golan Heights will not remain as a
(mere) observer of the battle. That day is not so far off."
The Resalat newspaper struck a similarly bellicose tone with an
editorial entitled "Preparations for the Great War."
"The great war is ahead of us, (and will break out) perhaps tomorrow,
or in another few days, or in a few months, or even in a few Years...
Israel must collapse," the newspaper said.
It added: "For the first time in the 60 years of its disgraceful life,
the Zionist regime - the West's beloved in the Middle East - tasted the
taste of defeat, and the citizens of this regime trembled at the menace
of Hizbullah's missiles=E2=80=A6 The nation of Muslims must prepare for the
great war, so as to completely wipe out the Zionist regime, and remove
this cancerous growth. Like the Imam (Ayatollah) Khomeini said: 'Israel
must collapse.'"
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
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Marvin The Paranoid Android wrote:
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If Iraq descends into chaos and neighboring Arab states start fighting
amongst themselves over it's dead carcass (and oil), who benefits?
Israel it would seem since these states would be expending military
resources against one another.
Maybe this was the goal all along? Who knows. Either way it looks as if
this firestorm is just warming up.
Cheers!
-- Marvie
----------------------------------------
Sectarian Strife in Iraq Imperils Entire Region, Analysts Warn
By Ellen Knickmeyer
Washington Post Foreign Service
Thursday, November 16, 2006; A01
BAGHDAD -- While American commanders have suggested that civil war is
possible in Iraq, many leaders, experts and ordinary people in Baghdad
and around the Middle East say it is already underway, and that the
real worry ahead is that the conflict will destroy the flimsy Iraqi
state and draw in surrounding countries.
Whether the U.S. military departs Iraq sooner or later, the United
States will be hard-pressed to leave behind a country that does not
threaten U.S. interests and regional peace, according to U.S. and Arab
analysts and political observers.
"We're not talking about just a full-scale civil war. This would be a
failed-state situation with fighting among various groups," growing
into regional conflict, Joost Hiltermann, Middle East project director
for the International Crisis Group, said by telephone from Amman,
Jordan.
"The war will be over Iraq, over its dead body," Hiltermann said.
"All indications point to a current state of civil war and the
disintegration of the Iraqi state," Nawaf Obaid, an adjunct fellow at
the Center for Strategic and International Studies and an adviser to
the Saudi government, said last week at a conference in Washington on
U.S.-Arab relations.
As Iraq's neighbors grapple with the various ideas put forward for
solving the country's problems, they uniformly shudder at one proposal:
dividing Iraq into separate regions for Sunnis, Shiites and Kurds, and
then speeding the withdrawal of U.S. forces.
"To envision that you can divide Iraq into three parts is to envision
ethnic cleansing on a massive scale, sectarian killing on a massive
scale," Prince Turki al-Faisal, the Saudi ambassador to the United
States, said Oct. 30 at a conference in Washington. "Since America came
into Iraq uninvited, it should not leave Iraq uninvited."
"When the ethnic-religious break occurs in one country, it will not
fail to occur elsewhere, too," Syrian President Bashar al-Assad told
Germany's Der Spiegel newsweekly recently. "It would be as it was at
the end of the Soviet Union, only much worse. Large wars, small wars --
no one will be able to get a grip on the consequences."
In an analysis published last month by the Center for Strategic and
International Studies, Obaid said sectarian conflicts could make Iraq a
battleground for the region.
Obaid described widespread interference by Iranian security forces
within Iraq. He urged Saudi Arabia, which is building a 560-mile wall
on its border with Iraq, to warn Iran "that if these activities are not
checked," Saudi Arabia "will be forced to consider a similar overt and
covert program of its own."
In Damascus, a Syrian analyst close to the Assad government warned that
other countries would intervene if Iraq descended into full-scale civil
war. "Iran will get involved, Turkey will get involved, Saudi Arabia,
Syria," said the analyst, who spoke on condition he not be identified
further.
Article Cont'd Here --
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/11/15/AR200...
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