http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/05/11/inhofe.abuse/index.html
Sen. James Inhofe seems to have a real problem with the "Good Guys" wanting to
maintain a "Good Guys" standard by investigating the abuse. He's a member of
the Senate Armed Services Committee (hmmm ... does he know something for sure
that the rest of us can only conjecture? One must wonder!).
""I'm probably not the only one up at this table that is more outraged by the
outrage than we are by the treatment," Sen. James Inhofe said during a hearing
on the Abu Ghraib prison scandal."
Woods
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12 May 2004 11:11:50 AM |
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He is a great Senator who shows that he is in touch with the American people
who for the most part are more outraged by the outrage than they are by the
photo's.
That you have such sympathy for killers and thugs while your own people are
dying is pathetic.
Tony
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| User: "tw" |
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13 May 2004 02:30:53 AM |
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"TonyZ2001" <tonyz2001@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20040512121150.20472.00000889@mb-m21.aol.com...
He is a great Senator who shows that he is in touch with the American
people
who for the most part are more outraged by the outrage than they are by
the
photo's.
The photo's what?
That you have such sympathy for killers and thugs
What is your evidence that the people being humiliated and abused in the
pictures were killers and thugs?
while your own people are
dying is pathetic.
Tony
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| User: "TonyZ2001" |
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13 May 2004 04:54:11 AM |
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"tw"
wrote:
"TonyZ2001" <tonyz2001@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20040512121150.20472.00000889@mb-m21.aol.com...
He is a great Senator who shows that he is in touch with the American
people
who for the most part are more >>outraged by the outrage than they are >>by
the photo's.
The photo's what?
As someone who is constantly writing the word "teh", you should be so quick to
try to point out the errors of others.
That you have such sympathy for >>killers and thugs
What is your evidence that the people >being humiliated and abused in the
pictures were killers and thugs?
The people in those prisons are mostly insurgents who have been fighting
against our troops, who have either killed US personel, or plotted to do so.
Tony
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| User: "tw" |
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13 May 2004 06:21:43 AM |
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"TonyZ2001" <tonyz2001@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20040513055411.22456.00000472@mb-m29.aol.com...
"tw"
wrote:
"TonyZ2001" <tonyz2001@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20040512121150.20472.00000889@mb-m21.aol.com...
He is a great Senator who shows that he is in touch with the American
people
who for the most part are more >>outraged by the outrage than they are
by
the photo's.
The photo's what?
As someone who is constantly writing the word "teh", you should be so
quick to
try to point out the errors of others.
As has been explained to you countless times, there is a difference between
a typographical error and bad spelling. That you fail to appreciate the
difference reflects badly on your intelligence.
That you have such sympathy for >>killers and thugs
What is your evidence that the people >being humiliated and abused in the
pictures were killers and thugs?
The people in those prisons are mostly insurgents who have been fighting
against our troops, who have either killed US personel, or plotted to do
so.
Backpedalling eh? LOL. OK, What is your evidence that the people being
humiliated had killed or plotted to kill US troops?
Tony
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| User: "Woodswun" |
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13 May 2004 06:50:49 PM |
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In article <20040513055411.22456.00000472@mb-m29.aol.com>, (TonyZ2001) wrote:
"tw"
wrote:
"TonyZ2001" < > wrote in message
news:20040512121150.20472.00000889@mb-m21.aol.com...
He is a great Senator who shows that he is in touch with the American
people
who for the most part are more >>outraged by the outrage than they are >>by
the photo's.
The photo's what?
As someone who is constantly writing the word "teh", you should be so quick to
try to point out the errors of others.
That you have such sympathy for >>killers and thugs
What is your evidence that the people >being humiliated and abused in the
pictures were killers and thugs?
The people in those prisons are mostly insurgents who have been fighting
against our troops, who have either killed US personel, or plotted to do so.
That's your assumption. There's been no evidence presented that the victims of
the torture had done anything, and certainly their family members hadn't.
(Notwithstanding the fact that it's a war crime to torture prisoners
*regardless* of whether they're fighting you or not ...)
Woods
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| User: "Gerald" |
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13 May 2004 09:22:59 PM |
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In article <20040513055411.22456.00000472@mb-m29.aol.com>, TonyZ2001 says...
The people in those prisons are mostly insurgents who have been fighting
against our troops, who have either killed US personel, or plotted to do so.
The Red Cross claims that as many as 90 percent of the prisoners at Abu Ghraib
were taken there during general search sweeps. The sweeps were for good reason
but instead of checking the houses and letting the folks go back to sleep if no
evidence was there, the soldiers were haul the entire household off to AG, dad,
mom, and the kids - sometimes even the handicapped. And they commonly remain
there for months. Most were not taken to the interrogation areas but some were.
Don't assume good sense being used by our people in Iraq. The war is too
thoroughly corrupt for that.
Gerald
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| User: "Bill" |
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12 May 2004 10:58:27 PM |
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At least for me, the sympathy is not directed at the killers - it is
directed at my "own people" because the risk to my "own people" just
went through the roof. Now, we potentially have a military draft
coming our way. Insane!
Coming from a dumb ***** that actually voted for him, Bush is the worst
president this Union has ever seen. A new direction in Iraq is not the
only thing required -- a new direction in America is desparately
required. We absolutely require a third party.
enough said.
tonyz2001@aol.com (TonyZ2001) wrote in message news:<20040512121150.20472.00000889@mb-m21.aol.com>...
He is a great Senator who shows that he is in touch with the American people
who for the most part are more outraged by the outrage than they are by the
photo's.
That you have such sympathy for killers and thugs while your own people are
dying is pathetic.
Tony
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| User: "TonyZ2001" |
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13 May 2004 04:51:18 AM |
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bfdiii@hotmail.com (Bill)
wrote:
At least for me, the sympathy is not >directed at the killers - it is
directed at my "own people" because the >risk to my "own people" just
went through the roof. Now, we >potentially have a military draft
coming our way. Insane!
Our people over there are in no more danger than they were before, there are
people in Iraq and the rest of the Middle East that are out to kill every
American and Westerner that they can.
This has been their stated goal for years.
As for your statement on the draft, you say it as if that would be such a
horror, I mean God forbid that young people might be required to serve their
country for 2 years.
Tony
Coming from a dumb ***** that actually voted for him, Bush is the worst
president this Union has ever seen. A new direction in Iraq is not the
only thing required -- a new direction in America is desparately
required. We absolutely require a third party.
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| User: "Bill" |
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13 May 2004 03:46:06 PM |
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(TonyZ2001) wrote in message news:<20040513055118.22456.00000471@mb-m29.aol.com>...
bfdiii@hotmail.com (Bill)
wrote:
At least for me, the sympathy is not >directed at the killers - it is
directed at my "own people" because the >risk to my "own people" just
went through the roof. Now, we >potentially have a military draft
coming our way. Insane!
Our people over there are in no more danger than they were before, there are
people in Iraq and the rest of the Middle East that are out to kill every
American and Westerner that they can.
This has been their stated goal for years.
As for your statement on the draft, you say it as if that would be such a
horror, I mean God forbid that young people might be required to serve their
country for 2 years.
Tony
We are NOT serving our country in Iraq! We don't belong there and we
never should have gone. I believe we would gain more respect by
getting out than staying. Pre-emptive war is not an American agenda!
We have the world's largest military in the world -- next to
potentially China -- and it still is not enough. Just where does it
end? We are more than strong enough to defend ourselves.
The stated goals were of the few and far between prior to our sticking
our noses where it did not belong. You are a one-worlder, did you
ever consider that the United Nations was actually successfully
de-militarizing Iraq prior to our moving in? It is a lie of
incredible proportions our being there. You want to debate that,
let's take it off line. There is absolutely nothing to defend here on
the Bush agenda. It has changed the American way of life and not for
the better.
And by the way, I am not a One World Government supporter ... fighting
it every step of the way.
Bill
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13 May 2004 05:43:07 PM |
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This should interest Tony and friends especially since he has this
crazy idea that only "liberals" are the ones disagreeing with the Iraq
adventure.
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=38454
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A time for truth
Patrick J Buchanan
Posted: May 12, 2004
1:00 a.m. Eastern
© 2004 Creators Syndicate, Inc.
With pictures of the sadistic sexual abuse of Iraqis in Abu Ghraib
prison still spilling out onto the front pages, it is not too early to
draw some conclusions.
The neoconservative hour is over. All the blather about "empire," our
"unipolar moment," "Pax Americana" and "benevolent global hegemony"
will be quietly put on a shelf and forgotten as infantile prattle.
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America is not going to fight a five- or 10-year war in Iraq. Nor will
we be launching any new invasions soon. The retreat of American
empire, begun at Fallujah, is underway.
With a $500 billion deficit, we do not have the money for new wars.
With an Army of 480,000 stretched thin, we do not have the troops.
With April-May costing us a battalion of dead and wounded, we are not
going to pay the price. With the squalid photos from Abu Ghraib, we no
longer have the moral authority to impose our "values" on Iraq.
Bush's "world democratic revolution" is history.
Given the hatred of the United States and Bush in the Arab world, as
attested to by Egypt's Hosni Mubarak, it is almost delusional to think
Arab peoples are going to follow America's lead.
It is a time for truth. In any guerrilla war we fight, there is going
to be a steady stream of U.S. dead and wounded. There is going to be
collateral damage – i.e., women and children slain and maimed. There
will be prisoners abused. And inevitably, there will be outrages by
U.S. troops enraged at the killing of comrades and the jeering of
hostile populations. If you would have an empire, this goes with the
territory. And if you are unprepared to pay the price, give it up.
The administration's shock and paralysis at publication of the S&M
photos from Abu Ghraib tell us we are not up to it. For what is taking
place in Iraq is child's play compared to what we did in the
Philippines a century ago. Only there, they did not have digital
cameras, videocams and the Internet.
Iraq was an unnecessary war that may become one of the great blunders
in U.S. history. That the invasion was brilliantly conceived and
executed by Gen. Franks, that our fighting men were among the finest
we ever sent to war, that they have done good deeds and brave acts, is
undeniable. Yet, if recent surveys are accurate, the Iraqis no longer
want us there.
Outside the Kurdish areas, over 80 percent of Sunnis and Shias view us
as occupiers. Over 50 percent believe there are occasions when U.S.
soldiers deserve killing. The rejoicing around every destroyed
military vehicle where U.S. soldiers have died should tell us that the
battle for hearts and minds is being lost.
Why are we so hated in the Middle East? Three fundamental reasons:
Our invasion of Iraq is seen as a premeditated and unjust war to crush
a weak Arab nation that had not threatened or attacked us, to seize
its oil.
We are seen as an arrogant imperial superpower that dictates to Arab
peoples and sustains regimes that oppress them.
We are seen as the financier and armorer of an Israel that oppresses
and robs Palestinians of their land and denies them rights we
hypocritically preach to the world.
Until we address these perceptions and causes of the conflict between
us, we will not persuade the Arab world to follow us.
What should Bush do now? He should declare that the United States has
no intention of establishing permanent bases in Iraq, and that we
intend to withdraw all U.S. troops after elections, if the Iraqis tell
us to leave. Then we should schedule elections at the earliest
possible date this year.
The Iraqi peoples should then be told that U.S. soldiers are not going
to fight and die indefinitely for their freedom. If they do not want
to be ruled by Sheik Moqtada al-Sadr or some future Saddam, they will
have to fight themselves. Otherwise, they will have to live with them,
even as they lived with Saddam. For in the last analysis, it is their
country, not ours.
The president should also offer to withdraw U.S. forces from any Arab
country that wishes us to leave. We have already pulled out of Saudi
Arabia. Let us pull out of the rest unless they ask that we remain.
Our military presence in these Arab and Islamic countries, it would
seem, does less to prevent terror attacks upon us than to incite them.
A presidential election is where the great foreign-policy debate
should take place over whether to maintain U.S. troops all over the
world, or bring them home and let other nations determine their own
destiny. Unfortunately, we have two candidates and two parties that
agree on our present foreign policy that is conspicuously failing.
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12 May 2004 06:13:17 PM |
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In article <20040512121150.20472.00000889@mb-m21.aol.com>, (TonyZ2001) wrote:
He is a great Senator who shows that he is in touch with the American people
who for the most part are more outraged by the outrage than they are by the
photo's.
Americans are not more outraged by the outrage than they are by the photos.
Indeed, most Americans are good, law-abiding, caring people who do not condone
abusing people as shown in the photos.
That you have such sympathy for killers and thugs while your own people are
dying is pathetic.
I'm an American who believes in Americans doing what's right at all times, I'm
not a neocon traitor who's out to destroy everything this country stands for.
Woods
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| User: "Ex" |
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12 May 2004 07:36:43 PM |
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"Woodswun" <woodswun@tepidmail.com> wrote in message
news:hcyoc.182140$M3.45692@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
In article <20040512121150.20472.00000889@mb-m21.aol.com>,
tonyz2001@aol.com (TonyZ2001) wrote:
He is a great Senator who shows that he is in touch with the American
people
who for the most part are more outraged by the outrage than they are by
the
photo's.
Americans are not more outraged by the outrage than they are by the
photos.
Indeed, most Americans are good, law-abiding, caring people who do not
condone
abusing people as shown in the photos.
Well, all I can say is ... I'm certainly outraged over his outrage over the
outrage ... and I'm rarely outraged.
Seriously tho, the guy sounds like a dipshit and is just doing some
grandstanding to get some free publicity.
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13 May 2004 04:48:02 AM |
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woodswun@tepidmail.com
wrote:
tonyz2001@aol.com (TonyZ2001) wrote:
He is a great Senator who shows that he is in touch with the American people
who for the most part are more outraged by the outrage than they are by the
photo's.
Americans are not more outraged by the >outrage than they are by the photos.
Wrong.
That you have such sympathy for killers >>and thugs while your own people are
dying is pathetic.
I'm an American who believes in >Americans doing what's right at all times,
I'm not a neocon traitor who's out to >destroy everything this country stands
for.
Woods
If you Liberals do not stop impeding our fight against Terrorism, there will be
no country left.
I suspect that many of you Liberals are hoping for that.
Tony
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| User: "Woodswun" |
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13 May 2004 06:45:12 PM |
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In article <20040513054802.22456.00000470@mb-m29.aol.com>, (TonyZ2001) wrote:
woodswun@tepidmail.com
wrote:
(TonyZ2001) wrote:
He is a great Senator who shows that he is in touch with the American people
who for the most part are more outraged by the outrage than they are by the
photo's.
Americans are not more outraged by the >outrage than they are by the photos.
Wrong.
That you have such sympathy for killers >>and thugs while your own people are
dying is pathetic.
I'm an American who believes in >Americans doing what's right at all times,
I'm not a neocon traitor who's out to >destroy everything this country stands
for.
Woods
If you Liberals do not stop impeding our fight against Terrorism, there will be
no country left.
Well, if you're going to give up all the liberties, rights and humanity that
America ever had going for it, what's the point of having a country left?
I'll keep our rights, liberties and integrity, thanks.
Woods
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| User: "Bill" |
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13 May 2004 03:53:46 PM |
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Tony, do you understand the difference between conservative and
liberal? Taken to extremes, conservative more or less means "Things
are great the way they are" and liberal means "Change for the sake of
change is acceptable".
With those definitions, is Bush a liberal or a conservative?
Tony, you are a Republican. I, personally, am a conservative. There
is a huge difference and it is about time you figured it out.
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