"A Saudi prisoner who US officials thought was linked to the September
11 attacks." No specifics on what the "nondoctrinal" techniques were
... and that this interrogation took place at Guantanamo Bay, not in
Iraq.

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In article <a666e2c5.0405220426.37ade5d6@posting.google.com>,

bollogs@hotmail.com (bollogs) wrote:

<snip>
The accounts shed no further light on whether guards were acting on
higher authority. <snip>

<snip>
Evidence emerged at a Pentagon briefing that US Defence Secretary,
Donald Rumsfeld, played a personal role in the evolution of military
interrogation procedures. He approved a request from the commander of
Guantanamo Bay for a series of extraordinary, "nondoctrinal"
techniques to gain information from a Saudi prisoner who US officials
thought was linked to the September 11 attacks. (© The Times, London)

"A Saudi prisoner who US officials thought was linked to the September
11 attacks." No specifics on what the "nondoctrinal" techniques were
.... and that this interrogation took place at Guantanamo Bay, not in
Iraq.

I have to point out here that Americans are as shocked and outraged by this

as

everyone else,

By the abuses at Abu Ghraib, absolutely.

save some neocons/brownshirts who will apparently support
anything the Bush adminstration does.

And (with no proof) you instantly leap to the conclusion that the Bush
Administration approved the abuses at Abu Ghraib. But then that's your
political bias showing ... something (bias) of which you readily
accuse others, but don't recognize in yourself.

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In article <a666e2c5.0405220426.37ade5d6@posting.google.com>,

Prison portrait of depravity heaps more shame on US

A baton-wielding American soldier smiles as a naked Iraqi detainee,
covered with an unknown brownish substance, is cuffed at the ankles
inside the Abu Ghraib Prison. Below left, a US guard is poised to
punch a huddled mass of detainees while, right, a terrified inmate is
intimidated by a soldier using a dog. Pics: Washington Post



EXPLICIT accounts of harrowing prisoner abuse, coupled with a swathe
of new photographs and graphic videos, expanded the portrait of
depravity inside Abu Ghraib and threatened President Bush with new
setbacks.

US prison guards straddled naked Iraqi prisoners like animals,
terrorised them sexually, beat them savagely and forced them to
retrieve their food from lavatories, according to sworn statements
from detainees.

Prisoners were also forced to eat pork, drink alcohol and denounce
Islam, adding a previously unacknowledged religious element to the
intimidation. One said that during the Muslim holy month of Ramadan he
was forced to thank Jesus for his life as a guard beat his broken leg.

It also emerged that last year the commander of coalition forces in
Iraq urged military intelligence officials at Abu Ghraib to work more
closely with prison guards to "manipulate an internee's emotions and
weaknesses".

General Ricardo Sanchez signed a memorandum saying interrogators
should assume control of prisoners' "lighting, heating, food, clothing
and shelter". The memo is the most significant piece of evidence yet
to support the accused guards' defence that they were following
orders.

Acts of physical and psychological abuse have been previously
chronicled by an internal US military inquiry. But the 13 first-hand
prisoner accounts, including the religious heresies forced on them,
were guaranteed to fuel anti-American revulsion in the Islamic world.

US forces in Iraq yesterday released almost 500 prisoners from Abu
Ghraib, the centre of the abuse scandal. But the move was overshadowed
by the 65-pages of new accounts, collected in January by US officials
investigating claims of mistreatment, and obtained by 'The Washington
Post'.

Pictures showed guards beating prisoners and dragging them across the
floor naked. One video shows the construction of the infamous pyramid
of naked bodies.

In another, five hooded and naked detainees are shown standing against
a wall, each masturbating, with two other hooded detainees crouched at
their feet. A photograph shows a soldier restraining a barking dog
inches from the face of a terrified, kneeling prisoner.

Kasim Mehaddi Hilas, detainee number 151108, told investigators he had
seen a US Army translator raping a teenage boy while being filmed by a
female prison guard. "The kid was hurting real bad," he said.

He also said he saw Charles Graner, one of the seven guards facing
courts martial, and identified as one of the ringleaders, sodomise a
detainee with a strip light. "They tied him to the bed," he added.

Mustafa Jassim Hustafa, detainee number 150542, said he also witnessed
the attack, and described how the victim "was screaming for help".

The accounts shed no further light on whether guards were acting on
higher authority. But, coupled with clips from a video which showed a
prisoner being beaten, they provided graphic evidence that was
yesterday being broadcast around the Arab world.

Hiadar Sabar Abed Miktub al-Aboodi, detainee number 13077, said: "They
forced us to walk like dogs on our hands and knees. And we had to bark
like a dog and if we didn't do that they started hitting us hard on
our face and chest with no mercy."

Ameen Saeed al-Sheik, detainee number 151362, said of the guards:
"They said, 'We will make you wish to die and it will not happen'."

He added: "They handcuffed me and hung me to the bed. They ordered me
to curse Islam and because they started to hit my broken leg, I cursed
my religion. They ordered me to thank Jesus that I'm alive."

The first-hand accounts all took place in Tier 1A of Abu Ghraib, a
cell block controlled by military intelligence which housed Iraqis the
US thought had good intelligence that could help to quell the
insurgency, locate Saddam Hussein and unearth weapons of mass
destruction.

Pentagon spokesman, Lawrence DiRita, said the pictures were among the
1,600 already shown to Congress. New pictures emerged this week on a
computer disk of which the Pentagon was not aware.

Mr DiRita added: "We will leave no stone unturned to get to the bottom
of this, to hold accountable those who may be responsible."

Evidence emerged at a Pentagon briefing that US Defence Secretary,
Donald Rumsfeld, played a personal role in the evolution of military
interrogation procedures. He approved a request from the commander of
Guantanamo Bay for a series of extraordinary, "nondoctrinal"
techniques to gain information from a Saudi prisoner who US officials
thought was linked to the September 11 attacks. (© The Times, London)

I have to point out here that Americans are as shocked and outraged by this

as

everyone else, save some neocons/brownshirts who will apparently support
anything the Bush adminstration does.

Woods

And that I'm very much aware of Woods. But your stormtroopers are
there in your name, to save you from the horrors of non-existant
WMD's, whether you like it or not. Unfortunately, those
necoons/brownshirts along with their monkey boss get you all a bad
name.

Get rid of the monkey :-)

woodswun@tepidmail.com (Woodswun) wrote in message news:<%VIrc.238558$M3.107383@twister.nyroc.rr.com>...

In article <a666e2c5.0405220426.37ade5d6@posting.google.com>,

Prison portrait of depravity heaps more shame on US

A baton-wielding American soldier smiles as a naked Iraqi detainee,
covered with an unknown brownish substance, is cuffed at the ankles
inside the Abu Ghraib Prison. Below left, a US guard is poised to
punch a huddled mass of detainees while, right, a terrified inmate is
intimidated by a soldier using a dog. Pics: Washington Post



EXPLICIT accounts of harrowing prisoner abuse, coupled with a swathe
of new photographs and graphic videos, expanded the portrait of
depravity inside Abu Ghraib and threatened President Bush with new
setbacks.

US prison guards straddled naked Iraqi prisoners like animals,
terrorised them sexually, beat them savagely and forced them to
retrieve their food from lavatories, according to sworn statements
from detainees.

Prisoners were also forced to eat pork, drink alcohol and denounce
Islam, adding a previously unacknowledged religious element to the
intimidation. One said that during the Muslim holy month of Ramadan he
was forced to thank Jesus for his life as a guard beat his broken leg.

It also emerged that last year the commander of coalition forces in
Iraq urged military intelligence officials at Abu Ghraib to work more
closely with prison guards to "manipulate an internee's emotions and
weaknesses".

General Ricardo Sanchez signed a memorandum saying interrogators
should assume control of prisoners' "lighting, heating, food, clothing
and shelter". The memo is the most significant piece of evidence yet
to support the accused guards' defence that they were following
orders.

Acts of physical and psychological abuse have been previously
chronicled by an internal US military inquiry. But the 13 first-hand
prisoner accounts, including the religious heresies forced on them,
were guaranteed to fuel anti-American revulsion in the Islamic world.

US forces in Iraq yesterday released almost 500 prisoners from Abu
Ghraib, the centre of the abuse scandal. But the move was overshadowed
by the 65-pages of new accounts, collected in January by US officials
investigating claims of mistreatment, and obtained by 'The Washington
Post'.

Pictures showed guards beating prisoners and dragging them across the
floor naked. One video shows the construction of the infamous pyramid
of naked bodies.

In another, five hooded and naked detainees are shown standing against
a wall, each masturbating, with two other hooded detainees crouched at
their feet. A photograph shows a soldier restraining a barking dog
inches from the face of a terrified, kneeling prisoner.

Kasim Mehaddi Hilas, detainee number 151108, told investigators he had
seen a US Army translator raping a teenage boy while being filmed by a
female prison guard. "The kid was hurting real bad," he said.

He also said he saw Charles Graner, one of the seven guards facing
courts martial, and identified as one of the ringleaders, sodomise a
detainee with a strip light. "They tied him to the bed," he added.

Mustafa Jassim Hustafa, detainee number 150542, said he also witnessed
the attack, and described how the victim "was screaming for help".

The accounts shed no further light on whether guards were acting on
higher authority. But, coupled with clips from a video which showed a
prisoner being beaten, they provided graphic evidence that was
yesterday being broadcast around the Arab world.

Hiadar Sabar Abed Miktub al-Aboodi, detainee number 13077, said: "They
forced us to walk like dogs on our hands and knees. And we had to bark
like a dog and if we didn't do that they started hitting us hard on
our face and chest with no mercy."

Ameen Saeed al-Sheik, detainee number 151362, said of the guards:
"They said, 'We will make you wish to die and it will not happen'."

He added: "They handcuffed me and hung me to the bed. They ordered me
to curse Islam and because they started to hit my broken leg, I cursed
my religion. They ordered me to thank Jesus that I'm alive."

The first-hand accounts all took place in Tier 1A of Abu Ghraib, a
cell block controlled by military intelligence which housed Iraqis the
US thought had good intelligence that could help to quell the
insurgency, locate Saddam Hussein and unearth weapons of mass
destruction.

Pentagon spokesman, Lawrence DiRita, said the pictures were among the
1,600 already shown to Congress. New pictures emerged this week on a
computer disk of which the Pentagon was not aware.

Mr DiRita added: "We will leave no stone unturned to get to the bottom
of this, to hold accountable those who may be responsible."

Evidence emerged at a Pentagon briefing that US Defence Secretary,
Donald Rumsfeld, played a personal role in the evolution of military
interrogation procedures. He approved a request from the commander of
Guantanamo Bay for a series of extraordinary, "nondoctrinal"
techniques to gain information from a Saudi prisoner who US officials
thought was linked to the September 11 attacks. (© The Times, London)

I have to point out here that Americans are as shocked and outraged by this as
everyone else, save some neocons/brownshirts who will apparently support
anything the Bush adminstration does.

Woods

And that I'm very much aware of Woods. But your stormtroopers are
there in your name, to save you from the horrors of non-existant
WMD's, whether you like it or not. Unfortunately, those
necoons/brownshirts along with their monkey boss get you all a bad
name.

Get rid of the monkey :-)

WH