Dec. 21, 2004. 06:49 AM
BERNARD WEIL/TORONTO STAR
Tarek Fatah of the Muslim Canadian Congress talks to
reporters at Queen's Park yesterday, saying a proposal to allow the use of
Islamic principles in resolving family disputes would hurt women.
Report called 'betrayal' of women
Proposal backs use of Islamic principles in settling disputes
Ontario heading in 'dangerous direction,' opponents say
CAROLINE MALLAN
QUEEN'S PARK BUREAU CHIEF
A proposal to allow the use of Islamic principles in settling family
disputes in Ontario has been met with outrage by opponents of the plan.
Former NDP attorney-general Marion Boyd made the recommendation
yesterday in a 150-page report in which she also called for new safeguards
to protect the rights of women.
But she ultimately concluded that "Muslim principles" should be
considered an acceptable method of religious arbitration as long as they do
not violate Canadian law.
Boyd was asked by the provincial government to review the 1991
Arbitration Act and assess whether a plan by the Islamic Institute for Civil
Justice to use the guiding principles of their faith in settling marital and
inheritance disputes should be halted.
Catholics and Jews already have made use of the act, which is intended
as a way of avoiding costly court fights when both parties to a dispute
agree to do so. A divorcing couple could use the act to decide on a division
of property, for example.
Opponents were quick to condemn Boyd's report, calling it "naive" and
a betrayal of women.
Marilou McPhedran, counsel for the Canadian Council of Muslim Women,
labelled Boyd's report "naive" in its assumptions that Muslim women would
have the same choices as other women.
McPhedran said many women who could be affected are recent immigrants
who might not speak English and are not given a true choice in how a divorce
might be settled.
"This is a dangerous direction. It is the thin edge of the wedge. This
has to be stopped now," she said.
Tarek Fatah of the Muslim Canadian Congress said Boyd has lent
credibility to a system of law that has disadvantaged women in Muslim
countries for centuries.
"Marion Boyd today has given legitimacy and credibility to the
right-wing racists who fundamentally are against equal rights for men and
women," Fatah said of the endorsement of some form of sharia law.
"The proponents of sharia in Canada are not concerned about family
law, they are concerned about bringing justification for introducing sharia
and legitimizing it."
But Boyd repeatedly stressed that the term "sharia" is not what is
being proposed by the Islamic Institute for Civil Justice, adding the
1,400-year-old set of rules and laws covers criminal and civil matters and
is often incompatible with Canadian law.
"We're being very clear, this is not sharia law," Boyd told a news
conference. "This is Muslim religious principles within Canadian law."
But, she conceded, in all cases of arbitration, whether religious or
not, it is up to the people involved to stand up for their own rights. "It's
a bit of consumer beware that I think is very real in this area."
Boyd also said in an interview later, "I'm not naďve enough to think
this is the end of it."
Although some critics are firmly opposed to the use of the Arbitration
Act by any religious group, she said she couldn't "in good conscience" tell
the government to end it because "it would set back family law by 30 years."
But anyone who interprets the report as giving priority to
multiculturalism over female equality is "misreading" it: "It's a
recognition that (sharia arbitrations) are already happening - the first one
here was in 1982. But there is no way to scrutinize them.
"If they stay underground, Muslim women will be more vulnerable."
Boyd also told the news conference she believes strengthening the
existing system of arbitration, including mandating domestic violence
awareness training for arbitrators, will help reduce the number of informal,
religious-based family dispute resolutions that happen without any
oversight.
Critics of any use of sharia law in Canada point to examples of what
some Muslim societies consider to be acceptable levels of spousal support
when a marriage ends - anywhere from three months to a year's worth of
support - compared to a Canadian norm of much more long-term support for a
former spouse and children.
"I think Boyd made up her mind before she even started because she
hasn't taken into consideration anything we said. It's like she didn't hear
us," said Alia Hogben, executive director of the 900-member Canadian Council
of Muslim Women.
Boyd's report recommends a greater right of appeal for arbitrations,
but puts the onus on Muslim women to take that step, said Hogben, "but how
would many women have the wherewithal to do that?"
"We just hope that the attorney-general freezes the report until a
proper investigation is done," said Homa Arjomand, head of the International
Campaign to Stop Sharia Courts in Canada.
The campaign argued that while, technically, Muslim women will have
access to Canadian laws and court, and the legal system will undoubtedly
reject oppressive decisions, "the reality is that most women (will) be
coerced socially, economically or psychologically" into participating in
sharia tribunals.
Boyd's report calls on arbitrators to affirm that they have
interviewed the couple in dispute separately to determine that both parties
are participating of their own free will and to rule out any possible
domestic violence issues.
All of the groups opposed to any use of sharia said they will
aggressively press the Liberal government and Attorney-General Michael
Bryant to reject Boyd's findings and put an end to arbitrations that rely on
Muslim laws.
But Syed Mumtaz Ali, a lawyer for the Islamic Institute for Civil
Justice, said he was "delighted" with Boyd's findings and added that many of
the 46 recommendations for strengthening the Arbitration Act came from him.
"It's a model for the whole world to see how sharia law can be used in
a Western society," Mumtaz Ali said in an interview. He added that while
sharia is a misnomer in terms of the type of family disputes at issue, he
said it is the term most people recognize and associate with Muslim beliefs
being applied through the law.
Mumtaz Ali said Muslim principles require Muslims to believe in one
God and to commit to obeying the law in the country where they live. He said
the advantage of sharia-type arbitration is that participants are compelled
by their religious beliefs to uphold the law, an extra onus that will make
for fair treatment of all parties in the dispute.
"Canadian laws prevail, sharia law takes a backseat," he said of the
plan he envisions for arbitration.
He said many people in the community are anxious to proceed with
sharia-based arbitration and plans have been in limbo awaiting Boyd's
report.
Len Rudner of the Canadian Jewish Congress said the group felt Boyd
struck a fair balance between the needs of the individuals and those of the
community. "She appears to have done a good job of that," he said.
with files from Lynda Hurst
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"Jane" <pussslicke@hotmail.com> wrote:
Dec. 21, 2004. 06:49 AM
BERNARD WEIL/TORONTO STAR
Tarek Fatah of the Muslim Canadian Congress talks to
reporters at Queen's Park yesterday, saying a proposal to allow the use of
Islamic principles in resolving family disputes would hurt women.
Report called 'betrayal' of women
Proposal backs use of Islamic principles in settling disputes
Ontario heading in 'dangerous direction,' opponents say
CAROLINE MALLAN
QUEEN'S PARK BUREAU CHIEF
A proposal to allow the use of Islamic principles in settling family
disputes in Ontario has been met with outrage by opponents of the plan.
Former NDP attorney-general Marion Boyd made the recommendation
yesterday in a 150-page report in which she also called for new safeguards
to protect the rights of women.
But she ultimately concluded that "Muslim principles" should be
considered an acceptable method of religious arbitration as long as they do
not violate Canadian law.
Boyd was asked by the provincial government to review the 1991
Arbitration Act and assess whether a plan by the Islamic Institute for Civil
Justice to use the guiding principles of their faith in settling marital and
inheritance disputes should be halted.
Catholics and Jews already have made use of the act, which is intended
as a way of avoiding costly court fights when both parties to a dispute
agree to do so. A divorcing couple could use the act to decide on a division
of property, for example.
Opponents were quick to condemn Boyd's report, calling it "naive" and
a betrayal of women.
Marilou McPhedran, counsel for the Canadian Council of Muslim Women,
labelled Boyd's report "naive" in its assumptions that Muslim women would
have the same choices as other women.
McPhedran said many women who could be affected are recent immigrants
who might not speak English and are not given a true choice in how a divorce
might be settled.
"This is a dangerous direction. It is the thin edge of the wedge. This
has to be stopped now," she said.
Tarek Fatah of the Muslim Canadian Congress said Boyd has lent
credibility to a system of law that has disadvantaged women in Muslim
countries for centuries.
"Marion Boyd today has given legitimacy and credibility to the
right-wing racists who fundamentally are against equal rights for men and
women," Fatah said of the endorsement of some form of sharia law.
"The proponents of sharia in Canada are not concerned about family
law, they are concerned about bringing justification for introducing sharia
and legitimizing it."
But Boyd repeatedly stressed that the term "sharia" is not what is
being proposed by the Islamic Institute for Civil Justice, adding the
1,400-year-old set of rules and laws covers criminal and civil matters and
is often incompatible with Canadian law.
"We're being very clear, this is not sharia law," Boyd told a news
conference. "This is Muslim religious principles within Canadian law."
But, she conceded, in all cases of arbitration, whether religious or
not, it is up to the people involved to stand up for their own rights. "It's
a bit of consumer beware that I think is very real in this area."
Boyd also said in an interview later, "I'm not naďve enough to think
this is the end of it."
Although some critics are firmly opposed to the use of the Arbitration
Act by any religious group, she said she couldn't "in good conscience" tell
the government to end it because "it would set back family law by 30 years."
But anyone who interprets the report as giving priority to
multiculturalism over female equality is "misreading" it: "It's a
recognition that (sharia arbitrations) are already happening - the first one
here was in 1982. But there is no way to scrutinize them.
"If they stay underground, Muslim women will be more vulnerable."
Boyd also told the news conference she believes strengthening the
existing system of arbitration, including mandating domestic violence
awareness training for arbitrators, will help reduce the number of informal,
religious-based family dispute resolutions that happen without any
oversight.
Critics of any use of sharia law in Canada point to examples of what
some Muslim societies consider to be acceptable levels of spousal support
when a marriage ends - anywhere from three months to a year's worth of
support - compared to a Canadian norm of much more long-term support for a
former spouse and children.
"I think Boyd made up her mind before she even started because she
hasn't taken into consideration anything we said. It's like she didn't hear
us," said Alia Hogben, executive director of the 900-member Canadian Council
of Muslim Women.
Boyd's report recommends a greater right of appeal for arbitrations,
but puts the onus on Muslim women to take that step, said Hogben, "but how
would many women have the wherewithal to do that?"
"We just hope that the attorney-general freezes the report until a
proper investigation is done," said Homa Arjomand, head of the International
Campaign to Stop Sharia Courts in Canada.
The campaign argued that while, technically, Muslim women will have
access to Canadian laws and court, and the legal system will undoubtedly
reject oppressive decisions, "the reality is that most women (will) be
coerced socially, economically or psychologically" into participating in
sharia tribunals.
Boyd's report calls on arbitrators to affirm that they have
interviewed the couple in dispute separately to determine that both parties
are participating of their own free will and to rule out any possible
domestic violence issues.
All of the groups opposed to any use of sharia said they will
aggressively press the Liberal government and Attorney-General Michael
Bryant to reject Boyd's findings and put an end to arbitrations that rely on
Muslim laws.
But Syed Mumtaz Ali, a lawyer for the Islamic Institute for Civil
Justice, said he was "delighted" with Boyd's findings and added that many of
the 46 recommendations for strengthening the Arbitration Act came from him.
"It's a model for the whole world to see how sharia law can be used in
a Western society," Mumtaz Ali said in an interview. He added that while
sharia is a misnomer in terms of the type of family disputes at issue, he
said it is the term most people recognize and associate with Muslim beliefs
being applied through the law.
Mumtaz Ali said Muslim principles require Muslims to believe in one
God and to commit to obeying the law in the country where they live. He said
the advantage of sharia-type arbitration is that participants are compelled
by their religious beliefs to uphold the law, an extra onus that will make
for fair treatment of all parties in the dispute.
"Canadian laws prevail, sharia law takes a backseat," he said of the
plan he envisions for arbitration.
He said many people in the community are anxious to proceed with
sharia-based arbitration and plans have been in limbo awaiting Boyd's
report.
Len Rudner of the Canadian Jewish Congress said the group felt Boyd
struck a fair balance between the needs of the individuals and those of the
community. "She appears to have done a good job of that," he said.
with files from Lynda Hurst
TONY BLAIRE, FUCKU0PSUCKSUCLK
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23 Dec 2004 09:27:26 AM |
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"Grantland" <mithril@iafrica.com> wrote in message
news:41c93da0.185617043@ct-news.iafrica.com...
"Jane" <pussslicke@hotmail.com> wrote:
<snip>
Does it give you a little thrill to change my e-mail address like that?
Jane
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22 Dec 2004 06:46:28 AM |
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The Liberals are cheering this show of "diversity".
Tony
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22 Dec 2004 09:25:07 AM |
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"TonyZ2001" <tonyz2001@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20041222074628.05986.00001509@mb-m19.aol.com...
The Liberals are cheering this show of "diversity".
Tony
The thin edge of the wedge, IMHO.
Jane
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22 Dec 2004 04:37:22 PM |
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In article <klgyd.10698$Z%3.657651@news20.bellglobal.com>, "Jane" <pushlinque@hotmail.com> wrote:
"TonyZ2001" <tonyz2001@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20041222074628.05986.00001509@mb-m19.aol.com...
The Liberals are cheering this show of "diversity".
Tony
The thin edge of the wedge, IMHO.
I don't see how anyone other than fundie Muslims could possibly cheer this.
Woods
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22 Dec 2004 09:39:39 PM |
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"Woodswun" <woodswun@tepidmail.com> wrote in message
news:CGmyd.87662$AL5.24304@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
In article <klgyd.10698$Z%3.657651@news20.bellglobal.com>, "Jane"
<pushlinque@hotmail.com> wrote:
"TonyZ2001" <tonyz2001@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20041222074628.05986.00001509@mb-m19.aol.com...
The Liberals are cheering this show of "diversity".
Tony
The thin edge of the wedge, IMHO.
I don't see how anyone other than fundie Muslims could possibly cheer
this.
Are you kidding? I've heard that thousand upon thousands of people are
registering with their local mosques to convert to Islam in order to be
eligible to use the new court system which offers many advantages, great and
small, over the traditional, out of date civil system.
It's only Ontario now, but soon all peoples in the United Provinces of
Canada will be able to have a Mullah read them their marriage bows and
decide the faith of their wills.
Cheers,
Stat.
Woods
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22 Dec 2004 10:56:42 PM |
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"MonsieurStat" <monsieurstat@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:56ryd.28165$GK5.1369244@news20.bellglobal.com...
"Woodswun" <woodswun@tepidmail.com> wrote in message
news:CGmyd.87662$AL5.24304@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
In article <klgyd.10698$Z%3.657651@news20.bellglobal.com>, "Jane"
<pushlinque@hotmail.com> wrote:
"TonyZ2001" <tonyz2001@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20041222074628.05986.00001509@mb-m19.aol.com...
The Liberals are cheering this show of "diversity".
Tony
The thin edge of the wedge, IMHO.
I don't see how anyone other than fundie Muslims could possibly cheer
this.
Are you kidding? I've heard that thousand upon thousands of people are
registering with their local mosques to convert to Islam in order to be
eligible to use the new court system which offers many advantages, great
and
small, over the traditional, out of date civil system.
Balderdash says I!
It's only Ontario now, but soon all peoples in the United Provinces of
Canada will be able to have a Mullah read them their marriage bows and
decide the faith of their wills.
Cheers,
Stat.
I'd laugh, but unfortunately I believe the day is coming. Hopefully, some
part of Canada will secede and I can go with it!
Jane
Woods
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23 Dec 2004 12:25:17 AM |
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"Jane" <pushlinque@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:7esyd.13272$Z%3.796489@news20.bellglobal.com...
"MonsieurStat" <monsieurstat@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:56ryd.28165$GK5.1369244@news20.bellglobal.com...
"Woodswun" <woodswun@tepidmail.com> wrote in message
news:CGmyd.87662$AL5.24304@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
In article <klgyd.10698$Z%3.657651@news20.bellglobal.com>, "Jane"
<pushlinque@hotmail.com> wrote:
"TonyZ2001" <tonyz2001@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20041222074628.05986.00001509@mb-m19.aol.com...
The Liberals are cheering this show of "diversity".
Tony
The thin edge of the wedge, IMHO.
I don't see how anyone other than fundie Muslims could possibly cheer
this.
Are you kidding? I've heard that thousand upon thousands of people are
registering with their local mosques to convert to Islam in order to be
eligible to use the new court system which offers many advantages, great
and
small, over the traditional, out of date civil system.
Balderdash says I!
But it figures. When State fails in protecting people through its own
justice system, people invent other ways. Take an average Muslim couple who
wants to get divorced, and don't agree on the division of their property. If
they go through the regular system, lawyers and court fees will clean them
up before they reach a decision. They both end up with nothing. Where as
with this system, at least they have a shot at a way out. They always have
the choice to reject the Sharia court's decision and go through the regular
system. I predict that eventually all groups will have their own court
system. It's called the privatization of the Justice System.
It's only Ontario now, but soon all peoples in the United Provinces of
Canada will be able to have a Mullah read them their marriage bows and
decide the faith of their wills.
Cheers,
Stat.
I'd laugh, but unfortunately I believe the day is coming. Hopefully, some
part of Canada will secede and I can go with it!
UPC will be minus Quebec, so start sharpening your French:-)
Stat.
Jane
Woods
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23 Dec 2004 09:29:56 AM |
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"MonsieurStat" <monsieurstat@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:pxtyd.28343$GK5.1425425@news20.bellglobal.com...
"Jane" <pushlinque@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:7esyd.13272$Z%3.796489@news20.bellglobal.com...
"MonsieurStat" <monsieurstat@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:56ryd.28165$GK5.1369244@news20.bellglobal.com...
"Woodswun" <woodswun@tepidmail.com> wrote in message
news:CGmyd.87662$AL5.24304@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
In article <klgyd.10698$Z%3.657651@news20.bellglobal.com>, "Jane"
<pushlinque@hotmail.com> wrote:
"TonyZ2001" <tonyz2001@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20041222074628.05986.00001509@mb-m19.aol.com...
The Liberals are cheering this show of "diversity".
Tony
The thin edge of the wedge, IMHO.
I don't see how anyone other than fundie Muslims could possibly cheer
this.
Are you kidding? I've heard that thousand upon thousands of people are
registering with their local mosques to convert to Islam in order to be
eligible to use the new court system which offers many advantages,
great
and
small, over the traditional, out of date civil system.
Balderdash says I!
But it figures. When State fails in protecting people through its own
justice system, people invent other ways. Take an average Muslim couple
who
wants to get divorced, and don't agree on the division of their property.
If
they go through the regular system, lawyers and court fees will clean them
up before they reach a decision. They both end up with nothing. Where as
with this system, at least they have a shot at a way out. They always have
the choice to reject the Sharia court's decision and go through the
regular
system. I predict that eventually all groups will have their own court
system. It's called the privatization of the Justice System.
It's only Ontario now, but soon all peoples in the United Provinces of
Canada will be able to have a Mullah read them their marriage bows and
decide the faith of their wills.
Cheers,
Stat.
I'd laugh, but unfortunately I believe the day is coming. Hopefully,
some
part of Canada will secede and I can go with it!
UPC will be minus Quebec, so start sharpening your French:-)
Stat.
I grew up in Quebec; my French is rusty, but it would come back to me if I
were immersed in it. I think your UPC would also be minus Alberta and
possibly BC and parts of Ontario (with any luck).
Jane
Jane
Woods
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23 Dec 2004 08:50:17 AM |
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"Jane"
wrote:
I'd laugh, but unfortunately I believe the >day is coming. Hopefully, some
part of Canada will secede and I can go >with it!
Come on down Jane, the USA needs more people like you.
Tony
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23 Dec 2004 09:31:35 AM |
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"TonyZ2001" <tonyz2001@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20041223095017.21640.00002192@mb-m12.aol.com...
"Jane"
wrote:
I'd laugh, but unfortunately I believe the >day is coming. Hopefully,
some
part of Canada will secede and I can go >with it!
Come on down Jane, the USA needs more people like you.
Tony
Thanks! I might have to go there someday...unless I can take refuge in
Alberta, :)!
Jane
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23 Dec 2004 09:57:41 AM |
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Jane wrote:
"TonyZ2001" <tonyz2001@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20041223095017.21640.00002192@mb-m12.aol.com...
"Jane"
wrote:
I'd laugh, but unfortunately I believe the >day is coming. Hopefully,
some
part of Canada will secede and I can go >with it!
Come on down Jane, the USA needs more people like you.
Tony
Thanks! I might have to go there someday...unless I can take refuge in
Alberta, :)!
Don't forget your pantyhose and lube.
(not addressed to you directly)
-A
Jane
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24 Dec 2004 05:47:35 AM |
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Absolute Zero
wrote:
Jane wrote:
"TonyZ2001" <tonyz2001@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20041223095017.21640.00002192@mb-m12.aol.com...
"Jane"
wrote:
I'd laugh, but unfortunately I believe the >day is coming. Hopefully,
some
part of Canada will secede and I can go >with it!
Come on down Jane, the USA needs more people like you.
Tony
Thanks! I might have to go there someday...unless I can take refuge in
Alberta, :)!
Don't forget your pantyhose and lube.
(not addressed to you directly)
-A
Once again you prove that you are one sick, obsessed wacko.
Why is this constantly in your thoughts Amy?
Tony
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24 Dec 2004 06:00:12 AM |
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TonyZ2001 wrote:
Absolute Zero
wrote:
Jane wrote:
"TonyZ2001" <tonyz2001@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20041223095017.21640.00002192@mb-m12.aol.com...
"Jane"
wrote:
I'd laugh, but unfortunately I believe the >day is coming. Hopefully,
some
part of Canada will secede and I can go >with it!
Come on down Jane, the USA needs more people like you.
Tony
Thanks! I might have to go there someday...unless I can take refuge in
Alberta, :)!
Don't forget your pantyhose and lube.
(not addressed to you directly)
-A
Once again you prove that you are one sick, obsessed wacko.
Why is this constantly in your thoughts Amy?
Because it's damn funny.
-A
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24 Dec 2004 06:01:29 AM |
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Absolute Zero
wrote:
TonyZ2001 wrote:
Absolute Zero
wrote:
Jane wrote:
"TonyZ2001" <tonyz2001@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20041223095017.21640.00002192@mb-m12.aol.com...
"Jane"
wrote:
I'd laugh, but unfortunately I believe the >day is coming. Hopefully,
some
part of Canada will secede and I can go >with it!
Come on down Jane, the USA needs more people like you.
Tony
Thanks! I might have to go there someday...unless I can take refuge in
Alberta, :)!
Don't forget your pantyhose and lube.
(not addressed to you directly)
-A
Once again you prove that you are one sick, obsessed wacko.
Why is this constantly in your >>thoughts Amy?
Because it's damn funny.
-A
Only to a sick, obsessed mind, which you just showed again.
Tony
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24 Dec 2004 06:55:19 AM |
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"TonyZ2001" <tonyz2001@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20041224070129.08198.00002761@mb-m04.aol.com...
Once again you prove that you are one sick, obsessed wacko.
Why is this constantly in your >>thoughts Amy?
Because it's damn funny.
Which it is providing you're not the impotent, steroid bloated, son of
a cheap hooker who made those posts in the first place.
Only to a sick, obsessed mind, which you just showed again.
You don't like people making fun of your hobbies do you tone?
you really do take them seriously ;0)
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krib
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| User: "TonyZ2001" |
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| Title: Re: Sharia Court is a go! Sad day for Ontario! |
24 Dec 2004 07:21:53 AM |
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Krib" <krib@address.invalid
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"TonyZ2001" <tonyz2001@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20041224070129.08198.00002761@mb-m04.aol.com...
Once again you prove that you are one sick, obsessed wacko.
Why is this constantly in your >>thoughts Amy?
Because it's damn funny.
Which it is providing you're not the >impotent, steroid bloated, son of
a cheap hooker who made those posts in >the first place.
Stop trying to cover up Amy' sick mind, don't try to confuse the issue with
posts from 7 years ago.
Amy has these thoughts in her head now, in a newgroup that has nothing to do
with that type of thing. Why is that?
Only to a sick, obsessed mind, which >>you just showed again.
You don't like people making fun of your >hobbies do you tone?
Seems it's Amy's hobby, and yours as well, certainly isn't mine.
Tony
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| User: "Absolute Zero" |
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| Title: Re: Sharia Court is a go! Sad day for Ontario! |
24 Dec 2004 07:26:06 AM |
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TonyZ2001 wrote:
Absolute Zero
wrote:
TonyZ2001 wrote:
Absolute Zero
wrote:
Jane wrote:
"TonyZ2001" <tonyz2001@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20041223095017.21640.00002192@mb-m12.aol.com...
"Jane"
wrote:
I'd laugh, but unfortunately I believe the >day is coming. Hopefully,
some
part of Canada will secede and I can go >with it!
Come on down Jane, the USA needs more people like you.
Tony
Thanks! I might have to go there someday...unless I can take refuge in
Alberta, :)!
Don't forget your pantyhose and lube.
(not addressed to you directly)
-A
Once again you prove that you are one sick, obsessed wacko.
Why is this constantly in your >>thoughts Amy?
Because it's damn funny.
-A
Only to a sick, obsessed mind, which you just showed again.
"I have some HCG with 30 gauge syringes, where
should the injection be given and how deep do
you have to penetrate the skin?"
Damn disturbing.
-A
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| User: "TonyZ2001" |
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| Title: Re: Sharia Court is a go! Sad day for Ontario! |
24 Dec 2004 07:28:36 AM |
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Amy has obviously flipped out because she has been defeated and is fearful of
being called on to live up to her word, which of course she is incapable of
doing.
Tony
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| User: "Absolute Zero" |
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| Title: Re: Sharia Court is a go! Sad day for Ontario! |
24 Dec 2004 06:35:04 PM |
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TonyZ2001 wrote:
Amy has obviously flipped out because she has been defeated
Oh btw, you're fantasising again... in four years of thoroughly thwarted
toil you've yet to chalk a success. Keep trying, dim-bulb.
and is fearful of
being called on to live up to her word, which of course she is
incapable of doing.
Do you have an example of me failing to live up to my word?
Didn't you say you were leaving soon, about six weeks ago?
-A
Tony
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| User: "Absolute Zero" |
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| Title: Re: Sharia Court is a go! Sad day for Ontario! |
24 Dec 2004 07:42:13 AM |
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TonyZ2001 wrote:
Amy has obviously flipped out because she has been defeated and is fearful of
being called on to live up to her word, which of course she is incapable of
doing.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
I've taken the bet on myself.
-A
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| User: "Absolute Zero" |
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| Title: Re: Sharia Court is a go! Sad day for Ontario! |
24 Dec 2004 07:07:28 AM |
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TonyZ2001 wrote:
Absolute Zero
wrote:
TonyZ2001 wrote:
Absolute Zero
wrote:
Jane wrote:
"TonyZ2001" <tonyz2001@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20041223095017.21640.00002192@mb-m12.aol.com...
"Jane"
wrote:
I'd laugh, but unfortunately I believe the >day is coming. Hopefully,
some
part of Canada will secede and I can go >with it!
Come on down Jane, the USA needs more people like you.
Tony
Thanks! I might have to go there someday...unless I can take refuge in
Alberta, :)!
Don't forget your pantyhose and lube.
(not addressed to you directly)
-A
Once again you prove that you are one sick, obsessed wacko.
Why is this constantly in your >>thoughts Amy?
Because it's damn funny.
-A
Only to a sick, obsessed mind, which you just showed again.
"Tony (35 5' 10" 190 muscular, black hair, brown eyes, 8" *****)"
Damn funny.
-A
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| User: "Absolute Zero" |
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| Title: Re: Sharia Court is a go! Sad day for Ontario! |
24 Dec 2004 07:18:17 AM |
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TonyZ2001 wrote:
Absolute Zero
wrote:
TonyZ2001 wrote:
Absolute Zero
wrote:
Jane wrote:
"TonyZ2001" <tonyz2001@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20041223095017.21640.00002192@mb-m12.aol.com...
"Jane"
wrote:
I'd laugh, but unfortunately I believe the >day is coming. Hopefully,
some
part of Canada will secede and I can go >with it!
Come on down Jane, the USA needs more people like you.
Tony
Thanks! I might have to go there someday...unless I can take refuge in
Alberta, :)!
Don't forget your pantyhose and lube.
(not addressed to you directly)
-A
Once again you prove that you are one sick, obsessed wacko.
Why is this constantly in your >>thoughts Amy?
Because it's damn funny.
-A
Only to a sick, obsessed mind, which you just showed again.
"Tracey, Suck his *****, then let us know how it was. ok?"
Damn funny.
-A
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| User: "Absolute Zero" |
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| Title: Re: Sharia Court is a go! Sad day for Ontario! |
24 Dec 2004 04:13:49 PM |
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Absolute Zero wrote:
TonyZ2001 wrote:
Absolute Zero
wrote:
TonyZ2001 wrote:
Absolute Zero
wrote:
Jane wrote:
"TonyZ2001" <tonyz2001@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20041223095017.21640.00002192@mb-m12.aol.com...
"Jane"
wrote:
I'd laugh, but unfortunately I believe the >day is coming.
Hopefully,
some
part of Canada will secede and I can go >with it!
Come on down Jane, the USA needs more people like you.
Tony
Thanks! I might have to go there someday...unless I can take
refuge in
Alberta, :)!
Don't forget your pantyhose and lube.
(not addressed to you directly)
-A
Once again you prove that you are one sick, obsessed wacko.
Why is this constantly in your >>thoughts Amy?
Because it's damn funny.
-A
Only to a sick, obsessed mind, which you just showed again.
"Tracey, Suck his *****, then let us know how it was. ok?"
Damn funny.
Oops, disturbing... that was her brother!
-A
-A
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| User: "TonyZ2001" |
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| Title: Re: Sharia Court is a go! Sad day for Ontario! |
25 Dec 2004 05:28:19 AM |
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Absolute Zero
wrote:
Absolute Zero wrote:
TonyZ2001 wrote:
Absolute Zero
wrote:
TonyZ2001 wrote:
Absolute Zero
wrote:
Jane wrote:
"TonyZ2001" <tonyz2001@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20041223095017.21640.00002192@mb-m12.aol.com...
"Jane"
wrote:
I'd laugh, but unfortunately I believe the >day is coming.
Hopefully,
some
part of Canada will secede and I can go >with it!
Come on down Jane, the USA needs more people like you.
Tony
Thanks! I might have to go there someday...unless I can take
refuge in
Alberta, :)!
Don't forget your pantyhose and lube.
(not addressed to you directly)
-A
Once again you prove that you are one sick, obsessed wacko.
Why is this constantly in your >>thoughts Amy?
Because it's damn funny.
-A
Only to a sick, obsessed mind, which you just showed again.
"Tracey, Suck his *****, then let us know how it was. ok?"
Damn funny.
Oops, disturbing... that was her brother!
-A
You know what's really funny? I'll tell ya, that you and some other clowns here
actually think that this guy posted a picture of his sister, it was all a joke,
not real, make believe, and yet 7 years later you're totally obsessed with it.
Tony
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| User: "Absolute Zero" |
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| Title: Re: Sharia Court is a go! Sad day for Ontario! |
25 Dec 2004 08:07:04 PM |
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TonyZ2001 wrote:
Absolute Zero
wrote:
Absolute Zero wrote:
TonyZ2001 wrote:
Absolute Zero
wrote:
TonyZ2001 wrote:
Absolute Zero
wrote:
Jane wrote:
"TonyZ2001" <tonyz2001@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20041223095017.21640.00002192@mb-m12.aol.com...
"Jane"
wrote:
I'd laugh, but unfortunately I believe the >day is coming.
Hopefully,
some
part of Canada will secede and I can go >with it!
Come on down Jane, the USA needs more people like you.
Tony
Thanks! I might have to go there someday...unless I can take
refuge in
Alberta, :)!
Don't forget your pantyhose and lube.
(not addressed to you directly)
-A
Once again you prove that you are one sick, obsessed wacko.
Why is this constantly in your >>thoughts Amy?
Because it's damn funny.
-A
Only to a sick, obsessed mind, which you just showed again.
"Tracey, Suck his *****, then let us know how it was. ok?"
Damn funny.
Oops, disturbing... that was her brother!
-A
You know what's really funny?
You?
I'll tell ya, that you and some other clowns here
actually think that this guy posted a picture of his sister, it was all a joke,
not real, make believe, and yet 7 years later you're totally obsessed with it.
Do you have any links to back that up? I looked into 'Tracey' as much as
I was able and couldn't see anything to suggest it was a setup. What's
your motivation... to get others excited by the idea? Do you really
think that looks better for you?
Are you suggesting that 7 years later we have the all new improved
super-Tone that doesn't wallow in filth whilst hypocritically decrying
others morals in this group?
You’ve been spotted posting in binary groups this year using your normal
email address, not even bothering with the usual camouflage.
Related to that, I note you've contacted the Microsoft Usenet search
site to request anonymity... why is that Tony? What are you hiding these
days?
I assume that dumb as you are, you've created some new addresses for
your porno pastimes, and will take a little more care not to
accidentally link yourself from now on. But even so, I’ve still got the
pictures of Mrs Z that you so generously donated to the internet... so
don’t push your luck.
Oh, and as you pound out a reply with your fists, please try to realize
for once, that it's not your obsession with porn, I really couldn't care
less, it's the HYPOCRISY.
I have one other suggestion, because from experience you just don’t get
it. If I post something relatively innocuous such as “Get your tongue
any further down his throat and you're going to hit Nordic colon” - It
would pay you not to imply that my mind were full of deviant thought,
else it’ll land right back in your face.
0Wn3D
-A
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| User: "TonyZ2001" |
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| Title: Re: Sharia Court is a go! Sad day for Ontario! |
26 Dec 2004 09:45:57 AM |
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Absolute Zero
wrote:
Related to that, I note you've contacted >the Microsoft Usenet search
site to request anonymity... why is that >Tony?
LOL!!! You're a sick *****, anyone who may have had doubts should have had
them washed away with this post.
If I post something relatively innocuous such as “Get your tongue
any further down his throat and you're going to hit Nordic colon” - It
would pay you not to imply that my mind >were full of deviant thought,
Well dear, the thought comes from your sick mind, not mine. Stop trying to make
excuses for your sick thoughts.
Tony
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| User: "Absolute Zero" |
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| Title: Re: Sharia Court is a go! Sad day for Ontario! |
26 Dec 2004 09:56:52 AM |
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TonyZ2001 wrote:
Absolute Zero
wrote:
Related to that, I note you've contacted >the Microsoft Usenet search
site to request anonymity... why is that >Tony?
LOL!!! You're a sick *****, anyone who may have had doubts should have had
them washed away with this post.
If I post something relatively innocuous such as “Get your tongue
any further down his throat and you're going to hit Nordic colon” - It
would pay you not to imply that my mind >were full of deviant thought,
Well dear, the thought comes from your sick mind, not mine. Stop trying to make
excuses for your sick thoughts.
Tony
You did it again, what kind of a masochist are you?
"Tracey, Suck his *****, then let us know how it was. ok?"
"Tony (35 5' 10" 190 muscular, black hair, brown eyes, 8" *****)"
***************************************************
Member Name: Tony Italian Stallion Stud for the ladies
Location: Jersey City, NJ e-mail for info baby!
Sex: Male
Marital Status: Huh? I'll do you right
Hobbies: workingout, boxing, bowling, women, women, women
Computers: Let me pleasure you like your husband can't or won't. ;-)
Occupation: Escort (FOR WOMEN ONLY) pleasing women at a reasonable
price
e-mail for info baby!
Personal Quote: Just do it !!
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"What is the going price for Oxcodone 40mg tab on the street?"
"That much? I'm sitting on 200 of these jokers. Thanks for the info."
"I have some HCG with 30 gauge syringes, where
should the injection be given and how deep do
you have to penetrate the skin?"
-A
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| User: "TonyZ2001" |
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| Title: Re: Sharia Court is a go! Sad day for Ontario! |
26 Dec 2004 10:01:46 AM |
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Absolute Zero
wrote:
TonyZ2001 wrote:
Absolute Zero
wrote:
Related to that, I note you've contacted >the Microsoft Usenet search
site to request anonymity... why is that >Tony?
LOL!!! You're a sick *****, anyone who may have had doubts should have
had
them washed away with this post.
If I post something relatively innocuous such as “Get your tongue
any further down his throat and you're going to hit Nordic colon” - It
would pay you not to imply that my mind >were full of deviant thought,
Well dear, the thought comes from your sick mind, not mine. Stop trying to
make
excuses for your sick thoughts.
Tony
You did it again,
Yep, once again I exposed you as a very sick, obsessed woman who just can't get
these thoughts out of her head.
You're a sad sight.
Tony
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| User: "Absolute Zero" |
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| Title: Re: Sharia Court is a go! Sad day for Ontario! |
26 Dec 2004 10:09:49 AM |
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TonyZ2001 wrote:
Absolute Zero
wrote:
TonyZ2001 wrote:
Absolute Zero
wrote:
Related to that, I note you've contacted >the Microsoft Usenet search
site to request anonymity... why is that >Tony?
LOL!!! You're a sick *****, anyone who may have had doubts should have
had
them washed away with this post.
If I post something relatively innocuous such as “Get your tongue
any further down his throat and you're going to hit Nordic colon” - It
would pay you not to imply that my mind >were full of deviant thought,
Well dear, the thought comes from your sick mind, not mine. Stop trying to
make
excuses for your sick thoughts.
Tony
You did it again,
Yep, once again I exposed you as a very sick, obsessed woman who just can't get
these thoughts out of her head.
You're a sad sight.
"Tracey, Suck his *****, then let us know how it was. ok?"
"Tony (35 5' 10" 190 muscular, black hair, brown eyes, 8" *****)"
***************************************************
Member Name: Tony Italian Stallion Stud for the ladies
Location: Jersey City, NJ e-mail for info baby!
Sex: Male
Marital Status: Huh? I'll do you right
Hobbies: workingout, boxing, bowling, women, women, women
Computers: Let me pleasure you like your husband can't or won't. ;-)
Occupation: Escort (FOR WOMEN ONLY) pleasing women at a reasonable
price
e-mail for info baby!
Personal Quote: Just do it !!
*********************************************************************
"What is the going price for Oxcodone 40mg tab on the street?"
"That much? I'm sitting on 200 of these jokers. Thanks for the info."
"I have some HCG with 30 gauge syringes, where
should the injection be given and how deep do
you have to penetrate the skin?"
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