If they are using this war tactic on us, why not use the same on them. An
eye for an eye, don't you think?
It's a bazaar concept, but could it work? Could the West accomplish
political goals by using terror tactics? Is it possible for an 'advanced
culture' to use terror tactics to effectively control populations? I think
it could work. What would be the down side?
I am not addressing the 'morality' of it, but the 'feasibility'.
Could terrorism be used as a means to effectively control of populations?
What do you think? Or am I just nuts!!!
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02 Aug 2006 04:08:18 PM |
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"bye" <3@4.com> wrote in message news:ah8Ag.306198$Mn5.292539@pd7tw3no...
If they are using this war tactic on us, why not use the same on them. An
eye for an eye, don't you think?
Yes, nuke Mecca! Nuke Medina! Nuke Teheran! Tear down the Al Aqsa Mosque!
Build a temple in it's place and put a pig on the altar.
Sheesh, all this prophetic tension is getting to me.
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| User: "Krib" |
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03 Aug 2006 03:00:52 AM |
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"bye" <3@4.com> wrote in message news:ah8Ag.306198$Mn5.292539@pd7tw3no...
If they are using this war tactic on us, why not use the same on them. An eye for an eye, don't
you think?
No, any conflict will eventually need a political settlement to end it, that's what
armed forces are for - to force the other side to seek it first and on lesser terms.
It's a bazaar concept, but could it work?
No, it doesn't work for terrorists why would it work for "us"?
Could the West accomplish political goals by using terror tactics?
No, decades of terrorist attacks on the UK mainland never accomplished the
goals that were sought, it took political movement to just get where we are
today. All those incidents in the USA, UK and elsewhere will not accomplish
the set goals of those that perpetrate them. Although some changes are wrought
it also, generally, increases the resolve of those being attacked to not give in
to the perpetrators.
Is it possible for an 'advanced culture' to use terror tactics to effectively control populations?
No and there's no need, look at how politicians already control countries through
its wealth and infrastructure, therre's no need for terrorism.
I think it could work. What would be the down side?
Probably armed insurrection, civil war, revolution.
Could terrorism be used as a means to effectively control of populations? What do you think? Or am
I just nuts!!!
Not nuts just not thinking it through logically.
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| User: "Woodswun" |
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02 Aug 2006 04:41:33 PM |
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On Wed, 02 Aug 2006 20:53:26 +0000, bye wrote:
If they are using this war tactic on us, why not use the same on them. An
eye for an eye, don't you think?
No.
It's a bazaar concept, but could it work? Could the West accomplish
political goals by using terror tactics? Is it possible for an 'advanced
culture' to use terror tactics to effectively control populations? I think
it could work. What would be the down side?
I think it would have just the opposite effect of what we'd like to see.
I am not addressing the 'morality' of it, but the 'feasibility'.
Not really, you're asking about the "should", rather than "can".
(Feasibility has to do with whether or not it's possible, rather than
whether or not it is likely to produce the desired outcome).
Could terrorism be used as a means to effectively control of
populations? What do you think? Or am I just nuts!!!
I think it would bring chaos.
Woods
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| User: "eric" |
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02 Aug 2006 04:15:31 PM |
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Well Israel, and the U.S. already use State terrorism. Why blow up
civilians with suicide bombers, when you have advanced figher jets, and
pilotless drones that fire hellfire missiles?
Boy, you must be about 12 years old. Or less.
bye wrote:
If they are using this war tactic on us, why not use the same on them. An
eye for an eye, don't you think?
It's a bazaar concept, but could it work? Could the West accomplish
political goals by using terror tactics? Is it possible for an 'advanced
culture' to use terror tactics to effectively control populations? I think
it could work. What would be the down side?
I am not addressing the 'morality' of it, but the 'feasibility'.
Could terrorism be used as a means to effectively control of populations?
What do you think? Or am I just nuts!!!
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| User: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Styrbj=F6rn?=" |
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02 Aug 2006 04:06:07 PM |
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bye wrote / skrev:
If they are using this war tactic on us, why not use the same on them. An
eye for an eye, don't you think?
It's a bazaar concept, but could it work? Could the West accomplish
political goals by using terror tactics? Is it possible for an 'advanced
culture' to use terror tactics to effectively control populations? I think
it could work. What would be the down side?
I am not addressing the 'morality' of it, but the 'feasibility'.
Could terrorism be used as a means to effectively control of populations?
What do you think? Or am I just nuts!!!
Oh, you are nuts. (Imagine that statement coming from Kramer!) :-)
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| User: "Werewolfy" |
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02 Aug 2006 06:15:08 PM |
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bye wrote:
Could terrorism be used as a means to effectively control of populations?
What do you think? Or am I just nuts!!!
Makes me think of the film, 'Logan's Run'.
I doubt that the Earth is able to support us for too many more years.
The population increase is quite staggering really.
'Natural selection' or 'Extinction' could take many forms. Perhaps we
will progress through technology, and just about cope...but perhaps
not. I think that 'Terrorism' would have to be on an enormous
scale...but who knows?
Werewolfy
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| User: "Perseid" |
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02 Aug 2006 07:45:55 PM |
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"Werewolfy" <thegrimreaper10@lycos.com> Spat the Words
bye wrote:
Could terrorism be used as a means to effectively control of populations?
What do you think? Or am I just nuts!!!
Makes me think of the film, 'Logan's Run'.
I doubt that the Earth is able to support us for too many more years.
The population increase is quite staggering really.
'Natural selection' or 'Extinction' could take many forms. Perhaps we
will progress through technology, and just about cope...but perhaps
not. I think that 'Terrorism' would have to be on an enormous
scale...but who knows?
Werewolfy
What about Orwell's 1984 ? The people were so well conditioned
that they accepted a lifestyle we would never accept. The mindset
was it's always been this way, so this is normal. As long as they
believed that big brother was always watching then they knew
they could never get away with anything and they would never
step out of line. I think a government spying on it's citizens
is a form of terrorism.
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| User: "Krib" |
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03 Aug 2006 03:00:50 AM |
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"Perseid" <eidpers@anti-spam.comcast.net> wrote in message
news:Xns9813BEE3E752Arrfkwrantispamattbic@216.196.97.136...
What about Orwell's 1984 ? The people were so well conditioned
that they accepted a lifestyle we would never accept.
Interesting analogy, given that the UK has the most CCTV's in Europe
and that policing seems to have become a form of tax collection here
I'd say we're already accepting that lifestyle.
Think of where you live and how often you're monitored in public buildings,
on roads, travel hubs like airports and rail stations, shops, garages etc
Although it's not the dystopian society that Orwell propounded I'd say
it's quite an up to date version of it.
The mindset was it's always been this way, so this is normal. As long as they
believed that big brother was always watching then they knew they could
never get away with anything and they would never step out of line.
Agreed, that seems to be the thinking behind the massive increase of CCTV.
I think a government spying on it's citizens is a form of terrorism.
Certainly a measure of control, if they had their way, (and they might still),
our lot want black boxes in every car that monitors speed to ensure we
don't break the law, (also useful for knowing exactly where any car has been at
any given time).
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| User: "Perseid" |
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04 Aug 2006 02:18:41 AM |
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"Krib" <kribuk@gmailREMOVECAPS.com> Spat the Words
"Perseid" <eidpers@anti-spam.comcast.net> wrote in message
news:Xns9813BEE3E752Arrfkwrantispamattbic@216.196.97.136...
What about Orwell's 1984 ? The people were so well conditioned
that they accepted a lifestyle we would never accept.
Interesting analogy, given that the UK has the most CCTV's in Europe
and that policing seems to have become a form of tax collection here
I'd say we're already accepting that lifestyle.
Think of where you live and how often you're monitored in public
buildings, on roads, travel hubs like airports and rail stations, shops,
garages etc Although it's not the dystopian society that Orwell
propounded I'd say it's quite an up to date version of it.
That's about right. We're essentially living in Orwell's 1984
right now, and I would accept the entire premise and argument
but for one fact... we witness every day our elected representatives
and other outspoken parties hurling verbal barrages and doing
verbal battle over issues of the day, and the free media being
free to dig up as much dirt as they can find on our elected
representatives, and we witness all this on television with
only a short time delay (a few hours at most). If it weren't
for these facts I'd say big brother completely controls us. We
still have some measure of control through an elected government,
a free media, and the freedom of speech to become a proponent or
advocate on some important issue.
It is certainly true we're being monitored by camera and
microphone almost everywhere in public.
Once our freedom to speak out and to report news freely is
taken away from us, then we are that much closer to Orwell's
mindless, classless state (then we might as well be put into
the Matrix and harvested for our bio-chemical energy).
The mindset was it's always been this way, so this is normal. As long
as they believed that big brother was always watching then they knew
they could never get away with anything and they would never step out
of line.
Agreed, that seems to be the thinking behind the massive increase of
CCTV.
I think a government spying on it's citizens is a form of terrorism.
Certainly a measure of control, if they had their way, (and they might
still), our lot want black boxes in every car that monitors speed to
ensure we don't break the law, (also useful for knowing exactly where
any car has been at any given time).
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| User: "John Lemke" |
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04 Aug 2006 06:03:55 AM |
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"Perseid" <eidpers@anti-spam.comcast.net> wrote in message
news:Xns9815D5787EBBrrfkwrantispamattbic@216.196.97.136...
"Krib" <kribuk@gmailREMOVECAPS.com> Spat the Words
"Perseid" <eidpers@anti-spam.comcast.net> wrote in message
news:Xns9813BEE3E752Arrfkwrantispamattbic@216.196.97.136...
What about Orwell's 1984 ? The people were so well conditioned
that they accepted a lifestyle we would never accept.
Interesting analogy, given that the UK has the most CCTV's in Europe
and that policing seems to have become a form of tax collection here
I'd say we're already accepting that lifestyle.
Think of where you live and how often you're monitored in public
buildings, on roads, travel hubs like airports and rail stations, shops,
garages etc Although it's not the dystopian society that Orwell
propounded I'd say it's quite an up to date version of it.
That's about right. We're essentially living in Orwell's 1984
right now, and I would accept the entire premise and argument
but for one fact... we witness every day our elected representatives
and other outspoken parties hurling verbal barrages and doing
verbal battle over issues of the day, and the free media being
free to dig up as much dirt as they can find on our elected
representatives, and we witness all this on television with
only a short time delay (a few hours at most). If it weren't
for these facts I'd say big brother completely controls us. We
still have some measure of control through an elected government,
a free media, and the freedom of speech to become a proponent or
advocate on some important issue.
All good points. I just wanted to bring up another one that interests me.
Simply look at the shameful performance of our elected officials and the
free media during the run uu to the current war in Iraq. What we have now,
to a growing extent, is corporate consolidation and control of the media and
Congress. They're all in the same boat, tied to similar interests.
Combine that with a stunning lack of courage in Congress (the media seems to
be coming around) and you've got one sick democracy.
You look at a 1984 scenario and you think of brownshirts and the like
enforcing the will of the State. It's become far more subtle than that at
this early stage.
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| User: "Perseid" |
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04 Aug 2006 06:40:55 AM |
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"John Lemke" <jflemke@locallink.net> Spat the Words
"Perseid" <eidpers@anti-spam.comcast.net> wrote in message
news:Xns9815D5787EBBrrfkwrantispamattbic@216.196.97.136...
"Krib" <kribuk@gmailREMOVECAPS.com> Spat the Words
"Perseid" <eidpers@anti-spam.comcast.net> wrote in message
news:Xns9813BEE3E752Arrfkwrantispamattbic@216.196.97.136...
What about Orwell's 1984 ? The people were so well conditioned
that they accepted a lifestyle we would never accept.
Interesting analogy, given that the UK has the most CCTV's in Europe
and that policing seems to have become a form of tax collection here
I'd say we're already accepting that lifestyle.
Think of where you live and how often you're monitored in public
buildings, on roads, travel hubs like airports and rail stations,
shops, garages etc Although it's not the dystopian society that Orwell
propounded I'd say it's quite an up to date version of it.
That's about right. We're essentially living in Orwell's 1984
right now, and I would accept the entire premise and argument
but for one fact... we witness every day our elected representatives
and other outspoken parties hurling verbal barrages and doing
verbal battle over issues of the day, and the free media being
free to dig up as much dirt as they can find on our elected
representatives, and we witness all this on television with
only a short time delay (a few hours at most). If it weren't
for these facts I'd say big brother completely controls us. We
still have some measure of control through an elected government,
a free media, and the freedom of speech to become a proponent or
advocate on some important issue.
All good points. I just wanted to bring up another one that interests
me.
Simply look at the shameful performance of our elected officials and the
free media during the run uu to the current war in Iraq. What we have
now, to a growing extent, is corporate consolidation and control of the
media and Congress.
They're all in the same boat, tied to similar
interests.
.... Tied to those interests until election time, when they're
prepared to suck all of our collective arses. After the election
they forget about us again and go back to their big business butt
buddies for some truly rich, dark chocolate.
Combine that with a stunning lack of courage in Congress (the media
seems to be coming around) and you've got one sick democracy.
You look at a 1984 scenario and you think of brownshirts and the like
enforcing the will of the State. It's become far more subtle than that
at this early stage.
I'd actually be more concerned about brown shirts. At least
when there's a profit motive tied into their power grab you have
some predictability in our elected officials.
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| User: "Krib" |
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04 Aug 2006 04:08:47 AM |
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"Perseid" <eidpers@anti-spam.comcast.net> wrote in message
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... the free media being free to dig up as much dirt as they can find on
our elected representatives, and we witness all this on television with
only a short time delay (a few hours at most).
Yet the free media generally has political bias, they're courted by politicians,
spoonfed exclusives if friendly and they spin and slant the news as much as
the politicians themselves do.
Not all of them of course and not all as patently corrupt as some but I don't
think any single media outlet should be the only source of news for someone
which, to ne, indicates they're not as free as they seem.
If it weren't for these facts I'd say big brother completely controls us.
I guess in any society there will be a measure of control, I imagine one without
would be pretty anarchic and unpleasant for many, so we accept that by rote.
still have some measure of control through an elected government,
a free media, and the freedom of speech to become a proponent or
advocate on some important issue.
Agreed, but if we are forcing those 'benefits' onto other nations and supplanting
their current systems does that make us benefactors do you think?
It is certainly true we're being monitored by camera and
microphone almost everywhere in public.
I guess we accept it because it's touted as a measure of public safety and it
generally is, I guess if one wants to be paranoid about being under such heavy
scrutiny then that would be fairly easy too.
Once our freedom to speak out and to report news freely is
taken away from us, then we are that much closer to Orwell's
mindless, classless state.
Over here the majority of the newspapers are politically biased, not heavy propoganda,
but enough to be obvious. BBC and SKY are hardly bastions of political neutrality these
days either, I expect now that politicians are so media savvy these days those days of
true neutrality have gone for good.
(then we might as well be put into the Matrix and harvested for our bio-chemical energy).
There're worse jobs than being a battery living in a fantasy. Hell some of the
freaks in here already live in stupid fantasies so no change for them anyway.
One theory is that as computing power and ability is increasing exponentially there
will be a time in the far future when they are so powerful and so common that all of
human history will be played out in a computer simulation to be examined in detail,
of course the simulants would not be aware of their status and would appear to have
all the attributes of life and would live as such.
Some speculate we're in that very simulation now. ;0)
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| User: "Werewolfy" |
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02 Aug 2006 08:07:56 PM |
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Perseid wrote:
"I think a government spying on it's citizens is a form of terrorism."
I feel the same. I didn't examine that in my post as it would be too
lengthy, but Mondo's suggestion would of necessity incorperate the1984
scenario.
It is happening though. We are manipulated at every turn, be it through
advertising, political rhetoric, and perhaps even darker, subliminal,
means.
I have a feeling we managed to 'get here' by slaughtering the
Neanderthals rather than uniting with them. Genocide seems to run in
our make-up.
I don't discount any theory regarding our eventual demise. I would be
amazed if any Government discovered 'honesty' and revealed their true
intentions to us though.
Werewolfy
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| User: "Krib" |
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03 Aug 2006 03:05:04 AM |
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"Werewolfy" <thegrimreaper10@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:1154567276.045082.88300@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
I don't discount any theory regarding our eventual demise. I would be
amazed if any Government discovered 'honesty' and revealed their true
intentions to us though.
Absolutely. It's amazing how the concept of honesty appears to change once
power and privilege are attained. Our great leader bliar proclaimed his party
as being whiter than white and look at the scandals they've mired themselves in
since.
If I was in power I'd show you all honesty and if anyone didn't like it I'd send
them to 'educational' facilities where they'd learn to love it even if it killed them,
(which it probably would). ;0)
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krib
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| User: "Charly the Bastard" |
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02 Aug 2006 07:40:36 PM |
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bye wrote:
If they are using this war tactic on us, why not use the same on them. An
eye for an eye, don't you think?
It's a bazaar concept, but could it work? Could the West accomplish
political goals by using terror tactics? Is it possible for an 'advanced
culture' to use terror tactics to effectively control populations? I think
it could work. What would be the down side?
I am not addressing the 'morality' of it, but the 'feasibility'.
Could terrorism be used as a means to effectively control of populations?
What do you think? Or am I just nuts!!!
Of course it's feasible, several countries use it right now to control their
populations. China, North Korea, Vietnam, most of Central America, a large
portion of Africa, a fair amount of South America, the US, most of the Middle
East... the list goes on and on. Government 'Death Squads' abound in
authoritarian regimes. Cross the Big Man in the Large White House and they'll
show up on your doorstep at 0 dark 30 and disappear you into the landscape.
Scary enough? Do you feel terrorized yet? Ever think about the warrantless
wiretaps that record everything you type into this newsgroup, building silent
dosiers of your ramblings, to be used at a later (unspecified) date to convict
you of High Crimes against the State? How's that for scary, eh? Can't happen
here, you say? Think again. It's happening here right now.
This device monitored by the NSA
Charly
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| User: "kmiller" |
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02 Aug 2006 10:32:10 PM |
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You left out the fact that the CIA has actually been doing this type of
"counter-terrorism" for years there 'Charly' !!!
;-)
Charly the ***** wrote:
Of course it's feasible, several countries use it right now to control their
populations. China, North Korea, Vietnam, most of Central America, a large
portion of Africa, a fair amount of South America, the US, most of the Middle
East... the list goes on and on. Government 'Death Squads' abound in
authoritarian regimes. Cross the Big Man in the Large White House and they'll
show up on your doorstep at 0 dark 30 and disappear you into the landscape.
Scary enough? Do you feel terrorized yet? Ever think about the warrantless
wiretaps that record everything you type into this newsgroup, building silent
dosiers of your ramblings, to be used at a later (unspecified) date to convict
you of High Crimes against the State? How's that for scary, eh? Can't happen
here, you say? Think again. It's happening here right now.
This device monitored by the NSA
Charly
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