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Date: 27 Jan 2005 07:23:30 AM
Object: Shroud of Turin dates to time of Christ
Face on the Shroud
Turin Shroud Older Than Thought
By Rossella Lorenzi, Discovery News
Jan. 25, 2005 — The Shroud of Turin, the piece of linen long believed
to have been wrapped around Jesus's body after the crucifixion, is
much older than the date suggested by radiocarbon tests, according to
new microchemical research.
Published in the current issue of Thermochimica Acta, a chemistry
peer- reviewed scientific journal, the study dismisses the results of
the 1988 carbon-14 dating.
“ A determination of the kinetics of vanillin loss suggests that the
shroud is between 1,300 and 3,000 years old. ”
At that time, three reputable laboratories in Oxford, Zurich and
Tucson, Ariz., concluded that the cloth on which the smudged outline
of the body of a man is indelibly impressed, was a medieval fake
dating from 1260 to 1390, and not the burial cloth wrapped around the
body of Christ.
"As unlikely as it seems, the sample used to test the age of the
shroud in 1988 was taken from a rewoven area of the shroud. Indeed,
the patch was very carefully made. The yarn has the same twist as the
main part of the cloth, and it was stained to match the color,"
Raymond Rogers, a retired chemist from Los Alamos National
Laboratories and former member of the STURP team of American
scientists that examined the Shroud in 1978, told Discovery News.
The presence of a patch on the shroud doesn't come as a surprise. The
linen cloth has survived several blazes since its existence was first
recorded in France in 1357, including a church fire in 1532.
Badly damaged, it was then restored by nuns who patched burn holes and
stitched the shroud to a reinforcing cloth that is now known as the
Holland cloth.
In his study, Rogers analyzed and compared the radiocarbon sample with
other samples from the controversial cloth.
"As part of the STURP research project, I took 32 adhesive-tape
samples from all areas of the shroud in 1978, including some patches
and the Holland cloth. I also obtained the authentic samples used in
the radiocarbon dating," Rogers said.
It emerged that the radiocarbon sample has completely different
chemical properties than the main part of the shroud, Rogers said.
"The radiocarbon sample had been dyed, most likely to match the color
of the older, sepia-colored cloth. The sample was dyed using a
technology that began to appear in Italy about the time the Crusaders'
last bastion fell to the Mameluke Turks in 1291.
"The radiocarbon sample cannot be older than about 1290, agreeing with
the age determined by carbon-14 dating in 1988. However, the Shroud
itself is actually much older," said Rogers.
Evidence came from microchemical tests that revealed the presence of
vanillin in the radiocarbon sample and in the Holland cloth, but not
in the rest of the shroud.
Produced by the thermal decomposition of lignin, a chemical compound
of plant material including flax, vanillin decreases and disappears
with time. It is easily detected on medieval linens, but cannot be
found in the very old ones, such as the wrappings of the Dead Sea
scrolls.
"A determination of the kinetics of vanillin loss suggests that the
shroud is between 1,300 and 3,000 years old," Rogers wrote.
According to Tom D'Muhala, the president of the American Shroud of
Turin Association for Research, the new chemical tests produced
"conclusive evidence."
"They indicate that the linen Shroud is actually very old — much older
than the published 1988 radiocarbon date," D'Muhala said.
Shroud History
Scientific interest in linen cloth began in 1898, when it was
photographed by lawyer Secondo Pia. The negatives revealed the image
of a bearded man with pierced wrists and feet and a bloodstained head.
In 1988, the Vatican approved carbon-dating tests. Three reputable
laboratories in Oxford, Zurich and Tucson, Ariz., concluded that the
shroud was medieval, dating from 1260 to 1390, and not a burial cloth
wrapped around the body of Christ.
But since then a growing sense that the radiocarbon dating might have
had substantial flaws emerged among shroud scholars.
The history of the cloth has been steeped in mystery. It has survived
several blazes since its existence was first recorded in France in
1357, including a mysterious fire at Turin Cathedral in 1997.
Kept rolled up in a silver casket, it has been on display only five
times in the past century. When it last went on display in 2000, more
than three million people saw it. The next display will be in 2025.
.

User: "tw"

Title: Re: Shroud of Turin dates to time of Christ 27 Jan 2005 07:27:49 AM
...or before..
<itwill@happen.com> wrote in message
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Face on the Shroud
Turin Shroud Older Than Thought
By Rossella Lorenzi, Discovery News
Jan. 25, 2005 - The Shroud of Turin, the piece of linen long believed
to have been wrapped around Jesus's body after the crucifixion, is
much older than the date suggested by radiocarbon tests, according to
new microchemical research.

Published in the current issue of Thermochimica Acta, a chemistry
peer- reviewed scientific journal, the study dismisses the results of
the 1988 carbon-14 dating.

" A determination of the kinetics of vanillin loss suggests that the
shroud is between 1,300 and 3,000 years old. "

At that time, three reputable laboratories in Oxford, Zurich and
Tucson, Ariz., concluded that the cloth on which the smudged outline
of the body of a man is indelibly impressed, was a medieval fake
dating from 1260 to 1390, and not the burial cloth wrapped around the
body of Christ.

"As unlikely as it seems, the sample used to test the age of the
shroud in 1988 was taken from a rewoven area of the shroud. Indeed,
the patch was very carefully made. The yarn has the same twist as the
main part of the cloth, and it was stained to match the color,"
Raymond Rogers, a retired chemist from Los Alamos National
Laboratories and former member of the STURP team of American
scientists that examined the Shroud in 1978, told Discovery News.

The presence of a patch on the shroud doesn't come as a surprise. The
linen cloth has survived several blazes since its existence was first
recorded in France in 1357, including a church fire in 1532.

Badly damaged, it was then restored by nuns who patched burn holes and
stitched the shroud to a reinforcing cloth that is now known as the
Holland cloth.

In his study, Rogers analyzed and compared the radiocarbon sample with
other samples from the controversial cloth.

"As part of the STURP research project, I took 32 adhesive-tape
samples from all areas of the shroud in 1978, including some patches
and the Holland cloth. I also obtained the authentic samples used in
the radiocarbon dating," Rogers said.

It emerged that the radiocarbon sample has completely different
chemical properties than the main part of the shroud, Rogers said.

"The radiocarbon sample had been dyed, most likely to match the color
of the older, sepia-colored cloth. The sample was dyed using a
technology that began to appear in Italy about the time the Crusaders'
last bastion fell to the Mameluke Turks in 1291.

"The radiocarbon sample cannot be older than about 1290, agreeing with
the age determined by carbon-14 dating in 1988. However, the Shroud
itself is actually much older," said Rogers.

Evidence came from microchemical tests that revealed the presence of
vanillin in the radiocarbon sample and in the Holland cloth, but not
in the rest of the shroud.

Produced by the thermal decomposition of lignin, a chemical compound
of plant material including flax, vanillin decreases and disappears
with time. It is easily detected on medieval linens, but cannot be
found in the very old ones, such as the wrappings of the Dead Sea
scrolls.

"A determination of the kinetics of vanillin loss suggests that the
shroud is between 1,300 and 3,000 years old," Rogers wrote.

According to Tom D'Muhala, the president of the American Shroud of
Turin Association for Research, the new chemical tests produced
"conclusive evidence."

"They indicate that the linen Shroud is actually very old - much older
than the published 1988 radiocarbon date," D'Muhala said.

Shroud History
Scientific interest in linen cloth began in 1898, when it was
photographed by lawyer Secondo Pia. The negatives revealed the image
of a bearded man with pierced wrists and feet and a bloodstained head.

In 1988, the Vatican approved carbon-dating tests. Three reputable
laboratories in Oxford, Zurich and Tucson, Ariz., concluded that the
shroud was medieval, dating from 1260 to 1390, and not a burial cloth
wrapped around the body of Christ.

But since then a growing sense that the radiocarbon dating might have
had substantial flaws emerged among shroud scholars.

The history of the cloth has been steeped in mystery. It has survived
several blazes since its existence was first recorded in France in
1357, including a mysterious fire at Turin Cathedral in 1997.

Kept rolled up in a silver casket, it has been on display only five
times in the past century. When it last went on display in 2000, more
than three million people saw it. The next display will be in 2025.

.
User: ""

Title: Re: Shroud of Turin dates to time of Christ 28 Jan 2005 10:45:28 AM


..or before..

Poor antheistic Tommy Boy is seeing the evidence mount over the
years that the Bible is true.
Just of few of the Archological finds in the last few years, which
the non-believers always pointed to as evidence that the Bible was
wrong:
That King David was an actual person, that Belshazzer was a king
of Babylon. A search of this group will show the others that I have
pointed to over the years.
Tony


<itwill@happen.com> wrote in message
news:1106832190.7cac8d04601bc735d3985b63f5fe43be@teranews...

Face on the Shroud
Turin Shroud Older Than Thought
By Rossella Lorenzi, Discovery News
Jan. 25, 2005 - The Shroud of Turin, the piece of linen long believed
to have been wrapped around Jesus's body after the crucifixion, is
much older than the date suggested by radiocarbon tests, according to
new microchemical research.

Published in the current issue of Thermochimica Acta, a chemistry
peer- reviewed scientific journal, the study dismisses the results of
the 1988 carbon-14 dating.

" A determination of the kinetics of vanillin loss suggests that the
shroud is between 1,300 and 3,000 years old. "

At that time, three reputable laboratories in Oxford, Zurich and
Tucson, Ariz., concluded that the cloth on which the smudged outline
of the body of a man is indelibly impressed, was a medieval fake
dating from 1260 to 1390, and not the burial cloth wrapped around the
body of Christ.

"As unlikely as it seems, the sample used to test the age of the
shroud in 1988 was taken from a rewoven area of the shroud. Indeed,
the patch was very carefully made. The yarn has the same twist as the
main part of the cloth, and it was stained to match the color,"
Raymond Rogers, a retired chemist from Los Alamos National
Laboratories and former member of the STURP team of American
scientists that examined the Shroud in 1978, told Discovery News.

The presence of a patch on the shroud doesn't come as a surprise. The
linen cloth has survived several blazes since its existence was first
recorded in France in 1357, including a church fire in 1532.

Badly damaged, it was then restored by nuns who patched burn holes and
stitched the shroud to a reinforcing cloth that is now known as the
Holland cloth.

In his study, Rogers analyzed and compared the radiocarbon sample with
other samples from the controversial cloth.

"As part of the STURP research project, I took 32 adhesive-tape
samples from all areas of the shroud in 1978, including some patches
and the Holland cloth. I also obtained the authentic samples used in
the radiocarbon dating," Rogers said.

It emerged that the radiocarbon sample has completely different
chemical properties than the main part of the shroud, Rogers said.

"The radiocarbon sample had been dyed, most likely to match the color
of the older, sepia-colored cloth. The sample was dyed using a
technology that began to appear in Italy about the time the Crusaders'
last bastion fell to the Mameluke Turks in 1291.

"The radiocarbon sample cannot be older than about 1290, agreeing with
the age determined by carbon-14 dating in 1988. However, the Shroud
itself is actually much older," said Rogers.

Evidence came from microchemical tests that revealed the presence of
vanillin in the radiocarbon sample and in the Holland cloth, but not
in the rest of the shroud.

Produced by the thermal decomposition of lignin, a chemical compound
of plant material including flax, vanillin decreases and disappears
with time. It is easily detected on medieval linens, but cannot be
found in the very old ones, such as the wrappings of the Dead Sea
scrolls.

"A determination of the kinetics of vanillin loss suggests that the
shroud is between 1,300 and 3,000 years old," Rogers wrote.

According to Tom D'Muhala, the president of the American Shroud of
Turin Association for Research, the new chemical tests produced
"conclusive evidence."

"They indicate that the linen Shroud is actually very old - much older
than the published 1988 radiocarbon date," D'Muhala said.

Shroud History
Scientific interest in linen cloth began in 1898, when it was
photographed by lawyer Secondo Pia. The negatives revealed the image
of a bearded man with pierced wrists and feet and a bloodstained head.

In 1988, the Vatican approved carbon-dating tests. Three reputable
laboratories in Oxford, Zurich and Tucson, Ariz., concluded that the
shroud was medieval, dating from 1260 to 1390, and not a burial cloth
wrapped around the body of Christ.

But since then a growing sense that the radiocarbon dating might have
had substantial flaws emerged among shroud scholars.

The history of the cloth has been steeped in mystery. It has survived
several blazes since its existence was first recorded in France in
1357, including a mysterious fire at Turin Cathedral in 1997.

Kept rolled up in a silver casket, it has been on display only five
times in the past century. When it last went on display in 2000, more
than three million people saw it. The next display will be in 2025.


.
User: "JimGem3015"

Title: Re: Shroud of Turin dates to time of Christ 28 Jan 2005 05:47:11 PM

That King David was an actual person, that Belshazzer was a king
of Babylon. A search of this group will show the others that I have
pointed to over the years.

Tony

And more revelations than you will be able to count, and very soon.
But be cautious Tony, all is not as it seems, nor as you have been told.
JIM
.
User: "TonyZ2001"

Title: Re: Shroud of Turin dates to time of Christ 29 Jan 2005 10:09:29 AM

:


wrote:


That King David was an actual person, that Belshazzer was a king
of Babylon. A search of this group will show the others that I have
pointed to over the years.

Tony

And more revelations than you will be >able to count, and very soon.

Maybe.

But be cautious Tony, all is not as it >seems, nor as you have been told.
JIM

Care to explain?
Tony
.

User: "TaDa Pope"

Title: Re: Shroud of Turin dates to time of Christ 28 Jan 2005 05:51:41 PM

Subject: Re: Shroud of Turin dates to time of Christ
From:

(JimGem3015)
Date: 1/28/2005 3:47 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <20050128184711.11120.00000260@mb-m18.aol.com>

That King David was an actual person, that Belshazzer was a king
of Babylon. A search of this group will show the others that I have
pointed to over the years.

Tony


And more revelations than you will be able to count, and very soon.
But be cautious Tony, all is not as it seems, nor as you have been told.

JIM







Right you are!
It's all MAGIC.
Tangents are infinite in all of nature in
all universes constantly and at random.
* D OUOSVAVV M *
*PUBLIUS ENIGMA*
Oh Joy!
The Psychedelic Pope
Patron Saint of the Internet
http://www.apple2.org.za/gswv/me/
.
User: "JimGem3015"

Title: Re: Shroud of Turin dates to time of Christ 29 Jan 2005 04:31:11 PM

And more revelations than you will be able to count, and very soon.
But be cautious Tony, all is not as it seems, nor as you have been told.

JIM








Right you are!
It's all MAGIC.


Tangents are infinite in all of nature in
all universes constantly and at random.
* D OUOSVAVV M *
*PUBLIUS ENIGMA*
Oh Joy!
The Psychedelic Pope
Patron Saint of the Internet

http://www.apple2.org.za/gswv/me/

It's all an illusion. But don't step out in front of a bus. This illusion can
hurt.
Concept bound by immutable law, expressed in pulsating waves, that don't exist
outside of the One, which all this is not, for only the One is.
We are but the imaginings of the One.
"Man was made in God's image"...
(not likeness).
.





User: "Absolute Zero"

Title: Re: Shroud of Turin dates to time of Christ 27 Jan 2005 07:38:16 AM
wrote:

Face on the Shroud
Turin Shroud Older Than Thought
By Rossella Lorenzi, Discovery News

Well, then the only sensible thing to do is re-conduct the radiocarbon
dating procedure on a non-controversial part of the shroud.
You can take this prediction to the bank - The Pope won't allow any
further radiocarbon testing.. he won't make the same mistake twice.
-A

Jan. 25, 2005 — The Shroud of Turin, the piece of linen long believed
to have been wrapped around Jesus's body after the crucifixion, is
much older than the date suggested by radiocarbon tests, according to
new microchemical research.

Published in the current issue of Thermochimica Acta, a chemistry
peer- reviewed scientific journal, the study dismisses the results of
the 1988 carbon-14 dating.

“ A determination of the kinetics of vanillin loss suggests that the
shroud is between 1,300 and 3,000 years old. ”

At that time, three reputable laboratories in Oxford, Zurich and
Tucson, Ariz., concluded that the cloth on which the smudged outline
of the body of a man is indelibly impressed, was a medieval fake
dating from 1260 to 1390, and not the burial cloth wrapped around the
body of Christ.

"As unlikely as it seems, the sample used to test the age of the
shroud in 1988 was taken from a rewoven area of the shroud. Indeed,
the patch was very carefully made. The yarn has the same twist as the
main part of the cloth, and it was stained to match the color,"
Raymond Rogers, a retired chemist from Los Alamos National
Laboratories and former member of the STURP team of American
scientists that examined the Shroud in 1978, told Discovery News.

The presence of a patch on the shroud doesn't come as a surprise. The
linen cloth has survived several blazes since its existence was first
recorded in France in 1357, including a church fire in 1532.

Badly damaged, it was then restored by nuns who patched burn holes and
stitched the shroud to a reinforcing cloth that is now known as the
Holland cloth.

In his study, Rogers analyzed and compared the radiocarbon sample with
other samples from the controversial cloth.

"As part of the STURP research project, I took 32 adhesive-tape
samples from all areas of the shroud in 1978, including some patches
and the Holland cloth. I also obtained the authentic samples used in
the radiocarbon dating," Rogers said.

It emerged that the radiocarbon sample has completely different
chemical properties than the main part of the shroud, Rogers said.

"The radiocarbon sample had been dyed, most likely to match the color
of the older, sepia-colored cloth. The sample was dyed using a
technology that began to appear in Italy about the time the Crusaders'
last bastion fell to the Mameluke Turks in 1291.

"The radiocarbon sample cannot be older than about 1290, agreeing with
the age determined by carbon-14 dating in 1988. However, the Shroud
itself is actually much older," said Rogers.

Evidence came from microchemical tests that revealed the presence of
vanillin in the radiocarbon sample and in the Holland cloth, but not
in the rest of the shroud.

Produced by the thermal decomposition of lignin, a chemical compound
of plant material including flax, vanillin decreases and disappears
with time. It is easily detected on medieval linens, but cannot be
found in the very old ones, such as the wrappings of the Dead Sea
scrolls.

"A determination of the kinetics of vanillin loss suggests that the
shroud is between 1,300 and 3,000 years old," Rogers wrote.

According to Tom D'Muhala, the president of the American Shroud of
Turin Association for Research, the new chemical tests produced
"conclusive evidence."

"They indicate that the linen Shroud is actually very old — much older
than the published 1988 radiocarbon date," D'Muhala said.

Shroud History
Scientific interest in linen cloth began in 1898, when it was
photographed by lawyer Secondo Pia. The negatives revealed the image
of a bearded man with pierced wrists and feet and a bloodstained head.

In 1988, the Vatican approved carbon-dating tests. Three reputable
laboratories in Oxford, Zurich and Tucson, Ariz., concluded that the
shroud was medieval, dating from 1260 to 1390, and not a burial cloth
wrapped around the body of Christ.

But since then a growing sense that the radiocarbon dating might have
had substantial flaws emerged among shroud scholars.

The history of the cloth has been steeped in mystery. It has survived
several blazes since its existence was first recorded in France in
1357, including a mysterious fire at Turin Cathedral in 1997.

Kept rolled up in a silver casket, it has been on display only five
times in the past century. When it last went on display in 2000, more
than three million people saw it. The next display will be in 2025.

.

User: ""

Title: Re: Shroud of Turin dates to time of Christ 27 Jan 2005 02:16:18 PM
wrote:

Face on the Shroud
Turin Shroud Older Than Thought
By Rossella Lorenzi, Discovery News
Jan. 25, 2005 - The Shroud of Turin, the piece of linen long

believed

to have been wrapped around Jesus's body after the crucifixion, is
much older than the date suggested by radiocarbon tests, according to
new microchemical research.

Published in the current issue of Thermochimica Acta, a chemistry
peer- reviewed scientific journal, the study dismisses the results of
the 1988 carbon-14 dating.

" A determination of the kinetics of vanillin loss suggests that

the

shroud is between 1,300 and 3,000 years old. "

At that time, three reputable laboratories in Oxford, Zurich and
Tucson, Ariz., concluded that the cloth on which the smudged outline
of the body of a man is indelibly impressed, was a medieval fake
dating from 1260 to 1390, and not the burial cloth wrapped around the
body of Christ.

"As unlikely as it seems, the sample used to test the age of the
shroud in 1988 was taken from a rewoven area of the shroud. Indeed,
the patch was very carefully made. The yarn has the same twist as the
main part of the cloth, and it was stained to match the color,"
Raymond Rogers, a retired chemist from Los Alamos National
Laboratories and former member of the STURP team of American
scientists that examined the Shroud in 1978, told Discovery News.

The presence of a patch on the shroud doesn't come as a surprise. The
linen cloth has survived several blazes since its existence was first
recorded in France in 1357, including a church fire in 1532.

Badly damaged, it was then restored by nuns who patched burn holes

and

stitched the shroud to a reinforcing cloth that is now known as the
Holland cloth.

In his study, Rogers analyzed and compared the radiocarbon sample

with

other samples from the controversial cloth.

"As part of the STURP research project, I took 32 adhesive-tape
samples from all areas of the shroud in 1978, including some patches
and the Holland cloth. I also obtained the authentic samples used in
the radiocarbon dating," Rogers said.

It emerged that the radiocarbon sample has completely different
chemical properties than the main part of the shroud, Rogers said.

"The radiocarbon sample had been dyed, most likely to match the color
of the older, sepia-colored cloth. The sample was dyed using a
technology that began to appear in Italy about the time the

Crusaders'

last bastion fell to the Mameluke Turks in 1291.

"The radiocarbon sample cannot be older than about 1290, agreeing

with

the age determined by carbon-14 dating in 1988. However, the Shroud
itself is actually much older," said Rogers.

Evidence came from microchemical tests that revealed the presence of
vanillin in the radiocarbon sample and in the Holland cloth, but not
in the rest of the shroud.

Produced by the thermal decomposition of lignin, a chemical compound
of plant material including flax, vanillin decreases and disappears
with time. It is easily detected on medieval linens, but cannot be
found in the very old ones, such as the wrappings of the Dead Sea
scrolls.

"A determination of the kinetics of vanillin loss suggests that the
shroud is between 1,300 and 3,000 years old," Rogers wrote.

According to Tom D'Muhala, the president of the American Shroud of
Turin Association for Research, the new chemical tests produced
"conclusive evidence."

"They indicate that the linen Shroud is actually very old - much

older

than the published 1988 radiocarbon date," D'Muhala said.

Shroud History
Scientific interest in linen cloth began in 1898, when it was
photographed by lawyer Secondo Pia. The negatives revealed the image
of a bearded man with pierced wrists and feet and a bloodstained

head.


In 1988, the Vatican approved carbon-dating tests. Three reputable
laboratories in Oxford, Zurich and Tucson, Ariz., concluded that the
shroud was medieval, dating from 1260 to 1390, and not a burial cloth
wrapped around the body of Christ.

But since then a growing sense that the radiocarbon dating might have
had substantial flaws emerged among shroud scholars.

The history of the cloth has been steeped in mystery. It has survived
several blazes since its existence was first recorded in France in
1357, including a mysterious fire at Turin Cathedral in 1997.

Kept rolled up in a silver casket, it has been on display only five
times in the past century. When it last went on display in 2000, more
than three million people saw it. The next display will be in 2025.

Well, DUH!!..............all the shroud proves is that they were used a
couple of thousand years ago. No way of telling who used it.
Do you think you would recognize Jesus if you saw him or his image,
itw?
Better stick to the grilled cheese images of The Virgin Mary.
.


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