As many of you may already be aware, I am an
accomplished medium who has often channeled
none other than Nostradamus himself.
Though unpaid, my work in the spiritual realm is
both productive and rewarding. Every time I
think of all the celebrities, CEOs, community
leaders & national politicians that I've been able
to guide towards success through the use of my
gifts, I can't help but feel a sense of pride of such
an extant that I dare call it "sinful."
I know we all should be humbled by a power greater
than ourselves, and in my case doubly so, as
through my gifts I am in touch with that power on
a daily basis. And I assure you, as unvirtuous as
my expressed pride might seem, that despite my
powers I remain as human as the rest of you, with all
those same human faults & human frailties that
plague the rest of mankind. I would be less virtuous,
not more so, should I lie or otherwise conceal the
pride I feel towards my undeserved role in shaping
world events.
Now, as I said, I do not get paid for my work. However,
I do accept donations from those seeking guidance.
And, yes, more often than a perfect world would allow,
I am forced by circumstances to defer to those who
make a donation over those who do not. But I am not
in it for the money, and I will prove this to all of you
now.
What do you want to know? What secrets would you
like revealed?
The world is open to you, the sky your limit with but
one caveat: Ask me a question to gain information
and nothing else.
If, for example, you asked me tomorrow's Lotto
number I would ignore you. For the information itself
is not an end, but a means toward an end, with that
end being great wealth.
The same applies to stocks, commodities or any other
investment item. It can even apply towards seemingly
innocuous facts, like the fate of an ancient ancestor.
Your motives define it's validity.
Any question asked out of curiousity, or to satisfy an
entirely personal desire, is entirely valid. This is because
the information itself is the goal. If, on the other hand,
you are looking for a little insight so that you might
write the next Dan Brown style blockbuster novel, the
information is not the goal but a means towards an
end. It would be invalid.
This is important. There is a real danger here. If you
ask a question when in fact it is not the answer you
seek, but merely intend to use the answer to secure
some other goal, you risk disater. For, although I
can gaurantee you that all responses I present will be
technically true & technically accurate, the spirits will
respond to impure questions with ambiguity, often
times even to the point of being deliberately misleading.
I myself do not see the future. I myself do not know
any great secrets, or have the power to peer into the
hearts of men. I channel the spirits, and the spirit of
Nostradamus in particular, and I report back what they
have revealed to me. Unless it is something obvious,
like a lottery number, I may not recognize your question
as invalid, I may not know to not ask it. In short, I
may not be able to protect you from the potential
ruin of a "technically" true & accurate answer that
is deliberately vague and likely booby trapped with
misleading language that will steer you towards ruin.
Enlightment is yours for the asking! Go on, Skeptics,
you are hereby challenged to experience the solace
that only those of us exposed to the truth and in
touch with a power greater than ourselves have known.
Ask away! You have nothing to lose but your own skepticism.
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14 Aug 2006 10:38:02 AM |
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Bill Baker wrote:
Pardon me, but where has he done anything illegal? His claim may be
dubious, but as far as I can see no laws have been broken.
You seem to mean well, Mr Baker. It's likely that you are a person
susceptible to the....ways....used by 'Spiritual' fraudsters. If I have
that corrrect, please do not take offence when I advise caution in any
dealing with this man.
I could quote at length considerable legislation governing the
obtaining of pecuniary advantage by deception, an offence that just
about every Nation in the world holds on it's statute book in one form
or another.
The internet now has a world-wide examining body to catch fraudsters.
You see a 'dubious' claim. I see an outright 'confidence trick'.
As a group, we may all laugh, mock even, this far-fetched attempt to
coerce people into providing him with a comfortable life style. There
are however, many vulnerable people that vultures such as he prey upon,
relying on a naive form of 'wishful-thinking' to obtain that which he
calls 'a donation'. Fraudsters find the use of this expression to be
convenient at subsequent court appearances, using the term to mask the
demand for cash.
In stating that he would give preferential treatment to those who
'donate', and commune with his spirits on their behalf, he has all but
convicted himself.
A court is a sombre institution. Claims of communication with dead
spirits are invariably dismissed for the non-sense they are. If a
financial inducement is added to the equation, then the offence becomes
complete.
Werewolfy
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14 Aug 2006 11:38:50 AM |
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On 14 Aug 2006 08:38:02 -0700, "Werewolfy" <thegrimreaper10@lycos.com>
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A court is a sombre institution. Claims of communication with dead
spirits are invariably dismissed for the non-sense they are. If a
financial inducement is added to the equation, then the offence becomes
complete.
And in case anyone is interested in the Christian version of this,
it's pretty short: the dead are at rest with God, and have hung up the
'Do Not Disturb' sign.
Catholics pray for the dead, Protestants don't, but mainstream
churches are pretty much agreed on this-leave 'em be.
Lizz 'I think I was in Heaven' Holmans
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Rumpeta, rumpeta, rumpeta
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14 Aug 2006 12:40:47 PM |
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Lizz Holmans wrote:
On 14 Aug 2006 08:38:02 -0700, "Werewolfy" <thegrimreaper10@lycos.com>
wrote:
A court is a sombre institution. Claims of communication with dead
spirits are invariably dismissed for the non-sense they are. If a
financial inducement is added to the equation, then the offence becomes
complete.
And in case anyone is interested in the Christian version of this,
it's pretty short: the dead are at rest with God, and have hung up the
'Do Not Disturb' sign.
Catholics pray for the dead, Protestants don't, but mainstream
churches are pretty much agreed on this-leave 'em be.
What you're saying is true to a certain point, but Catholics and
Protestants pray to Jesus, and Catholics pray to Mary, and both are
dead. So even if we accept the whole Jesus-is-God thing, the Catholics
still have Mary.
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14 Aug 2006 10:49:56 AM |
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Werewolfy wrote:
As a group, we may all laugh, mock even, this far-fetched
attempt to coerce people into providing him with a
comfortable life style. There are however, many vulnerable
people that vultures such as he prey upon,
Oh. So that's it. You cope with your insignificance by
pretending you're some clever hero, protecting the
vulnerable from big blue meanies.
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14 Aug 2006 11:24:14 AM |
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Werewolfy wrote:
Bill Baker wrote:
Pardon me, but where has he done anything illegal? His claim may be
dubious, but as far as I can see no laws have been broken.
You seem to mean well, Mr Baker. It's likely that you are a person
susceptible to the....ways....used by 'Spiritual' fraudsters. If I have
that corrrect, please do not take offence when I advise caution in any
dealing with this man.
I do consider myself a skeptic, but that doesn't mean I rule out the
possibility that he is telling the truth.
I could quote at length considerable legislation governing the
obtaining of pecuniary advantage by deception, an offence that just
about every Nation in the world holds on it's statute book in one form
or another.
The internet now has a world-wide examining body to catch fraudsters.
You see a 'dubious' claim. I see an outright 'confidence trick'.
I didn't see him ask for any money.
As a group, we may all laugh, mock even, this far-fetched attempt to
coerce people into providing him with a comfortable life style. There
are however, many vulnerable people that vultures such as he prey upon,
relying on a naive form of 'wishful-thinking' to obtain that which he
calls 'a donation'. Fraudsters find the use of this expression to be
convenient at subsequent court appearances, using the term to mask the
demand for cash.
In stating that he would give preferential treatment to those who
'donate', and commune with his spirits on their behalf, he has all but
convicted himself.
Churches and other organizations also give preferential treatment to
those who donate. That doesn't mean that what they are doing is
illegal. Can you tell me specifically what law he has broken?
A court is a sombre institution. Claims of communication with dead
spirits are invariably dismissed for the non-sense they are. If a
financial inducement is added to the equation, then the offence becomes
complete.
I think this may be equivalent to giving an offering at church. If you
later decide that you don't believe, does that mean you can sue the
church for all the offering you gave it or put the pastor in jail?
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14 Aug 2006 01:55:32 PM |
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Bill Baker wrote: "I didn't see him ask for any money."
First post;-
"Now, as I said, I do not get paid for my work. However,
I do accept donations from those seeking guidance.
And, yes, more often than a perfect world would allow,
I am forced by circumstances to defer to those who
make a donation over those who do not. But I am not
in it for the money, and I will prove this to all of you
now."
What do you want to know? What secrets would you
like revealed?"
I think you should leave conjecture behind, let a court decide
intention.
"I do consider myself a skeptic, but that doesn't mean I rule out the
possibility that he is telling the truth."
Then I am sorry for you, Mr Baker. You are prey to fraudsters, they
thrive through you.
Churches and other organizations also give preferential treatment to
those who donate. That doesn't mean that what they are doing is
illegal."
Does your Church leader promise to anwer all questions posed to a
spirit? Do you give to maintain the Church...or to buy the priest a new
car?
"I think this may be equivalent to giving an offering at church."
Again. I feel sorry for you. I cannot help you further. If you really
are this naive, then there's not much anyone can do for you.
Werewolfy
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14 Aug 2006 02:13:04 PM |
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Werewolfy wrote:
Bill Baker wrote: "I didn't see him ask for any money."
First post;-
"Now, as I said, I do not get paid for my work. However,
I do accept donations from those seeking guidance.
And, yes, more often than a perfect world would allow,
I am forced by circumstances to defer to those who
make a donation over those who do not. But I am not
in it for the money, and I will prove this to all of you
now."
What do you want to know? What secrets would you
like revealed?"
I think you should leave conjecture behind, let a court decide
intention.
OK, but he didn't require any money from us, nor does he require money
from anyone.
"I do consider myself a skeptic, but that doesn't mean I rule out the
possibility that he is telling the truth."
Then I am sorry for you, Mr Baker. You are prey to fraudsters, they
thrive through you.
You seem to have your mind made up that unless something has been
conclusively proved by science that it can't possibly exist. I'm
sorry, but just because I'm not a cynic like you doesn't mean I'm
gullible.
Churches and other organizations also give preferential treatment to
those who donate. That doesn't mean that what they are doing is
illegal."
Does your Church leader promise to anwer all questions posed to a
spirit?
Please refrain from using the word "your". I was speaking in general
terms, and I will answer you as such.
Many times, yes. Although they call it Jesus or the Holy Spirit.
Do you give to maintain the Church...or to buy the priest a new car?
Sometimes both.
"I think this may be equivalent to giving an offering at church."
Again. I feel sorry for you. I cannot help you further. If you really
are this naive, then there's not much anyone can do for you.
Who asked you for any help? All I asked you to do was explain what
laws you think he is breaking. So far, you've listed exactly none.
And I'm not some rube who falls for every charlatan that comes along.
I am very scientifically-minded, therefore I keep my mind open to new
possibilities. But not so open that my brains fall out.
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14 Aug 2006 02:36:50 PM |
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Bill Baker wrote:
"But not so open that my brains fall out."
A bit late for that, Bill Baker.
Werewolfy
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14 Aug 2006 02:47:31 PM |
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Werewolfy wrote:
Bill Baker wrote:
"But not so open that my brains fall out."
A bit late for that, Bill Baker.
Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim.
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14 Aug 2006 06:18:17 PM |
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Bill Baker wrote:
"Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim."
I know you intended that remark for me. Oddly enough, it fits very
nicely the scribblings of your 'Guru', Jtem the 'gifted one'.
Werewolfy
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| User: "Bill Baker" |
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14 Aug 2006 07:47:43 PM |
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On Mon, 14 Aug 2006 16:18:17 -0700, "Werewolfy"
<thegrimreaper10@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:1155597497.023394.66020@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Bill Baker wrote:
"Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim."
I know you intended that remark for me. Oddly enough, it fits very
nicely the scribblings of your 'Guru', Jtem the 'gifted one'.
Werewolfy
I never called him a guru, nor do I think of him as one. I'm not even
sure he's a good medium. Would you like to make any more unfounded
assumptions about me?
--
Bushism 1-27:
"The budget caps were busted, mightily so. And we are reviewing with people
like Judd Gregg from New Hampshire and other some budgetary reform measures that
will reinstate--you know, possibly reinstate budgetary discipline. But the caps
no longer--the caps, I guess they're there. But they didn't mean much."
--Washington, D.C.; February 5, 2001
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| User: "" |
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14 Aug 2006 08:01:25 PM |
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Bill Baker wrote:
"Werewolfy"
I know you intended that remark for me. Oddly enough, it fits very
nicely the scribblings of your 'Guru', Jtem the 'gifted one'.
Werewolfy
I never called him a guru, nor do I think of him as one. I'm not
even sure he's a good medium. Would you like to make any
more unfounded assumptions about me?
My guess is that you don't need a medium -- good or not -- to
figure out the answer to THAT question...
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| User: "Werewolfy" |
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15 Aug 2006 03:32:29 AM |
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wrote:
My guess is that you don't need a medium -- good or not -- to
figure out the answer to THAT question...
Ahh there we have it...straight from the 'Gifted One'.
You guess.
How's the old 'donations' coming along Oh Gifted One? Cash rolling in
all right?
Found many more 'Bill Baker's to trick?
How is the old chap these days? Gosh but you are fortunate to be
honoured by his visitations.
Oh...didn't I mention it? I have a captured alien at home. I'll let you
see it if you give me a 'donation'.
Werewolfy
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| User: "Bill Baker" |
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15 Aug 2006 05:03:15 AM |
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On Tue, 15 Aug 2006 01:32:29 -0700, "Werewolfy"
<thegrimreaper10@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:1155630749.480947.272690@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
jtem01@gmail.com wrote:
My guess is that you don't need a medium -- good or not -- to
figure out the answer to THAT question...
Ahh there we have it...straight from the 'Gifted One'.
You guess.
How's the old 'donations' coming along Oh Gifted One? Cash rolling in
all right?
Found many more 'Bill Baker's to trick?
You're erroneously presupposing he has tricked me.
How is the old chap these days? Gosh but you are fortunate to be
honoured by his visitations.
Oh...didn't I mention it? I have a captured alien at home. I'll let you
see it if you give me a 'donation'.
Werewolfy
--
Funny Lurlean quote #28:
"God is a watching your butt hole at all times and will note ANY disobedience of
His laws."
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| User: "Werewolfy" |
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15 Aug 2006 05:26:04 AM |
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Bill Baker wrote:
You're erroneously presupposing he has tricked me.
What I'm doing isn't the issue. It's the impression you give in your
posts that leads to that probability.
Werewolfy
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| User: "Bill Baker" |
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15 Aug 2006 05:28:36 AM |
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On Tue, 15 Aug 2006 03:26:04 -0700, "Werewolfy"
<thegrimreaper10@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:1155637564.521468.91820@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Bill Baker wrote:
You're erroneously presupposing he has tricked me.
What I'm doing isn't the issue. It's the impression you give in your
posts that leads to that probability.
Werewolfy
Then you lack reading comprehension skills. And honesty, apparently, as
you snipped away everything but one sentence of a previous post of mine.
--
Bushism 6-26:
"The only thing I know about Slovakia is what I learned firsthand from your
foreign minister, who came to Texas."
--To a Slovakian journalist, as quoted by Knight Ridder news service; June 22,
1999 [Bush's meeting was with Janez Drnovsek, the prime minister of Slovenia]
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15 Aug 2006 07:06:24 AM |
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Werewolfy wrote:
jtem01@gmail.com wrote:
My guess is that you don't need a medium -- good or not --
to figure out the answer to THAT question...
Ahh there we have it...straight from the 'Gifted One'.
You guess.
And? Go on. Tell us how you're misrepresenting this, oh
clearly not gifted one?
Oh...didn't I mention it? I have a captured alien at home.
No doubt this is what passes for clever in your trailer park.
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15 Aug 2006 04:07:02 AM |
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Werewolfy wrote:
jtem01@gmail.com wrote:
My guess is that you don't need a medium -- good or not -- to
figure out the answer to THAT question...
Ahh there we have it...straight from the 'Gifted One'.
You guess.
How's the old 'donations' coming along Oh Gifted One? Cash rolling in
all right?
Found many more 'Bill Baker's to trick?
How is the old chap these days? Gosh but you are fortunate to be
honoured by his visitations.
Oh...didn't I mention it? I have a captured alien at home. I'll let you
see it if you give me a 'donation'.
Too late, Wolfy, I excaped from your prizon.
Zork
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15 Aug 2006 05:13:59 AM |
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Too late, Wolfy, I excaped from your prizon.
Zork
ZORK! Get back here right now.
You've been happy enough to take your share of the...ummm, the
donations. Wait a minute though.....
ZORK!!! Where has my share gone? You've taken it, haven't you? Look
Zork, I'm not really angry with you..just come back, I've found some
very rich gullible 'clients'. All you have to do is mumble those odd
mystical sayings you do so well, and we'll 'clean up' the planet. You
know I can't make a decent profit with just the bearded lady and the
three-legged man.
Oh and.....grins Shast...;)
Ricky
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15 Aug 2006 04:02:14 AM |
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Bill Baker wrote:
On Mon, 14 Aug 2006 16:18:17 -0700, "Werewolfy"
<thegrimreaper10@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:1155597497.023394.66020@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Bill Baker wrote:
"Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim."
I know you intended that remark for me. Oddly enough, it fits very
nicely the scribblings of your 'Guru', Jtem the 'gifted one'.
Werewolfy
I never called him a guru, nor do I think of him as one. I'm not even
sure he's a good medium. Would you like to make any more unfounded
assumptions about me?
Do you think that he is....at very least.....a happy medium? =)
S~
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15 Aug 2006 05:21:15 AM |
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Do you think that he is....at very least.....a happy medium? =)
S~
I think we should all, 'Strike the happy medium'.
:) Werewolfy
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12 Aug 2006 03:37:41 PM |
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wrote:
Werewolfy wrote:
wrote:
sceptborg wrote:
Why is "a means to an end" cruelly ruled out by you
powerful people.
"A merchant at hand, secure you the lexicon."
Now now. Be a nice fraudster and use a sentence that makes
some sort of sense.
Now it's not that I'm saying you give skeptics a bad name,
but the question was total bunk and this fact completely
escaped you.
There's nothing "cruel" about a spirit refusing to hand you
material wealth, any more than it is "cruel" that the nearest
rich person hasn't already done so.
Riiight.
So why haven't you taken the JREF challenge ?
To save you trouble at having to search for the rules of the Challenge
and the application here is the link.
http://www.randi.org/research/challenge.html
I for one will be following your application with great interest and
look forward to your immediately entering into dialog with the JREF
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12 Aug 2006 04:19:34 PM |
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george wrote:
There's nothing "cruel" about a spirit refusing to hand you
material wealth, any more than it is "cruel" that the nearest
rich person hasn't already done so.
Riiight.
You disagree. On what basis?
Or did you mean to communicate something else, but failed?
Please be specific here.
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12 Aug 2006 07:16:12 PM |
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wrote:
george wrote:
There's nothing "cruel" about a spirit refusing to hand you
material wealth, any more than it is "cruel" that the nearest
rich person hasn't already done so.
Riiight.
You disagree. On what basis?
that you are a kook and you are avoiding the JREF challenge.
you could win a $1,000,000 prize if you weren't a fake
Or did you mean to communicate something else, but failed?
No. that you are a kook and you are avoiding the JREF challenge
Please be specific here.
you are a kook and you are avoiding the JREF challenge
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12 Aug 2006 08:08:41 PM |
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On Sat, 12 Aug 2006 17:16:12 -0700, "george" <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote in
message news:<1155428172.867579.78900@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>...
jtem01@gmail.com wrote:
george wrote:
There's nothing "cruel" about a spirit refusing to hand you
material wealth, any more than it is "cruel" that the nearest
rich person hasn't already done so.
Riiight.
You disagree. On what basis?
that you are a kook
Maybe he is and maybe he isn't. But saying that something doesn't exist
just because it won't hand you material wealth seems illogical to me.
and you are avoiding the JREF challenge.
you could win a $1,000,000 prize if you weren't a fake
Just like you could win Hovind's money if evolution was real?
--
Bushism 2-24:
"If he's--the interferences is that somehow he thinks slavery is a--is a noble
institution--I would--I would strongly reject that assumption. That John
Ashcroft is an open-minded, inclusive person."
--NBC Nightly News; January 15, 2001
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12 Aug 2006 10:17:53 PM |
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Bill Baker wrote:
On Sat, 12 Aug 2006 17:16:12 -0700, "george" <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote in
message news:<1155428172.867579.78900@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>...
jtem01@gmail.com wrote:
george wrote:
There's nothing "cruel" about a spirit refusing to hand you
material wealth, any more than it is "cruel" that the nearest
rich person hasn't already done so.
Riiight.
You disagree. On what basis?
that you are a kook
Maybe he is and maybe he isn't. But saying that something doesn't exist
just because it won't hand you material wealth seems illogical to me.
I want him to demonstrate that he can do what he claims.
So far he doesn't want to apply for the $1,000,000 challenge.
and you are avoiding the JREF challenge.
you could win a $1,000,000 prize if you weren't a fake
Just like you could win Hovind's money if evolution was real?
Riiiiight
Doesn't Hovind have a large problem with his taxes ?
The man doesn't have enough to pay his taxes how is he going to have
enough to fund any sort of challenge ?
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| Title: Re: Skeptics Invited: Channeling Nostradamus |
12 Aug 2006 10:36:04 PM |
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On Sat, 12 Aug 2006 20:17:53 -0700, "george" <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote in
message news:<1155439073.903258.51520@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>...
Bill Baker wrote:
On Sat, 12 Aug 2006 17:16:12 -0700, "george" <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote in
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jtem01@gmail.com wrote:
george wrote:
There's nothing "cruel" about a spirit refusing to hand you
material wealth, any more than it is "cruel" that the nearest
rich person hasn't already done so.
Riiight.
You disagree. On what basis?
that you are a kook
Maybe he is and maybe he isn't. But saying that something doesn't exist
just because it won't hand you material wealth seems illogical to me.
I want him to demonstrate that he can do what he claims.
So far he doesn't want to apply for the $1,000,000 challenge.
Then why don't you test him out? Why rely on someone else's test?
and you are avoiding the JREF challenge.
you could win a $1,000,000 prize if you weren't a fake
Just like you could win Hovind's money if evolution was real?
Riiiiight
Doesn't Hovind have a large problem with his taxes ?
The man doesn't have enough to pay his taxes how is he going to have
enough to fund any sort of challenge ?
He claims to have the money, just like Randi does. Plus, I don't think a
lack of funds is the reason Hovind doesn't pay taxes.
--
Bushism 1-26:
"They've seen me make decisions, they've seen me under trying times, they've
seen me weep, they've seen me laugh, they've seen me hug. And they know who I
am, and I believe they're comfortable with the fact that they know I'm not going
to shift principles or shift positions based upon polls and focus groups."
--Interview with USA Today; August 27, 2004
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| User: "george" |
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| Title: Re: Skeptics Invited: Channeling Nostradamus |
13 Aug 2006 04:16:01 PM |
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Bill Baker wrote:
On Sat, 12 Aug 2006 20:17:53 -0700, "george" <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote in
message news:<1155439073.903258.51520@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>...
Bill Baker wrote:
On Sat, 12 Aug 2006 17:16:12 -0700, "george" <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote in
message news:<1155428172.867579.78900@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>...
jtem01@gmail.com wrote:
george wrote:
There's nothing "cruel" about a spirit refusing to hand you
material wealth, any more than it is "cruel" that the nearest
rich person hasn't already done so.
Riiight.
You disagree. On what basis?
that you are a kook
Maybe he is and maybe he isn't. But saying that something doesn't exist
just because it won't hand you material wealth seems illogical to me.
I want him to demonstrate that he can do what he claims.
So far he doesn't want to apply for the $1,000,000 challenge.
Then why don't you test him out? Why rely on someone else's test?
and you are avoiding the JREF challenge.
you could win a $1,000,000 prize if you weren't a fake
Just like you could win Hovind's money if evolution was real?
Riiiiight
Doesn't Hovind have a large problem with his taxes ?
The man doesn't have enough to pay his taxes how is he going to have
enough to fund any sort of challenge ?
He claims to have the money, just like Randi does.
The JREF (not Randi) does have the money.
See http://www.randi.org/research/faq.html#3.1
Plus, I don't think a
lack of funds is the reason Hovind doesn't pay taxes.
Hovind is presently facing income tax charges. All his 'creation'
museum and allied buffoonery has been closed down.
The JREF does have the money.
Were you actually interested in the Challenge you'd know of the other
challenges that run alongside the JREF challenge.
See http://www.aske-skeptics.org.uk/AwardList.html
For a history of Hovind and his various scrapes
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_Hovind
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| User: "Bill Baker" |
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| Title: Re: Skeptics Invited: Channeling Nostradamus |
13 Aug 2006 06:32:56 PM |
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george wrote:
Bill Baker wrote:
On Sat, 12 Aug 2006 20:17:53 -0700, "george" <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote in
message news:<1155439073.903258.51520@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>...
Bill Baker wrote:
On Sat, 12 Aug 2006 17:16:12 -0700, "george" <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote in
message news:<1155428172.867579.78900@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>...
jtem01@gmail.com wrote:
george wrote:
There's nothing "cruel" about a spirit refusing to hand you
material wealth, any more than it is "cruel" that the nearest
rich person hasn't already done so.
Riiight.
You disagree. On what basis?
that you are a kook
Maybe he is and maybe he isn't. But saying that something doesn't exist
just because it won't hand you material wealth seems illogical to me.
I want him to demonstrate that he can do what he claims.
So far he doesn't want to apply for the $1,000,000 challenge.
Then why don't you test him out? Why rely on someone else's test?
Well...? You said that you want him to demonstrate he can do what he
claims. He's here in this newsgroup now. Why don't you test him out
yourself and decide for yourself, rather than wait for Randi's word on
high?
and you are avoiding the JREF challenge.
you could win a $1,000,000 prize if you weren't a fake
Just like you could win Hovind's money if evolution was real?
Riiiiight
Doesn't Hovind have a large problem with his taxes ?
The man doesn't have enough to pay his taxes how is he going to have
enough to fund any sort of challenge ?
He claims to have the money, just like Randi does.
The JREF (not Randi) does have the money.
See http://www.randi.org/research/faq.html#3.1
That doesn't mean that Hovind doesn't have the money.
Plus, I don't think a
lack of funds is the reason Hovind doesn't pay taxes.
Hovind is presently facing income tax charges. All his 'creation'
museum and allied buffoonery has been closed down.
That still doesn't mean that Hovind doesn't have the money.
The JREF does have the money.
Never said they didn't.
Were you actually interested in the Challenge you'd know of the other
challenges that run alongside the JREF challenge.
See http://www.aske-skeptics.org.uk/AwardList.html
But I am discussing the JREF challenge because that is the only one
that is brought up by people like yourself who wish to dismiss any and
all claims to psychic powers.
For a history of Hovind and his various scrapes
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_Hovind
I am aware of Hovind's dishonesty and tax evasion. And I know there
are differences between Hovind and Randi, but their differences are
minor compared to their similarities, in my opinion.
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| User: "JTEM" |
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| Title: Moron Skeptics: Channeling Nostradamus |
13 Aug 2006 12:47:34 AM |
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george wrote:
I want him to demonstrate that he can do what he
claims. So far he doesn't want to apply for the
$1,000,000 challenge.
I can't "Prove" anything to people who simply refuse to
see the truth. Watch. I'll demonstrate. I'll show an
idiot that he's an idiot, yet he will impose blindness on
himself, refusing to see the obvious:
How do I "Prove" that I am channeling Nostradamus?
Accuracy? How accurate? Nostradamus himself was
quick to point out that the future was not set, that we
could avoid the things he foretold. And if the future of
a nation can be changed, just think of how much less
it would take to change the future of an individual.
And I'm not speaking of just you here. You are FAR
from alone in influencing your life. For example, if
Nostradamus revealed that you would get into a car
accident next Thursday, you would have the power to
remain home on Thursday, locked in your bathroom,
refusing to go near a car. You could avoid the accident.
You would have that power.
For another example, a total stranger could just as
easily reshape your future. Just as you might freely
choose to alter your path through life, a total stranger
might do the same, perhaps delaying the driver who
would have hit you in some way, causing the accident to
not occur. This might be as easily accomplished as
simply choosing to visit a different coffee shop that
morning -- one the driver who would hit you visits
regularly -- making the line that much longer, delaying
the driver by just a few minutes.
Not only is this within the realm of possibilities, it is
quite common. As rare or difficult it might be to
alter the currents of time on a macro level -- the fate
of nations -- it is by far more common and easier on
the micro scale of the individual. For though I may not
be capable of altering the course of a mighty river
with my bare hands, I could use my hands to scoop
out water, depositing it elsewhere.
So, apart from 100% accuracy (something Nostradamus
himself never claimed) what could "Prove" my abilities?
And does it have to be Nostradamus? What if it was
really "Ed" I was channeling, a Chicago meat packer
who died in a train wreck 100 years ago? How do I
"Prove" it is Nostradamus himself, and not this "Ed"
fellow?
Personal history? Have him reveal a little known fact
in the life of Nostradamus? Please. I sincerely doubt
that there is anything about the life of Nostradamus that
I either do not know or could not find out. And wouldn't
such a test require us to take historical accounts &
records as gospel?
And, heck, I've yet to describe the nature of my
communications with Nostradamus -- how it takes
place, what it entails. But you don't care, you've
never even asked me. Instead, you've simply decided,
all on your own, that this method lends itself to some
completely undefined/undescribed "test" that you are
equally ignorant of.
There. Now, the fact that you are a moron revealed,
how do you respond?
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