As many of you may already be aware, I am an
accomplished medium who has often channeled
none other than Nostradamus himself.
Though unpaid, my work in the spiritual realm is
both productive and rewarding. Every time I
think of all the celebrities, CEOs, community
leaders & national politicians that I've been able
to guide towards success through the use of my
gifts, I can't help but feel a sense of pride of such
an extant that I dare call it "sinful."
I know we all should be humbled by a power greater
than ourselves, and in my case doubly so, as
through my gifts I am in touch with that power on
a daily basis. And I assure you, as unvirtuous as
my expressed pride might seem, that despite my
powers I remain as human as the rest of you, with all
those same human faults & human frailties that
plague the rest of mankind. I would be less virtuous,
not more so, should I lie or otherwise conceal the
pride I feel towards my undeserved role in shaping
world events.
Now, as I said, I do not get paid for my work. However,
I do accept donations from those seeking guidance.
And, yes, more often than a perfect world would allow,
I am forced by circumstances to defer to those who
make a donation over those who do not. But I am not
in it for the money, and I will prove this to all of you
now.
What do you want to know? What secrets would you
like revealed?
The world is open to you, the sky your limit with but
one caveat: Ask me a question to gain information
and nothing else.
If, for example, you asked me tomorrow's Lotto
number I would ignore you. For the information itself
is not an end, but a means toward an end, with that
end being great wealth.
The same applies to stocks, commodities or any other
investment item. It can even apply towards seemingly
innocuous facts, like the fate of an ancient ancestor.
Your motives define it's validity.
Any question asked out of curiousity, or to satisfy an
entirely personal desire, is entirely valid. This is because
the information itself is the goal. If, on the other hand,
you are looking for a little insight so that you might
write the next Dan Brown style blockbuster novel, the
information is not the goal but a means towards an
end. It would be invalid.
This is important. There is a real danger here. If you
ask a question when in fact it is not the answer you
seek, but merely intend to use the answer to secure
some other goal, you risk disater. For, although I
can gaurantee you that all responses I present will be
technically true & technically accurate, the spirits will
respond to impure questions with ambiguity, often
times even to the point of being deliberately misleading.
I myself do not see the future. I myself do not know
any great secrets, or have the power to peer into the
hearts of men. I channel the spirits, and the spirit of
Nostradamus in particular, and I report back what they
have revealed to me. Unless it is something obvious,
like a lottery number, I may not recognize your question
as invalid, I may not know to not ask it. In short, I
may not be able to protect you from the potential
ruin of a "technically" true & accurate answer that
is deliberately vague and likely booby trapped with
misleading language that will steer you towards ruin.
Enlightment is yours for the asking! Go on, Skeptics,
you are hereby challenged to experience the solace
that only those of us exposed to the truth and in
touch with a power greater than ourselves have known.
Ask away! You have nothing to lose but your own skepticism.
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12 Aug 2006 04:12:59 PM |
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<jtem01@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1155360977.828857.33540@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
As many of you may already be aware, I am an
accomplished medium who has often channeled
none other than Nostradamus himself.
Looney!
--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
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13 Aug 2006 03:33:37 PM |
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As many of you may already be aware, I am an
accomplished medium who has often channeled
none other than Nostradamus himself.
What do you want to know? What secrets would you
like revealed?
Ask away! You have nothing to lose but your own skepticism.
How many roads must a man walk down
Before you call him a man?
TIA.
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| User: "Bill Baker" |
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16 Aug 2006 03:29:29 PM |
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Jim Burns wrote:
jtem01@gmail.com wrote:
As many of you may already be aware, I am an
accomplished medium who has often channeled
none other than Nostradamus himself.
What do you want to know? What secrets would you
like revealed?
Ask away! You have nothing to lose but your own skepticism.
How many roads must a man walk down
Before you call him a man?
TIA.
The answer, my friend, is blowing in the wind. The answer is blowing
in the wind.
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| User: "James Burns" |
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16 Aug 2006 05:24:08 PM |
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Bill Baker wrote:
Jim Burns wrote:
jtem01@gmail.com wrote:
As many of you may already be aware, I am an
accomplished medium who has often channeled
none other than Nostradamus himself.
What do you want to know? What secrets would you
like revealed?
Ask away! You have nothing to lose but your own skepticism.
How many roads must a man walk down
Before you call him a man?
TIA.
The answer, my friend, is blowing in the wind. The answer
is blowing in the wind.
Thank you. I don't mean to be ungrateful, but I
was hoping for something more specific.
Perhaps my question wasn't challenging enough for
Nostradamus? Oh, well.
Jim Burns
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| User: "Bill Baker" |
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16 Aug 2006 05:56:28 PM |
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On Wed, 16 Aug 2006 18:24:08 -0400, James Burns <burns.87@osu.edu> wrote
in message news:44E39B08.8070109@osu.edu...
Bill Baker wrote:
Jim Burns wrote:
jtem01@gmail.com wrote:
As many of you may already be aware, I am an
accomplished medium who has often channeled
none other than Nostradamus himself.
What do you want to know? What secrets would you
like revealed?
Ask away! You have nothing to lose but your own skepticism.
How many roads must a man walk down
Before you call him a man?
TIA.
The answer, my friend, is blowing in the wind. The answer
is blowing in the wind.
Thank you. I don't mean to be ungrateful, but I
was hoping for something more specific.
Oh...well in that case, seven.
Perhaps my question wasn't challenging enough for
Nostradamus? Oh, well.
Jim Burns
--
Bushism 2-14:
"Too many good docs are getting out of the business. Too many OB/GYNs aren't
able to practice their love with women all across the country."
--Poplar Bluff, Missouri; September 6, 2004
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17 Aug 2006 10:02:00 AM |
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On Wed, 16 Aug 2006 22:56:28 GMT, "Bill Baker"
<wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote:
On Wed, 16 Aug 2006 18:24:08 -0400, James Burns <burns.87@osu.edu> wrote
in message news:44E39B08.8070109@osu.edu...
Bill Baker wrote:
Jim Burns wrote:
jtem01@gmail.com wrote:
As many of you may already be aware, I am an
accomplished medium who has often channeled
none other than Nostradamus himself.
What do you want to know? What secrets would you
like revealed?
Ask away! You have nothing to lose but your own skepticism.
How many roads must a man walk down
Before you call him a man?
TIA.
The answer, my friend, is blowing in the wind. The answer
is blowing in the wind.
Thank you. I don't mean to be ungrateful, but I
was hoping for something more specific.
Oh...well in that case, seven.
You're being too nice to him, Bill. This "jim burns" troll is a real
*****. Ain't that right, "James"? :)
______________________________
Bretts for Jesus (sworn and bitter enemy of bobandcarole)
"I solemntly vow never again to allow myself rest or relaxation or respite until
we bring about the liberation of a.p.h. from bobandcarole's tyrannous oppression."
-- Bretts for Jesus
Onward Christian Soldiers!
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| User: "Bill Baker" |
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17 Aug 2006 09:30:00 PM |
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On Thu, 17 Aug 2006 15:02:00 +0000, Bretts for Jesus
<Hallelujah@InJesusName.amen> wrote in message
news:k419e2d66s3slovfdgbv4hve4e950eqib7@4ax.com...
On Wed, 16 Aug 2006 22:56:28 GMT, "Bill Baker"
<wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote:
On Wed, 16 Aug 2006 18:24:08 -0400, James Burns <burns.87@osu.edu> wrote
in message news:44E39B08.8070109@osu.edu...
Bill Baker wrote:
Jim Burns wrote:
jtem01@gmail.com wrote:
As many of you may already be aware, I am an
accomplished medium who has often channeled
none other than Nostradamus himself.
What do you want to know? What secrets would you
like revealed?
Ask away! You have nothing to lose but your own skepticism.
How many roads must a man walk down
Before you call him a man?
TIA.
The answer, my friend, is blowing in the wind. The answer
is blowing in the wind.
Thank you. I don't mean to be ungrateful, but I
was hoping for something more specific.
Oh...well in that case, seven.
You're being too nice to him, Bill. This "jim burns" troll is a real
*****. Ain't that right, "James"? :)
______________________________
Obviously you've never encountered Kadaitcha Man.
--
Bushism 2-28:
"One of the most meaningful things that's happened to me since I've been the
governor--the president--governor--president. Oops. Ex-governor. I went to
Bethesda Naval Hospital to give a fellow a Purple Heart, and at the same moment
I watched him--get a Purple Heart for action in Iraq--and at that same--right
after I gave him the Purple Heart, he was sworn in as a citizen of the United
States--a Mexican citizen, now a United States citizen."
--Washington, D.C.; January 9, 2004
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12 Aug 2006 04:28:17 PM |
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wrote:
As many of you may already be aware, I am an
accomplished medium who has often channeled
none other than Nostradamus himself.
....
What do you want to know? What secrets would you
like revealed?
Ask away! You have nothing to lose but your own skepticism.
Ok, when do I die? I'll compare the results to the death clock:
http://www.deathclock.com/ and split the difference.
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| User: "" |
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12 Aug 2006 04:44:56 PM |
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Dave wrote:
Ok, when do I die? I'll compare the results to the death clock:
http://www.deathclock.com/ and split the difference.
I have successfully channeled Nostradamus, and he has
revealed the following:
"As the Continental, less three."
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| User: "Perseid" |
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12 Aug 2006 06:43:24 PM |
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Spat the Words
Dave wrote:
Ok, when do I die? I'll compare the results to the death clock:
http://www.deathclock.com/ and split the difference.
I have successfully channeled Nostradamus, and he has
revealed the following:
"As the Continental, less three."
You're Lying. Nosty Never Said That.
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| User: "sceptborg" |
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13 Aug 2006 07:23:33 AM |
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wrote:
Dave wrote:
Ok, when do I die? I'll compare the results to the death clock:
http://www.deathclock.com/ and split the difference.
I have successfully channeled Nostradamus, and he has
revealed the following:
"As the Continental, less three."
Clearly that is a Lotto number N has let slip out.
Just the one question.
What day is that for?
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| User: "" |
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13 Aug 2006 01:59:46 PM |
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sceptborg wrote:
jtem01@gmail.com wrote:
"As the Continental, less three."
Clearly that is a Lotto number N has let slip out.
Just the one question.
What day is that for?
I have successfully channeled Nostradamus, the
greatest Seer of all time, and he has revealed the
following to me:
"Klaatu barada nikto"
Careful how you interpret it though. It may..
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| User: "" |
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13 Aug 2006 07:25:33 AM |
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wrote:
Dave wrote:
Ok, when do I die? I'll compare the results to the death clock:
http://www.deathclock.com/ and split the difference.
I have successfully channeled Nostradamus, and he has
revealed the following:
"As the Continental, less three."
Well, that's a great help with my pension planning. What about the end
of the world, any advance on 1999?
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| User: "Bill Baker" |
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14 Aug 2006 02:31:04 PM |
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wrote:
jtem01@gmail.com wrote:
Dave wrote:
Ok, when do I die? I'll compare the results to the death clock:
http://www.deathclock.com/ and split the difference.
I have successfully channeled Nostradamus, and he has
revealed the following:
"As the Continental, less three."
Well, that's a great help with my pension planning. What about the end
of the world, any advance on 1999?
I gotcha covered on that one. It will happen around the year
5,000,001,999 CE, give or take.
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| User: "" |
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13 Aug 2006 08:05:18 AM |
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wrote:
I have successfully channeled Nostradamus, and he has
revealed the following:
"As the Continental, less three."
Well, that's a great help with my pension planning.
Yes. I can just imagine. Though I caution you against
taking it as gospel. One might as easily view it as a
potential. It may even be surpassed with the correct
attitude and alterations to your diet.
What about the end of the world, any advance on 1999?
This is a question that has come up often. For the time
being, I am forced by circumstances to defer to members
of my organization, "The Brotherhood of Nostradamus."
Access to my organization is open to the general pupblic
at three levels: Court Yard, Great Hall and Inner Sanctum.
The Court Yard access goes to those who donate as little
as $20 per month, three month minimum (paid in advance).
It not only gives the average person complete access to
my weekly e-mail newsletter, but comes with a certificate
of membership suitable for framing.
Each certificate has been personally blessed by me, and
is guaranteed to ward of demons and evil spirits -- which
can often take on the appearance of "Bad Luck" -- for a
radius of 40 feet or more. Additional certificates can be
had for a separate donation. A 5% discount on important
supplies, available only through my newsletter, is also
granted to all Court Yard members.
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13 Aug 2006 02:49:35 PM |
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wrote:
dwickford@yahoo.com wrote:
I have successfully channeled Nostradamus, and he has
revealed the following:
"As the Continental, less three."
Well, that's a great help with my pension planning.
Yes. I can just imagine. Though I caution you against
taking it as gospel. One might as easily view it as a
potential. It may even be surpassed with the correct
attitude and alterations to your diet.
What about the end of the world, any advance on 1999?
This is a question that has come up often. For the time
being, I am forced by circumstances to defer to members
of my organization, "The Brotherhood of Nostradamus."
Access to my organization is open to the general pupblic
at three levels: Court Yard, Great Hall and Inner Sanctum.
The Court Yard access goes to those who donate as little
as $20 per month, three month minimum (paid in advance).
It not only gives the average person complete access to
my weekly e-mail newsletter, but comes with a certificate
of membership suitable for framing.
Each certificate has been personally blessed by me, and
is guaranteed to ward of demons and evil spirits -- which
can often take on the appearance of "Bad Luck" -- for a
radius of 40 feet or more. Additional certificates can be
had for a separate donation. A 5% discount on important
supplies, available only through my newsletter, is also
granted to all Court Yard members.
Here is a random bible quote in reply: Leviticus 26:3-4. KJV (not
copyright):
If ye walk in my statutes, and keep my commandments, and do them; Then
I will give you rain in due season, and the land shall yield her
increase, and the trees of the field shall yield their fruit.
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14 Aug 2006 10:09:45 AM |
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wrote:
dwickford@yahoo.com wrote:
I have successfully channeled Nostradamus, and he has
revealed the following:
"As the Continental, less three."
Well, that's a great help with my pension planning.
Yes. I can just imagine. Though I caution you against
taking it as gospel. One might as easily view it as a
potential. It may even be surpassed with the correct
attitude and alterations to your diet.
What about the end of the world, any advance on 1999?
This is a question that has come up often. For the time
being, I am forced by circumstances to defer to members
of my organization, "The Brotherhood of Nostradamus."
Membership: 1
Access to my organization is open to the general pupblic
at three levels: Court Yard, Great Hall and Inner Sanctum.
The Court Yard access goes to those who donate as little
as $20 per month, three month minimum (paid in advance).
It not only gives the average person complete access to
my weekly e-mail newsletter, but comes with a certificate
of membership suitable for framing.
Sounds like a bargain. Why not simply win a million and you can build
your organization a nice headquarters including a court yard, great hall
and inner sanctum with the money that will roll your way.
Each certificate has been personally blessed by me, and
is guaranteed to ward of demons and evil spirits -- which
can often take on the appearance of "Bad Luck" -- for a
radius of 40 feet or more. Additional certificates can be
had for a separate donation. A 5% discount on important
supplies, available only through my newsletter, is also
granted to all Court Yard members.
Hmm, these certificates sound like something that could be tested quite
easily if you dared to apply. Not that you will of course.
--
"Hello. I'm Leonard Nimoy. The following tale of alien encounters is
true. And by true, I mean false. It's all lies. But they're entertaining
lies. And in the end, isn't that the real truth? The answer is: No."
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14 Aug 2006 11:45:11 AM |
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Cardinal Chunder wrote:
Hmm, these certificates sound like something that
could be tested quite easily if you dared to apply.
Not that you will of course.
Not that I'm skeptical -- though I am -- but how exactly do
we go about "testing" a certificate?
Please, by all means, read what I stated instead of what
who wanted to read, then respond to my question.
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14 Aug 2006 12:14:05 PM |
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wrote:
Cardinal Chunder wrote:
Hmm, these certificates sound like something that
could be tested quite easily if you dared to apply.
Not that you will of course.
Not that I'm skeptical -- though I am -- but how exactly do
we go about "testing" a certificate?
Please, by all means, read what I stated instead of what
who wanted to read, then respond to my question.
Are you saying you can't think of a way to test something that is
"guaranteed to ward of demons and evil spirits -- which can often take
on the appearance of "Bad Luck" -- for a radius of 40 feet or more"?
I suggest that one simple way is to perform better than chance in some
randomized test, e.g. picking 5 out of 6 cups that cover an object.
There would be something like 60 cups in total with the rest empty to
make the chances of winning by chance virtually impossible.
You can clutch one of your beloved certificates tightly to your chest
while picking to ward off the "bad luck" of losing and walking away with
nothing.
Excuses at the ready...
--
"Hello. I'm Leonard Nimoy. The following tale of alien encounters is
true. And by true, I mean false. It's all lies. But they're entertaining
lies. And in the end, isn't that the real truth? The answer is: No."
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14 Aug 2006 07:32:57 PM |
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Cardinal Chunder wrote:
Please, by all means, read what I stated instead of what
who wanted to read, then respond to my question.
Are you saying you can't think of a way to test something
that is "guaranteed to ward of demons and evil spirits --
which can often take on the appearance of "Bad Luck" --
for a radius of 40 feet or more"?
Maybe I'm going too fast for you...
I don't believe Randi what's-his-name has any intention of
ever giving out the prize money. Quite frankly, I'm not at
all certain that he even has it to give out.
So, I'm asking you, what kind of "test" would satify the
criteria of this imaginary "Prize"?
I suggest that one simple way is to perform better than
chance in some randomized test,
What, are you insane?
When did I claim the certificate would bring on supernatural
powers? I'll help you out on this one: I didn't say it. In fact,
what I did say is that it would ward off supernatural beings.
You can clutch one of your beloved certificates tightly to
your chest while picking to ward off the "bad luck" of
losing and walking away with nothing.
So in what passes for your mind, "Warding off demons &
evil spirits" means "Perforrming way better chance at
some game."
How on earth do you justify this?
Excuses at the ready...
You're an idiot. No, wait. I'm serious.
You're such a frigging idiot you don't even know how to be
a skeptic...
"Well, gee, I once heard something about a randomized
test. I think I'll parrot that for a while. That'll make me a
for real skeptical person, for sure!"
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15 Aug 2006 02:24:24 PM |
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wrote:
Cardinal Chunder wrote:
Please, by all means, read what I stated instead of what
who wanted to read, then respond to my question.
Are you saying you can't think of a way to test something
that is "guaranteed to ward of demons and evil spirits --
which can often take on the appearance of "Bad Luck" --
for a radius of 40 feet or more"?
Maybe I'm going too fast for you...
I don't believe Randi what's-his-name has any intention of
ever giving out the prize money.
The rules are very straightforward. You demonstrate your powers in a
pre-agreed manner. You win a million dollars.
So it's no wonder that you start making the usual feeble excuses.
Quite frankly, I'm not at
all certain that he even has it to give out.
Randi & the JREF provide more than adequate ways to verify that the
money is there. Since the JREF is a non-charitable organisation it must
even file a tax return which declares the money. If you think they don't
have the money, I suggest you contact the IRS.
So, I'm asking you, what kind of "test" would satify the
criteria of this imaginary "Prize"?
I suggest that one simple way is to perform better than
chance in some randomized test,
What, are you insane?
When did I claim the certificate would bring on supernatural
powers? I'll help you out on this one: I didn't say it. In fact,
what I did say is that it would ward off supernatural beings.
Duh, perhaps when you said "Each certificate has been personally blessed
by me, and is guaranteed to ward of demons and evil spirits". Are you
saying that demons and evil spirits are not supernatural beings?
Are you dense or what?
your chest while picking to ward off the "bad luck" of
losing and walking away with nothing.
So in what passes for your mind, "Warding off demons &
evil spirits" means "Perforrming way better chance at
some game."
How on earth do you justify this?
Duh, "guaranteed to ward of demons and evil spirits -- which
can often take on the appearance of "Bad Luck" -- for a
radius of 40 feet or more"
Do these certificates ward off bad luck or not? Bad luck is as easy to
test for as good luck.
Excuses at the ready...
You're an idiot. No, wait. I'm serious.
You're such a frigging idiot you don't even know how to be
a skeptic...
Seeing as you're the one failing miserably to "channel" Nostradamus, and
attempting to hawk phoney baloney bits of paper for $20. I'd say you're
the idiot. Or delusional. Or a fraud. Or a combination of all three.
Take your pick.
"Well, gee, I once heard something about a randomized
test. I think I'll parrot that for a while. That'll make me a
for real skeptical person, for sure!"
Are you going to take the challenge, or do you have some more stock
excuses lined up?
--
"Hello. I'm Leonard Nimoy. The following tale of alien encounters is
true. And by true, I mean false. It's all lies. But they're entertaining
lies. And in the end, isn't that the real truth? The answer is: No."
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| User: "JTEM" |
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15 Aug 2006 02:58:20 PM |
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Cardinal Chunder wrote:
The rules are very straightforward. You demonstrate
your powers in a pre-agreed manner. You win a
million dollars.
Okay. Great. So describe for us (without skimping
on the details) how such a test might work.
So it's no wonder that you start making the usual
feeble excuses.
Speaking of which, this makes, what, a half-dozen
or more times I've asked you nitwits to explain how
this "test" would work.
Don't you know? Are you advocating something out
of ignorance?
What's the deal here? How many MORE time do I
have to ask you to describe what you call a simple
test?
Randi & the JREF provide more than adequate ways
to verify that the money is there.
Really? We're accepting people at their word here?
I need only say something and you will accept it as
gospel?
No? You're a ***** hypocrite?
BINGO!
Since the JREF is a non-charitable organisation it
must even file a tax return which declares the
money. If you think they don't have the money, I
suggest you contact the IRS.
I'm not the one making the claim, you drooling imbecile.
The burden is on you.
When did I claim the certificate would bring on supernatural
powers? I'll help you out on this one: I didn't say it. In fact,
what I did say is that it would ward off supernatural beings.
Duh, perhaps when you said "Each certificate has been
personally blessed by me, and is guaranteed to ward of
demons and evil spirits". Are you saying that demons and
evil spirits are not supernatural beings?
Are you dense or what?
They don't have reading comprehension where you come from,
do they?
Because, if they did, you would have taken one look at
"In fact, what I did say is that it would ward off supernatural
beings" and know what a fucking idiot you are.
So in what passes for your mind, "Warding off demons &
evil spirits" means "Perforrming way better chance at
some game."
How on earth do you justify this?
Duh, "guaranteed to ward of demons and evil spirits -- which
can often take on the appearance of "Bad Luck" -- for a
radius of 40 feet or more"
Do these certificates ward off bad luck or not? Bad luck is
as easy to test for as good luck.
Yeah. So? Is it in, in the throws of your stupidity, you were
thinking that the absence of something which can be mistaken
for bad luck means the absence of bad luck?
That would be stupid.
And were you also thinking that the absence of bad luck
means good luck to such an extent that it qualifies as
evidence of the supernatural?
That would be retarded.
And, oh, as retarded as it would be, it is precisely what
your "test" is based on.
Are you going to take the challenge, or do you have
some more stock excuses lined up?
Sure! No problem!
Now describe for me a real challenge, and show me the
money. As I stated -- you fled from -- I don't believe there
is any money. Show it to me. "Prove" it's there.
You don't honestly expect me to accept less than you
yourself demand, do you?
Even a retard like you couldn't be THAT stupid... could you?
--
"Hello. I'm Leonard Nimoy. The following tale of alien encounters is
true. And by true, I mean false. It's all lies. But they're entertaining
lies. And in the end, isn't that the real truth? The answer is: No."
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| User: "Alan Morgan" |
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| Title: Re: Skeptics Invited: Channeling Nostradamus |
15 Aug 2006 07:49:24 PM |
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In article <1155671900.208444.3080@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote:
Cardinal Chunder wrote:
The rules are very straightforward. You demonstrate
your powers in a pre-agreed manner. You win a
million dollars.
Okay. Great. So describe for us (without skimping
on the details) how such a test might work.
It rather depends on what you can do. There is no "one
test fits all". The first step is for you to describe,
in unambiguous terms, what it is you do. Generally,
I think, you describe a test that will demonstrate your
abilities (the problem with the JREF defining the test
is that it might not test what you claim you can do or
might have some other problem that will neutralize your
abilities). There will usually be some back and forth
refining the test, defining a confidence level and so
forth.
I have no ties to JREF, but let me describe a completely
fake scenario:
I can predict a coin toss (heads or tails) with > 50%
accuracy (I average around 60%). You will supply 10
US Silver Dollar coins and I will select one which we
will use for the test. I will flip the coin 100 times,
announcing before each flip, heads or tails. If I get
more than 55 correct then I win!
This is a completely horrible test on several grounds. The
JREF would undoubtedly insist that we use more than 100 flips
and that someone else do the tossing (presumably I write
down my guess so that I won't bias the person doing the coin
tossing). There are other issues that should be fleshed out
like the amount of time between coin tosses and whether I can
pass if I'm not getting good vibes and such. However, this is
a start. I've said what I can do, how accurate I am, and how
someone can test it.
So, what do you do, how accurate are you, and how can someone
test it?
Alan
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| User: "JTEM" |
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| Title: Re: Skeptics Invited: Channeling Nostradamus |
15 Aug 2006 11:03:31 PM |
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Alan Morgan wrote:
It rather depends on what you can do. There
is no "one test fits all". The first step is for
you to describe, in unambiguous terms, what
it is you do.
Well here are predictions I made for 2006. To this
I will add one more 2006 specific prediction, and
another non-dated prediction:
#1) A nuclear device will be used. (Note: But I
think it more likely that we'll see a test detonation
than the use of a nuclear weapon on an enemy)
Quite frankly, I'm a little surprised that this has not
come to pass yet.
#2) Oil hits a high of $100 a barrel in 2006.
At this point, I can't see this happening. It would
require U.S. participation in a major event, and
that seems unlikely so close to an election.
#3) "King Kong" wins at least three Oscars (Note: King
Kong won exactly three Oscars)
#4) The Democrats make small gains in the house.
(Note: This flies in the face of the CW, agreed, but
if you haven't noticed the CW is almost always
wrong)
#5) Delay leaves the house of representatives. (Note:
Delay already announced his departure)
#6) A high profile UFO "event" will occur in 2006. It
will involve Bush in some way -- he'll at the minimum
comment on it. (Note: This "event" is as likely to be
invented by the Whitehouse as capitalized by it)
Also, it doesn't necessarily need to be a UFO. Any
major "Space" discovery would fit the bill.
#7) The GOP keeps the Senate.
A) The present form of government will end in Egypt.
Given an 80% accuracy rate, and rounding up, I'd
have to miss no more than two.
Note: The "King Kong" prediction is not the usual
type I'd want to make. A lot of people have a great
deal of emotions invested in the outcome of things
like the Oscars, and all that energy is focused at
near the same time, all on the same place.
Anyhow, for the most part, these are examples of
"good" questions. They're all "Big," none are supposed
to happen too far into the future, and they all have a
lot of importance to a lot of people.
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| User: "Alan Morgan" |
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| Title: Re: Skeptics Invited: Channeling Nostradamus |
15 Aug 2006 11:22:27 PM |
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In article <1155701011.457940.218890@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote:
Alan Morgan wrote:
It rather depends on what you can do. There
is no "one test fits all". The first step is for
you to describe, in unambiguous terms, what
it is you do.
Well here are predictions I made for 2006. To this
I will add one more 2006 specific prediction, and
another non-dated prediction:
Leaving aside the fact that I have no way of verifying that
the predictions were made before the fact.
#1) A nuclear device will be used. (Note: But I
think it more likely that we'll see a test detonation
than the use of a nuclear weapon on an enemy)
A nuclear test? Really? I'm *stunned*. Why not predict that
the sun will rise and gravity will continue to operate?
The US conducted a sub-critial nuclear test in February.
Quite frankly, I'm a little surprised that this has not
come to pass yet.
It has.
#2) Oil hits a high of $100 a barrel in 2006.
At this point, I can't see this happening. It would
require U.S. participation in a major event, and
that seems unlikely so close to an election.
#3) "King Kong" wins at least three Oscars (Note: King
Kong won exactly three Oscars)
After the fact prediction and not exactly a big surprise.
#6) A high profile UFO "event" will occur in 2006. It
will involve Bush in some way -- he'll at the minimum
comment on it. (Note: This "event" is as likely to be
invented by the Whitehouse as capitalized by it)
Also, it doesn't necessarily need to be a UFO. Any
major "Space" discovery would fit the bill.
So.... if anything happens in space and the White House comments
on it this would be considered a hit? Is that the best you
can do?
#7) The GOP keeps the Senate.
A) The present form of government will end in Egypt.
Eventually. With no time frame it's really hard to miss on this one.
Hosni Mubarak will eventually die and that will certainly change the
"present form of government in Egypt". That's a killer prediction,
dude.
Alan
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| User: "JTEM" |
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16 Aug 2006 06:43:05 AM |
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Alan Morgan wrote:
Leaving aside the fact that I have no way of
verifying that the predictions were made
before the fact.
http://www.predictions.tv/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=62&highlight=
#1) A nuclear device will be used. (Note: But I
think it more likely that we'll see a test detonation
than the use of a nuclear weapon on an enemy)
A nuclear test? Really? I'm *stunned*. Why not predict that
the sun will rise and gravity will continue to operate?
Hmm....
The US conducted a sub-critial nuclear test in February.
If you mean "Divine Strake," it did not involve a nuclear
weapon, and did not take place in February.
Quite frankly, I'm a little surprised that this has not
come to pass yet.
It has.
If you insist that I was accurate...
#2) Oil hits a high of $100 a barrel in 2006.
At this point, I can't see this happening. It would
require U.S. participation in a major event, and
that seems unlikely so close to an election.
#3) "King Kong" wins at least three Oscars (Note: King
Kong won exactly three Oscars)
After the fact prediction and not exactly a big surprise.
"His majesty will rescue three golden men or more."
That's how it was typed out on December 22, 2005.
#6) A high profile UFO "event" will occur in 2006. It
will involve Bush in some way -- he'll at the minimum
comment on it. (Note: This "event" is as likely to be
invented by the Whitehouse as capitalized by it)
Also, it doesn't necessarily need to be a UFO. Any
major "Space" discovery would fit the bill.
So.... if anything happens in space and the White
House comments on it this would be considered a hit?
Well, to give you an example, I thought this was going
to be a "Hit" when I started to see a few headlines
discussing the possibility of life on Mars.
Is that the best you can do?
Ironic, considering that you claim that my nuclear
prediction already came true...
#7) The GOP keeps the Senate.
A) The present form of government will end in Egypt.
Eventually. With no time frame it's really hard to miss
on this one.
You're not being honest.
I specifically said:
| Anyhow, for the most part, these are examples of
| "good" questions. They're all "Big," none are supposed
| to happen too far into the future,
Hosni Mubarak will eventually die and that will certainly
change the "present form of government in Egypt".
That's a killer prediction, dude.
See, this is an example of what I was talking about.
Egypt's present form of government was created in 1971
with their constitution. It was last ammended in 1980.
Egypt's current leader took office in 1981.
I'm saying "present form of government" and you are
judging me by YOUR MISTAKE in claiming that I said
"present office holder."
There's two completely different concepts here. There's
the one I'm dealing with -- the present FORM of goverment --
and the one you're pretending I'm talking about -- the
present government.
You don't judge me by what I claim. You judge me by
your fantasies.
Alan
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| User: "Alan Morgan" |
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| Title: Re: Skeptics Invited: Channeling Nostradamus |
16 Aug 2006 11:02:35 AM |
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In article <1155728585.420433.313570@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote:
Alan Morgan wrote:
Leaving aside the fact that I have no way of
verifying that the predictions were made
before the fact.
http://www.predictions.tv/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=62&highlight=
#3) "King Kong" wins at least three Oscars (Note: King
Kong won exactly three Oscars)
After the fact prediction and not exactly a big surprise.
"His majesty will rescue three golden men or more."
That's how it was typed out on December 22, 2005.
I don't see anything about King Kong. When did you predict that King
Kong would win three oscars? That seems like an after the fact
prediction, just like I said. Making vague statements and then
post-dicting them into reality is nothing impressive.
#6) A high profile UFO "event" will occur in 2006. It
will involve Bush in some way -- he'll at the minimum
comment on it. (Note: This "event" is as likely to be
invented by the Whitehouse as capitalized by it)
Also, it doesn't necessarily need to be a UFO. Any
major "Space" discovery would fit the bill.
So.... if anything happens in space and the White
House comments on it this would be considered a hit?
Well, to give you an example, I thought this was going
to be a "Hit" when I started to see a few headlines
discussing the possibility of life on Mars.
Is there a year in which something interesting *hasn't* been
announced in space?
Is that the best you can do?
Ironic, considering that you claim that my nuclear
prediction already came true...
Given that Pakistan and India have nukes and North Korea and
Iran are close *and* that we are fighting in the Middle East,
I don't think this is a particularly mind boggling prediction.
#7) The GOP keeps the Senate.
A) The present form of government will end in Egypt.
Eventually. With no time frame it's really hard to miss
on this one.
You're not being honest.
I specifically said:
| Anyhow, for the most part, these are examples of
| "good" questions. They're all "Big," none are supposed
| to happen too far into the future,
Hosni Mubarak will eventually die and that will certainly
change the "present form of government in Egypt".
That's a killer prediction, dude.
See, this is an example of what I was talking about.
Egypt's present form of government was created in 1971
with their constitution. It was last ammended in 1980.
Egypt's current leader took office in 1981.
I'm saying "present form of government" and you are
judging me by YOUR MISTAKE in claiming that I said
"present office holder."
No, I'm claiming that Mubarak wields an enormous amount
of power, has declared a constatnt state of emergency,
and generally ran unopposed. When he dies the government
will undoubtedly change (either it will become pseudo-dynastic
if one of his sons takes over) or it might become drastically
more open.
Plus, I'd just bet that you'd claim that as a victory if it
happened.
Alan
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| User: "JTEM" |
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| Title: Re: Skeptics Invited: Channeling Nostradamus |
16 Aug 2006 11:27:36 AM |
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Alan Morgan wrote:
"His majesty will rescue three golden men or more."
That's how it was typed out on December 22, 2005.
I don't see anything about King Kong.
Fine. You don't. What do you want me to do, put a gun
to your head and force you to claim otherwise?
If there's some (reasonable) way I can prove it to you,
please let me know.
Well, to give you an example, I thought this was going
to be a "Hit" when I started to see a few headlines
discussing the possibility of life on Mars.
Is there a year in which something interesting *hasn't* been
announced in space?
Well I thought the "interesting" was specific to life.
Otherwise I could have simply pointed to one of those
many interesting things that always happen, and claim
it was a hit.
But I haven't done that, now have I?
Ironic, considering that you claim that my nuclear
prediction already came true...
Given that Pakistan and India have nukes and North
Korea and Iran are close *and* that we are fighting
in the Middle East, I don't think this is a particularly
mind boggling prediction.
So what? Really. You're just being arrogant and
pretending that it's skepticism.
I'm saying "present form of government" and you are
judging me by YOUR MISTAKE in claiming that I said
"present office holder."
No, I'm claiming that Mubarak wields an enormous amount
of power, has declared a constatnt state of emergency,
and generally ran unopposed. When he dies the government
will undoubtedly change
That's irrelevant, not to mention dishonest. Obviously when
Mubarak dies the government will change -- exactly as the
government changed after Sadat died -- but I never talked
about that.
What I said was THE FORM of government would change.
Not that a particular office holder would change, not that an
entire administration would change (I never so much as
addressed these), what I said is that THE FORM of government
would change.
Plus, I'd just bet that you'd claim that as a victory if it
happened.
Again, you're not a skeptic.
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| User: "Alan Morgan" |
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| Title: Re: Skeptics Invited: Channeling Nostradamus |
16 Aug 2006 06:04:05 PM |
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In article <1155745656.152405.248270@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote:
Alan Morgan wrote:
"His majesty will rescue three golden men or more."
That's how it was typed out on December 22, 2005.
I don't see anything about King Kong.
Fine. You don't. What do you want me to do, put a gun
to your head and force you to claim otherwise?
No, I'd like you to show me something about King Kong. All
I'm asking is to see the predictions before the fact. The
only ones you've shown me are vague enough that they could
mean anything and the more specific versions appear to have
been generated after the fact.
If there's some (reasonable) way I can prove it to you,
please let me know.
I predict that you will attempt to convince me by, ahem,
"fleecing the weary ones". I'm pretty sure I'm right about
this.
I'll let you know what that means after you've done it.
You are getting warmer. Warmer. Oooooh, colder.
Alan
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| User: "JTEM" |
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| Title: Re: Skeptics Invited: Channeling Nostradamus |
16 Aug 2006 07:37:17 PM |
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Alan Morgan wrote:
Fine. You don't. What do you want me to do, put a gun
to your head and force you to claim otherwise?
No, I'd like you to show me something about King Kong.
Great. Just great. How does it feel to want? Because, like
I said, I never posted anything on the internet. E-mails?
Sure! But we both know that I could just pull any old
e-mail up in an editor and make it say anything that I
want.
So why the obsession? You made it clear that you are
going to cherry pick at will, and I made it clear that I'm
going to call you on it.
And, yeah, you ARE cherry picking.
HINT: Tom Delay.
As nothing is going to alter this course, why your
continued obsession?
I mean, besides being pathetic.
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