What else is coming out way, Charly?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6108496.stm
Britain is 'surveillance society'
Fears that the UK would "sleep-walk into a surveillance society" have become
a reality, the government's information commissioner has said.
Richard Thomas, who said he raised concerns two years ago, spoke after
research found people's actions were increasingly being monitored.
The Surveillance Studies Network report said there are up to 4.2m CCTV
cameras - about one for every 14 people.
Other techniques are used to record work rate, buying habits and movements.
Surveillance will increase in the next decade, the report added.
'Looser laws'
The report's co-writer Dr David Murakami-Wood told BBC News that, compared
to other industrialised Western states, the UK was "the most surveilled
country".
"We have more CCTV cameras and we have looser laws on privacy and data
protection," he said.
"We really do have a society which is premised both on state secrecy and the
state not giving up its supposed right to keep information under control
while, at the same time, wanting to know as much as it can about us."
The research says surveillance ranges from the US national security agency
monitoring all telecommunications traffic passing through Britain to key
stroke information used to gauge work rates and global positioning satellite
information tracking company vehicles.
The report also highlights "dataveillance" - the combination of credit card,
mobile phone and loyalty card information for marketing purposes.
Mr Thomas called for a debate about the risks if information gathered is
wrong or falls into the wrong hands.
"We've got to say where do we want the lines to be drawn? How much do we
want to have surveillance changing the nature of society in a democratic
nation?" he told the BBC.
"We're not luddites, we're not technophobes, but we are saying not least
don't forget the fundamental importance of data protection, which I'm
responsible for.
"Sometimes it gets dismissed as something which is rather bureaucratic, it
stops you sorting out your granny's electricity bills. People grumble about
data protection, but boy is it important in this new age.
"When data protection puts those fundamental safeguards in place, we must
make sure that some of these lines are not crossed."
'Balance needed'
The report will be presented to the 28th International Data Protection and
Privacy Commissioners' Conference in London on Thursday, hosted by the
Information Commissioner's Office.
The office is an independent body established to promote access to official
data and to protect personal details.
The Department for Constitutional Affairs (DCA) said there needed to be a
balance between sharing information responsibly and respecting the citizen's
rights.
A spokesman said: "Massive social and technological advances have occurred
in the last few decades and will continue in the years to come.
"We must rise to the challenges and seize the opportunities it provides for
individual citizens and society as a whole."
Graham Gerrard from the Association of Chief Police Officers (Acpo) said
there were safeguards against the abuse of surveillance by officers.
"The police use of surveillance is probably the most regulated of any group
in society," he told the BBC.
"Richard Thomas was particularly concerned about unseen, uncontrolled or
excessive surveillance. Well, any of the police surveillance that is unseen
is in fact controlled and has to be proportionate otherwise it would never
get authorised."
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| User: "Charly the Bastard" |
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03 Nov 2006 06:03:59 AM |
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John Lemke wrote:
What else is coming out way, Charly?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6108496.stm
Britain is 'surveillance society'
Read "re: Bush moves toward Martial Law" posted upstream by yours truely. If
that doesn't pucker your chair, nothing will.
Charly
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| User: "John Lemke" |
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03 Nov 2006 06:11:53 AM |
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"Charly the *****" <nitecrawler7@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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John Lemke wrote:
What else is coming out way, Charly?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6108496.stm
Britain is 'surveillance society'
Read "re: Bush moves toward Martial Law" posted upstream by yours truely.
If
that doesn't pucker your chair, nothing will.
Charly
Thanks for that, Charly. I saw that a day or two ago and printed it for
local distribution. :-)
Good on ya, mate!
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| User: "Perseid" |
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03 Nov 2006 07:02:59 AM |
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After Much Chewing of Cud and Cogitation, "John Lemke"
<jflemke@locallink.net> Spat the Words
"Charly the *****" <nitecrawler7@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:454B302C.8DEE49E6@worldnet.att.net...
John Lemke wrote:
What else is coming out way, Charly?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6108496.stm
Britain is 'surveillance society'
Read "re: Bush moves toward Martial Law" posted upstream by yours truely.
If
that doesn't pucker your chair, nothing will.
Charly
Thanks for that, Charly. I saw that a day or two ago and printed it for
local distribution. :-)
Good on ya, mate!
I also had forwarded that on to a few people in national mass media,
just in case they missed that enactment with the signing of the other
major legislation on the same day.
I asked those people to take a look at it, and give it some publicity.
Prohibition of the US Military from domestic US Law Enforcement
activities is a fundamental part of our Constitution and should
not be treated lightly.
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| User: "John Lemke" |
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03 Nov 2006 08:14:16 AM |
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"Perseid" <eidpers@anti-spam.comcast.net> wrote in message
news:Xns98703D8AF3546rrfkwrantispamattbic@216.196.97.136...
After Much Chewing of Cud and Cogitation, "John Lemke"
<jflemke@locallink.net> Spat the Words
"Charly the *****" <nitecrawler7@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:454B302C.8DEE49E6@worldnet.att.net...
John Lemke wrote:
What else is coming out way, Charly?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6108496.stm
Britain is 'surveillance society'
Read "re: Bush moves toward Martial Law" posted upstream by yours
truely.
If
that doesn't pucker your chair, nothing will.
Charly
Thanks for that, Charly. I saw that a day or two ago and printed it for
local distribution. :-)
Good on ya, mate!
I also had forwarded that on to a few people in national mass media,
just in case they missed that enactment with the signing of the other
major legislation on the same day.
I asked those people to take a look at it, and give it some publicity.
Prohibition of the US Military from domestic US Law Enforcement
activities is a fundamental part of our Constitution and should
not be treated lightly.
Yeah!!!!!!! The internet has become a powerful tool for democracy. The
powers that be are going to have to do something about that.
Washington Watch
FCC Chairman Martin Gives Public Interest Safeguards a "Pocket Veto"
Future of Internet Further Imperiled by FCC's Tacit Rejection of Broadband
Common Carriage
http://www.democraticmedia.org/news/washingtonwatch/FCCVerizon.html
21 March 2006
In a quiet move full of implications for the future openness of the
Internet, the FCC has granted Verizon relief from any common carriage
requirements in the company's broadband offerings. But instead of
conducting a full, public inquiry into the issue, FCC Chairman Kevin Martin
elected simply to allow Verizon's petition for forbearance from Title II
(common carriage) rules to expire without commission action, effectively
giving the company exactly what it wanted.
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| User: "Woodswun" |
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03 Nov 2006 04:48:17 PM |
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On Fri, 03 Nov 2006 07:02:59 -0600, Perseid wrote:
After Much Chewing of Cud and Cogitation, "John Lemke"
<jflemke@locallink.net> Spat the Words
"Charly the *****" <nitecrawler7@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:454B302C.8DEE49E6@worldnet.att.net...
John Lemke wrote:
What else is coming out way, Charly?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6108496.stm
Britain is 'surveillance society'
Read "re: Bush moves toward Martial Law" posted upstream by yours truely.
If
that doesn't pucker your chair, nothing will.
Charly
Thanks for that, Charly. I saw that a day or two ago and printed it for
local distribution. :-)
Good on ya, mate!
I also had forwarded that on to a few people in national mass media,
just in case they missed that enactment with the signing of the other
major legislation on the same day.
I asked those people to take a look at it, and give it some publicity.
Prohibition of the US Military from domestic US Law Enforcement
activities is a fundamental part of our Constitution and should
not be treated lightly.
Ditto for habeas corpus, but the sheeple were more than happy to hand that
off - it's disgustingly unAmerican!
Woods
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| User: "Charly the Bastard" |
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03 Nov 2006 12:06:51 PM |
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John Lemke wrote:
"Charly the *****" <nitecrawler7@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:454B302C.8DEE49E6@worldnet.att.net...
John Lemke wrote:
What else is coming out way, Charly?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6108496.stm
Britain is 'surveillance society'
Read "re: Bush moves toward Martial Law" posted upstream by yours truely.
If
that doesn't pucker your chair, nothing will.
Charly
Thanks for that, Charly. I saw that a day or two ago and printed it for
local distribution. :-)
Good on ya, mate!
Just doin' my part for the 'hood. I find a lot of stuff over on
alt.politics.bush. The really good stuff has an annoying habit of
'disappearing' shortly after being posted, so you've got to check it a lot if
you want to beat the 'Great Deleter'. That's where I found this one, I'm
surprized that it hasn't disappeared yet. Most of my responses are gone within
an hour; the fastest was ten minutes from post to eblivion. Truth hurts...
Charly
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| User: "John Lemke" |
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03 Nov 2006 06:06:25 PM |
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"Charly the *****" <nitecrawler7@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:454B8539.2FF909B1@worldnet.att.net...
John Lemke wrote:
"Charly the *****" <nitecrawler7@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:454B302C.8DEE49E6@worldnet.att.net...
John Lemke wrote:
What else is coming out way, Charly?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6108496.stm
Britain is 'surveillance society'
Read "re: Bush moves toward Martial Law" posted upstream by yours
truely.
If
that doesn't pucker your chair, nothing will.
Charly
Thanks for that, Charly. I saw that a day or two ago and printed it for
local distribution. :-)
Good on ya, mate!
Just doin' my part for the 'hood. I find a lot of stuff over on
alt.politics.bush. The really good stuff has an annoying habit of
'disappearing' shortly after being posted, so you've got to check it a lot
if
you want to beat the 'Great Deleter'. That's where I found this one, I'm
surprized that it hasn't disappeared yet. Most of my responses are gone
within
an hour; the fastest was ten minutes from post to eblivion. Truth hurts...
Charly
I'll have to pay a visit over there.
Keep up the good work.
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| User: "" |
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03 Nov 2006 03:02:48 PM |
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Charly the ***** wrote:
John Lemke wrote:
"Charly the *****" <nitecrawler7@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:454B302C.8DEE49E6@worldnet.att.net...
John Lemke wrote:
What else is coming out way, Charly?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6108496.stm
Britain is 'surveillance society'
Read "re: Bush moves toward Martial Law" posted upstream by yours truely.
If
that doesn't pucker your chair, nothing will.
Charly
Thanks for that, Charly. I saw that a day or two ago and printed it for
local distribution. :-)
Good on ya, mate!
Just doin' my part for the 'hood. I find a lot of stuff over on
alt.politics.bush. The really good stuff has an annoying habit of
'disappearing' shortly after being posted, so you've got to check it a lot if
you want to beat the 'Great Deleter'. That's where I found this one, I'm
surprized that it hasn't disappeared yet. Most of my responses are gone within
an hour; the fastest was ten minutes from post to eblivion. Truth hurts...
Charly
Oh well I guess any new tweaks to a system on an overcrowded planet we
will just have to adapt to either being surveilled or incarcerated, it
still comes back to just who is running the system and just what their
agenda is.
But as to erasing posts odd?
LB
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| User: "Werewolfy" |
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02 Nov 2006 08:01:41 AM |
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John Lemke wrote:
What else is coming out way, Charly?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6108496.stm
Britain is 'surveillance society'
It's reality John. An excellent article, and the last paragraph from
the Acpo spokesman was so predictable too.
That was a reply from the Police..made by a Chief Officer of Police,
and no more than using words in a way that appears to allow
justification by claiming strict controls. If you read his comments,
you will see that 'be authorised' means 'we, the Police' would not
authorise, and 'proportionate' means, 'we can afford it'.
There are CCTV cameras everywhere in this Country...all are used by the
Police as required. For the law-abiding, it's fair enough I suppose,
but I always feel 'Big Brother' is watching when I go out.
Werewolfy
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| User: "John Lemke" |
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03 Nov 2006 05:38:17 PM |
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"Werewolfy" <Werewolfy1@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1162476101.225981.129020@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
John Lemke wrote:
What else is coming out way, Charly?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6108496.stm
Britain is 'surveillance society'
It's reality John. An excellent article, and the last paragraph from
the Acpo spokesman was so predictable too.
That was a reply from the Police..made by a Chief Officer of Police,
and no more than using words in a way that appears to allow
justification by claiming strict controls. If you read his comments,
you will see that 'be authorised' means 'we, the Police' would not
authorise, and 'proportionate' means, 'we can afford it'.
There are CCTV cameras everywhere in this Country...all are used by the
Police as required. For the law-abiding, it's fair enough I suppose,
but I always feel 'Big Brother' is watching when I go out.
Werewolfy
I think the ratio in America is now 1 camera for every 75 people. The last
article I read on the subject had 40 million cameras nationwide here.
General Electric, one of our biggest and richest and most powerful
corporations, is in the forefront of the surveillance industry. Big money in
it so it's only going to get worse. Especially so when it's being billed as
protection against terrorists. Easy to grow the market when you can sell
fear on the evening news.
Sign of the coming fascist times. People will be scared into welcoming Big
Brother with open arms.
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02 Nov 2006 10:35:03 AM |
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Werewolfy skrev:
John Lemke wrote:
What else is coming out way, Charly?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6108496.stm
Britain is 'surveillance society'
It's reality John. An excellent article, and the last paragraph from
the Acpo spokesman was so predictable too.
That was a reply from the Police..made by a Chief Officer of Police,
and no more than using words in a way that appears to allow
justification by claiming strict controls. If you read his comments,
you will see that 'be authorised' means 'we, the Police' would not
authorise, and 'proportionate' means, 'we can afford it'.
There are CCTV cameras everywhere in this Country...all are used by the
Police as required. For the law-abiding, it's fair enough I suppose,
but I always feel 'Big Brother' is watching when I go out.
Werewolfy
I saw that article in yesterday's Indo. Your comment there Wolfy I find
quite disturbing I'm afraid. "For the law-abiding, it's fair enough I
suppose" is where the problem lies in my opinion. People say that
they've nothing to hide so what's the fuss all about. It's the
principle and the potential for miss-use that they should be thinking
about. It's an integrity thing too. Society should not be transformed
into a factory where the "good" people do what they're told without
question and everyone else is an agitator. If they fill up their
databases with info about you then they can control everything about
you...work, play, even whether or not you remain at large. This is
quite a frightening developement and I don't understand why people
aren't out rioting in the streets because of it. Just look at the poor
sods who have been ruined because the yanks call them terrorists.
That's a perfect example. Ordinary people who have had their lives put
on ice, permanently, because the yankies have put them on a list. No
chance of ever clearing themselves. No travel, no job, no social
welfare...nothing!
People should be out in their millions protesting this big brother
crap!
WH
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02 Nov 2006 12:54:38 PM |
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WH wrote:
I saw that article in yesterday's Indo. Your comment there Wolfy I find
quite disturbing I'm afraid. "For the law-abiding, it's fair enough I
suppose" is where the problem lies in my opinion. People say that
they've nothing to hide so what's the fuss all about.
Agreed Chris. I used that phrase to sound concilitory I suppose.
I was horrified when I saw how many cameras decorate England when I
returned this year. I think they were tolerated only because their
introduction was stealthy and insiduous.
That Acpo chairman is himself a Senior Poice Officer...but he should
have been a politician by trade...His ability to disguise his meaning
behind a cleverly worded communique, stands him in good stead for that
sort of job!
The Police are being replaced by robots..both mechanical things and by
the new generation of Police Officer, who I find to be rather more of a
machine than is comfortable. Police powers have increased
dramatically...without the counter-balance of Police accountability.
I don't know the answer. Civil protest is unlikely, simply because so
few people realise the extent of the new 'Big Brother' State. Even
those who do, make no real protest because it's an invisible
threat..one that 'won't effect them'...or so they believe.
I don't like it at all. It augers badly for the future. More
information on the extent of the errosion of privacy is needed, and
from there a platform to adjust the situation through both public
demonstrations and the electoral process. If nothing happens, if this
spying continues, I shudder to think of how life will be in 20 years
time.
Werewolfy
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02 Nov 2006 03:58:01 PM |
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Werewolfy wrote:
WH wrote:
I saw that article in yesterday's Indo. Your comment there Wolfy I find
quite disturbing I'm afraid. "For the law-abiding, it's fair enough I
suppose" is where the problem lies in my opinion. People say that
they've nothing to hide so what's the fuss all about.
Agreed Chris. I used that phrase to sound concilitory I suppose.
I was horrified when I saw how many cameras decorate England when I
returned this year. I think they were tolerated only because their
introduction was stealthy and insiduous.
That Acpo chairman is himself a Senior Poice Officer...but he should
have been a politician by trade...His ability to disguise his meaning
behind a cleverly worded communique, stands him in good stead for that
sort of job!
The Police are being replaced by robots..both mechanical things and by
the new generation of Police Officer, who I find to be rather more of a
machine than is comfortable. Police powers have increased
dramatically...without the counter-balance of Police accountability.
I don't know the answer. Civil protest is unlikely, simply because so
few people realise the extent of the new 'Big Brother' State. Even
those who do, make no real protest because it's an invisible
threat..one that 'won't effect them'...or so they believe.
I don't like it at all. It augers badly for the future. More
information on the extent of the errosion of privacy is needed, and
from there a platform to adjust the situation through both public
demonstrations and the electoral process. If nothing happens, if this
spying continues, I shudder to think of how life will be in 20 years
time.
Werewolfy
But you would have to admit, as an Orwellian Zoo in Ye streets of
London must employ millions of voyeurs all watching each other.
Let us see how they cope in the harder times when it will come down to
head to head surveillance!
LB
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| User: "00:00:00Hg" |
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02 Nov 2006 04:13:00 PM |
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On Thu, 02 Nov 2006 13:58:01 -0800, wrote:
I don't like it at all. It augers badly for the future. More information
on the extent of the errosion of privacy is needed, and from there a
platform to adjust the situation through both public demonstrations and
the electoral process. If nothing happens, if this spying continues, I
shudder to think of how life will be in 20 years time.
Werewolfy
But you would have to admit, as an Orwellian Zoo in Ye streets of London
must employ millions of voyeurs all watching each other. Let us see how
they cope in the harder times when it will come down to head to head
surveillance!
Um, that a new generation processor can cascade images in
terms of billions of square feet/sec of image area in search of
specific pattern qualifications does not give rise to the
fact your "must employ millions of voyeurs" is not needed
to accomplish behavious patter recognition?
Does this scare the ***** out of the animals in your Orwellian Zoo?
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| User: "Woodswun" |
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02 Nov 2006 04:47:05 PM |
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On Thu, 02 Nov 2006 08:31:41 -0500, John Lemke wrote:
What else is coming out way, Charly?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6108496.stm
Britain is 'surveillance society'
IOW, 1984 was about a quarter century off timewise ... :-(
I don't think the US is far behind. I would think the government would be
wanting to make sure that all the Boomers retire within the US, rather
than take our pensions out of the country.
Woods
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