"tw" <no@no.com> wrote in message
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over 2,000 tons but only 6.3 meters long?

Maybe it's an unusually dense material, this could be a vessel
made of bone fragments from trannyz's skull ;0)

--
krib

"tw" <no@no.com> wrote in message
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over 2,000 tons but only 6.3 meters long?

Maybe it's an unusually dense material, this could be a vessel
made of bone fragments from trannyz's skull ;0)

tw wrote:

Uh huh.. "it is said" by whom? The manufacturers no doubt. The Kilo

is a

repectable enough piece of kit but the design is about 30 years old

now.

There's quite possibly quieter *nuclear* subs around these days.

http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/kilo/specs.html (only

about 20

feet long)

Huh?!

SPECIFICATIONS - SSK KILO CLASS (TYPE 636) ATTACK SUBMARINE, RUSSIA
Displacement 2,350 tons
Dimensions
Length 6.3m

over 2,000 tons but only 6.3 meters long?
according to the Indian navy
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/NAVY/Sindhugosh.html it's actually 72.6

meters

long, so if the terrorists were hoping to paint it white and disguise

it as

a milk lorry they might have to think up a new plan.

Wrong Kilo sub,

the same link:
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/NAVY/Sindhugosh.html it says:

"Kilo Class submarines have been nicknamed 'Black Hole' by NATO for
their silent operation in the sea. In January 1997 two 'improved' Kilo
Class boats were ordered by the Indian Navy and the first, INS
Sindhurakshak, was commissioned in December 1997 at St. Petersburg,
Russia. This submarine was a spare Type 877EKM hull built for the
Russian Navy, but was never purchased. The second, INS Sindhushastra,
was commissioned in July 2000 - also at St. Petersburg. Unconfirmed
reports state that this boat might be a *****Type 636******."

Now why is India so secretive about the 636 (6.3m long) and not the
other?

http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/kilo/index.html

Beam 9.9 m
Draught 6.3 m
Propulsion diesel-electric with full electric propulsion
Propellers fixed-pitch
diving Depth
Operational 250 m
Maximum 300 m
Periscopic 17.5 m
full run Speed
Surfaced 11 knots
Submerged 20 knots
Range with snorkel (7 knots) 7,500 miles
submerged (3 knots) 400 miles
sea Endurance 45 days
Torpedoes 6 x 533 mm torpedo tubes, 8 torpedoes
electronic equipment radio communications, combat control

information

system, navigation system
Radar general purpose detection radar
Sonar active/passive
Periscopes one for commander, one for air defence

Doesn't matter. Fixed pitch props, we'll hear it a hundred miles away,
most probably farther than that.

An FP prop has a perfect speed, faster or slower than that
and you make bubbles. Bubbles we can hear for miles and
miles.

Krib wrote:

<guskz@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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SPECIFICATIONS - SSK KILO CLASS (TYPE 636) ATTACK SUBMARINE, RUSSIA
Displacement 2,350 tons
Dimensions
Length 6.3m

^^^^^

Beam 9.9 m
Draught 6.3 m

That's an amazingly strange shape for a sub then, wider than it is long.

Are you going to pretend a >2300 ton submarine is a small boat?
--
krib

Doesn't matter. Fixed pitch props, we'll hear it a hundred miles away,

probably farther than that.

An FP prop has a perfect speed, faster or
slower than that and you make bubbles.

Bubbles we can hear for miles and
miles.

Charly

....The Incoherence continues.

There is still some rattling that the missile is too big for small subs
or vessels and yet a link was provided to where INDIA fired the bigger
"Prithvi III" nuclear missile from INSIDE a plain metal can(cannister)
from UNDER THE SEA.

Probably just a plain open can just a little wider than the missile,
and a rubber sealed at the top of the can and half-way on the missile
so as not to permit water to enter the missile's fuel base combustion
for exhaust propulsion.

guskz@hotmail.com wrote:

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/china/kilo.htm

"In early June 2002 China was reported to be negotiating with Russia

to

purchase eight more Kilo-class Project 636 submarines for $1.5

billion,

scheduled for delivery over the following five years."

1.5/8 = about $200 million per submarine + $1 million per missile +

$x

million per nuclear war head = affordable for a former Saddam

Vengeful

Regiment (from $billions from oil for foods program) to secretely

fund

to Muslim Terrorists such as Osama Ben Laden's.

Most likely it's Russian Subs that are purchased by the Asian and

Arab

Nations and also the possible fleet used in Nostradamus' quatrains on
Persia's devastation of Southern Europe through the Meditarean Sea.


guskz@hotmail.com wrote:

Thanks to North Korea, India is using the Prithvi III short-range
nuclear missile which is even bigger and harder to launch than the
Prithvi I & II. (Therefore even smaller vessels could be used for I

&

II)

Nostradamus' quatrains of Iran's/Persia's FUTURE attack on

Italy/Egypt

may be from the small less detectable and more portable Russian

Subs

below (To tranvel through the dry land of Turkey). (I doubt the

Subs

will be American or European...thus narrowing the selection)


http://kuku.sawf.org/Articles/210.aspx

Quote:
"K-15 Project
The Prithvi III missile is a product of the K-15 project to develop

a

land attack ballistic missile for the Indian Navy that can be fired
from ships or submarines"
...
1. "A second successful test appears to have been conducted on 22

Sep

2001 from a Navy vessel at sea.
The most recent test of the missile was to demonstrate its ability

to

be launched from a submerged ***canister*** (metalic can/cylinder
only), simulating a submarine launch."

2. "It is possible that future trials of Prithvi III may involve a
launch from a ***Kilo class submarine****. It has earlier been

reported

that the Brahmos cruise missile will also be fitted on the Kilo

class

submarines."


http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/kilo/

Quote:
"The Type 636 submarine is considered to be to be one of the

quietest

diesel submarines in the world. It is said to be capable of

detecting

an enemy submarine at a range three to four times greater than it

can

be detected itself."

http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/kilo/specs.html (only

about

20

feet long)

SPECIFICATIONS - SSK KILO CLASS (TYPE 636) ATTACK SUBMARINE, RUSSIA
Displacement 2,350 tons
Dimensions
Length 6.3m
Beam 9.9 m
Draught 6.3 m
Propulsion diesel-electric with full electric propulsion
Propellers fixed-pitch
diving Depth
Operational 250 m
Maximum 300 m
Periscopic 17.5 m
full run Speed
Surfaced 11 knots
Submerged 20 knots
Range with snorkel (7 knots) 7,500 miles
submerged (3 knots) 400 miles
sea Endurance 45 days
Torpedoes 6 x 533 mm torpedo tubes, 8 torpedoes
electronic equipment radio communications, combat control

information

system, navigation system
Radar general purpose detection radar
Sonar active/passive
Periscopes one for commander, one for air defence

....The Incoherence continues.

There is still some rattling that the missile is too big for small subs
or vessels and yet a link was provided to where INDIA fired the bigger
"Prithvi III" nuclear missile from INSIDE a plain metal can(cannister)
from UNDER THE SEA.

Probably just a plain open can just a little wider than the missile,
and a rubber sealed at the top of the can and half-way on the missile
so as not to permit water to enter the missile's fuel base combustion
for exhaust propulsion.