Key states welcome new Iraq draft
Ah, compromise and negotiation........... imagine that.
Quote from the article:
The US ambassador to the UN, John Negroponte, said earlier that Washington
and London had made a major effort to take the views of various delegations
into account during the closed-door consultations.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3785845.stm
Key states welcome new Iraq draft
The issue of control of foreign troops was a key obstacle
France and Germany have said they will back the latest draft resolution on
Iraq's future when the UN Security Council votes on it later in the day.
Russia and China have also indicated they approve of it.
Correspondents say the draft removes one of the last obstacles to the deal,
spelling out the relationship between Iraq's government and foreign forces.
It includes an undertaking that the US-led coalition will consult Iraqi
leaders over major military actions.
We believe that we as Iraqis understand the situation better on the ground
Hoshyar Zebari
Iraqi foreign minister
That was a key demand for France which, like Russia and China, has a veto.
French Foreign Minister Michel Barnier said his country still had some
reservations but these would not prevent it casting a vote in favour.
His German counterpart, Joschka Fischer, said he welcomed the imminent
agreement and that Germany would vote for the resolution.
"I hope that now there will finally be a stabilisation of the security
situation in Iraq," he said.
Russian President Vladimir Putin said the resolution had changed for the
better.
"It seems to me there is every reason to believe that this work could end
with a positive result," he said during a visit to Mexico ahead of the G8
summit.
Chinese Foreign Minister Li Zhaoxing said positions on the draft were
"coming close".
'Acceptable'
The US ambassador to the UN, John Negroponte, said earlier that Washington
and London had made a major effort to take the views of various delegations
into account during the closed-door consultations.
REVISED RESOLUTION
Provides for "full partnership between Iraqi forces and the multinational
force"
Acknowledges need to confer on "sensitive offensive operations"
Firmly places Iraqi security forces under Iraqi control
Draft resolution on Iraq
"We are putting it to a vote on Tuesday afternoon," Mr Negroponte told
reporters during a pause in the discussions.
Addressing the Security Council before it began discussing the draft, UN
Iraq envoy Lakhdar Brahimi said it would take eight months from the time of
forming an interim government before credible elections could take place.
"The solution to Iraq's current challenges will take years, not months to
overcome," he said in a report on his fact-finding mission to Iraq in April.
Iraqi input
The US rejected a proposal by France that would have given Iraq a virtual
veto over operations by coalition forces in Iraq after the 30 June handover.
But later, the text was amended to cover "the full range of fundamental
security and policy issues, including policy on sensitive offensive
operations".
Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari has told the BBC that the new
resolution will allow for closer co-operation on key security issues.
"What we are talking about here is really major offensive military
operations that would have serious political consequences like Falluja," he
told Radio Four's Today programme.
"We believe that we as Iraqis understand the situation better on the
ground."
Key letters
The newly appointed Iraqi Prime Minister, Iyad Allawi, and US Secretary of
State Colin Powell had already promised in letters to the Security Council
to reach agreement on policy for dealing with sensitive offensive military
operations.
But they did not spell out whether the Iraqis would have to give their
consent to each operation, or what would happen if they did not agree.
In his letter, Mr Allawi repeats his request that foreign troops stay "until
we are able to provide security for ourselves".
The letter says a ministerial body will be established to "co-ordinate [with
the multinational force] on all security policy and operations issues".
In his letter, Mr Powell pledges to co-operate with Iraqis "on the full
range of fundamental security and policy issues, including sensitive
offensive operations".
The fourth draft of the resolution states that the mandate of the
multinational force will expire after elections are held in Iraq, no later
than 31 January 2005.
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| User: "TonyZ2001" |
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08 Jun 2004 09:51:47 AM |
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John F Lemke"
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Key states welcome new Iraq draft
Ah, compromise and negotiation........... >imagine that.
Yeah, the Liberals of the world want the US/UK out of Iraq ASAP, and they'll
get their wish.
Then they will see what they have sown, and the burden will be on those who
rushed us out.
Tony
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| User: " John F Lemke" |
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08 Jun 2004 06:21:07 PM |
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"TonyZ2001" <tonyz2001@aol.com> wrote in message
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John F Lemke"
wrote:
Key states welcome new Iraq draft
Ah, compromise and negotiation........... >imagine that.
Yeah, the Liberals of the world want the US/UK out of Iraq ASAP, and
they'll
get their wish.
Then they will see what they have sown, and the burden will be on those
who
rushed us out.
Tony
You mean President Bush is too weak to fight off the Liberals of the world
and cave in to them.
You're fearless leader shows signs of getting a firm grasp on reality and
you turn on him. Who you gonna vote for then, ChickenHawk?
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| User: "ex" |
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08 Jun 2004 02:23:12 PM |
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"TonyZ2001" <tonyz2001@aol.com> wrote in message
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John F Lemke"
wrote:
Key states welcome new Iraq draft
Ah, compromise and negotiation........... >imagine that.
Yeah, the Liberals of the world want the US/UK out of Iraq ASAP, and
they'll
get their wish.
Then they will see what they have sown, and the burden will be on those
who
rushed us out.
Ya don't think Bush wants an 'out' since staying there is killing what
little chance he has of reelection?
Oh no ... wait, Bush always listens to the Liberals of the world.
Good try, ChickenHawk.
-ex
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| User: "Werewolfy" |
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08 Jun 2004 02:38:36 PM |
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(TonyZ2001) wrote in message news:<20040608105147.00357.00000569@mb-m14.aol.com>...
Then they will see what they have sown, and the burden will be on those who
rushed us out.
Tony
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Oh no. 'Then they will see what we have' sown' should be your text.
Werewolfy
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| User: "Michael Johnathan McDonald" |
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08 Jun 2004 02:38:37 PM |
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(TonyZ2001) wrote in message news:<20040608105147.00357.00000569@mb-m14.aol.com>...
John F Lemke"
wrote:
Key states welcome new Iraq draft
Ah, compromise and negotiation........... >imagine that.
Yeah, the Liberals of the world want the US/UK out of Iraq ASAP, and they'll
get their wish.
Its politics as usual.
..
Then they will see what they have sown, and the burden will be on those who
rushed us out.
Tony
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| User: " John F Lemke" |
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08 Jun 2004 06:23:24 PM |
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"Michael Johnathan McDonald" <abookoflife@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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tonyz2001@aol.com (TonyZ2001) wrote in message
news:<20040608105147.00357.00000569@mb-m14.aol.com>...
John F Lemke"
wrote:
Key states welcome new Iraq draft
Ah, compromise and negotiation........... >imagine that.
Yeah, the Liberals of the world want the US/UK out of Iraq ASAP, and
they'll
get their wish.
Its politics as usual.
Looks like your peerless leader is abandoning the faithful, eh? That
Yale/Harvard education of his may finally be showing.
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| User: "Cuan" |
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09 Jun 2004 06:26:35 AM |
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On Tue, 8 Jun 2004 19:23:24 -0400, " John F Lemke"
<> wrote:
"Michael Johnathan McDonald" <abookoflife@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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tonyz2001@aol.com (TonyZ2001) wrote in message
news:<20040608105147.00357.00000569@mb-m14.aol.com>...
John F Lemke"
wrote:
Key states welcome new Iraq draft
Ah, compromise and negotiation........... >imagine that.
Yeah, the Liberals of the world want the US/UK out of Iraq ASAP, and
they'll
get their wish.
Its politics as usual.
Looks like your peerless leader is abandoning the faithful, eh? That
Yale/Harvard education of his may finally be showing.
was probably an "honourary" doctorate.
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| User: "ex" |
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08 Jun 2004 04:41:28 PM |
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"Michael Johnathan McDonald" <abookoflife@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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tonyz2001@aol.com (TonyZ2001) wrote in message
news:<20040608105147.00357.00000569@mb-m14.aol.com>...
John F Lemke"
wrote:
Key states welcome new Iraq draft
Ah, compromise and negotiation........... >imagine that.
Yeah, the Liberals of the world want the US/UK out of Iraq ASAP, and
they'll
get their wish.
Its politics as usual.
When has Bush *ever* listened to the 'Lefties'??
He didn't bother listening to France, Russia or Germany when he went into
Iraq, now he's pleading with them to save him from defeat at the polls ....
-ex
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| User: "Cuan" |
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09 Jun 2004 06:25:37 AM |
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On Tue, 8 Jun 2004 17:41:28 -0400, "ex" <ex@ex.com> wrote:
"Michael Johnathan McDonald" <abookoflife@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:dd3256f0.0406081138.54ce2526@posting.google.com...
tonyz2001@aol.com (TonyZ2001) wrote in message
news:<20040608105147.00357.00000569@mb-m14.aol.com>...
John F Lemke"
wrote:
Key states welcome new Iraq draft
Ah, compromise and negotiation........... >imagine that.
Yeah, the Liberals of the world want the US/UK out of Iraq ASAP, and
they'll
get their wish.
Its politics as usual.
When has Bush *ever* listened to the 'Lefties'??
He didn't bother listening to France, Russia or Germany when he went into
Iraq, now he's pleading with them to save him from defeat at the polls ....
-ex
did you notice how he visitted France on the anniversary of D-Day?
Was he trying to put Chirac on a guilt trip or something?
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| User: "tw" |
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10 Jun 2004 05:05:03 AM |
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"Cuan" <an@nymous.co.za> wrote in message
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On Tue, 8 Jun 2004 17:41:28 -0400, "ex" <ex@ex.com> wrote:
"Michael Johnathan McDonald" <abookoflife@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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tonyz2001@aol.com (TonyZ2001) wrote in message
news:<20040608105147.00357.00000569@mb-m14.aol.com>...
John F Lemke"
wrote:
Key states welcome new Iraq draft
Ah, compromise and negotiation........... >imagine that.
Yeah, the Liberals of the world want the US/UK out of Iraq ASAP, and
they'll
get their wish.
Its politics as usual.
When has Bush *ever* listened to the 'Lefties'??
He didn't bother listening to France, Russia or Germany when he went into
Iraq, now he's pleading with them to save him from defeat at the polls
.....
-ex
did you notice how he visitted France on the anniversary of D-Day?
Was he trying to put Chirac on a guilt trip or something?
To be fair, he was there as a representative of the Allies who liberated
France, so it was quite proper for him to be there. I also thought he
behaved with respect and dignity. His and Chirac's speeches were
refreshingly conciliatory.
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| User: "Michael Johnathan McDonald" |
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10 Jun 2004 12:23:06 PM |
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"tw" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:<ca9bk4$142$1@newstree.wise.edt.ericsson.se>...
did you notice how he visitted France on the anniversary of D-Day?
Was he trying to put Chirac on a guilt trip or something?
To be fair, he was there as a representative of the Allies who liberated
France, so it was quite proper for him to be there. I also thought he
behaved with respect and dignity.
His and Chirac's speeches were
refreshingly conciliatory.
I thought so too. I was suprised at how nice Chirac could be.
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| User: "Cuan" |
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11 Jun 2004 04:50:01 AM |
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On 10 Jun 2004 10:23:06 -0700, (Michael
Johnathan McDonald) wrote:
"tw" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:<ca9bk4$142$1@newstree.wise.edt.ericsson.se>...
did you notice how he visitted France on the anniversary of D-Day?
Was he trying to put Chirac on a guilt trip or something?
To be fair, he was there as a representative of the Allies who liberated
France, so it was quite proper for him to be there. I also thought he
behaved with respect and dignity.
His and Chirac's speeches were
refreshingly conciliatory.
I thought so too. I was suprised at how nice Chirac could be.
pulled your head out of your ***** for a change, did ya? funny how
different things look when you're actually looking at them.
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| User: "Cuan" |
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09 Jun 2004 06:14:42 AM |
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On 08 Jun 2004 14:51:47 GMT, (TonyZ2001) wrote:
John F Lemke"
wrote:
Key states welcome new Iraq draft
Ah, compromise and negotiation........... >imagine that.
Yeah, the Liberals of the world want the US/UK out of Iraq ASAP, and they'll
get their wish.
hardly. there still isn't complete autonomy, but it is a start.
*clap* *clap*
Then they will see what they have sown, and the burden will be on those who
rushed us out.
I think the burden will be on those who rushed *in* for a long time
yet to come, pal.
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