Soldiers committing suicide in Iraq
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http://www.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,6797508%255E25777,00.html
http://vikingphoenix.com/news/iraqwar/iraqsuicide.htm
http://www.veteransforcommonsense.org/
http://www.marchforjustice.com/7.20.03.militarysuicides.php
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| User: "pope_about_town at Xyahoo.com Johnny Asia" |
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| Title: Re: Soldiers committing suicide in Iraq |
21 Aug 2003 08:41:02 PM |
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On Fri, 22 Aug 2003 01:55:19 +0100,
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Soldiers committing suicide in Iraq
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http://www.welovetheiraqiinformationminister.com/
Mohammed Saeed al-Sahaf, Iraqi Minister of Information:
"I can say, and I am responsible for what I am saying, that they have
started to commit suicide under the walls of Baghdad. We
will encourage them to commit more suicides quickly."
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"The power of accurate observation is called cynicism
by those who have not got it." - G. B. Shaw
The First Church of Common Sense
Want to know what's REALLY going on in Iraq?
http://www.angelfire.com/co/COMMONSENSE/wakeup.html
The Rise and Fall of the Holy Roller Empire
The God-Awful Truth about Christian Zionism
http://www.angelfire.com/co/COMMONSENSE/armageddon.html
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| User: "Pieter Wenk" |
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| Title: Re: Soldiers committing suicide in Iraq |
27 Aug 2003 04:45:13 AM |
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On Fri, 22 Aug 2003 11:43:41 GMT, System Prompt <Bored@home.com>
wrote:
On Fri, 22 Aug 2003 01:55:19 +0100,
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Soldiers committing suicide in Iraq
On the upside (there's always an upside) there is less machinery
getting damaged per death this route.
Question is, why aren't we rotating these guys through there quicker?
The Soldiers need a break.
Bad planning, lack of troops....and a disastrous foreign policy.
Regards
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Pieter Wenk /CH-1800 Vevey - Rivièra Vaudoise
These capitalists generally act harmoniously, and in concert, to fleece
the people.
--Abraham Lincoln, 1837
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| User: "Pieter Wenk" |
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| Title: Re: Soldiers committing suicide in Iraq |
31 Aug 2003 12:19:57 PM |
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On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 16:31:05 GMT, System Prompt <Bored@home.com>
wrote:
On the upside (there's always an upside) there is less machinery
getting damaged per death this route.
Question is, why aren't we rotating these guys through there quicker?
The Soldiers need a break.
Bad planning, lack of troops....and a disastrous foreign policy.
Ahh.... Oh well as long as it is the only place where that has
happend.
It happened also in Afghanistan :-)
And if you let Don Rumsfeld do...his next target could be Iran.
Another oil smelling place :-)
Regards
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Pieter Wenk /CH-1800 Vevey - Rivièra Vaudoise
These capitalists generally act harmoniously, and in concert, to fleece
the people.
--Abraham Lincoln, 1837
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Soldiers committing suicide in Iraq |
22 Aug 2003 06:56:53 AM |
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On Fri, 22 Aug 2003 11:43:41 GMT, System Prompt <Bored@home.com>
wrote:
On Fri, 22 Aug 2003 01:55:19 +0100,
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Soldiers committing suicide in Iraq
On the upside (there's always an upside) there is less machinery
getting damaged per death this route.
less loss of bullets
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| User: "" |
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22 Aug 2003 11:45:17 AM |
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On Fri, 22 Aug 2003 12:40:48 GMT, pope_about_town at Xyahoo.com
(Johnny Asia) wrote:
It appears that it wasn't "foreign terrorists" after all.
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Iraqi guards were in on blast
And who put the Iraqi guards in control? The Americans.
This is just another ploy by the US to escalate things in Iraq and
force the UN into a war that the US is losing.
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| User: "System Prompt" |
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| Title: Re: Soldiers committing suicide in Iraq |
22 Aug 2003 08:14:04 AM |
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On Fri, 22 Aug 2003 12:45:39 GMT, "Lawson English"
<english7@mindspring.com> wrote:
"System Prompt" <Bored@home.com> wrote in message
news:ft3ckv84fkdr6amfskofp41c2rg1q62t6e@4ax.com...
On Fri, 22 Aug 2003 01:55:19 +0100,
wrote:
Soldiers committing suicide in Iraq
On the upside (there's always an upside) there is less machinery
getting damaged per death this route.
Question is, why aren't we rotating these guys through there quicker?
The Soldiers need a break.
We ARE rotating quicker, which is the problem:
http://www.fox23news.com/news/state/story.aspx?content_id=E48991E8-E147-48BD-BB5C-3B3CA6DEC9C0
I'd heard a talking head on CNN state that the full time Soldiers
had been in the Middle East nearly a year. The article that was
posted listed reserves. I'm not too familiar with the US military but
weren't the reserves initially intended for the defense of the nation
from invasion? Still seems like a long time over seas for a part time
soldier.
Stephen.
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| User: "Lawson English" |
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| Title: Re: Soldiers committing suicide in Iraq |
22 Aug 2003 10:05:24 AM |
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"System Prompt" <Bored@home.com> wrote in message
news:049ckvkn5dni9eacaqlj5r7vvgq36ecefl@4ax.com...
On Fri, 22 Aug 2003 12:45:39 GMT, "Lawson English"
<english7@mindspring.com> wrote:
[...]
We ARE rotating quicker, which is the problem:
http://www.fox23news.com/news/state/story.aspx?content_id=E48991E8-E147-48B
D-BB5C-3B3CA6DEC9C0
I'd heard a talking head on CNN state that the full time Soldiers
had been in the Middle East nearly a year. The article that was
posted listed reserves. I'm not too familiar with the US military but
weren't the reserves initially intended for the defense of the nation
from invasion? Still seems like a long time over seas for a part time
soldier.
Its a neo-con thing. The idea is that a small, nimble force can do the job
at least as good as lots a larger old-fashioned force. Of course,
occupational forces are VERY old-fashioned, but don't tell Rumsfeld that.
And reservists aren't full-time military, so their lifestyle and economic
planning are based on their civilian jobs which are now threatened by the
chronic redeployment, which will probably keep going until we reinstitute
the draft (or drag the economy down so far that full-time soldiering looks
preferable to most other available jobs -that's an imperial thing, AKA, a
neo-con thing).
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| User: "Flyfish" |
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| Title: Re: Soldiers committing suicide in Iraq |
22 Aug 2003 11:19:48 AM |
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"Lawson English" <english7@mindspring.com> wrote in
news:Uiq1b.2920$Ej6.1883@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net:
And reservists aren't full-time military, so their lifestyle and
economic planning are based on their civilian jobs which are now
threatened by the chronic redeployment, which will probably keep going
until we reinstitute the draft (or drag the economy down so far that
full-time soldiering looks preferable to most other available jobs
-that's an imperial thing, AKA, a neo-con thing).
A study in why military retention during the Carter administration was so
poor might reveal similar issues, overdeployment primarily.
Thousands of reservists fled during the Clinton admin because they were
being rotated to Bosnia every 3-6 months.
It's become ops normal and has no political identity.
Flyfish
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"The difference between Congress and drunken sailors is that drunken
sailors are spending their own money."
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| User: "System Prompt" |
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22 Aug 2003 10:56:03 AM |
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On Fri, 22 Aug 2003 15:05:24 GMT, "Lawson English"
<english7@mindspring.com> wrote:
"System Prompt" <Bored@home.com> wrote in message
news:049ckvkn5dni9eacaqlj5r7vvgq36ecefl@4ax.com...
On Fri, 22 Aug 2003 12:45:39 GMT, "Lawson English"
<english7@mindspring.com> wrote:
[...]
We ARE rotating quicker, which is the problem:
http://www.fox23news.com/news/state/story.aspx?content_id=E48991E8-E147-48B
D-BB5C-3B3CA6DEC9C0
I'd heard a talking head on CNN state that the full time Soldiers
had been in the Middle East nearly a year. The article that was
posted listed reserves. I'm not too familiar with the US military but
weren't the reserves initially intended for the defense of the nation
from invasion? Still seems like a long time over seas for a part time
soldier.
Its a neo-con thing. The idea is that a small, nimble force can do the job
at least as good as lots a larger old-fashioned force. Of course,
occupational forces are VERY old-fashioned, but don't tell Rumsfeld that.
And reservists aren't full-time military, so their lifestyle and economic
planning are based on their civilian jobs which are now threatened by the
chronic redeployment, which will probably keep going until we reinstitute
the draft (or drag the economy down so far that full-time soldiering looks
preferable to most other available jobs -that's an imperial thing, AKA, a
neo-con thing).
Well there is always that large talented pool of under utilized
professionals who do understand what war is about........
But I can't see George Bush Sr leading other retired Military
Personnel out to Iraq.
Stephen.
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| User: "harold " |
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| Title: Re: Soldiers committing suicide in Iraq |
28 Aug 2003 08:33:47 PM |
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On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 11:49:54 +0200, Pieter Wenk <pwenk@urbanet.ch>
wrote:
On Sun, 24 Aug 2003 15:04:53 -0500, harold <> wrote:
The idea is that a small, nimble force can do the job
at least as good as lots a larger old-fashioned force. Of course,
occupational forces are VERY old-fashioned, but don't tell Rumsfeld that.
That doesn't make a lot of sense. I am sure Rumsfeld knew that before
you were born.
For sure. :-) That's the reason Don Rumsfeld seeks eagerly help from
*Old Europe* :-)
And this means something to you? Do you think it follows?\
Regards, Harold (Capitalist Pig)
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"Odd, but there was no debt ceiling in the 50's, or 60's or 70's, or
most of the 80's. I'm not saying there wasn't one in the 40's--there
may well have been. But to my certain knowledge it was gone by the
60's. Must not have worked out so well."
----Zepp, the weasel, 6/20/1997
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| User: "Pieter Wenk" |
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| Title: Re: Soldiers committing suicide in Iraq |
31 Aug 2003 12:10:01 PM |
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On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 20:33:47 -0500, harold <> wrote:
On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 11:49:54 +0200, Pieter Wenk <pwenk@urbanet.ch>
wrote:
On Sun, 24 Aug 2003 15:04:53 -0500, harold <> wrote:
The idea is that a small, nimble force can do the job
at least as good as lots a larger old-fashioned force. Of course,
occupational forces are VERY old-fashioned, but don't tell Rumsfeld that.
That doesn't make a lot of sense. I am sure Rumsfeld knew that before
you were born.
For sure. :-) That's the reason Don Rumsfeld seeks eagerly help from
*Old Europe* :-)
And this means something to you? Do you think it follows?\
Provided the US will submit an acceptable resolution to the UN
Security Council....it might surprise you, but yes of that moment the
USA will get the expected help from *Old Europe*.
Personally I hope, that such army corps...will be under EU Command not
US.....as their task would be different :-)
But at least as of this moment...you would have *Old Europe* min
Iraq:-)
Regards
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Pieter Wenk /CH-1800 Vevey - Rivièra Vaudoise
These capitalists generally act harmoniously, and in concert, to fleece
the people.
--Abraham Lincoln, 1837
¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,
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| User: "Famous Amos Moses®" |
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| Title: Re: Soldiers committing suicide in Iraq |
28 Aug 2003 09:30:20 PM |
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On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 20:33:47 -0500, harold <> wrote:
On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 11:49:54 +0200, Pieter Wenk <pwenk@urbanet.ch>
wrote:
On Sun, 24 Aug 2003 15:04:53 -0500, harold <> wrote:
The idea is that a small, nimble force can do the job
at least as good as lots a larger old-fashioned force. Of course,
occupational forces are VERY old-fashioned, but don't tell Rumsfeld that.
That doesn't make a lot of sense. I am sure Rumsfeld knew that before
you were born.
For sure. :-) That's the reason Don Rumsfeld seeks eagerly help from
*Old Europe* :-)
And this means something to you? Do you think it follows?\
Rummy's crystal ball swirled fake snow around a miniature minaret....
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| User: "harold " |
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| Title: Re: Soldiers committing suicide in Iraq |
29 Aug 2003 06:04:15 PM |
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On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 22:30:20 -0400, Famous Amos Moses®
<amoses@swamp.org> wrote:
On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 20:33:47 -0500, harold <> wrote:
On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 11:49:54 +0200, Pieter Wenk <pwenk@urbanet.ch>
wrote:
On Sun, 24 Aug 2003 15:04:53 -0500, harold <> wrote:
The idea is that a small, nimble force can do the job
at least as good as lots a larger old-fashioned force. Of course,
occupational forces are VERY old-fashioned, but don't tell Rumsfeld that.
That doesn't make a lot of sense. I am sure Rumsfeld knew that before
you were born.
For sure. :-) That's the reason Don Rumsfeld seeks eagerly help from
*Old Europe* :-)
And this means something to you? Do you think it follows?\
Rummy's crystal ball swirled fake snow around a miniature minaret....
Wow... I bet that took at least two tokes.
Regards, Harold (Capitalist Pig)
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"Odd, but there was no debt ceiling in the 50's, or 60's or 70's, or
most of the 80's. I'm not saying there wasn't one in the 40's--there
may well have been. But to my certain knowledge it was gone by the
60's. Must not have worked out so well."
----Zepp, the weasel, 6/20/1997
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| User: "Famous Amos Moses®" |
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| Title: Re: Soldiers committing suicide in Iraq |
29 Aug 2003 07:34:47 PM |
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On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 18:04:15 -0500, harold <> wrote:
On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 22:30:20 -0400, Famous Amos Moses®
<amoses@swamp.org> wrote:
On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 20:33:47 -0500, harold <> wrote:
On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 11:49:54 +0200, Pieter Wenk <pwenk@urbanet.ch>
wrote:
On Sun, 24 Aug 2003 15:04:53 -0500, harold <> wrote:
The idea is that a small, nimble force can do the job
at least as good as lots a larger old-fashioned force. Of course,
occupational forces are VERY old-fashioned, but don't tell Rumsfeld that.
That doesn't make a lot of sense. I am sure Rumsfeld knew that before
you were born.
For sure. :-) That's the reason Don Rumsfeld seeks eagerly help from
*Old Europe* :-)
And this means something to you? Do you think it follows?\
Rummy's crystal ball swirled fake snow around a miniature minaret....
Wow... I bet that took at least two tokes.
Fortunately I can do it all by myself....just as I can follow a
conversation.
You could apply some of your wit to thinking beyond your cranial
box....but then again, I guess you couldn't.....but then I knew that
before you were born.
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| User: "harold " |
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| Title: Re: Soldiers committing suicide in Iraq |
30 Aug 2003 09:45:17 PM |
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On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 20:34:47 -0400, Famous Amos Moses®
<amoses@swamp.org> wrote:
On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 18:04:15 -0500, harold <> wrote:
On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 22:30:20 -0400, Famous Amos Moses®
<amoses@swamp.org> wrote:
On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 20:33:47 -0500, harold <> wrote:
On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 11:49:54 +0200, Pieter Wenk <pwenk@urbanet.ch>
wrote:
On Sun, 24 Aug 2003 15:04:53 -0500, harold <> wrote:
The idea is that a small, nimble force can do the job
at least as good as lots a larger old-fashioned force. Of course,
occupational forces are VERY old-fashioned, but don't tell Rumsfeld that.
That doesn't make a lot of sense. I am sure Rumsfeld knew that before
you were born.
For sure. :-) That's the reason Don Rumsfeld seeks eagerly help from
*Old Europe* :-)
And this means something to you? Do you think it follows?\
Rummy's crystal ball swirled fake snow around a miniature minaret....
Wow... I bet that took at least two tokes.
Fortunately I can do it all by myself....just as I can follow a
conversation.
Well, I did not mean to imply that you needed help rolling your
joints. My apologies if it appeared so. I am absolutely certain you
can do the yourself.
Regards, Harold (Capitalist Running Dog)
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"You'll note that politicians no longer spend money,
they invest it. Don't worry about paying more to the
[IRS]. You aren't being taxed; you're taking a plunge
on a fly-by-night stock issue."
-- P.J. O'Rourke
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| User: "Theodore Heise" |
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| Title: Re: Soldiers committing suicide in Iraq |
30 Aug 2003 11:45:26 PM |
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On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 21:03:40 -0400,
Famous Amos Moses® <amoses@swamp.org> wrote:
*cough*
*cough*
*cough*
Ah......god....he-he...that's grrr-rough. There has got to be a
he-he...better....ha-ha way......ok....yeah, I've got a pretty good
buzz going.
I would ha-ha-ha- be hahahah, called.....um.....ah...oh,
yes....ah...legally impaired.....and teehee....haha....I think you
have a valid....ha-ha point.....your insight....uh....ha-ha and
intelligence overwhelms me with it's brilliance.
I've got Doritos.
--
Theodore Heise <theo@heise.nu> Bloomington, IN, USA
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| User: "harold " |
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| Title: am so sorry. I bet that hurt. |
01 Sep 2003 08:46:55 PM |
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On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 21:03:40 -0400, Famous Amos Moses®
<amoses@swamp.org> wrote:
On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 18:04:15 -0500, harold <> wrote:
On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 22:30:20 -0400, Famous Amos Moses®
<amoses@swamp.org> wrote:
On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 20:33:47 -0500, harold <> wrote:
On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 11:49:54 +0200, Pieter Wenk <pwenk@urbanet.ch>
wrote:
On Sun, 24 Aug 2003 15:04:53 -0500, harold <> wrote:
The idea is that a small, nimble force can do the job
at least as good as lots a larger old-fashioned force. Of course,
occupational forces are VERY old-fashioned, but don't tell Rumsfeld that.
That doesn't make a lot of sense. I am sure Rumsfeld knew that before
you were born.
For sure. :-) That's the reason Don Rumsfeld seeks eagerly help from
*Old Europe* :-)
And this means something to you? Do you think it follows?\
Rummy's crystal ball swirled fake snow around a miniature minaret....
Wow... I bet that took at least two tokes.
Regards, Harold (Capitalist Pig)
Harold....you gave me an idea.
Jesus, I am so sorry. I bet that hurt.
[deleted]
Regards, Harold (Capitalist Running Dog)
----
"You'll note that politicians no longer spend money,
they invest it. Don't worry about paying more to the
[IRS]. You aren't being taxed; you're taking a plunge
on a fly-by-night stock issue."
-- P.J. O'Rourke
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| User: "pope_about_town at Xyahoo.com Johnny Asia" |
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| Title: Arnold Lied, There Were NO Nixon-Humphrey Debates |
22 Aug 2003 07:34:21 AM |
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http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-notebook20aug20,1,633530.story
L.A. Times notes that Arnold has been telling an untrue story about
why he became a Republican for years:
.... Arnold Schwarzenegger decided to become a Republican after
listening to "the debates of Hubert Humphrey and Richard Nixon when
they were debating for the presidential race," or so he told
television talk show host Bill O'Reilly in May 2001. "Hubert Humphrey
spoke about things I heard in Austria under socialism."
The only problem: there was no such presidential debate in 1968.
Humphrey challenged, Nixon said no. What Arnold claims to have watched
as his formative American political experience -- the kind of epiphany
you generally remember pretty well (unlike, say, brunching with Ken
Lay) -- simply never occurred.
Schwarzenegger previously recounted his version of history during an
interview at the 2000 Republican National Convention. "When I came to
this country, I was sitting in front of the television set, and I
watched a debate between Humphrey and Nixon, and I didn't even
understand half of it because my English wasn't good enough then. I
had a friend of [mine] translating." Much the same account reappeared
in a recent Newsweek magazine article about him. Schwarzenegger "was a
Republican before he was a citizen," Newsweek wrote, "having watched a
1968 presidential debate for which a friend provided the translation."
The campaign is spinning that he didn't actually see a debate, just
Humphrey and Nixon talking on TV. With, apparently, a friend providing
an ongoing, blow-by-blow translation, because that's how weightlifters
watch any random newscast. Obviously.
http://www.thismodernworld.com/weblog/mtarchives/week_2003_08_17.html
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"The power of accurate observation is called cynicism
by those who have not got it." - G. B. Shaw
The First Church of Common Sense
Want to know what's REALLY going on in Iraq?
http://www.angelfire.com/co/COMMONSENSE/wakeup.html
The Rise and Fall of the Holy Roller Empire
The God-Awful Truth about Christian Zionism
http://www.angelfire.com/co/COMMONSENSE/armageddon.html
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| User: "Peter Lemesurier" |
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| Title: Re: Arnold Lied, There Were NO Nixon-Humphrey Debates |
22 Aug 2003 09:53:01 AM |
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On Fri, 22 Aug 2003 12:34:21 GMT, pope_about_town at Xyahoo.com
(Johnny Asia) either wrote or (if so marked) quoted:
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-notebook20aug20,1,633530.story
L.A. Times notes that Arnold has been telling an untrue story about
why he became a Republican for years:
Yes, yes, we all realise how hard it must be for you to understand
what an international Nostradamus newsgroup is for...
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| User: "pope_about_town at Xyahoo.com Johnny Asia" |
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| Title: Veterans for Common Sense |
21 Aug 2003 09:46:17 PM |
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http://www.veteransforcommonsense.org/newsArticle.asp?id=1011
CNN Survey: 94% Say Bush's Iraq War a "Quagmire"
August 21, 2003, Summary: An on-line survey by CNN shows 94 percent of
those responding agree that "Iraq [is] becoming a quagmire for the
United States." Most on-line surveys tend to be very conservative, so
this survey should sound an alarm bell. The US economy is in dire
condition, US energy companies can't keep on the lights in our Nation,
and the US is now hip-deep in a revolt against the US occupation and
plundering of Iraq's oil ...
http://www.veteransforcommonsense.org/newsArticle.asp?id=1008
Soldier's Death Linked to Experimental Anthrax and Small Pox Vaccines
August 19, 2003, Headline: "Pentagon Slow In Vaccine Death,"
Washington, DC (UPI) - A civilian doctor who took care of an Illinois
soldier before she died in April says the Pentagon should have treated
her death as possibly due to vaccine side effects, but may be
hesitating because of the impact on the military's controversial
smallpox and anthrax vaccine programs.
http://www.veteransforcommonsense.org/newsArticle.asp?id=1005
Pentagon Hides True Gulf War Casualty Count
August 17, 2003, Summary: An earlier news article written by the
Guardian newspaper and posted at VCS claimed up to 4,000 US casualties
in the Gulf War since March 20, 2003. Now, in this stinging report,
the US Department of Defense confirms they don't count troops wounded
in action among casualty figures provided to the press. Instead, the
press (and the people and Congress) must specifically ask. This is a
clear case of the US military manipulating the "body count" ...
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"The power of accurate observation is called cynicism
by those who have not got it." - G. B. Shaw
The First Church of Common Sense
Want to know what's REALLY going on in Iraq?
http://www.angelfire.com/co/COMMONSENSE/wakeup.html
The Rise and Fall of the Holy Roller Empire
The God-Awful Truth about Christian Zionism
http://www.angelfire.com/co/COMMONSENSE/armageddon.html
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