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The recent moveon advert bad-mouthing Gen. Petraeus is in very,
really extremely, poor taste. Realize, most military personnel
hold about as high esteem for their bosses in Washington, D.C.,
as we slave-class civilians do, which is googols less than zero.
And if prophecy has any say in the matter, it's likely that the
military will soon be calling the shots, and quite literally so.
Thus, if I were you, I would remind the beloved military that we
do not blame them for the Anti-Christian Beltway politicians and
their big corporate sponsors. Generals did not give the order to
go fight the controlling elite's "blood-for-oil" contest in Iraq,
or anywhere else for that matter. Soldiers know when they sign up
for military service, that fighting, killing and dying are likely
to be part of the program (much like it is in this [NWO] country).
We all know that there are more than a few moronic imbeciles in the
military, but that goes with the territory. The military needs boots
on the ground, and until the draft returns (which it certainly will)
they take what they can get. Most are brave, good-hearted and quite
intelligent people, but not all of them are, that's for sure. Again,
that's not the military's fault. Like they say, ***** rolls downhill,
and the toilet seat of the world is located somewhere in Washington,
District of Columbia. That's why they'll need to reinstate the draft
and far more importantly they'll need to disestablish Anti-Christian
Atheism as the NWO's official State religion, and this at all costs:
"...par l'espace de vingt cinq ans, & seront plus
...by the space of twenty five years, & will be more
grieues guerres & batailles, & seront villes, citez
grievous wars & battles, & will be towns, cities
chasteaux, & tous autres edifices bruslez, desolez,
castles, & all other edifices burned, desolated,
destruicts, auec grande effusion de sang vestal,
destroyed, with great effusion of blood vestal,
mariees, & vefues violees, enfans de laict contre
spouses, & widowers violated, infants of milk against
les murs des villes allidez & brisez, & tant de
the walls of the towns dashed & broken, & much of
maux se commettront par le moyen de Satan,
malifices they will commit by the means of Satan,
prince infernal, que presque le monde vniuersel se
prince infernal, that almost the world universal will
trouuera defaict & desole" --M. Nostradamus (1503-1566)
find undone & desolate --interlinear by DJM
In Vigilance,
Daniel Joseph Min
http://www.2hot2cool.com/11/danieljosephmin/
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16 Sep 2007 02:59:46 PM |
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Daniel <babylon@usa> wrote:
The recent moveon advert bad-mouthing
Gen. Petraeus is in very, really
extremely, poor taste.
The Republicans elected a draft-dodger-turned
-deserter for President, along with a draft
dodger for Vice President.
In order to get them elected the Republicans
smeared McCain in the primaries, actually
using his service record against him.
In 2002 they smeared the hell out of Max
Cleland in his Senate race, a veteran who
left three of his limbs behind in Vietnam.
In 2004 the Republicans smeared General Clark
in the primary, and then ran the mother of all
smear campaigns against John Kerry and his
decorated service to this nation.
What I'm trying to say is this: GO ***** YOURSELF,
YOU SHAMELESS, PIECE OF ***** HYPOCRITE.
While the Republicans REFUSE to care for our wounded
service men, while the Republicans REFUSE to provide
healthcare to the families of the national guard
troops sent overseas, who DARE badmouth moveon.org
for TELL THE TRUTH?
Here was is what moveon.org says:
https://pol.moveon.org/petraeus.html
If you want to pretend you can find a lie anywhere on
that page, you let us know and we'll demonstrate how
dishonest you traitors are.
Now, go ***** yourself.
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16 Sep 2007 03:40:09 PM |
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On Sep 16, 12:59 pm, JTEM <jte...@gmail.com> wrote:
Daniel <babylon@usa> wrote:
The recent moveon advert bad-mouthing
Gen. Petraeus is in very, really
extremely, poor taste.
The Republicans elected a draft-dodger-turned
-deserter for President, along with a draft
dodger for Vice President.
In order to get them elected the Republicans
smeared McCain in the primaries, actually
using his service record against him.
In 2002 they smeared the hell out of Max
Cleland in his Senate race, a veteran who
left three of his limbs behind in Vietnam.
In 2004 the Republicans smeared General Clark
in the primary, and then ran the mother of all
smear campaigns against John Kerry and his
decorated service to this nation.
General Petraeus is not a candidate for political office, which makes
your attempted comparisons irrelevant.
While the Republicans REFUSE to care for our wounded
service men, while the Republicans REFUSE to provide
healthcare to the families of the national guard
troops sent overseas, who DARE badmouth moveon.org
for TELL THE TRUTH?
The only thing moveon.org managed to do with that ad was to turn the
focus of the conversation to themselves -- and their tactics -- rather
than Iraq.
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| User: "JTEM" |
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16 Sep 2007 05:54:51 PM |
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Steven Douglas <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote:
General Petraeus is not a candidate for
political office, which makes your
attempted comparisons irrelevant.
Wait a minute. You're actually saying that
milterary service isn't worth ***** -- you
might as well pull strings to dodge the
draft and then desert -- if you're not a
Republican and you run for office?
***** you.
The only thing moveon.org managed to do with
that ad was to turn the focus of the
conversation to themselves
*****. Few -- if any -- of the people whining
about the ad (and that includes the entire lunatic
Reich wing media) have ever seen it.
The Reich knows it can count on people like you,
people who are all too eager to excuse what they
do even as you parrot what they say.
I posted the URL to the moveon.org page on the
subject. I challenged you freaks to find something
factually incorrect with the page.
YOU FAILED.
Moveon.org didn't do this, the Reich wing machine
did it, and they did it with the help of you and
the other member of their robot army.
Like I said, ***** you.
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| User: "Steven Douglas" |
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16 Sep 2007 06:27:04 PM |
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On Sep 16, 3:54 pm, JTEM <jte...@gmail.com> wrote:
Steven Douglas <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote:
General Petraeus is not a candidate for
political office, which makes your
attempted comparisons irrelevant.
Wait a minute. You're actually saying that
milterary service isn't worth ***** --
Wait a minute. That's not at all what I said! I served in the
"milterary" so you better be nice to me or you'll be a hypocrite!
you might as well pull strings to dodge the
draft and then desert --
Are you referring to Bill Clinton again?
The only thing moveon.org managed to do with
that ad was to turn the focus of the
conversation to themselves
*****. Few -- if any -- of the people whining
about the ad (and that includes the entire lunatic
Reich wing media) have ever seen it.
If that's true it's because their stupid twisting of General Petraeus'
name became a distraction.
The Reich knows it can count on people like you,
people who are all too eager to excuse what they
do even as you parrot what they say.
No, I actually did not appreciate moveon's twisting of General
Petraeus' name into a despicable insult.
I posted the URL to the moveon.org page on the
subject. I challenged you freaks to find something
factually incorrect with the page.
That has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that moveon's ad
turned the conversation onto themselves and their tactics. And look,
here you are participating in a thread on that very topic.
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17 Sep 2007 02:16:42 AM |
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Steven Douglas <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote:
On Sep 16, 3:54 pm, JTEM <jte...@gmail.com> wrote:
Steven Douglas <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote:
General Petraeus is not a candidate for
political office, which makes your
attempted comparisons irrelevant.
Wait a minute. You're actually saying that
milterary service isn't worth ***** --
Wait a minute. That's not at all what I said! I
served in the "milterary" so you better be nice
to me or you'll be a hypocrite!
You're either running for office right now, or you're
the hypocrite.
What the Republicans said about McCain was a lie. What
the Republicans said about Cleland was a lie. What the
Republicans said about Clark was a lie. What the
Republicans said about Kerry was a lie. What moveon.org
said about Patraeus was the truth.
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| User: "Steven Douglas" |
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17 Sep 2007 07:55:32 AM |
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On Sep 17, 12:16 am, JTEM <jte...@gmail.com> wrote:
Steven Douglas <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote:
On Sep 16, 3:54 pm, JTEM <jte...@gmail.com> wrote:
Steven Douglas <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote:
General Petraeus is not a candidate for
political office, which makes your
attempted comparisons irrelevant.
Wait a minute. You're actually saying that
milterary service isn't worth ***** --
Wait a minute. That's not at all what I said! I
served in the "milterary" so you better be nice
to me or you'll be a hypocrite!
You're either running for office right now, or you're
the hypocrite.
Oh, so the criteria is that you only need to be nice *if* someone is
running for office. Got it.
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| User: "JTEM" |
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18 Sep 2007 12:36:39 AM |
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Steven Douglas <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote:
JTEM <jte...@gmail.com> wrote:
What the Republicans said about McCain was a lie.
What the Republicans said about Cleland was a
lie. What the Republicans said about Clark was
a lie. What the Republicans said about Kerry was
a lie. What moveon.org said about Patraeus was
the truth.
Oh, so the criteria is that you only need to be
nice *if* someone is running for office. Got it.
The only thing you've got is your head up your *****.
Being a Republican you can never understand, but there
is a HUGE difference between saying bad things about
someone which are not true, and saying bad things
which are true.
What moveon.org is saying about Patraeus is true,
and you clearly see it as bad. Which means (now
hold on to your hat) you frigging AGREE that Patraeus
sucks.
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| User: "Steven Douglas" |
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18 Sep 2007 07:34:21 AM |
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On Sep 17, 10:36 pm, JTEM <jte...@gmail.com> wrote:
Steven Douglas <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote:
JTEM <jte...@gmail.com> wrote:
What the Republicans said about McCain was a lie.
What the Republicans said about Cleland was a
lie. What the Republicans said about Clark was
a lie. What the Republicans said about Kerry was
a lie. What moveon.org said about Patraeus was
the truth.
Oh, so the criteria is that you only need to be
nice *if* someone is running for office. Got it.
The only thing you've got is your head up your *****.
Being a Republican you can never understand,
But I'm not a Republican, which makes the remainder of your post
irrelevant.
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| User: "JTEM" |
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18 Sep 2007 12:55:35 PM |
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Steven Douglas <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote:
But I'm not a Republican, which makes the remainder
of your post irrelevant.
Which would mean.... what? That you don't believe
moveon.org said anything the least bit negative
about Patraeus?
Because, if you do believe, you either have to
demonstrate that it wasn't true, or agree that
Patraeus sucks. Because if what they're saying
about Patraeus is true -- and it sucks -- then
Patraeus sucks.
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| User: "Steven Douglas" |
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18 Sep 2007 08:49:36 PM |
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On Sep 18, 10:55 am, JTEM <jte...@gmail.com> wrote:
Steven Douglas <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote:
But I'm not a Republican, which makes the remainder
of your post irrelevant.
Which would mean.... what? That you don't believe
moveon.org said anything the least bit negative
about Patraeus?
Actually, I did think their stupid use of "betray us" was particularly
despicable.
Because, if you do believe, you either have to
demonstrate that it wasn't true, or agree that
Patraeus sucks. Because if what they're saying
about Patraeus is true -- and it sucks -- then
Patraeus sucks.
I'll let Washington Post columnist Richard Cohen explain the use of
the word "betray" to you, and why moveon's stupid use of the word
stupidly distracted from the message they were attempting to send:
[excerpt] Whatever the case, using "betray" -- a word associated with
treason -- recalls the ugly McCarthy era, when for too many
Republicans dissent corresponded with disloyalty. MoveOn.org and the
late senator from Wisconsin share a certain fondness for the low blow.
[end excerpt]
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/09/17/AR2007091701394.html
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| User: "JTEM" |
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19 Sep 2007 12:04:26 PM |
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Steven Douglas <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote:
Actually, I did think their stupid use of "betray us"
was particularly despicable.
Soldiers who lie, play partisan politics at the
expense of the lives of American service men
deserve a lot of respect, huh?
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| User: "Pers3id" |
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19 Sep 2007 09:26:58 PM |
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After Much Chewing of Cud and Cogitation, JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> Spat the
Words
Steven Douglas <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote:
Actually, I did think their stupid use of "betray us"
was particularly despicable.
Soldiers who lie, play partisan politics at the
expense of the lives of American service men
deserve a lot of respect, huh?
More stephen hypocrisy. The Reich-wing is 'outraged' by a newspaper ad,
yet they turn a blind eye to naked military agression killing millions of
people for the purpose of stealing oil.
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| User: "Steven Douglas" |
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19 Sep 2007 11:02:02 PM |
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On Sep 19, 7:26 pm, Pers3id <eidp...@anti-spam.comcast.net> wrote:
After Much Chewing of Cud and Cogitation, JTEM <jte...@gmail.com> Spat the
Words
Steven Douglas <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote:
Actually, I did think their stupid use of "betray us"
was particularly despicable.
Soldiers who lie, play partisan politics at the
expense of the lives of American service men
deserve a lot of respect, huh?
More stephen hypocrisy. The Reich-wing is 'outraged' by a newspaper ad,
yet they turn a blind eye to naked military agression killing millions of
people for the purpose of stealing oil.
By the way, Randy, I notice you were quick to post an article about
Greenspan's claim that the Iraq war is largely about oil. But I notice
you completely ignored his clarification in the Washington Post:
[excerpt] Greenspan, who was the country's top voice on monetary
policy at the time Bush decided to go to war in Iraq, has refrained
from extensive public comment on it until now, but he made the
striking comment in a new memoir out today that "the Iraq War is
largely about oil." In the interview, he clarified that sentence in
his 531-page book, saying that while securing global oil supplies was
"not the administration's motive," he had presented the White House
with the case for why removing Hussein was important for the global
economy.
"I was not saying that that's the administration's motive," Greenspan
said in an interview Saturday, "I'm just saying that if somebody asked
me, 'Are we fortunate in taking out Saddam?' I would say it was
essential." [end excerpt]
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/09/16/AR2007091601287.html
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| User: "Docrodile" |
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22 Sep 2007 09:19:07 AM |
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"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1190260922.606942.66960@i13g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
On Sep 19, 7:26 pm, Pers3id <eidp...@anti-spam.comcast.net> wrote:
After Much Chewing of Cud and Cogitation, JTEM <jte...@gmail.com> Spat
the
Words
Steven Douglas <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote:
Actually, I did think their stupid use of "betray us"
was particularly despicable.
Soldiers who lie, play partisan politics at the
expense of the lives of American service men
deserve a lot of respect, huh?
More stephen hypocrisy. The Reich-wing is 'outraged' by a newspaper ad,
yet they turn a blind eye to naked military agression killing millions
of
people for the purpose of stealing oil.
By the way, Randy, I notice you were quick to post an article about
Greenspan's claim that the Iraq war is largely about oil. But I notice
you completely ignored his clarification in the Washington Post:
[excerpt] Greenspan, who was the country's top voice on monetary
policy at the time Bush decided to go to war in Iraq, has refrained
from extensive public comment on it until now, but he made the
striking comment in a new memoir out today that "the Iraq War is
largely about oil." In the interview, he clarified that sentence in
his 531-page book, saying that while securing global oil supplies was
"not the administration's motive," he had presented the White House
with the case for why removing Hussein was important for the global
economy.
"I was not saying that that's the administration's motive," Greenspan
said in an interview Saturday, "I'm just saying that if somebody asked
me, 'Are we fortunate in taking out Saddam?' I would say it was
essential." [end excerpt]
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/09/16/AR2007091601287.html
Oh, I knew you'd find that lil' gem, Stevie. God, but you are predictable.
Greenspan's opinion that Saddam represented a security risk to the oil
deliveries to the West is irrational.
What purpose would it have served his oil dependent economy to greatly cut
its main source of revenue totally off, or even reduce it significantly?
Saddam would know this would provide an excuse for his removal if the US
couldn't find another appropriate reason.
Greenspan's rationale is seriously flawed, but despite his usual
politically oriented coyness, he is still right -- oil is a major reason
why the US is so seriously committed to the Gulf region. With Halliburton
setting up its international headquarters in Dubai, UAE, it is clear the
megacorporate investment there is extraordinary...enough to get lots more
Americans and nationals there killed and maimed to expand their profit
base and control...for years to come until a world war erupts.
With Blackwater's trigger-happy gunmen swaggering across the Iraqi sands,
indiscriminately filling residents with bullet holes, one can really see
how terribly committed the corporate world is in getting a return on its
increasingly large investment there.'
Yes, America, prepare to die in larger numbers in future 'necessary wars'.
Too bad you can't be one of 'em...you ball of methane.
Doc :))
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| User: "redc1c4" |
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19 Sep 2007 12:29:25 PM |
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JTEM wrote:
Steven Douglas <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote:
Actually, I did think their stupid use of "betray us"
was particularly despicable.
Soldiers who lie, play partisan politics at the
expense of the lives of American service men
deserve a lot of respect, huh?
hence the utter contempt felt for members of the IVAW....
redc1c4,
after all, you couldn't mean anyone else, could you? %-)
--
"Enlisted men are stupid, but extremely cunning and sly, and bear
considerable watching."
Army Officer's Guide
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| User: "JTEM" |
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19 Sep 2007 01:29:21 PM |
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redc1c4 <redc...@drunkenbastards.org.ies> wrote:
hence the utter contempt felt for members of the IVAW....
Can you demonstrate that they ever lied?
Petraeus lied. It's documented:
http://pol.moveon.org/petraeus.html
See how that works, sparky? I supported what I stated.
Petraeus lied, and he lied for the sake of partisan
Republican politics, at the expense of American
lives.
Patraeus put his career ahead of the lives of his men.
Petraeus put the partisan political goals of the
Whitehouse ahead of the lives of his men.
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| User: "redc1c4" |
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19 Sep 2007 04:21:05 PM |
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JTEM wrote:
redc1c4 <redc...@drunkenbastards.org.ies> wrote:
hence the utter contempt felt for members of the IVAW....
Can you demonstrate that they ever lied?
Petraeus lied. It's documented:
http://pol.moveon.org/petraeus.html
See how that works, sparky? I supported what I stated.
you quote a collection of hacks with an agenda that matches yours, and
all they quote are skewed news stories from other hacks with the same
agenda.
moveon.org is no more creditable than you are..... try again.
Petraeus lied, and he lied for the sake of partisan
Republican politics, at the expense of American
lives.
Patraeus put his career ahead of the lives of his men.
Petraeus put the partisan political goals of the
Whitehouse ahead of the lives of his men.
translated: "the surge can't be w*rking: i'd be wrong!"
redc1c4,
do a Google on IVAW and fraud..... %-)
--
"Enlisted men are stupid, but extremely cunning and sly, and bear
considerable watching."
Army Officer's Guide
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19 Sep 2007 04:43:36 PM |
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redc1c4 <redc...@drunkenbastards.org.ies> wrote:
http://pol.moveon.org/petraeus.html
See how that works, sparky? I supported what
I stated.
you quote a collection of hacks with an agenda
that matches yours,
No, my little ankle-grabber. The page contains links
to various news sources, all quoting General Betray
Us.
It is NOT merely an opinion piece. The fact that you
don't know the difference is no surprise, but there
is a difference.
Your ignorance doesn't qualify as an argument. Nope.
I'm laughing at you, ***** hole.
Now, come on. Borrow some manhood from the nearest
Democrat and try -- really try -- to support what
you're saying with facts. You know, actual cites.
"References," you ***** punk.
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19 Sep 2007 04:34:46 PM |
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On 20 Sep, 09:21, redc1c4 <redc...@drunkenbastards.org.ies> wrote:
--
"Enlisted men are stupid, but extremely cunning and sly, and bear
considerable watching."
Army Officer's Guide
so it is the curse of the intelligent that the stupid are cunning
i think i'll put that in my post apocalyptic book of aphorisms
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19 Sep 2007 04:41:42 PM |
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On Sep 19, 2:34 pm, wrote:
On 20 Sep, 09:21, redc1c4 <redc...@drunkenbastards.org.ies> wrote:
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"Enlisted men are stupid, but extremely cunning and sly, and bear
considerable watching."
Army Officer's Guide
so it is the curse of the intelligent that the stupid are cunning
i think i'll put that in my post apocalyptic book of aphorisms
****Republicrap Congress***STILL IN THE TOILET AND ABORTION STILL
LEGAL, AIN'T THAT A HOOT?*********REPUBLICRAPS ARE POWERLESS TO DO
ANYTHING ABOUT IT, PISSES CONSERVATIVES OFF, YA GOTTA LOVE
IT*******HEEE HEEEE!!!!!!!!!
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19 Sep 2007 02:20:51 PM |
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On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 10:04:26 -0700, JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote:
Steven Douglas <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote:
Actually, I did think their stupid use of "betray us"
was particularly despicable.
Soldiers who lie, play partisan politics at the
expense of the lives of American service men
deserve a lot of respect, huh?
Regardless of the characterisation of his report, insulting people by
making mockery of their name is an elementary school level of
argumentation.
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| User: "JTEM" |
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19 Sep 2007 04:46:05 PM |
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David Johnston <da...@block.net> wrote:
Regardless of the characterisation of his report,
insulting people by making mockery of their name
is an elementary school level of argumentation.
True. But insulting a ***** who plays partisan
politics with the lives of American soldiers IS NOT
"Bad-Mouthing The Military."
(Psst. Check the subject line)
So unless you want to get mighty selective about
the infantile rants you take offense to, you
picked the wrong place to start.
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| User: "Steven Douglas" |
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19 Sep 2007 07:47:45 PM |
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On Sep 19, 12:20 pm, David Johnston <da...@block.net> wrote:
On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 10:04:26 -0700, JTEM <jte...@gmail.com> wrote:
Steven Douglas <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote:
Actually, I did think their stupid use of "betray us"
was particularly despicable.
Soldiers who lie, play partisan politics at the
expense of the lives of American service men
deserve a lot of respect, huh?
Regardless of the characterisation of his report, insulting people by
making mockery of their name is an elementary school level of
argumentation.
You just described the state of the wacky left in this country --
they're emotional, they stomp their feet and throw tantrums; they're
utterly childish.
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| Title: Re: Stop Bad-Mouthing The Military! |
19 Sep 2007 08:10:13 PM |
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On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 17:47:45 -0700, Steven Douglas
<dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote:
On Sep 19, 12:20 pm, David Johnston <da...@block.net> wrote:
On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 10:04:26 -0700, JTEM <jte...@gmail.com> wrote:
Steven Douglas <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote:
Actually, I did think their stupid use of "betray us"
was particularly despicable.
Soldiers who lie, play partisan politics at the
expense of the lives of American service men
deserve a lot of respect, huh?
Regardless of the characterisation of his report, insulting people by
making mockery of their name is an elementary school level of
argumentation.
You just described the state of the wacky left in this country --
they're emotional, they stomp their feet and throw tantrums; they're
utterly childish.
I've seen the word "demoncrat" too many times to accept your
restriction.
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| User: "Steven Douglas" |
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| Title: Re: Stop Bad-Mouthing The Military! |
19 Sep 2007 08:21:56 PM |
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On Sep 19, 6:10 pm, David Johnston <da...@block.net> wrote:
On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 17:47:45 -0700, Steven Douglas
<dste...@flashmail.com> wrote:
On Sep 19, 12:20 pm, David Johnston <da...@block.net> wrote:
On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 10:04:26 -0700, JTEM <jte...@gmail.com> wrote:
Steven Douglas <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote:
Actually, I did think their stupid use of "betray us"
was particularly despicable.
Soldiers who lie, play partisan politics at the
expense of the lives of American service men
deserve a lot of respect, huh?
Regardless of the characterisation of his report, insulting people by
making mockery of their name is an elementary school level of
argumentation.
You just described the state of the wacky left in this country --
they're emotional, they stomp their feet and throw tantrums; they're
utterly childish.
I've seen the word "demoncrat" too many times to accept your
restriction.
You're right, I don't like the wacky right either.
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| User: "Docrodile" |
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| Title: Re: Stop Bad-Mouthing The Military! |
18 Sep 2007 09:53:58 PM |
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"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1190166576.682062.271440@q3g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
On Sep 18, 10:55 am, JTEM <jte...@gmail.com> wrote:
Steven Douglas <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote:
But I'm not a Republican, which makes the remainder
of your post irrelevant.
Which would mean.... what? That you don't believe
moveon.org said anything the least bit negative
about Patraeus?
Actually, I did think their stupid use of "betray us" was particularly
despicable.
Because, if you do believe, you either have to
demonstrate that it wasn't true, or agree that
Patraeus sucks. Because if what they're saying
about Patraeus is true -- and it sucks -- then
Patraeus sucks.
I'll let Washington Post columnist Richard Cohen explain the use of
the word "betray" to you, and why moveon's stupid use of the word
stupidly distracted from the message they were attempting to send:
[excerpt] Whatever the case, using "betray" -- a word associated with
treason -- recalls the ugly McCarthy era, when for too many
Republicans dissent corresponded with disloyalty. MoveOn.org and the
late senator from Wisconsin share a certain fondness for the low blow.
[end excerpt]
Uh...what that standard comical political stunt was referring to is the
nasty depressing fact that Gen. Gaius Cassius Longinus is simply a
political puppet for Bush and Cheney's failed Iraq policy...AND the
betrayal is to the young men and women whose lives are being wasted for
this subterfuge. And the betrayal of the public's desire to get the war
over ASAP. The general neither gives a hoot about wasted lives, being
biased and licking Bush's boots, or taking a ***** on the public's disgust
with Bush and the war.
(Oh, I know, the Roman General of ancient times was a co-conspirator in
the assassination of Julius Caesar. That remains to be seen - whether
Betrayus, er, Patreaous, will kill Bush. If he does, I'll have a more
positive view of him. Perhaps, I'm being unfair. Should we think of him as
a modern counterpart to Marcus Licinius Crassus? The Iraqi terrorists can
sub as the modern counterpart to Sparticus' slave army.)
Frankly, Stevie, my liberal general, Wesley Clark, can beat up your
conservative general Patreaous any day, with one arm tied behind his back.
What do you think of that challenge? You nutcase.
Doc :))~
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/09/17/AR2007091701394.html
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| User: "Pers3id" |
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| Title: Re: Stop Bad-Mouthing The Military! |
19 Sep 2007 01:16:30 AM |
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After Much Chewing of Cud and Cogitation, "Docrodile"
<swampthing@hellsbayou.net> Spat the Words
"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1190166576.682062.271440@q3g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
On Sep 18, 10:55 am, JTEM <jte...@gmail.com> wrote:
Steven Douglas <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote:
But I'm not a Republican, which makes the remainder
of your post irrelevant.
Which would mean.... what? That you don't believe
moveon.org said anything the least bit negative
about Patraeus?
Actually, I did think their stupid use of "betray us" was particularly
despicable.
Because, if you do believe, you either have to
demonstrate that it wasn't true, or agree that
Patraeus sucks. Because if what they're saying
about Patraeus is true -- and it sucks -- then
Patraeus sucks.
I'll let Washington Post columnist Richard Cohen explain the use of
the word "betray" to you, and why moveon's stupid use of the word
stupidly distracted from the message they were attempting to send:
[excerpt] Whatever the case, using "betray" -- a word associated with
treason -- recalls the ugly McCarthy era, when for too many
Republicans dissent corresponded with disloyalty. MoveOn.org and the
late senator from Wisconsin share a certain fondness for the low blow.
[end excerpt]
Gen Petraeus' real betrayal is to give the impression that progress has
been made by 'the surge'. In fact, the only progress has been to decrease
violence in areas of increased troop concentration.. in *EVERY* other
respect, Iraq is no closer to stable independence than a year ago. The
neocons, and the BushCheney just don't want to admit this. Petraeus has
misled American just as surely as the BushCheney did 4 years ago when it
started the Iraq quagmire.
Uh...what that standard comical political stunt was referring to is the
nasty depressing fact that Gen. Gaius Cassius Longinus is simply a
political puppet for Bush and Cheney's failed Iraq policy...AND the
betrayal is to the young men and women whose lives are being wasted for
this subterfuge. And the betrayal of the public's desire to get the war
over ASAP. The general neither gives a hoot about wasted lives, being
biased and licking Bush's boots, or taking a ***** on the public's disgust
with Bush and the war.
(Oh, I know, the Roman General of ancient times was a co-conspirator in
the assassination of Julius Caesar. That remains to be seen - whether
Betrayus, er, Patreaous, will kill Bush. If he does, I'll have a more
positive view of him. Perhaps, I'm being unfair. Should we think of him
as
a modern counterpart to Marcus Licinius Crassus? The Iraqi terrorists can
sub as the modern counterpart to Sparticus' slave army.)
Frankly, Stevie, my liberal general, Wesley Clark, can beat up your
conservative general Patreaous any day, with one arm tied behind his
back.
What do you think of that challenge? You nutcase.
Doc :))~
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-
dyn/content/article/2007/09/17/AR2007091701394.html
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| User: "Phil Gristle" |
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| Title: Re: Stop Bad-Mouthing The Military! |
19 Sep 2007 04:51:15 PM |
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On 19 Sep, 14:53, "Docrodile" <swampth...@hellsbayou.net> wrote:
Frankly, Stevie, my liberal general, Wesley Clark, can beat up your
conservative general Patreaous any day, with one arm tied behind his back.
smedley butler vs Al Capone as a pre match ?
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| User: "Phil Gristle" |
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| Title: Re: Stop Bad-Mouthing The Military! |
19 Sep 2007 04:54:13 PM |
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On 20 Sep, 09:51, Phil Gristle <philgris...@gmail.com> wrote:
On 19 Sep, 14:53, "Docrodile" <swampth...@hellsbayou.net> wrote:
Frankly, Stevie, my liberal general, Wesley Clark, can beat up your
conservative general Patreaous any day, with one arm tied behind his back.
smedley butler vs Al Capone as a pre match ?
"My interest is, my one hobby is, maintaining a democracy. If you get
these 500,000 soldiers advocating anything smelling of Fascism, I am
going to get 500,000 more and lick the hell out of you, and we will
have a real war right at home."
Reply to Gerald MacGuire, after being asked to organize WWI veterans
(for military support) in a fascist-coup of FDR, as related by Butler
in testimony before Congress, 1934. A reporter (a Butler confidant)
testified MacGuire said, "We might go along with Roosevelt and then do
with him what Mussolini did with the King of Italy." Which was, made
him a figure-head.
now them's fightin words
is there a smedley butler quantrain ?
or a patreaous one ?
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| User: "Docrodile" |
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| Title: Re: Stop Bad-Mouthing The Military! |
18 Sep 2007 12:53:49 PM |
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"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1190118861.994876.153550@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
On Sep 17, 10:36 pm, JTEM <jte...@gmail.com> wrote:
Steven Douglas <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote:
JTEM <jte...@gmail.com> wrote:
What the Republicans said about McCain was a lie.
What the Republicans said about Cleland was a
lie. What the Republicans said about Clark was
a lie. What the Republicans said about Kerry was
a lie. What moveon.org said about Patraeus was
the truth.
Oh, so the criteria is that you only need to be
nice *if* someone is running for office. Got it.
The only thing you've got is your head up your *****.
Being a Republican you can never understand,
But I'm not a Republican, which makes the remainder of your post
irrelevant.
You could've fooled us all...oh yeah, you're the "traditional Democrat"
that is, uh, most conservative on that side, while you pay homage and kiss
the ***** of the ultra conservative Republicans on the other, like Romney,
the lil' Mormon messiah. LOL! We don't actually care what you think you
are, or what you say you are...we KNOW what you are, Stevie, you bird
brain. Liar, hypocrite, psycho, boot licker, manipulator, a smart-*****
joker in the pack...armchair general, dumb idealist, phony christian...I
could go on and on. SO WHAT?
Doc :))~
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