danisnewlover@hotmail.com wrote in news:59d9b7a7-a703-403e-8b93-
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On Dec 1, 6:49 pm, Werewolfy <Werewol...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

On 1 Dec, 06:47, Steven Douglas <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote:

"Of course we know. It's been in our news for days. What is truly
amazing is the way the Islamic Republic of Sudan sanctions the raping
of young girls while their fathers are forced to watch..."

I take a rather different angle Steven. I am amazed that an
'intelligent' woman, working in an Islamic State, teaching Islamic
children, wasn't aware of the delicate nature of her position, and the
need for independence from cultural issues.
My cat knows that Islamic Society is, to say the least, rather a
serious group of zealots who rever the name of their prophet. It's
very suprising that a trained and prudent woman should have
transgressed in this way.
Yes, I know...it's all very silly and emotive...but these are their
rules. One thing that travel teaches, is that when you are abroad, you
must adopt the rules of that Country, and abide by them. It's
something a wise visitor does automatically. Surely a teacher is a
wise individual?

I don't know...perhaps there was some previous indiscretion, perhaps
an earlier warning. Perhaps it was an intentional slur...perhaps it
was just a very silly thing to do whilst resident in Sudan.

The way the thread has progressed to include the rape of children
seems rather a drastic change of direction. That's another issue
altogether, and one that no doubt may be argued as being not quite so
emotive or accurate as your post presumes.

It has occured to me that there are some Christians who may well be
outraged if a Muslim woman was teaching their children Arabic, and she
called the class Teddy Bear, 'Jesus'. Oh I know, nothing like the same
scale, but no doubt quite a few of your more severe Christian cults
would be shouting, 'Kill the *****' or something similar. My
apologies for the poor taste in language, it's just that so many
Americans use this expression in every other sentence.

It's all silly. Teddy bears are silly. Islam is silly. God is silly.

Werewolfy

You are silly!!!

You are the Douche Bag!!!

You wouldn't know a douche bag if it crawled up yer ***** pal..

danisnewlo...@hotmail.com wrote in news:59d9b7a7-a703-403e-8b93-
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On Dec 1, 6:49 pm, Werewolfy <Werewol...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

On 1 Dec, 06:47, Steven Douglas <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote:

"Of course we know. It's been in our news for days. What is truly
amazing is the way the Islamic Republic of Sudan sanctions the raping
of young girls while their fathers are forced to watch..."

I take a rather different angle Steven. I am amazed that an
'intelligent' woman, working in an Islamic State, teaching Islamic
children, wasn't aware of the delicate nature of her position, and the
need for independence from cultural issues.
My cat knows that Islamic Society is, to say the least, rather a
serious group of zealots who rever the name of their prophet. It's
very suprising that a trained and prudent woman should have
transgressed in this way.
Yes, I know...it's all very silly and emotive...but these are their
rules. One thing that travel teaches, is that when you are abroad, you
must adopt the rules of that Country, and abide by them. It's
something a wise visitor does automatically. Surely a teacher is a
wise individual?

I don't know...perhaps there was some previous indiscretion, perhaps
an earlier warning. Perhaps it was an intentional slur...perhaps it
was just a very silly thing to do whilst resident in Sudan.

The way the thread has progressed to include the rape of children
seems rather a drastic change of direction. That's another issue
altogether, and one that no doubt may be argued as being not quite so
emotive or accurate as your post presumes.

It has occured to me that there are some Christians who may well be
outraged if a Muslim woman was teaching their children Arabic, and she
called the class Teddy Bear, 'Jesus'. Oh I know, nothing like the same
scale, but no doubt quite a few of your more severe Christian cults
would be shouting, 'Kill the *****' or something similar. My
apologies for the poor taste in language, it's just that so many
Americans use this expression in every other sentence.

It's all silly. Teddy bears are silly. Islam is silly. God is silly.

Werewolfy

You are silly!!!
You are the Douche Bag!!!

You wouldn't know a douche bag if it crawled up yer ***** pal..

"Woodswun" <woods...@tepidmail.com> wrote in message

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On Sat, 01 Dec 2007 15:49:14 -0800, Werewolfy wrote:

On 1 Dec, 06:47, Steven Douglas <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote:

"Of course we know. It's been in our news for days. What is truly
amazing is the way the Islamic Republic of Sudan sanctions the raping
of young girls while their fathers are forced to watch..."

I take a rather different angle Steven. I am amazed that an
'intelligent' woman, working in an Islamic State, teaching Islamic
children, wasn't aware of the delicate nature of her position, and the
need for independence from cultural issues.
My cat knows that Islamic Society is, to say the least, rather a
serious group of zealots who rever the name of their prophet. It's
very suprising that a trained and prudent woman should have
transgressed in this way.
Yes, I know...it's all very silly and emotive...but these are their
rules. One thing that travel teaches, is that when you are abroad, you
must adopt the rules of that Country, and abide by them. It's
something a wise visitor does automatically. Surely a teacher is a
wise individual?

Not in my experience, Ricky. In this case, I don't see how anyone not
raised in the culture could have anticipated the reaction. Obviously the
children did not think anything was amiss with naming the teddy bear
Mohammed, and people name their kids after him, so ....

Well, I doubt few Muslims would object to their naive pre-teen children
referring to the teddy bear with the name of their revered Prophet. And
naming your kids after Muhammed is a sign of respect and admiration. But, a
US ally's citizen, white, European, transplanted into a volatile, sensitive,
virtual powder keg (created largely by Bush strategic, diplomatic missteps
and mass killing of civilians), isn't going to be treated indifferently, and
she should've been well aware of this. Whether it was just an honest poor
decision or a sly attempt at a slur on their religious icon, it really
equates with, for example, a christian teacher amongst Hindus in India
naming a stuffed toy monkey, Krishna. A bear is an animal, teddy or not.
Some christians would, as Wolfy said, object vehemently to, let's say, a
rubber snake being named by a class teacher as Jesus...even though Jesus is
a rather common Spanish/Latino name for boys, and the kids (in a
Hispanic-dominated part of LA, for example) voted to have it named...still,
they're regarded as just naive kids. The "blame" falls on the educated,
supposedly mature instructor for letting it happen. I agree the whole silly
issue is being blown out of proportion, and is typical of the increasing
angry, racial, piously bigoted, nationalistic exchanges between Muslim
peoples and Westerners. IMO, this ugly social-political process, if left to
fester for long, will lead to a massive bloodletting, a world war. Stupid
folks like the Acorn are helping move us to that fateful time. As you can
see, as I predicted, he used this incident to attack Muslims' morality on an
unrelated issue. And...so, when that conflagration comes, then...everyone on
each side, in the aftermath, will be goddamned sorry they were, at least
partly, led down the primrose path by media exploiters, warmongers, greedy
capitalists, religious fanatics, racists, their own ignorance and fear, and
for other assorted stupid reasons and by assorted foolish assholes.

Doc

"Woodswun" <woods...@tepidmail.com> wrote in message
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On Sat, 01 Dec 2007 15:49:14 -0800, Werewolfy wrote:

On 1 Dec, 06:47, Steven Douglas <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote:

"Of course we know. It's been in our news for days. What is truly
amazing is the way the Islamic Republic of Sudan sanctions the raping
of young girls while their fathers are forced to watch..."

I take a rather different angle Steven. I am amazed that an
'intelligent' woman, working in an Islamic State, teaching Islamic
children, wasn't aware of the delicate nature of her position, and the
need for independence from cultural issues.
My cat knows that Islamic Society is, to say the least, rather a
serious group of zealots who rever the name of their prophet. It's
very suprising that a trained and prudent woman should have
transgressed in this way.
Yes, I know...it's all very silly and emotive...but these are their
rules. One thing that travel teaches, is that when you are abroad, you
must adopt the rules of that Country, and abide by them. It's
something a wise visitor does automatically. Surely a teacher is a
wise individual?

Not in my experience, Ricky. In this case, I don't see how anyone not
raised in the culture could have anticipated the reaction. Obviously the
children did not think anything was amiss with naming the teddy bear
Mohammed, and people name their kids after him, so ....

Well, I doubt few Muslims would object to their naive pre-teen children
referring to the teddy bear with the name of their revered Prophet. And
naming your kids after Muhammed is a sign of respect and admiration. But, a
US ally's citizen, white, European, transplanted into a volatile, sensitive,
virtual powder keg (created largely by Bush strategic, diplomatic missteps
and mass killing of civilians),

On Dec 1, 4:57 pm, Woodswun <woods...@tepidmail.com> wrote:

On Sat, 01 Dec 2007 15:49:14 -0800, Werewolfy wrote:

The way the thread has progressed to include the rape of children seems
rather a drastic change of direction. That's another issue altogether,
and one that no doubt may be argued as being not quite so emotive or
accurate as your post presumes.

That's Steven's style - interject some tangent to drive one of his pet
beliefs into the group.

I know the genocide in Sudan is just a side issue to be ignored if at
all possible. Sorry to have forced you to think about it when you'd
have rather ignored it.