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Topic:	Science > Prophecies-Of-Nostradamus
User:	"TonyZ2001"
Date:	02 Jul 2004 11:52:11 AM
Object:	Terrorists almost had Iraqi WMD

Chemical munitions found by Polish soldiers were being pursued by terrorists
MONIKA SCISLOWSKA, Associated Press Writer
Friday, July 2, 2004
(07-02) 07:18 PDT WARSAW, Poland (AP) --
Terrorists may have been close to obtaining munitions containing the deadly
nerve agent cyclosarin that Polish soldiers recovered last month in Iraq, the
head of Poland's military intelligence said Friday.
Polish troops had been searching for munitions as part of their regular mission
in south-central Iraq when they were told by an informant in May that
terrorists had made a bid to buy the chemical weapons, which date back to
Saddam Hussein's war with Iran in the 1980s, Gen. Marek Dukaczewski told
reporters in Warsaw.
"We were mortified by the information that terrorists were looking for these
warheads and offered $5,000 apiece," Dukaczewski said. "An attack with such
weapons would be hard to imagine. All of our activity was accelerated at
appropriating these warheads."
Dukaczewski refused to give any further details about the terrorists or the
sellers of the munitions, saying only that his troops thwarted terrorists by
purchasing the 17 rockets for a Soviet-era launcher and two mortar rounds
containing the nerve agent for an undisclosed sum June 23.
In May, a booby-trapped artillery shell apparently filled with the sarin nerve
agent exploded alongside a Baghdad road but caused no serious injuries to the
U.S. forces who discovered it. At the time, officials stopped short of claiming
the munition was definite evidence of a large weapons stockpile in prewar Iraq
or evidence of recent production by Saddam's regime.
The warheads all contained cyclosarin, multinational force commander Polish
Gen. Mieczyslaw Bieniek said.
"Laboratory tests showed the presence in them of cyclosarin, a very toxic gas,
five times stronger than sarin and five times more durable," Bieniek told
Poland's TVN24 at the force's Camp Babylon headquarters.
"If these warheads, which were still usable, were used on a military base like
Camp Babylon, they would have caused unforeseeable damage."
The tests were done by U.S. experts, who were conducting more.
The munitions were found in a bunker in the Polish sector, but Polish officials
refused to be more specific.

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User: "Charly the Bastard"
Title: Re: Terrorists almost had Iraqi WMD	03 Jul 2004 09:25:58 PM

TonyZ2001 wrote:

Chemical munitions found by Polish soldiers were being pursued by terrorists

MONIKA SCISLOWSKA, Associated Press Writer
Friday, July 2, 2004

(07-02) 07:18 PDT WARSAW, Poland (AP) --

Terrorists may have been close to obtaining munitions containing the deadly
nerve agent cyclosarin that Polish soldiers recovered last month in Iraq, the
head of Poland's military intelligence said Friday.

Polish troops had been searching for munitions as part of their regular mission
in south-central Iraq when they were told by an informant in May that
terrorists had made a bid to buy the chemical weapons, which date back to
Saddam Hussein's war with Iran in the 1980s, Gen. Marek Dukaczewski told
reporters in Warsaw.

"We were mortified by the information that terrorists were looking for these
warheads and offered $5,000 apiece," Dukaczewski said. "An attack with such
weapons would be hard to imagine. All of our activity was accelerated at
appropriating these warheads."

Dukaczewski refused to give any further details about the terrorists or the
sellers of the munitions, saying only that his troops thwarted terrorists by
purchasing the 17 rockets for a Soviet-era launcher and two mortar rounds
containing the nerve agent for an undisclosed sum June 23.

In May, a booby-trapped artillery shell apparently filled with the sarin nerve
agent exploded alongside a Baghdad road but caused no serious injuries to the
U.S. forces who discovered it. At the time, officials stopped short of claiming
the munition was definite evidence of a large weapons stockpile in prewar Iraq
or evidence of recent production by Saddam's regime.

The warheads all contained cyclosarin, multinational force commander Polish
Gen. Mieczyslaw Bieniek said.

"Laboratory tests showed the presence in them of cyclosarin, a very toxic gas,
five times stronger than sarin and five times more durable," Bieniek told
Poland's TVN24 at the force's Camp Babylon headquarters.

"If these warheads, which were still usable, were used on a military base like
Camp Babylon, they would have caused unforeseeable damage."

The tests were done by U.S. experts, who were conducting more.

The munitions were found in a bunker in the Polish sector, but Polish officials
refused to be more specific.

What a bunch of unadulterated crap. Binary munitions, which is what was found on
the roadside, have to be fired from an artillary piece to activate. Just wrapping
one in detcord won't do the deed. Sure, they'e filled with some potentially narsty
stuff, but if the insurgants had artillary, don't you think we'd have heard about
the shelling by now? Small arms, RPGs, mortars, IEDs, car bombs, that's what's in
the News, not a hint of working artillary or other heavy weapons. Scare tactics...
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User: "Jean Guernon"
Title: And maybe they will given the dems and the weasels Re: Terroristsalmost had Iraqi WMD	10 Jul 2004 03:11:10 AM

But this has to be looked within the bigger picture.
NO ONE can say that the tons of WMD like the liters of Anthrax that WERE
indeed accounted for by the UN were destroyed by Saddam even if he said
so, he said he had destroyed what is found also.
These WMD are somewhere if he didn't make others despite the 25 labs found.
NO ONE can say they are not somewhere. NO ONE.
Yet those stupid dems on the intelligence committee all say there were
no WMD because they haven't found them.
They didn't find anything in the first Gulf War until a defector told
them where they were. These losers, instead of trying to change the
conditions so that a defector would come forward, instead attack the
prez and take out all chance of getting this resolved, yet no one in his
right mind would pretend that Saddam destroyed his WMD these liters of
anthrax, they are somewhere.
They play with fire, just by spite. ANd the media goes along with it,
all ignoring the FACT that these MISSING WMD MUST be somewhere
pretending they have disappeared into thin air just so as to discredit
the administration.
If and when they will be used, because of their utter irrelevancy, who
do you think will be blamed?
J.
Charly the ***** a �crit:

TonyZ2001 wrote:

Chemical munitions found by Polish soldiers were being pursued by terrorists

MONIKA SCISLOWSKA, Associated Press Writer
Friday, July 2, 2004

(07-02) 07:18 PDT WARSAW, Poland (AP) --

Terrorists may have been close to obtaining munitions containing the deadly
nerve agent cyclosarin that Polish soldiers recovered last month in Iraq, the
head of Poland's military intelligence said Friday.

Polish troops had been searching for munitions as part of their regular mission
in south-central Iraq when they were told by an informant in May that
terrorists had made a bid to buy the chemical weapons, which date back to
Saddam Hussein's war with Iran in the 1980s, Gen. Marek Dukaczewski told
reporters in Warsaw.

"We were mortified by the information that terrorists were looking for these
warheads and offered $5,000 apiece," Dukaczewski said. "An attack with such
weapons would be hard to imagine. All of our activity was accelerated at
appropriating these warheads."

Dukaczewski refused to give any further details about the terrorists or the
sellers of the munitions, saying only that his troops thwarted terrorists by
purchasing the 17 rockets for a Soviet-era launcher and two mortar rounds
containing the nerve agent for an undisclosed sum June 23.

In May, a booby-trapped artillery shell apparently filled with the sarin nerve
agent exploded alongside a Baghdad road but caused no serious injuries to the
U.S. forces who discovered it. At the time, officials stopped short of claiming
the munition was definite evidence of a large weapons stockpile in prewar Iraq
or evidence of recent production by Saddam's regime.

The warheads all contained cyclosarin, multinational force commander Polish
Gen. Mieczyslaw Bieniek said.

"Laboratory tests showed the presence in them of cyclosarin, a very toxic gas,
five times stronger than sarin and five times more durable," Bieniek told
Poland's TVN24 at the force's Camp Babylon headquarters.

"If these warheads, which were still usable, were used on a military base like
Camp Babylon, they would have caused unforeseeable damage."

The tests were done by U.S. experts, who were conducting more.

The munitions were found in a bunker in the Polish sector, but Polish officials
refused to be more specific.

User: "R. Foreman"
Title: Re: And maybe they will given the dems and the weasels Re: Terrorists almost had Iraqi WMD	10 Jul 2004 10:44:00 AM

Jean Guernon <jguernon@globetrotter.net> Spat the Words

Yes, and he had fertilizer factories also - a number of dual-use
facilities. This much was all well known. They had facilities
to process castor beans into deadly agents. By these definitions
any country who employs a chemist is an imminent threat to the
US.
The real question is concerning how much of an imminent threat
was Iraq to the US? The Congress just completed investigation into
the CIA indicating they had lots of faulty intelligence, and Tenet
gave his report to Bush in late 2002 which indicated Iraq's
potential to develop these agents and outlined Iraq's probably
current capabilities, but never did that report state Iraq
posed an imminent threat to the US.
So if Iraq did not pose an imminent threat to the US, why
are Bush and a large number of his minions on record dozens,
hundreds of times stating Iraq posed a serious, grievous, and
imminent threat to the US? The answer is because it was Bush's
plan from inauguration day to invade Iraq - it really didn't
matter what the CIA told him, he would use any information
they gave him to spin it into an argument for going to war.
Quotes by Bush Officials concerning the 'imminent' Iraqi threat
http://www.americanprogress.org/site/pp.asp?c=biJRJ8OVF&b=24970
Cia chief denies stating Iraq posed an 'imminent threat'
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0206-01.htm
Richard Clarke gave first-hand details of Bush's obsession
with Iraq. Here are some of Clarke's words.
"Frankly," he said, "I find it outrageous that the president
is running for re-election on the grounds that he's done such
great things about terrorism. He ignored it. He ignored
terrorism for months, when maybe we could have done something
to stop 9/11. Maybe. We'll never know."
"Rumsfeld was saying that we needed to bomb Iraq," Clarke
said to Stahl. "And we all said ... no, no. Al-Qaeda is in
Afghanistan. We need to bomb Afghanistan. And Rumsfeld said
there aren't any good targets in Afghanistan. And there are
lots of good targets in Iraq. I said, 'Well, there are lots
of good targets in lots of places, but Iraq had nothing to do
with it.
"Initially, I thought when he said, 'There aren't enough targets
in-- in Afghanistan,' I thought he was joking.
"I think they wanted to believe that there was a connection,
but the CIA was sitting there, the FBI was sitting there,
I was sitting there saying we've looked at this issue for
years. For years we've looked and there's just no connection."
Clarke then tells Stahl of being pressured by Mr. Bush.
"The president dragged me into a room with a couple of other
people, shut the door, and said, 'I want you to find whether
Iraq did this.' Now he never said, 'Make it up.' But the entire
conversation left me in absolutely no doubt that George Bush
wanted me to come back with a report that said Iraq did this.
"I said, 'Mr. President. We've done this before. We have been
looking at this. We looked at it with an open mind. There's no
connection.'
"He came back at me and said, "Iraq! Saddam! Find out if there's
a connection.' And in a very intimidating way. I mean that we
should come back with that answer. We wrote a report."
Clarke continued, "It was a serious look. We got together all
the FBI experts, all the CIA experts. We wrote the report. We
sent the report out to CIA and found FBI and said, 'Will you
sign this report?' They all cleared the report. And we sent it
up to the president and it got bounced by the National Security
Advisor or Deputy. It got bounced and sent back saying,
'Wrong answer. ... Do it again.'
"I have no idea, to this day, if the president saw it, because
after we did it again, it came to the same conclusion. And
frankly, I don't think the people around the president show
him memos like that. I don't think he sees memos that he
doesn't-- wouldn't like the answer."
Clarke finally got his meeting about al Qaeda in April, three
months after his urgent request. But it wasn't with the president
or cabinet. It was with the second-in-command in each relevant
department.
For the Pentagon, it was Paul Wolfowitz.
Clarke relates, "I began saying, 'We have to deal with bin
Laden; we have to deal with al Qaeda.' Paul Wolfowitz, the
Deputy Secretary of Defense, said, 'No, no, no. We don't
have to deal with al Qaeda. Why are we talking about that
little guy? We have to talk about Iraqi terrorism against
the United States.'
"And I said, 'Paul, there hasn't been any Iraqi terrorism
against the United States in eight years!' And I turned to
the deputy director of the CIA and said, 'Isn't that right?'
And he said, 'Yeah, that's right. There is no Iraqi terrorism
against the United States."
Clarke went on to add, "There's absolutely no evidence that
Iraq was supporting al Qaeda, ever."
When Stahl pointed out that some administration officials
say it's still an open issue, Clarke responded, "Well, they'll
say that until hell freezes over."
By June 2001, there still hadn't been a Cabinet-level meeting
on terrorism, even though U.S. intelligence was picking up an
unprecedented level of ominous chatter.
The CIA director warned the White House, Clarke points out.
"George Tenet was saying to the White House, saying to the
president - because he briefed him every morning - a major
al Qaeda attack is going to happen against the United States
somewhere in the world in the weeks and months ahead. He said
that in June, July, August."
Clarke says the last time the CIA had picked up a similar
level of chatter was in December, 1999, when Clarke was the
terrorism czar in the Clinton White House.
Clarke says Mr. Clinton ordered his Cabinet to go to battle
stations-- meaning, they went on high alert, holding meetings
nearly every day.
That, Clarke says, helped thwart a major attack on
Los Angeles International Airport, when an al Qaeda operative
was stopped at the border with Canada, driving a car full
of explosives.
Clarke harshly criticizes President Bush for not going to
battle stations when the CIA warned him of a comparable threat
in the months before Sept. 11: "He never thought it was
important enough for him to hold a meeting on the subject,
or for him to order his National Security Adviser to hold a
Cabinet-level meeting on the subject."
Finally, says Clarke, "The cabinet meeting I asked for right
after the inauguration took place-- one week prior to 9/11."
In that meeting, Clarke proposed a plan to bomb al Qaeda's
sanctuary in Afghanistan, and to kill bin Laden.
Does a person who works for the White House owe the
president his loyalty?
"Yes ... Up to a point. When the president starts doing
things that risk American lives, then loyalty to him has
to be put aside," says Clarke. "I think the way he has
responded to al Qaeda, both before 9/11 by doing nothing,
and by what he's done after 9/11 has made us less safe.
Absolutely."
"Osama bin Laden had been saying for years, 'America wants
to invade an Arab country and occupy it, an oil-rich Arab
country. He had been saying this. This is part of his
propaganda," adds Clarke.
"So what did we do after 9/11? We invade an oil-rich and
occupy an oil-rich Arab country which was doing nothing
to threaten us. In other words, we stepped right into
bin Laden's propaganda. And the result of that is that
al Qaeda and organizations like it, offshoots of it,
second-generation al Qaeda have been greatly strengthened."
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/03/19/60minutes/main607356.shtml
"The [Bush] administration has squandered the opportunity
to eliminate al Qaeda....A new al Qaeda has emerged and is
growing stronger, in part because of our own actions and
inactions. It is in many ways a tougher opponent than the
original threat we faced before September 11, and we are not
doing what is necessary to make America safe from that threat."
No one has more authority to make that claim than Richard Clarke,
the former counterterrorism czar for both Bill Clinton and
George W. Bush. The one person who knows more about Usama bin
Laden and al Qaeda than anyone else in this country, he has
devoted two decades of his professional life to combating
terrorism. Richard Clarke served seven presidents and worked
inside the White House for George H.W. Bush, Bill Clinton,
and George W. Bush until he resigned in March 2003.
Most disturbing of all are Clarke's revelations about the
Bush administration's lack of interest in al Qaeda prior
to September 11. From the moment the Bush team took office
and decided to retain Clarke in his post as the
counterterrorism czar, Clarke tried to persuade them to
take al Qaeda as seriously as had Bill Clinton. For months,
he was denied the opportunity even to make his case to Bush.
He encountered key officials who gave the impression that
they had never heard of al Qaeda; who focused incessantly
on Iraq; who even advocated long-discredited conspiracy
theories about Saddam's involvement in previous attacks
on the United States.
Mr. Clarke was a national security pro with no political
ax to grind. He is a registered Republican and served in
more Republican than Democratic administrations. When a man
like this documents that the Bush people ignored the threat
of real terrorists to go off on a fanciful war of acquisition
he must be taken seriously. "Against All Enemies" is another
log on an already blazing bonfire.
Coming from a man known as one of the hard-liners against
terrorists, Against All Enemies is both a powerful history
of our two-decades-long confrontation with terrorism and a
searing indictment of the current administration.
Against All Enemies
Hardcover: 320 pages
Publisher: Free Press; (March 22, 2004)
ISBN: 0743260244
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American Dynasty: Aristocracy, Fortune, and the Politics
of Deceit in the House of Bush by Kevin Phillips
Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them: A Fair and Balanced
Look at the Right by Al Franken
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User: "TonyZ2001"
Title: Re: And maybe they will given the dems and the weasels Re: Terrorists almost had Iraqi WMD	10 Jul 2004 11:39:45 AM

Jean, you can't have ot both ways.
In one thread you support those who agree with Saddam, then you try to turn
into Captian Vengence in this thread.
Make up your mind.
Tony
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User: "R. Foreman"
Title: Re: And maybe they will given the dems and the weasels Re: Terrorists almost had Iraqi WMD	10 Jul 2004 11:45:56 AM

(TonyZ2001) Spat the Words

Jean, you can't have ot both ways.

In one thread you support those who agree with Saddam, then you try to
turn into Captian Vengence in this thread.

Make up your mind.

Tony

That wasn't Jean who posted that, it was me. Captain Vengeance?
I like that.
Captain Vengeance.... Captain America with the Power Shield
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User: "Jean Guernon"
Title: Re: And maybe they will given the dems and the weasels Re: Terroristsalmost had Iraqi WMD	10 Jul 2004 09:15:15 PM

R. Foreman a �crit:

Jean Guernon <jguernon@globetrotter.net> Spat the Words

I am not talking about the potential use, I am taking about actual WMD
inventoried by the UN bit not destroyed. They were relocated. Does
anyone in his right mind believe Saddam destroyed them?

The real question is concerning how much of an imminent threat
was Iraq to the US? The Congress just completed investigation into
the CIA indicating they had lots of faulty intelligence, and Tenet
gave his report to Bush in late 2002 which indicated Iraq's
potential to develop these agents and outlined Iraq's probably
current capabilities, but never did that report state Iraq
posed an imminent threat to the US.

But it did, the prez was privy to info from Putin about Saddam. He
didn't say that much, but Putin himself did, along with his feeble
excuse not to support the actual implementation of the resolution even
if Russia's signature on 1441 goes against it. We know now that Saddam
planned terrorists attacks against the USA. And we know there were 25
laboratories ready just for that. WHo knows that they didn't produce the
anthrax used in 9-11, nothing says that Saddam didn't clean them out of
actual stuff before the invasion. We don't know. But it is very likely.
He had the capability with those.
http://www.michelnostradamus.org/anth-Irax_1.wmv
http://www.michelnostradamus.org/anth-Irax_2.wmv

So if Iraq did not pose an imminent threat to the US, why
are Bush and a large number of his minions on record dozens,
hundreds of times stating Iraq posed a serious, grievous, and
imminent threat to the US? The answer is because it was Bush's
plan from inauguration day to invade Iraq - it really didn't
matter what the CIA told him, he would use any information
they gave him to spin it into an argument for going to war.

Iraq did pose a threat.
The only argument going for war was the UN resolutions.

Quotes by Bush Officials concerning the 'imminent' Iraqi threat
http://www.americanprogress.org/site/pp.asp?c=biJRJ8OVF&b=24970

Who cares for these losers, they can kiss my *****.
Check serious link about the whitehouse, at http://www.whitehouse.gov

Cia chief denies stating Iraq posed an 'imminent threat'
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0206-01.htm

That is not what he said to the prez, is it.
BTW, please don't post commondreams ***** on this NG.
[snip total ***** by anti-US propaganda link]

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/03/19/60minutes/main607356.shtml

"The [Bush] administration has squandered the opportunity
to eliminate al Qaeda....A new al Qaeda has emerged and is
growing stronger, in part because of our own actions and
inactions. It is in many ways a tougher opponent than the
original threat we faced before September 11, and we are not
doing what is necessary to make America safe from that threat."

[snip more total *****]
Again total fantasy. An editorial by a total loser isn'T facts. Clark
can kiss my *****. He doesn't have a clue.
If Saddam had had a chance to act, and we doN't know the anthrax wasn't
his, but let's say a second time, then who would have been blamed for
the millions deaths he and his sons promised, BTW, for not acting, you
think?
But more importantly, if the UN hadn't acted, it would mean nothing
today, it would be chickenshit. Still needs to be cleaned out of its
chickenshit, but that is another matter.
Anyway, who do you believe, Clark, who gives a biased opinion, or Putin,
who states facts.
J.
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User: "Ceazer XII"
Title: Re: And maybe they will given the dems and the weasels Re: Terrorists almost had Iraqi WMD	11 Jul 2004 04:40:42 AM

We know now that Saddam
planned terrorists attacks against the USA.

This is merely a fanatical opinion of yours. Your evidence to support
this comment is flimsy(see below). And any *proof* to back up your
above statement is non-existant.

Anyway, who do you believe, Clark, who gives a biased opinion, or Putin,
who states facts.

J.

Putin is your evidence, your proof?! Bah, he tricked you, he lied to
you and America for his own agenda. But of course you cannot see this.
Fact: At the onset of the war, Putin declared to the world the
opposite of what you and the Russian prez say now. This makes him a
liar, does it not? Poof...there goes your proof. For as a known liar
cannot be used as reliable evidence to support your claims.
http://www.rferl.org/newsline/2003/03/1-RUS/rus-200303.asp
"President Vladimir Putin said on 20 March(2003) that Washington has
made a big political mistake...He added that Iraq poses NO DANGER to
the international community(ie:no danger to the USA)"
http://www.rferl.org/newsline/2003/03/1-RUS/rus-180303.asp
"Foreign Minister Igor Ivanov said the same day that Iraq "poses no
threat to global security" and therefore "there are no grounds for the
use of force.""
Putin gave Bush a big fat lie, when he said that Iraq was going to
make terrorist attacks against the USA.
Why? I'll tell you some of the possible reasons why:
1)Now that Saddam has lost the war: to reverse the Bush
administrations anger towards Russia, and THUS FOR RUSSIA TO INCREASE
IT'S CHANCES OF NOT BEING EXCLUDED FROM AN ECONOMIC FUTURE AND
BUSINESS IN IRAQ!!
2)a thankyou gift for Bush not having interfered in Putin's war
against Chechnya/his war against the freedom of the press(Putin has
put an end to free press)/and for not interfering against his criminal
war against the oligarchy.
3)It's also an attempt to deflate anti-Americanism among the Russian
population.
Communists and extreme nationalist parties are popular enough in
Russia as it stands, they have consistently in the past been reaping
over a third of the votes. While Bush keeps doing things that could
only make the extremists over there stronger(increasing their chances
of one day coming to power), Putin on the otherhand uses his
popularity and is intelligently doing and saying things that suck the
wind out of the extremists sails. Putin's latest invention was a
stroke of genious(ie: he basically suggested to the Russians that the
US was justified in attacking Iraq so Russians could calm down and not
be as angry and hateful at the US). If I was so inclined to search
back on the Russian news archives I could show you evidence that Putin
has been very vocal against anti-Americanism, showing that he must
consider it as a major threat to the future of his country. Putin and
his administration go way further by even having been deafeningly
silent on issues that would have provoked big time anti-american
sentiment in his country if the state controlled media and the
Presidential administradation didn't keep so quite and pacifistic
about them. Issues which have long been considered dangerous threats
to Russia's national security by previous Russian presidents, Russian
intelligence agencies, politicians, and the media--before Putin
clamped down on it's freedom--(the issues: NATO expansion to Russia's
borders, and the USA building of a Star Wars defense system).
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User: "Jean Guernon"
Title: Re: And maybe they will given the dems and the weasels Re: Terroristsalmost had Iraqi WMD	11 Jul 2004 12:06:06 PM

Hahaha Radio Free Europe. So you take a totally biased propaganda link
to support your claim agasint all the major media.
What a loser you are.
Doesn't change THE truth.
J.
Ceazer XII a �crit:

We know now that Saddam
planned terrorists attacks against the USA.

This is merely a fanatical opinion of yours. Your evidence to support
this comment is flimsy(see below). And any *proof* to back up your
above statement is non-existant.

Anyway, who do you believe, Clark, who gives a biased opinion, or Putin,
who states facts.

J.

Putin is your evidence, your proof?! Bah, he tricked you, he lied to
you and America for his own agenda. But of course you cannot see this.

Fact: At the onset of the war, Putin declared to the world the
opposite of what you and the Russian prez say now. This makes him a
liar, does it not? Poof...there goes your proof. For as a known liar
cannot be used as reliable evidence to support your claims.

http://www.rferl.org/newsline/2003/03/1-RUS/rus-200303.asp
"President Vladimir Putin said on 20 March(2003) that Washington has
made a big political mistake...He added that Iraq poses NO DANGER to
the international community(ie:no danger to the USA)"

http://www.rferl.org/newsline/2003/03/1-RUS/rus-180303.asp
"Foreign Minister Igor Ivanov said the same day that Iraq "poses no
threat to global security" and therefore "there are no grounds for the
use of force.""

Putin gave Bush a big fat lie, when he said that Iraq was going to
make terrorist attacks against the USA.
Why? I'll tell you some of the possible reasons why:

1)Now that Saddam has lost the war: to reverse the Bush
administrations anger towards Russia, and THUS FOR RUSSIA TO INCREASE
IT'S CHANCES OF NOT BEING EXCLUDED FROM AN ECONOMIC FUTURE AND
BUSINESS IN IRAQ!!
2)a thankyou gift for Bush not having interfered in Putin's war
against Chechnya/his war against the freedom of the press(Putin has
put an end to free press)/and for not interfering against his criminal
war against the oligarchy.
3)It's also an attempt to deflate anti-Americanism among the Russian
population.
Communists and extreme nationalist parties are popular enough in
Russia as it stands, they have consistently in the past been reaping
over a third of the votes. While Bush keeps doing things that could
only make the extremists over there stronger(increasing their chances
of one day coming to power), Putin on the otherhand uses his
popularity and is intelligently doing and saying things that suck the
wind out of the extremists sails. Putin's latest invention was a
stroke of genious(ie: he basically suggested to the Russians that the
US was justified in attacking Iraq so Russians could calm down and not
be as angry and hateful at the US). If I was so inclined to search
back on the Russian news archives I could show you evidence that Putin
has been very vocal against anti-Americanism, showing that he must
consider it as a major threat to the future of his country. Putin and
his administration go way further by even having been deafeningly
silent on issues that would have provoked big time anti-american
sentiment in his country if the state controlled media and the
Presidential administradation didn't keep so quite and pacifistic
about them. Issues which have long been considered dangerous threats
to Russia's national security by previous Russian presidents, Russian
intelligence agencies, politicians, and the media--before Putin
clamped down on it's freedom--(the issues: NATO expansion to Russia's
borders, and the USA building of a Star Wars defense system).

User: "Ceazer XII"
Title: Re: And maybe they will given the dems and the weasels Re: Terrorists almost had Iraqi WMD	11 Jul 2004 10:29:45 PM

Jean Guernon <jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote in message news:<2seIc.491037$ef4.57249@news.easynews.com>...

Hahaha Radio Free Europe. So you take a totally biased propaganda link
to support your claim agasint all the major media.

What a loser you are.

Doesn't change THE truth.
Hahaha Radio Free Europe. So you take a totally biased propaganda

link

to support your claim agasint all the major media.

What a loser you are.

Doesn't change THE truth.

Wow, you got me there. NOT!!!!!!!!!
All you did here is utterly show your ignorance.
Radio Free Europe was created and is funded by the US Congress.
You could not provide one single shred of evidence to support
your ludicrious claim that the RFE is an anti-American source. You
lose.
Perhaps you thought that the Radio Free Europe article came *After*
Putin
declared Iraq as a threat to the USA? Wrong, that article is 16 months
old,
and thus plain to anyone else that it did NOT go "against all the
major media."
All the major media briefly quoted Putin's page long speech denouncing
America's actions:
FROM "CNN"
http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/europe/03/20/sprj.irq.russia.reaction/
....Interfax news agency, reporting from the meeting, quoted the
(Russian) president as saying "Iraq posed no threat at the time the
operation began."
from Reuters and a South Florida Television news station-
http://www.nbc6.net/news/2053654/detail.html
Russia's Putin Slams U.S. Over War In Iraq...POSTED: 3:35 p.m. EST
March 20, 2003..."Iraq" he(Putin) said, "has presented no danger,
neither to its neighbors, nor to countries in the region or throughout
the world."
From AFP and a Russian news source-
http://www.cdi.org/russia/249-1.cfm
Russia's Putin calls on US to end Iraq war
March 20, 2003 (AFP) Russian President Vladimir Putin called Thursday
on the United States to stop its war against Iraq and rejected US
claims that President Saddam Hussein's regime posed a danger to other
countries."
From Reuters-
http://www.globalpolicy.org/security/issues/iraq/attack/statement/2003/0320putinturns.htm
(Reuters) March 20, 2003 Russian President Vladimir Putin, in some of
the harshest words by a world leader so far over the U.S. attack on
Iraq on Thursday, said the war was unjustified and must end
quickly..."Iraq has presented no danger, neither for neighbouring
countries nor for any region in the world," Putin declared, in a flat
contradiction of Washington's view. In fact, he said, there had been
signs that Iraq had begun to cooperate far more with the U.N. arms
inspectors.
From Fox news -
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,81645,00.html
....Putin said. "This military action cannot be justified."
From Radio Free Europe -
http://www.rferl.org/newsline/2003/03/1-RUS/rus-200303.asp
"President Vladimir Putin said on 20 March(2003) that Washington has
made a big political mistake...He added that Iraq poses NO DANGER to
the international community"
http://www.rferl.org/newsline/2003/03/1-RUS/rus-180303.asp
"Foreign Minister Igor Ivanov said the same day that Iraq "poses no
threat to global security" and therefore "there are no grounds for the
use of force."
You have no ground to stand on.

J.

Ceazer XII a �crit:

We know now that Saddam
planned terrorists attacks against the USA.

This is merely a fanatical opinion of yours. Your evidence to support
this comment is flimsy(see below). And any *proof* to back up your
above statement is non-existant.

Anyway, who do you believe, Clark, who gives a biased opinion, or Putin,
who states facts.

J.

Putin is your evidence, your proof?! Bah, he tricked you, he lied to
you and America for his own agenda. But of course you cannot see this.

Fact: At the onset of the war, Putin declared to the world the
opposite of what you and the Russian prez say now. This makes him a
liar, does it not? Poof...there goes your proof. For as a known liar
cannot be used as reliable evidence to support your claims.

http://www.rferl.org/newsline/2003/03/1-RUS/rus-200303.asp
"President Vladimir Putin said on 20 March(2003) that Washington has
made a big political mistake...He added that Iraq poses NO DANGER to
the international community(ie:no danger to the USA)"

http://www.rferl.org/newsline/2003/03/1-RUS/rus-180303.asp
"Foreign Minister Igor Ivanov said the same day that Iraq "poses no
threat to global security" and therefore "there are no grounds for the
use of force.""

Putin gave Bush a big fat lie, when he said that Iraq was going to
make terrorist attacks against the USA.
Why? I'll tell you some of the possible reasons why:

1)Now that Saddam has lost the war: to reverse the Bush
administrations anger towards Russia, and THUS FOR RUSSIA TO INCREASE
IT'S CHANCES OF NOT BEING EXCLUDED FROM AN ECONOMIC FUTURE AND
BUSINESS IN IRAQ!!
2)a thankyou gift for Bush not having interfered in Putin's war
against Chechnya/his war against the freedom of the press(Putin has
put an end to free press)/and for not interfering against his criminal
war against the oligarchy.
3)It's also an attempt to deflate anti-Americanism among the Russian
population.
Communists and extreme nationalist parties are popular enough in
Russia as it stands, they have consistently in the past been reaping
over a third of the votes. While Bush keeps doing things that could
only make the extremists over there stronger(increasing their chances
of one day coming to power), Putin on the otherhand uses his
popularity and is intelligently doing and saying things that suck the
wind out of the extremists sails. Putin's latest invention was a
stroke of genious(ie: he basically suggested to the Russians that the
US was justified in attacking Iraq so Russians could calm down and not
be as angry and hateful at the US). If I was so inclined to search
back on the Russian news archives I could show you evidence that Putin
has been very vocal against anti-Americanism, showing that he must
consider it as a major threat to the future of his country. Putin and
his administration go way further by even having been deafeningly
silent on issues that would have provoked big time anti-american
sentiment in his country if the state controlled media and the
Presidential administradation didn't keep so quite and pacifistic
about them. Issues which have long been considered dangerous threats
to Russia's national security by previous Russian presidents, Russian
intelligence agencies, politicians, and the media--before Putin
clamped down on it's freedom--(the issues: NATO expansion to Russia's
borders, and the USA building of a Star Wars defense system).

User: "Jean Guernon"
Title: Re: And maybe they will given the dems and the weasels Re: Terroristsalmost had Iraqi WMD	11 Jul 2004 11:03:19 PM

Ceazer XII a �crit:

Jean Guernon <jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote in message news:<2seIc.491037$ef4.57249@news.easynews.com>...

Hahaha Radio Free Europe. So you take a totally biased propaganda link
to support your claim agasint all the major media.

What a loser you are.

Doesn't change THE truth.

Hahaha Radio Free Europe. So you take a totally biased propaganda

link

to support your claim agasint all the major media.

What a loser you are.

Doesn't change THE truth.

Sorry I thought it was some free radio that mushroom everywhere (radio
libre) but are not sponsored by anyone.
Well thern this is the real news:
http://www.rferl.org/features/features_Article.aspx?m=06&y=2004&id=08BAA11C-6067-453A-B452-B961234F792A
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Putin Says Russia Warned U.S. About Potential Iraqi Attacks
President Putin
18 June 2004 -- Russian President Vladimir Putin said today in Astana
that, before the U.S.-led war in Iraq, Moscow had warned Washington that
Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein was planning terrorist attacks against the
United States.
18 June 2004 -- Russian President Vladimir Putin said today in Astana
that, before the U.S.-led war in Iraq, Moscow had warned Washington that
Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein was planning terrorist attacks against the
United States.
Putin said Russian special services received such information on several
occasions and "passed it on to their American colleagues."
But Putin said Russian intelligence did not have any information that
Hussein's regime had actually been behind any attacks. Putin said the
information did not change Russia's firm opposition to the war in Iraq.
He was speaking in the Kazakh capital, Astana, on the sidelines of
regional meetings. Putin's comments came as U.S. President George W.
Bush reiterated that Hussein had ties with terrorist organizations,
which was one of his administration's justifications for the war.
(ITAR-TASS-Ru/Reuters/AP)
------------------------------------------------------------------------
There. Happy?
that lesserr losers pretends otehrwise doesn't change any of tht. If
Putin comes back and says he was wrong, then we shal;l see. But you can
dream on.
J.
J.
.

User: "Ceazer XII"
Title: Re: And maybe they will given the dems and the weasels Re: Terrorists almost had Iraqi WMD	12 Jul 2004 02:33:36 PM

Sorry I thought it was some free radio that mushroom everywhere (radio
libre) but are not sponsored by anyone.

Well thern this is the real news:

http://www.rferl.org/features/features_Article.aspx?m=06&y=2004&id=08BAA11C-6067-453A-B452-B961234F792A

------------------------------------------------------------------------
Putin Says Russia Warned U.S. About Potential Iraqi Attacks
President Putin
18 June 2004 -- Russian President Vladimir Putin said today in Astana
that, before the U.S.-led war in Iraq, Moscow had warned Washington that
Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein was planning terrorist attacks against the
United States.

18 June 2004 -- Russian President Vladimir Putin said today in Astana
that, before the U.S.-led war in Iraq, Moscow had warned Washington that
Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein was planning terrorist attacks against the
United States.

Putin said Russian special services received such information on several
occasions and "passed it on to their American colleagues."

But Putin said Russian intelligence did not have any information that
Hussein's regime had actually been behind any attacks. Putin said the
information did not change Russia's firm opposition to the war in Iraq.

He was speaking in the Kazakh capital, Astana, on the sidelines of
regional meetings. Putin's comments came as U.S. President George W.
Bush reiterated that Hussein had ties with terrorist organizations,
which was one of his administration's justifications for the war.

(ITAR-TASS-Ru/Reuters/AP)
------------------------------------------------------------------------

There. Happy?

that lesserr losers pretends otehrwise doesn't change any of tht. If
Putin comes back and says he was wrong, then we shal;l see. But you can
dream on.

J.

J.

Putin fooled you for his own agenda, get it? apparently not.
.

User: "Jean Guernon"
Title: Re: And maybe they will given the dems and the weasels Re: Terroristsalmost had Iraqi WMD	12 Jul 2004 04:42:34 PM

Ceazer XII a �crit:

Sorry I thought it was some free radio that mushroom everywhere (radio
libre) but are not sponsored by anyone.

Well thern this is the real news:

http://www.rferl.org/features/features_Article.aspx?m=06&y=2004&id=08BAA11C-6067-453A-B452-B961234F792A

------------------------------------------------------------------------
Putin Says Russia Warned U.S. About Potential Iraqi Attacks
President Putin
18 June 2004 -- Russian President Vladimir Putin said today in Astana
that, before the U.S.-led war in Iraq, Moscow had warned Washington that
Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein was planning terrorist attacks against the
United States.

18 June 2004 -- Russian President Vladimir Putin said today in Astana
that, before the U.S.-led war in Iraq, Moscow had warned Washington that
Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein was planning terrorist attacks against the
United States.

Putin said Russian special services received such information on several
occasions and "passed it on to their American colleagues."

But Putin said Russian intelligence did not have any information that
Hussein's regime had actually been behind any attacks. Putin said the
information did not change Russia's firm opposition to the war in Iraq.

He was speaking in the Kazakh capital, Astana, on the sidelines of
regional meetings. Putin's comments came as U.S. President George W.
Bush reiterated that Hussein had ties with terrorist organizations,
which was one of his administration's justifications for the war.

(ITAR-TASS-Ru/Reuters/AP)
------------------------------------------------------------------------

There. Happy?

that lesser losers pretends otherwise doesn't change any of that. If
Putin comes back and says he was wrong, then we shall see. But you can
dream on.

J.

Putin fooled you for his own agenda, get it? apparently not.

No, I am certain that Saddam was preparing terrorist attacks of his own.
The Russians have always been privy to what Saddam had in mind, they
were his military counselors. That Putin comes out now shows only one
thing, that Saddam is not about to get out on a technicality and come
back to haunt them. But I am sure that Putin doesn't lie.
The prez, before the war, was warned about Saddam. He was not, for the
same reason (the protection of Putin from a free Saddam), going to give
up this source. Putin was very courageous to be straightforward about
this when the time was right, even if it was. I admire him.
J.
.

User: "Cuan"
Title: Re: And maybe they will given the dems and the weasels Re: Terrorists almost had Iraqi WMD	14 Jul 2004 01:39:42 AM

On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 21:42:34 GMT, Jean Guernon
<jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote:

Ceazer XII a �crit:

Sorry I thought it was some free radio that mushroom everywhere (radio
libre) but are not sponsored by anyone.

Well thern this is the real news:

http://www.rferl.org/features/features_Article.aspx?m=06&y=2004&id=08BAA11C-6067-453A-B452-B961234F792A

------------------------------------------------------------------------
Putin Says Russia Warned U.S. About Potential Iraqi Attacks
President Putin
18 June 2004 -- Russian President Vladimir Putin said today in Astana
that, before the U.S.-led war in Iraq, Moscow had warned Washington that
Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein was planning terrorist attacks against the
United States.

18 June 2004 -- Russian President Vladimir Putin said today in Astana
that, before the U.S.-led war in Iraq, Moscow had warned Washington that
Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein was planning terrorist attacks against the
United States.

Putin said Russian special services received such information on several
occasions and "passed it on to their American colleagues."

But Putin said Russian intelligence did not have any information that
Hussein's regime had actually been behind any attacks. Putin said the
information did not change Russia's firm opposition to the war in Iraq.

He was speaking in the Kazakh capital, Astana, on the sidelines of
regional meetings. Putin's comments came as U.S. President George W.
Bush reiterated that Hussein had ties with terrorist organizations,
which was one of his administration's justifications for the war.

(ITAR-TASS-Ru/Reuters/AP)
------------------------------------------------------------------------

There. Happy?

that lesser losers pretends otherwise doesn't change any of that. If
Putin comes back and says he was wrong, then we shall see. But you can
dream on.

J.

Putin fooled you for his own agenda, get it? apparently not.

Like the CIA doesn't lie? You do realise who Vladimir Putin was in
the old Soviet Union, don't you? Look it up.

The prez, before the war, was warned about Saddam. He was not, for the
same reason (the protection of Putin from a free Saddam), going to give
up this source. Putin was very courageous to be straightforward about
this when the time was right, even if it was. I admire him.

old enemies - new allies. a touching story, Jean. you might actually
make some money off that romance novel.
.

User: "tw"
Title: Re: And maybe they will given the dems and the weasels Re: Terrorists almost had Iraqi WMD	14 Jul 2004 08:25:58 AM

"Cuan" <an@nymous.co.za> wrote in message
news:v1l9f09k9eiudelvi41tivmmkqfjtmdqh6@4ax.com...

On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 21:42:34 GMT, Jean Guernon
<jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote:

Ceazer XII a �crit:

Sorry I thought it was some free radio that mushroom everywhere (radio
libre) but are not sponsored by anyone.

Well thern this is the real news:

http://www.rferl.org/features/features_Article.aspx?m=06&y=2004&id=08BAA1

1C-6067-453A-B452-B961234F792A

------------------------------------------------------------------------

Putin Says Russia Warned U.S. About Potential Iraqi Attacks
President Putin
18 June 2004 -- Russian President Vladimir Putin said today in Astana
that, before the U.S.-led war in Iraq, Moscow had warned Washington

that

Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein was planning terrorist attacks against the
United States.

18 June 2004 -- Russian President Vladimir Putin said today in Astana
that, before the U.S.-led war in Iraq, Moscow had warned Washington

that

Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein was planning terrorist attacks against the
United States.

Putin said Russian special services received such information on

several

occasions and "passed it on to their American colleagues."

But Putin said Russian intelligence did not have any information that
Hussein's regime had actually been behind any attacks. Putin said the
information did not change Russia's firm opposition to the war in Iraq.

He was speaking in the Kazakh capital, Astana, on the sidelines of
regional meetings. Putin's comments came as U.S. President George W.
Bush reiterated that Hussein had ties with terrorist organizations,
which was one of his administration's justifications for the war.

(ITAR-TASS-Ru/Reuters/AP)

------------------------------------------------------------------------

There. Happy?

that lesser losers pretends otherwise doesn't change any of that. If
Putin comes back and says he was wrong, then we shall see. But you can
dream on.

J.

Putin fooled you for his own agenda, get it? apparently not.

Like the CIA doesn't lie? You do realise who Vladimir Putin was in
the old Soviet Union, don't you? Look it up.

old enemies - new allies. a touching story, Jean. you might actually
make some money off that romance novel.

...and it would be more believable than that Nostradaums rubbish he peddles.
.

User: "Cuan"
Title: Re: And maybe they will given the dems and the weasels Re: Terrorists almost had Iraqi WMD	15 Jul 2004 07:32:14 AM

On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 15:25:58 +0200, "tw" <no@no.com> wrote:

"Cuan" <an@nymous.co.za> wrote in message
news:v1l9f09k9eiudelvi41tivmmkqfjtmdqh6@4ax.com...

On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 21:42:34 GMT, Jean Guernon
<jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote:

Ceazer XII a �crit:

Sorry I thought it was some free radio that mushroom everywhere (radio
libre) but are not sponsored by anyone.

Well thern this is the real news:

http://www.rferl.org/features/features_Article.aspx?m=06&y=2004&id=08BAA1

1C-6067-453A-B452-B961234F792A

------------------------------------------------------------------------

that

Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein was planning terrorist attacks against the
United States.

Putin said Russian special services received such information on

several

------------------------------------------------------------------------

There. Happy?

that lesser losers pretends otherwise doesn't change any of that. If
Putin comes back and says he was wrong, then we shall see. But you can
dream on.

J.

Putin fooled you for his own agenda, get it? apparently not.

Like the CIA doesn't lie? You do realise who Vladimir Putin was in
the old Soviet Union, don't you? Look it up.

old enemies - new allies. a touching story, Jean. you might actually
make some money off that romance novel.

..and it would be more believable than that Nostradaums rubbish he peddles.

a best seller for sure.
.

User: "Jean Guernon"
Title: Re: And maybe they will given the dems and the weasels Re: Terroristsalmost had Iraqi WMD	15 Jul 2004 11:27:00 AM

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Cuan a �crit:

On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 15:25:58 +0200, "tw" <no@no.com> wrote:

"Cuan" <an@nymous.co.za> wrote in message
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On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 21:42:34 GMT, Jean Guernon
<jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote:

Ceazer XII a �crit:

Sorry I thought it was some free radio that mushroom everywhere (radio
libre) but are not sponsored by anyone.

Well thern this is the real news:

http://www.rferl.org/features/features_Article.aspx?m=06&y=2004&id=08BAA1

1C-6067-453A-B452-B961234F792A

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that

Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein was planning terrorist attacks against the
United States.

Putin said Russian special services received such information on

several

------------------------------------------------------------------------

There. Happy?

that lesser losers pretends otherwise doesn't change any of that. If
Putin comes back and says he was wrong, then we shall see. But you can
dream on.

J.

Putin fooled you for his own agenda, get it? apparently not.

Like the CIA doesn't lie? You do realise who Vladimir Putin was in
the old Soviet Union, don't you? Look it up.

old enemies - new allies. a touching story, Jean. you might actually
make some money off that romance novel.

..and it would be more believable than that Nostradaums rubbish he peddles.

a best seller for sure.

For sure. ;-)
Besides, this is a NG about the Seer. You two butt buddies who bash the
Seer have no legitimacy here.
J.
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<pre wrap="">"Cuan" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:an@nymous.co.za"><an@nymous.co.za></a> wrote in message
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<pre wrap="">On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 21:42:34 GMT, Jean Guernon
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<pre wrap="">Sorry I thought it was some free radio that mushroom everywhere (radio
libre) but are not sponsored by anyone.
Well thern this is the real news:
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<pre wrap="">Putin Says Russia Warned U.S. About Potential Iraqi Attacks
President Putin
18 June 2004 -- Russian President Vladimir Putin said today in Astana
that, before the U.S.-led war in Iraq, Moscow had warned Washington
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<pre wrap="">Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein was planning terrorist attacks against the
United States.
18 June 2004 -- Russian President Vladimir Putin said today in Astana
that, before the U.S.-led war in Iraq, Moscow had warned Washington
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Putin said Russian special services received such information on
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But Putin said Russian intelligence did not have any information that
Hussein's regime had actually been behind any attacks. Putin said the
information did not change Russia's firm opposition to the war in Iraq.
He was speaking in the Kazakh capital, Astana, on the sidelines of
regional meetings. Putin's comments came as U.S. President George W.
Bush reiterated that Hussein had ties with terrorist organizations,
which was one of his administration's justifications for the war.
(ITAR-TASS-Ru/Reuters/AP)
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<pre wrap="">There. Happy?
that lesser losers pretends otherwise doesn't change any of that. If
Putin comes back and says he was wrong, then we shall see. But you can
dream on.
J.
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<pre wrap="">Putin fooled you for his own agenda, get it? apparently not.
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">No, I am certain that Saddam was preparing terrorist attacks of his own.
The Russians have always been privy to what Saddam had in mind, they
were his military counselors. That Putin comes out now shows only one
thing, that Saddam is not about to get out on a technicality and come
back to haunt them. But I am sure that Putin doesn't lie.
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">Like the CIA doesn't lie? You do realise who Vladimir Putin was in
the old Soviet Union, don't you? Look it up.
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">The prez, before the war, was warned about Saddam. He was not, for the
same reason (the protection of Putin from a free Saddam), going to give
up this source. Putin was very courageous to be straightforward about
this when the time was right, even if it was. I admire him.
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">old enemies - new allies. a touching story, Jean. you might actually
make some money off that romance novel.
</pre>
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<pre wrap="">..and it would be more believable than that Nostradaums rubbish he peddles.
</pre>
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<pre wrap="">
a best seller for sure.</pre>
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For sure. ;-) 
 
Besides, this is a NG about the Seer. You two butt buddies who bash the
Seer have no legitimacy here. 
 
J. 
 
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User: "Jean Guernon"
Title: Re: And maybe they will given the dems and the weasels Re: Terroristsalmost had Iraqi WMD	15 Jul 2004 11:25:03 AM

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Cuan a �crit:

On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 21:42:34 GMT, Jean Guernon
<jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote:

Ceazer XII a �crit:

Sorry I thought it was some free radio that mushroom everywhere (radio
libre) but are not sponsored by anyone.

Well thern this is the real news:

http://www.rferl.org/features/features_Article.aspx?m=06&y=2004&id=08BAA11C-6067-453A-B452-B961234F792A

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Putin Says Russia Warned U.S. About Potential Iraqi Attacks
President Putin
18 June 2004 -- Russian President Vladimir Putin said today in Astana
that, before the U.S.-led war in Iraq, Moscow had warned Washington that
Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein was planning terrorist attacks against the
United States.

18 June 2004 -- Russian President Vladimir Putin said today in Astana
that, before the U.S.-led war in Iraq, Moscow had warned Washington that
Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein was planning terrorist attacks against the
United States.

Putin said Russian special services received such information on several
occasions and "passed it on to their American colleagues."

But Putin said Russian intelligence did not have any information that
Hussein's regime had actually been behind any attacks. Putin said the
information did not change Russia's firm opposition to the war in Iraq.

He was speaking in the Kazakh capital, Astana, on the sidelines of
regional meetings. Putin's comments came as U.S. President George W.
Bush reiterated that Hussein had ties with terrorist organizations,
which was one of his administration's justifications for the war.

(ITAR-TASS-Ru/Reuters/AP)
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There. Happy?

that lesser losers pretends otherwise doesn't change any of that. If
Putin comes back and says he was wrong, then we shall see. But you can
dream on.

J.

Putin fooled you for his own agenda, get it? apparently not.

Like the CIA doesn't lie? You do realise who Vladimir Putin was in
the old Soviet Union, don't you? Look it up.

Of course, who doesn't. So? Intelligence background in leadership shows
knowledge. Not the opposite. The fact that the despicable communist
ideology is gone makes the new KGB as reliable as any other Intelligence
service, except those still biased from remaining communist countries of
course.

old enemies - new allies. a touching story, Jean. you might actually
make some money off that romance novel.

Well, since Nostradamus predicted that the two great would be reunited,
you might infer that... LOL ;-)
J.
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Cuan a écrit: 
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<pre wrap="">On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 21:42:34 GMT, Jean Guernon
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:jguernon@globetrotter.net"><jguernon@globetrotter.net></a> wrote:
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<pre wrap="">
Ceazer XII a écrit:
</pre>
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<pre wrap="">Sorry I thought it was some free radio that mushroom everywhere (radio
libre) but are not sponsored by anyone.
Well thern this is the real news:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.rferl.org/features/features_Article.aspx?m=06&y=2004&id=08BAA11C-6067-453A-B452-B961234F792A">http://www.rferl.org/features/features_Article.aspx?m=06&y=2004&id=08BAA11C-6067-453A-B452-B961234F792A</a>
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Putin Says Russia Warned U.S. About Potential Iraqi Attacks
President Putin
18 June 2004 -- Russian President Vladimir Putin said today in Astana
that, before the U.S.-led war in Iraq, Moscow had warned Washington that
Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein was planning terrorist attacks against the
United States.
18 June 2004 -- Russian President Vladimir Putin said today in Astana
that, before the U.S.-led war in Iraq, Moscow had warned Washington that
Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein was planning terrorist attacks against the
United States.
Putin said Russian special services received such information on several
occasions and "passed it on to their American colleagues."
But Putin said Russian intelligence did not have any information that
Hussein's regime had actually been behind any attacks. Putin said the
information did not change Russia's firm opposition to the war in Iraq.
He was speaking in the Kazakh capital, Astana, on the sidelines of
regional meetings. Putin's comments came as U.S. President George W.
Bush reiterated that Hussein had ties with terrorist organizations,
which was one of his administration's justifications for the war.
(ITAR-TASS-Ru/Reuters/AP)
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There. Happy?
that lesser losers pretends otherwise doesn't change any of that. If
Putin comes back and says he was wrong, then we shall see. But you can
dream on.
J.
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<pre wrap="">Putin fooled you for his own agenda, get it? apparently not.
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">No, I am certain that Saddam was preparing terrorist attacks of his own.
The Russians have always been privy to what Saddam had in mind, they
were his military counselors. That Putin comes out now shows only one
thing, that Saddam is not about to get out on a technicality and come
back to haunt them. But I am sure that Putin doesn't lie.
</pre>
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<pre wrap="">
Like the CIA doesn't lie? You do realise who Vladimir Putin was in
the old Soviet Union, don't you? Look it up.</pre>
</blockquote>
 
Of course, who doesn't. So? Intelligence background in leadership shows
knowledge. Not the opposite. The fact that the despicable communist
ideology is gone makes the new KGB as reliable as any other
Intelligence service, except those still biased from remaining
communist countries of course. 
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cite="midv1l9f09k9eiudelvi41tivmmkqfjtmdqh6@4ax.com">
<pre wrap="">
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<pre wrap="">The prez, before the war, was warned about Saddam. He was not, for the
same reason (the protection of Putin from a free Saddam), going to give
up this source. Putin was very courageous to be straightforward about
this when the time was right, even if it was. I admire him.
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">
old enemies - new allies. a touching story, Jean. you might actually
make some money off that romance novel.
</pre>
</blockquote>
Well, since Nostradamus predicted that the two great would be reunited,
you might infer that... LOL ;-) 
 
J. 
 
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User: "Cuan"
Title: Re: And maybe they will given the dems and the weasels Re: Terrorists almost had Iraqi WMD	13 Jul 2004 01:24:53 AM

On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 04:03:19 GMT, Jean Guernon
<jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote:

Sorry I thought it was some free radio that mushroom everywhere (radio
libre) but are not sponsored by anyone.

Well thern this is the real news:

http://www.rferl.org/features/features_Article.aspx?m=06&y=2004&id=08BAA11C-6067-453A-B452-B961234F792A

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Putin Says Russia Warned U.S. About Potential Iraqi Attacks
President Putin
18 June 2004 -- Russian President Vladimir Putin said today in Astana
that, before the U.S.-led war in Iraq, Moscow had warned Washington that
Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein was planning terrorist attacks against the
United States.

18 June 2004 -- Russian President Vladimir Putin said today in Astana
that, before the U.S.-led war in Iraq, Moscow had warned Washington that
Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein was planning terrorist attacks against the
United States.

Putin said Russian special services received such information on several
occasions and "passed it on to their American colleagues."

But Putin said Russian intelligence did not have any information that
Hussein's regime had actually been behind any attacks. Putin said the
information did not change Russia's firm opposition to the war in Iraq.

He was speaking in the Kazakh capital, Astana, on the sidelines of
regional meetings. Putin's comments came as U.S. President George W.
Bush reiterated that Hussein had ties with terrorist organizations,
which was one of his administration's justifications for the war.

(ITAR-TASS-Ru/Reuters/AP)
------------------------------------------------------------------------

There. Happy?

that lesserr losers pretends otehrwise doesn't change any of tht. If
Putin comes back and says he was wrong, then we shal;l see. But you can
dream on.

you know, Jean - I wish you were on TV. At least then I could switch
you off!
.

User: "Jean Guernon"
Title: Re: And maybe they will given the dems and the weasels Re: Terroristsalmost had Iraqi WMD	13 Jul 2004 07:01:26 PM

I wish you would stick to NG where you belong.
At least you wouldn't pollute prophecies NG with hate propaganda and
there would be less losers to debunk, and more time to discuss
prophecies. But no, you stick like glue trying to parasite all my old
posts. I wish there was some virtual pest control against vermins like
you. But what can you do...
J.
Cuan a �crit:

On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 04:03:19 GMT, Jean Guernon
<jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote:

Sorry I thought it was some free radio that mushroom everywhere (radio
libre) but are not sponsored by anyone.

Well thern this is the real news:

http://www.rferl.org/features/features_Article.aspx?m=06&y=2004&id=08BAA11C-6067-453A-B452-B961234F792A

------------------------------------------------------------------------
Putin Says Russia Warned U.S. About Potential Iraqi Attacks
President Putin
18 June 2004 -- Russian President Vladimir Putin said today in Astana
that, before the U.S.-led war in Iraq, Moscow had warned Washington that
Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein was planning terrorist attacks against the
United States.

18 June 2004 -- Russian President Vladimir Putin said today in Astana
that, before the U.S.-led war in Iraq, Moscow had warned Washington that
Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein was planning terrorist attacks against the
United States.

Putin said Russian special services received such information on several
occasions and "passed it on to their American colleagues."

But Putin said Russian intelligence did not have any information that
Hussein's regime had actually been behind any attacks. Putin said the
information did not change Russia's firm opposition to the war in Iraq.

He was speaking in the Kazakh capital, Astana, on the sidelines of
regional meetings. Putin's comments came as U.S. President George W.
Bush reiterated that Hussein had ties with terrorist organizations,
which was one of his administration's justifications for the war.

(ITAR-TASS-Ru/Reuters/AP)
------------------------------------------------------------------------

There. Happy?

that lesserr losers pretends otehrwise doesn't change any of tht. If
Putin comes back and says he was wrong, then we shal;l see. But you can
dream on.

you know, Jean - I wish you were on TV. At least then I could switch
you off!

User: "Cuan"
Title: Re: And maybe they will given the dems and the weasels Re: Terrorists almost had Iraqi WMD	14 Jul 2004 09:26:07 AM

On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 00:01:26 GMT, Jean Guernon
<jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote:

I wish you would stick to NG where you belong.

At least you wouldn't pollute prophecies NG with hate propaganda and
there would be less losers to debunk, and more time to discuss
prophecies. But no, you stick like glue trying to parasite all my old
posts. I wish there was some virtual pest control against vermins like
you. But what can you do...

J.

parasite your old posts? pray tell, refresh my memory please.
Besides, just who is spreading "hate propaganda"? I'm not running
around calling everyone who disagrees with me an anti-semitist. I'm
not wishing hellfire on the Palestinians, Moslems and Arabs in
general. Wakey wakey, Jean. It's you.

Cuan a �crit:

On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 04:03:19 GMT, Jean Guernon
<jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote:

Sorry I thought it was some free radio that mushroom everywhere (radio
libre) but are not sponsored by anyone.

Well thern this is the real news:

http://www.rferl.org/features/features_Article.aspx?m=06&y=2004&id=08BAA11C-6067-453A-B452-B961234F792A

------------------------------------------------------------------------
Putin Says Russia Warned U.S. About Potential Iraqi Attacks
President Putin
18 June 2004 -- Russian President Vladimir Putin said today in Astana
that, before the U.S.-led war in Iraq, Moscow had warned Washington that
Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein was planning terrorist attacks against the
United States.

18 June 2004 -- Russian President Vladimir Putin said today in Astana
that, before the U.S.-led war in Iraq, Moscow had warned Washington that
Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein was planning terrorist attacks against the
United States.

Putin said Russian special services received such information on several
occasions and "passed it on to their American colleagues."

But Putin said Russian intelligence did not have any information that
Hussein's regime had actually been behind any attacks. Putin said the
information did not change Russia's firm opposition to the war in Iraq.

He was speaking in the Kazakh capital, Astana, on the sidelines of
regional meetings. Putin's comments came as U.S. President George W.
Bush reiterated that Hussein had ties with terrorist organizations,
which was one of his administration's justifications for the war.

(ITAR-TASS-Ru/Reuters/AP)
------------------------------------------------------------------------

There. Happy?

that lesserr losers pretends otehrwise doesn't change any of tht. If
Putin comes back and says he was wrong, then we shal;l see. But you can
dream on.

you know, Jean - I wish you were on TV. At least then I could switch
you off!