Yes, just post a picture of Jesus taking a ***** and see how offensive it
will be to Christians.

came down. By the way... is there a religious term for someone who
doesn't *****.... just like there is a term for someone who doesn't *****...
Are there any verses in the Bible dealing with holy figures, prophets and
kings shitting?



Just a thought






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The Betrayal of Denmark (and of Us All)
From the desk of Paul Belien on Sun, 2006-02-12 21:14

A local newspaper in Jutland (ever heard of Jutland before?), a rural
area
of Denmark (one of Europe's smallest nations, with a language spoken by
barely 5 million people) published twelve drawings. Some were simple
portraits of a man with Arab features, some poked fun at the newspaper
itself, and barely a handful were caricatures of Muhammad, the prophet of
the Muslims - hardly offensive by Western standards.

It is true that the Western press has been grossly offensive to religious
people in the past, mocking their beliefs and morals, hurting their
feelings, insulting them. From the BBC to CNN, from The Guardian to The
New
York Times, the dominant media have never been squeamish about giving
offense.

Anyone who sees the twelve Danish pictures [see them here, halfway down
the
page] wonders what all the fuss is about. However, most people do not get
to
see them as they have been censored in the major information sources,
from
the BBC to CNN, from The Guardian to The New York Times. The drawings
were
so inoffensive that when they were originally published last September
there
was no outcry, not even in Egypt where they were republished in October.
Only when fanatical imams travelled from Denmark to Arabia, with
suitcases
containing three grossly offensive bogus cartoons which they had added to
the original twelve - and only when these imams told people that these
were
the offensive Danish cartoons, so offensive that no-one was allowed to
see
them - only then Islamic mobs went on a rampage. Four months after the
original drawings had been published in Jutland.

And they travelled to "Arabia" where-ever that is, AFTER Rasmussen
refused to talk to them...he told them in effect to *****-off.

Guess who immediately appeared on the scene, adding fuel to the fire by
explicitly confirming that the three bogus cartoons were the original
ones?
The BBC! And guess who is still refusing to show the world the twelve,
hardly offensive original drawings? The BBC! Meanwhile courageous local
journalists and publishers who had reprinted the cartoons to show that
they
were hardly offensive are lingering in jail in countries such as Jordania
and Yemen.

This weekend the cartoons returned from Arabia to Europe. Muslim
immigrants
staged protests in various European towns, from Berlin to London, to
Brussels, Amsterdam and Paris [where two brave men "trod on 1.5 billion
Muslims"], protesting against cartoons which over four months ago they
had
failed to notice. Last Saturday five hundred Muslims gathered on
Antwerp's
main square, in the shadow of the Cathedral of Our Lady and below the
statue
of Peter Paul Rubens, to turn to Mecca and pray. It was a peaceful
gathering
that had been called by the imams. After the meeting angry "youths" left
the
prayer meeting to terrorize the city with shouts of "Allah is great!" The
imams said that the youths' behaviour was not their responsibility, as
they
had called for "respect."

We do not recall any prayer meetings called by the imams on Antwerp's
main
square after 9/11, after the Madrid bombings, after the London bombings.

A very stupid thing to say! Comparing apples and oranges.

However, the Antwerp imams felt compelled to pray in public on Antwerp's
central square because... more than four months ago a paper in Jutland
had
published twelve drawings. What is the point of all this? None other,
surely, than to show the citizens of Antwerp that they are the boss now
in
Europe, while we are the intimidated natives, the dhimmis, the slaves.

Last Friday Jyllands-Posten [The Jutland Post], the paper that published
the
original drawings, ran a remarkable article "Man pisser på os" by Per
Nyholm, one of its journalists. Here it is, translated for you into
English
by one of our Danish readers. This is how the Danes feel today:

We are being pissed upon

I think it was the long departed H.C. Hansen, one of the great Danish
statesmen of the last century, who - as the communists were demonstrating
in
front of Christiansborg [the Danish Parliament] - cast his gaze across
the
palace square and remarked: "I will not be pissed upon."

Then he did what was necessary.

I feel that currently my beloved country is being pissed upon rather too
much. Denmark has not been neglecting its duties on the international
stage.
We have supported poor people with acts and advice, we have worked for
peace, we have sent soldiers, policemen and experts to all the far flung
corners of the world. We have democracy, a rule of law and a welfare
state.
Not all is perfect, but we harbor no malice towards our fellow men.

And yet Denmark is being pissed upon. The spokesman of the US State
Department is pissing on Denmark, the British Secretary of Foreign
Affairs
is pissing on Denmark, the President of Afghanistan is pissing on
Denmark,
the Government of Iraq is pissing on Denmark, other Muslim regimes are
pissing on Denmark. In Gaza, where Danes for years have provided
humanitarian aid, crazed Imams encourage people to cut off the hands and
heads of the cartoonists who made the drawings of Mohammed for the
Jyllands-Posten newspaper.

Excuse my choice of words, but all this pissing is pissing me off.

And then the worst pissing on Danes was by Jyllandsposten of course!
Seems the author of this joke forgot about that!

What is going on? I am not referring so much to the threats against
Danish
citizens and Danish commerce. Nor to the burnt down Embassies. I am
thinking
of a word that keeps popping up whenever the Mohammed cartoons are
mentioned.

That word is BUT. A sneaky word. It is used to deny or qualify what one
has
just said.

How many times lately have we not heard people of power, the Opinion
Makers
and others say that of course we have freedom of speech, BUT.

They have said it, all of them, from Kofi Annan, the UN Secretary
General,
to our own Bendt Bendtsen [a Danish Politician]. Once we had to be
sensitive
to the easily hurt feelings of the Nazis, then came the Communists, now
it
is the Islamists. The reason I say 'Islamists' is that I do not for a
moment
believe all the world's Muslims are pissing on us. I think we are dealing
with thugs, fools and misled people. Those are the ones we have to deal
with, and then the chickenshit politicians.

The cartoons are no longer something Jyllands-Posten can control. They
have
already been manipulated and misrepresented to the point that few know
what
is going on and fewer know how to stop it. This affair is artifically
being
kept buoyant in a sea of lies, suppressions of the truth, misconceptions,
lunacy and hypocrisy, for which this newspaper bears no blame. The only
thing Jyllands-Posten did was provide a pin-***** which has made a boil
of
nastiness erupt. This would have happened sooner or later. That it
happened
more than four months after the publication of the cartoons, raises a
question of its own. Are we dealing with random events or with a staged
clash of civilizations? One might hope for the former yet be prepared to
expect the latter.

That is why I say: Freedom of Speech is Freedom of Speech is Freedom of
Speech. There is no but.

Yes there is...it's called responsibility. If you want to use freedom
of speach then you'll have to be prepared to accept the consequences of
that freedom. Don't do the crime if you're not prepared to do the time!

Initially I was doubtful of the timeliness of publishing the cartoons.
Later
events have convinced me that it was both just and useful to do so. That
they are consistent with Danish law and Danish custom seem to me less
important than this: that we now know that remote, primitive countries
deem
themselves justified in telling us what to do. Unfortunately we must also
note that governments close to us are agreeing with them in the name of
expedience.

It was right and just for this newspaper to launch an offensive for
Freedom
of Speech, and useful, as we have now acquired new knowledge. Welcome to
a
brave new world where even our Prime Minister - in spite of his laudable
firmness - must gaze out upon a scorched political landscape. True, his
friend in Washington, George Bush, has uttered the customary condemnation
of
the torching of our embassies, but his State Department alludes to us as
being the guilty ones in this case. The suggestion that Danish troops
might
contribute to democratization is buried under the charred remains of our
diplomatic representations in Beirut and Damascus.

Danish troops are only contributing to the destruction of
Iraq...nothing else.

Perhaps it is time we started mopping up this mess. Perhaps
Editor-in-Chief
Carsten Juste ought to remove his apology which has gone stale sitting so
long on the front page of our internet edition and which does not seem to
interest the madmen. Perhaps our government ought to announce to Mona
Omar
Attia, the strange Ambassador of Egypt, that she is persona non grata.

Perhaps the ambassadors that have been called home to fictitious
consultations in the Middle East should be told that they may spare
themselves the cost of the return ticket.

In so far as possible The Lying Imams probably ought to be expelled. And
then we ought to make an effort to support those Muslims who in a
difficult
situation have proven themselves to be true Citizens.

We, for our part, have no wish to be a burden to the Arab governments. We
will happily withdraw our soldiers, policemen and diplomats. If they
think
our money smells, we will retract our aid. Our trade must make do as well
as
it can. We promise to not bear a grudge and, in time, we will be glad to
return, but we are through with the hypocrisy. We have better things to
do
than being pissed upon at our own expense.

Cut down our activities in the Middle East. The world holds plenty of
other
opportunities.





The Danes are pissed-off, and so are we. "Freedom of Expression is
Western
Terrorism" proclaimed a banner that Muslim fanatics were carrying in one
of
their protest demonstrations this weekend. The behaviour of the dominant
media last week, from the BBC to CNN, from The Guardian to The New York
Times, indicates that there may be some truth in this. They only defend
freedom of speech when they can abuse free speech to ***** on us,
Westerners,
on our religion, on our traditions, on our values. When it is time to
defend
freedom of speech against those that want to enslave us they are not to
be
heard.

Not to be heard, either, were the Western governments that went to war to
liberate Iraq from the tyrant Saddam. Is it easier to send American and
British soldiers to their deaths to liberate Iraq than to speak a few
simple
words in defense of freedom at home? Is this the kind of "solidarity"
Washington and London exhibit towards their Danish ally, whose soldiers
are
also dying in Iraq and Afghanistan?

Last Friday Srdja Trifkovic, the foreign editor of the American
paleo-conservative magazine Chronicles, wrote:

Denmark's government, her media and the public at large, continue to
defy
the prevalent spirit of Western decrepitude by refusing to eat humble pie
over some half-dozen mildly satirical cartoons of Muhammad, the inventor
of
Islam. Every American by now has heard about those cartoons, but very few
have actually seen, thanks to our mainstream media's strange view of what
actually constitutes "all the news fit to print." [.] It looks like there
will be no apology coming from Copenhagen, however, no matter how many
Danish consulates burn in Dar al Islam, or how resolutely Iranians and
others pursue their announced boycott of Danish products [.] The U.S.
State
Department, by contrast, has effectively sided with Jihad by condemning
the
newspapers in Denmark, Norway, and elsewhere in Europe that have
published
those cartoons. [.] We are witnessing the ongoing delusion at Foggy
Bottom
about the effect U.S. appeasement will have on the Muslim world. If the
State Department believes that it will earn some brownie points for
America
in the streets of Cairo or Peshawar by betraying the Danes, it is merely
repeating Clinton's Balkan folly of the 1990s and Brzezinski's Afghan
blowback a decade earlier; and "not to learn from history is to be a
child
for ever" (Cicero).

For once the State Department finds itself in alliance with that other
paleo, Pat Buchanan, whose February 8 article "Secularist stupidity and
religious wars" led one of my European friends, an admirer of Mr
Buchanan,
to write to me: "I thought I was a paleo-conservative, but with a leading
figure like Buchanan I am beginning to doubt this. There are very good
arguments for non-interventionism. But he should be consistent and
condemn
the Arab intervention in the West, too."

"What was the purpose of this juvenile idiocy?" Mr Buchanan asks about
those
who reprinted the Muhammad drawings:

Is this what freedom of the press is all about - the freedom to insult
the
faith of a billion people and start a religious war? [.] Did Europeans
learn
nothing from the Salman Rushdie episode? Or the firestorm that gripped
the
Islamic world when Christian ministers in the United States called
Muhammad
a "terrorist"?

Really? What lessons were we supposed to learn from the Salman Rushdie
episode?

Mr Buchanan continues with some observations which we share, such as the

Buchanan...fuckin' hell now there's a lunatic. Since when does what
that prat has to say have anything to do with reality? This article
lost it's meaning with the mention of that name.

We have 'speech codes' in colleges and "hate crimes" laws to protect
minorities from abusive remarks. But newspapers that hail these codes
throw
a blanket of "artistic freedom" over scatological art that degrades
religious symbols - from putting a figure of Christ in a jar of urine to
a
"painting" of the Virgin Mary surrounded by female genitalia and elephant
dung that hung in a Brooklyn museum. What has happened in Europe is that
the
secular press, which loves to mock the beliefs and symbols of religious
faith, has now insulted a deadly serious religion that answers insults
with
action.

We have a question for Mr Buchanan: Does the fact that the dominant media
from the BBC to CNN, from The Guardian to The New York Times - those
cowards
that refuse to republish the twelve original drawings - have offended our
religion, our traditions, our values in the past, mean that we now have
to
submit to a "deadly serious religion that answers insults with" (and here
Mr
Buchanan employs a euphemism - something which he very rarely does)
"action?"

Then the position adopted this week by The Weekly Standard is more
courageous. It has republished the cartoons because, as Bill Kristol says
in
an editor's note:

In light of recent instances of capitulation to the threats of radical
Islamists, and in response to eloquent pleas by individuals like
Walid-al-Kubaisi in Norway to publish the cartoons in order to protect
freedom of expression, we wanted to do our small part to stand against
intimidation by extremists.

In an article about the cartoon affair he writes:

The response of Western leaders hasn't been particularly encouraging -
with the notable exception of Prime Minister Anders Fogh Rasmussen of
Denmark. Robert Frost said of liberals that they're incapable of taking
their own side in a fight.

This is not only true of Western leaders, but even more so of its
dominant
media, from the BBC to CNN, from The Guardian to The New York Times...

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from Infinite Monkeys on Sat, 2006-02-18 07:48
At least four major U.S. newspapers published one or more of the infamous
12
Danish cartoons. Several other publications -- from the Weekly Standard
to
the Harvard Salient -- followed suit. But, for the most part, the
American
media wimped...

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from Something... and Half of Something on Thu, 2006-02-16 02:58
This is how the Danes feel today: We are being pissed upon. I think it
was
the long departed H.C. Hansen, one of the great Danish statesmen of the
last
century, who - as the communists were demonstrating in front...

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from Michelle Malkin on Tue, 2006-02-14 17:31
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the Cartoon Jihad continues to boil over. AP reports on the worst
violence
in the Islamists' protests against the Mohammed Cartoons today in
Pakistan:
Thousands of protesters...

Jyllands-Posten: "We are being pissed upon"
from Agora on Tue, 2006-02-14 14:15
This article was published many places. It is a translation of an article
from Jyllands-Posten.
We are being pissed uponby Per Nyholm
I think it was the long departed H.C. Hansen, one of last century's great
Danish statesmen who once - while t...

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from Manny Is Here on Tue, 2006-02-14 10:55
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We
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think
our money smells, we will retract our aid. Our trade must make do as well
as
it can. We promise to n...

The Danes think they are being pissed on
from Irish Pennants on Mon, 2006-02-13 22:18
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is
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duties on the international stage. We have supported poor people with
acts
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describes their...

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from Solomonia on Mon, 2006-02-13 04:43
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(via
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of...

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from Powerclam on Mon, 2006-02-13 04:37
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rise of a wave of Hitlerite leaders that will plunge the world into
another
"WW-n" style conflagration. The

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from The Missing Link on Mon, 2006-02-13 03:53
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The Danes are *****
from Cardinal Martini: A USC Trojan's Weblog on Mon, 2006-02-13 03:00
The Brussels Journal links to a piece appearing in last Friday's
Jyllands-Posten, the paper that originally ran the Muhammed cartoons.
(It's
been translated into English for us.) Here's part of it. Kultur
Jyllands-Posten I feel that currently my beloved c

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from Law & Justice on Mon, 2006-02-13 02:25
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Mr. Frattini now thinks the journalist of The Daily Telegraph
misconstrued
wh...



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Regards,

Barbarossa

Nice bit of right wing rubbish Barbarossa...well done mate!

WH