If a decryption was done it would or should be apparent in the first
Quatrain and first line.
So visiting an anagram site:
http://www.ssynth.co.uk/~gay/anagram.html
This is the result limiting it to just 6 words there is an unlimited
facility.
Here are some phrases that can be made from that query:
Etant assis de nuit secret estude:
a a ce dedient tisseuses trustent
a a ce dedient trustent tisseuses
a a ce dedisent tisseuse trustent
a a ce dedisent trustent tisseuse
a a ce deduisent sertissent tetus
a a ce deduisent siestes trustent
a a ce deduisent testent tisseurs
a a ce deduisent testerent tissus
a a ce deduisent testeurs tissent
a a ce deduisent tetus sertissent
a a ce deduisent tissees trustent
a a ce deduisent tissent testeurs
a a ce deduisent tissent trustees
a a ce deduisent tisseurs testent
a a ce deduisent tissus testerent
a a ce deduisent trustees tissent
a a ce deduisent trustent siestes
a a ce deduisent trustent tissees
a a ce deduit reussissent testent
a a ce deduit testent reussissent
a a ce deduites sustenter tissent
a a ce deduites tissent sustenter
a a ce deistes dentistes suturent
a a ce deistes desistent suturent
a a ce deistes seduisent trustent
a a ce deistes suturent dentistes
a a ce deistes suturent desistent
a a ce deistes trustent seduisent
a a ce denis duettistes sustenter
a a ce denis sustenter duettistes
a a ce denses dettes instituteurs
a a ce denses instituteurs dettes
That is one line,
As one can see some variation for our translator to work through!
Have a nice day Y'all
Happy half Millennium Nostie!
LB
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| User: "Krib" |
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| Title: Re: The case against Line Based Anagrams Pt2 |
19 Oct 2003 07:10:18 AM |
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"Leigh_Bee" <leigh8bee@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
news:39cd5fe.0310190226.c9ea4b4@posting.google.com...
As one can see some variation for our translator to work through!
True but he has the advantage of actually knowing the
result he is looking for so anything, no matter how
remotely linked, can be 'worked' to fit his delusion.
You also have to remember that his work is limited to
past happenings only as these can be forced to fit his
delusion, that's why there is no detail of the, so called,
actual events they are pretended to depict.
Have a nice day Y'all
Y'all Y'too
--
Y'Krib
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| User: "Claude Latremouille" |
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| Title: Re: The case against Line Based Anagrams Pt2 |
19 Oct 2003 09:22:06 AM |
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On 19 Oct 2003 03:26:47 -0700, (Leigh_Bee)
wrote an interesting post, for a change!
*
If a decryption was done it would or should be apparent in the first
Quatrain and first line.
*
And those who actually know French, actually know that line 1 of
the first quatrain of Centurie I is defective, constituting a
clue to the encyphered nature of that text. For the ignoramuses,
there can be no such clue. As I write for the lurkers who wish to
be informed, here is an analysis of that line:
*
C E N T V R I E P R E M I E R E.
(édition de 1555)
*
E S T A N T assis de nuit secret estude,
*
The first four words constitute good French. No problem here. The
last two words are not properly linked to the first four. Herein
lies the problem. Those who are too familiar with that line
(after all, it is the very first line to be read when reciting
the quatrains from the Prophecies) tend to forget that obvious
fact and just ascribe it to what they would call a 'typical
Nostradamus style'. Indeed it is typical. But these people do not
know *why* that style had to be invented.
*
Moreover, as there is no subject in that poem (another element of
that 'typical Nostradamus style') we don't really know what these
two words (secret estude) are doing in the poem.
*
So visiting an anagram site:
*
[...]
*
Here are some phrases that can be made from that query:
*
Before we get to read the gobbledygook produced by that query,
let's state the unstated premise upon which that interesting
exercise has been conducted:
*
If it can be shown that words other than the ones Nostradamus has
hidden in his original text can be produced via the anagram
technique, then it would have been shown that Nostradamus did not
encypher his text at all.
*
Just like saying: if I can show that this car can go to Toronto,
therefore I have shown that it can't go to Montreal. This is the
level of intelligence coming from the Southern Hemisphere these
days.
*
Now, let's have a look at the garbage produced by the query:
*
Etant assis de nuit secret estude:
a a ce dedient tisseuses trustent
a a ce dedient trustent tisseuses
a a ce dedisent tisseuse trustent
a a ce dedisent trustent tisseuse
a a ce deduisent sertissent tetus
a a ce deduisent siestes trustent
a a ce deduisent testent tisseurs
a a ce deduisent testerent tissus
a a ce deduisent testeurs tissent
a a ce deduisent tetus sertissent
a a ce deduisent tissees trustent
a a ce deduisent tissent testeurs
a a ce deduisent tissent trustees
a a ce deduisent tisseurs testent
a a ce deduisent tissus testerent
a a ce deduisent trustees tissent
a a ce deduisent trustent siestes
a a ce deduisent trustent tissees
a a ce deduit reussissent testent
a a ce deduit testent reussissent
a a ce deduites sustenter tissent
a a ce deduites tissent sustenter
a a ce deistes dentistes suturent
a a ce deistes desistent suturent
a a ce deistes seduisent trustent
a a ce deistes suturent dentistes
a a ce deistes suturent desistent
a a ce deistes trustent seduisent
a a ce denis duettistes sustenter
a a ce denis sustenter duettistes
a a ce denses dettes instituteurs
a a ce denses instituteurs dettes
*
Those who can read French already know that none of these texts
makes any sense whatsoever. They are words placed side by side.
*
And, more importantly, none constitute the beginning of a hidden
sentence in prose, broken into four parts, to be found in four
different lines of poetry. Thus:
*
C E N T V R I E P R E M I E R E.
(édition de 1555)
*
E S T A N T assis de nuit secret estude,
Détestant les estranges uisions du
*
This is just the start of the decyphered text. It is incomplete.
To be completed, it calls for the next line to be decyphered.
Otherwise, we don't know what strange visions Nostradamus has
had. So, read on:
*
E S T A N T assis de nuit secret estude,
Détestant les estranges uisions du
Seul repousé sus la selle d'aerain,
Destin de la uille de Paris bruslée,
Flambe exigue sortant de solitude,
Nostradamus fixe en élégie tous les
Fait proferer qui n'est à croire vain.
Faicts qui arriveront après sa Mort.
*
Now, he's talking!
*
Nostradamus is telling us what he has done. Hating the visions he
got of the fate of the burned town of Paris, he set in an elegy
all the facts which shall happen after his death.
*
As the first two quatrains (I-1 and I-2) are most often quoted
together, let's see what the second is telling us:
*
2 La verge en main mise au milieu de B R A N C H E S
Mes vers bien mis en anagrame, le Cher Claude
De l'onde il moulle et le limbe et le pied.
La Trémouille épelle le destin du Monde
Vn peur et voix fremissent par les manches,
Et la France apprend que mes poësmes sont
Splendeur diuine . Le diuin prés s'assied.
Pleins du destin de Paris... qui rira de luy !
*
Of course, the same ignoramuses will immediately laugh at this
decyphered prose, which just happens to confirm that the Dear
Claude La Trémouille (that full name being broken in two separate
anagrams, incidentally) has indeed placed Nostradamus' poetry in
anagrams to spell the fate of the world, thus allowing France to
learn that Nostradamus' poems are full of the fate of Paris...
which shall laugh at him!
*
Those who can read the original text (the encyphered poetry) and
who can compare it to the decyphered text (the decyphered prose)
will immediately realize that the original text stinks, whereas
the hidden text is perfect.
*
This is one of the clues left by the presence of an encyphered
text: the text is purports to hide is always clearer than the
text created to hide it.
*
And, by definition, only the discoverer of the hidden text could
have... discovered it. Which would explain why he had to be
mentioned in that very text. After all, from Nostradamus' own
point of view, the discovery of his hidden prophecy *is* the most
important event to have occurred since its publication in cryptic
anagrams in 1555, is it not? So, he mentions it. Nothing
extraordinary about this. It just makes perfect sense. And it
also makes people laugh at the decyphered text, which also makes
perfect sense because... that's what the decyphered text says!
*
Happy 500th, Nosty!
*
Claude Latrémouille
*
=== ===
=== CLAUDE LATRÉMOUILLE ===
===========================
--
*** ** ***
C L A U D E L A T R E M O U I L L E
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| User: "Leigh_Bee" |
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| Title: Re: The case against Line Based Anagrams Pt2 |
19 Oct 2003 06:40:07 PM |
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(Claude Latremouille) wrote in message news:<bmu6me$s4r$1@freenet9.carleton.ca>...
On 19 Oct 2003 03:26:47 -0700, (Leigh_Bee)
wrote an interesting post, for a change!
*
If a decryption was done it would or should be apparent in the first
Quatrain and first line.
*
And those who actually know French, actually know that line 1 of
the first quatrain of Centurie I is defective, constituting a
clue to the encyphered nature of that text. For the ignoramuses,
there can be no such clue. As I write for the lurkers who wish to
be informed, here is an analysis of that line:
SNIP> And, by definition, only the discoverer of the hidden text
could
have... discovered it. Which would explain why he had to be
mentioned in that very text. After all, from Nostradamus' own
point of view, the discovery of his hidden prophecy *is* the most
important event to have occurred since its publication in cryptic
anagrams in 1555, is it not? So, he mentions it. Nothing
extraordinary about this. It just makes perfect sense. And it
also makes people laugh at the decyphered text, which also makes
perfect sense because... that's what the decyphered text says!
*
Happy 500th, Nosty!
*
Claude Latrémouille
*
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=== CLAUDE LATRÉMOUILLE ===
===========================
Put your foot right into it did You not?
The verse reads ok and is a description of the old bird doing his
scrying.
As the purpose was to illustrate the variations that can be derived
using up 30+ letters per line, and you wish to quadruple that with a
preconceived notion, as the previous poster has pointed out.
Let logic guide you, not a need to be recognised.
LB
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| User: "Peter Lemesurier" |
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| Title: Re: The case against Line Based Anagrams Pt2 |
20 Oct 2003 03:02:56 AM |
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On 19 Oct 2003 16:40:07 -0700, (Leigh_Bee)
either wrote or (if so marked) quoted:
And it
also makes people laugh at the decyphered text, which also makes
perfect sense because... that's what the decyphered text says!
....always providing that you insist (as Randi puts it) on using the
theory you're trying to prove, to prove the theory you're trying to
prove!
"Gee whizz -- when I jumble Nostradamus's letters to make different
words ... they make different words (especially if I actually allow
myself to change around 20% of them)!!"
--
Nye Eve
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| User: "Leigh_Bee" |
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| Title: Re: The case against Line Based Anagrams Pt2 |
20 Oct 2003 06:01:31 PM |
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Peter Lemesurier <lemesur@bengaldeleteyethisvillas.demon.co.uk> wrote in message news:<7g57pvs7ab06rdp7mhh72rl3un8902prcm@4ax.com>...
On 19 Oct 2003 16:40:07 -0700, (Leigh_Bee)
either wrote or (if so marked) quoted:
And it
also makes people laugh at the decyphered text, which also makes
perfect sense because... that's what the decyphered text says!
...always providing that you insist (as Randi puts it) on using the
theory you're trying to prove, to prove the theory you're trying to
prove!
"Gee whizz -- when I jumble Nostradamus's letters to make different
words ... they make different words (especially if I actually allow
myself to change around 20% of them)!!"
One should also note the anagram query results were set to six words,
the unlimited query yielded about 5 pages worth of results now one can
again argue the words are arbitrarily arranged but a word-smith could
arrange them.
But again it is the rules employed, if one is going to use a sentence
with the words joined together the spacing must also have a part to
play 7 words to 12 for instance.
But back to these rules whilst an anagram should use the same amount
of letters as when starting, one can omit one letter but that is all.
Claude on the other hand uses letters from other sentences to make up
his wording.
The claim it is in perfect Nostradamus prose is erroneous where does
Nostradamus use acronyms?
His theory has no written rules or protocols and he may as well say
this is the best I can get using the letters as in consonants and
vowels of Nostradamus' work using my own made rules, but he then tries
to claim intellectual superiority, because his strange scenario he has
set is not recorded by Nostradamus, where does it say We are at war
with China?
But the best yet is he has yet produced any endorsement of his
efforts.
LB
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| User: "DHM" |
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20 Oct 2003 03:16:58 AM |
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The trouble here is that even if Paris destroyed on August 13, 2017 it would
appear that Calude is the prophet NOT Nostradamus. The only way to defeat
skeptics like Lemesurier is TO USE NOSTRADAMUS' EXACT WORDS WITHOUT ADDING
ANYTHING TO THEM as I have done in the famous X.72.
However, this cannot be done with all the quatrains since their meaning is
to be found by joining a number of quatrains together, and this linking of
apparently separate quatrains can easily be dismissed by skeptics as
arbitrary.
X.72 on the other hand provides exact date and exact event and exact age of
civilization.
"Peter Lemesurier" <lemesur@bengaldeleteyethisvillas.demon.co.uk> wrote in
message news:7g57pvs7ab06rdp7mhh72rl3un8902prcm@4ax.com...
On 19 Oct 2003 16:40:07 -0700, (Leigh_Bee)
either wrote or (if so marked) quoted:
And it
also makes people laugh at the decyphered text, which also makes
perfect sense because... that's what the decyphered text says!
...always providing that you insist (as Randi puts it) on using the
theory you're trying to prove, to prove the theory you're trying to
prove!
"Gee whizz -- when I jumble Nostradamus's letters to make different
words ... they make different words (especially if I actually allow
myself to change around 20% of them)!!"
--
Nye Eve
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| User: "Never anonymous Bud" |
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20 Oct 2003 04:44:41 AM |
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Having skipped an E.L.F. meeting to be here, "DHM" <DHM@hotmail.com>
scribbled:
The trouble here is that even if Paris destroyed on August 13, 2017 it would
appear that Calude is the prophet NOT Nostradamus.
My GOD, you've posted something right for a change!
To reply by email, remove the XYZ.
Lumber Cartel (tinlc) #2063. Spam this account at your own risk.
It's your SIG, say what you want to say....
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