only 10 to 15 years remain.
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07 Aug 2005 11:09:45 PM |
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"Doug" <indydoug@knac.com> wrote in message news:RuzJe.184$WR5.75@newssvr31.news.prodigy.com...
only 10 to 15 years remain.
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/080305_world_stories.shtml#0
Not a big deal. When the petroleum resourse becomes more expensive than other forms of energy, the
natural selection process of the free market will come into effect. Hydrogen will eclipse petro over
a many year process. America and Japan will be the first to embrace hydrogen as an energy source.
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| User: "mondo" |
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08 Aug 2005 02:17:25 PM |
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Where will all this hydrogen come from you stupid fool? It takes alot of
energy to seperate hydrogen from anything.
mondo
"dreamwalker" <backfromthe@dead.com> wrote in message
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"Doug" <indydoug@knac.com> wrote in message
news:RuzJe.184$WR5.75@newssvr31.news.prodigy.com...
only 10 to 15 years remain.
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/080305_world_stories.shtml#0
Not a big deal. When the petroleum resourse becomes more expensive than
other forms of energy, the natural selection process of the free market
will come into effect. Hydrogen will eclipse petro over a many year
process. America and Japan will be the first to embrace hydrogen as an
energy source.
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| User: "Jane" |
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08 Aug 2005 03:26:20 PM |
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"mondo" <m@ndo.com> wrote in message
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Where will all this hydrogen come from you stupid fool? It takes alot of
energy to seperate hydrogen from anything.
I actually agree with you, mondo. I've read a lot on the "peak oil"
situation and most experts agree that there is nothing that can replace it
AND maintain our standard of living.
I don't think it will be as dire as returning to stone age conditions,
although some actually see that situation.
Jane
mondo
"dreamwalker" <backfromthe@dead.com> wrote in message
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"Doug" <indydoug@knac.com> wrote in message
news:RuzJe.184$WR5.75@newssvr31.news.prodigy.com...
only 10 to 15 years remain.
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/080305_world_stories.shtml#0
Not a big deal. When the petroleum resourse becomes more expensive than
other forms of energy, the natural selection process of the free market
will come into effect. Hydrogen will eclipse petro over a many year
process. America and Japan will be the first to embrace hydrogen as an
energy source.
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08 Aug 2005 06:34:05 PM |
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Cold nuclear fusion will probably be the next big thing I guess.
mondo
"Jane" <pushlinque@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"mondo" <m@ndo.com> wrote in message
news:fdOJe.857$Dd.2614@newscontent-01.sprint.ca...
Where will all this hydrogen come from you stupid fool? It takes alot
of energy to seperate hydrogen from anything.
I actually agree with you, mondo. I've read a lot on the "peak oil"
situation and most experts agree that there is nothing that can replace it
AND maintain our standard of living.
I don't think it will be as dire as returning to stone age conditions,
although some actually see that situation.
Jane
mondo
"dreamwalker" <backfromthe@dead.com> wrote in message
news:44203$42f6db0d$407628bf$22989@powerweb.allthenewsgroups.com...
"Doug" <indydoug@knac.com> wrote in message
news:RuzJe.184$WR5.75@newssvr31.news.prodigy.com...
only 10 to 15 years remain.
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/080305_world_stories.shtml#0
Not a big deal. When the petroleum resourse becomes more expensive than
other forms of energy, the natural selection process of the free market
will come into effect. Hydrogen will eclipse petro over a many year
process. America and Japan will be the first to embrace hydrogen as an
energy source.
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| User: "Jane" |
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08 Aug 2005 07:08:51 PM |
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"mondo" <m@ndo.com> wrote in message
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Cold nuclear fusion will probably be the next big thing I guess.
And we pissed away our chance at the first facility to create it. The Iter
project was set to go beside the Darlington nuclear reactor in Bowmanville,
Ont. The municipality and province were doing their part, but the feds
backed out and so we had to drop out of the running.
Want to bet that if the site had been in Quebec, it would have gone ahead?
Jane
mondo
"Jane" <pushlinque@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:NdPJe.4624$6d4.528766@news20.bellglobal.com...
"mondo" <m@ndo.com> wrote in message
news:fdOJe.857$Dd.2614@newscontent-01.sprint.ca...
Where will all this hydrogen come from you stupid fool? It takes alot
of energy to seperate hydrogen from anything.
I actually agree with you, mondo. I've read a lot on the "peak oil"
situation and most experts agree that there is nothing that can replace
it AND maintain our standard of living.
I don't think it will be as dire as returning to stone age conditions,
although some actually see that situation.
Jane
mondo
"dreamwalker" <backfromthe@dead.com> wrote in message
news:44203$42f6db0d$407628bf$22989@powerweb.allthenewsgroups.com...
"Doug" <indydoug@knac.com> wrote in message
news:RuzJe.184$WR5.75@newssvr31.news.prodigy.com...
only 10 to 15 years remain.
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/080305_world_stories.shtml#0
Not a big deal. When the petroleum resourse becomes more expensive than
other forms of energy, the natural selection process of the free market
will come into effect. Hydrogen will eclipse petro over a many year
process. America and Japan will be the first to embrace hydrogen as an
energy source.
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08 Aug 2005 08:23:57 PM |
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Jane wrote:
"mondo" <m@ndo.com> wrote in message
news:TZRJe.877$Dd.2613@newscontent-01.sprint.ca...
Cold nuclear fusion will probably be the next big thing I guess.
And we pissed away our chance at the first facility to create it. The Iter
project was set to go beside the Darlington nuclear reactor in Bowmanville,
Ont. The municipality and province were doing their part, but the feds
backed out and so we had to drop out of the running.
Want to bet that if the site had been in Quebec, it would have gone ahead?
Jane
Who was in power at the time? Was that when Clark went down on the
non-confidence vote?
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09 Aug 2005 03:53:40 AM |
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"Marvin The Paranoid Android" <marvinparanoidandroid@hotmail.com> wrote in
message news:dd90pa$ltd$1@domitilla.aioe.org...
Jane wrote:
"mondo" <m@ndo.com> wrote in message
news:TZRJe.877$Dd.2613@newscontent-01.sprint.ca...
Cold nuclear fusion will probably be the next big thing I guess.
And we pissed away our chance at the first facility to create it. The
Iter project was set to go beside the Darlington nuclear reactor in
Bowmanville, Ont. The municipality and province were doing their part,
but the feds backed out and so we had to drop out of the running.
Want to bet that if the site had been in Quebec, it would have gone
ahead?
Jane
Who was in power at the time? Was that when Clark went down on the
non-confidence vote?
No, this is very recent. Chretien was in power, I think. Or Martin. The
sign was up beside Darlington until just a year ago or so.
http://www.iter.org/index.htm
Our mayor went all over creation spending $$ to try and get it. It was
disappointing when the feds pulled the plug.
Jane
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| User: "Marvin The Paranoid Android" |
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09 Aug 2005 08:49:41 AM |
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Jane wrote:
"Marvin The Paranoid Android" <marvinparanoidandroid@hotmail.com> wrote in
message news:dd90pa$ltd$1@domitilla.aioe.org...
Jane wrote:
"mondo" <m@ndo.com> wrote in message
news:TZRJe.877$Dd.2613@newscontent-01.sprint.ca...
Cold nuclear fusion will probably be the next big thing I guess.
And we pissed away our chance at the first facility to create it. The
Iter project was set to go beside the Darlington nuclear reactor in
Bowmanville, Ont. The municipality and province were doing their part,
but the feds backed out and so we had to drop out of the running.
Want to bet that if the site had been in Quebec, it would have gone
ahead?
Jane
Who was in power at the time? Was that when Clark went down on the
non-confidence vote?
No, this is very recent. Chretien was in power, I think. Or Martin. The
sign was up beside Darlington until just a year ago or so.
http://www.iter.org/index.htm
Our mayor went all over creation spending $$ to try and get it. It was
disappointing when the feds pulled the plug.
Jane
I'm surprised something small scale has not been set up through the
National Research Council. They've got some sizeable campuses.
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09 Aug 2005 04:43:19 PM |
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"Marvin The Paranoid Android" <marvinparanoidandroid@hotmail.com> wrote in
message news:ddac9q$mvb$1@domitilla.aioe.org...
Jane wrote:
"Marvin The Paranoid Android" <marvinparanoidandroid@hotmail.com> wrote
in message news:dd90pa$ltd$1@domitilla.aioe.org...
Jane wrote:
"mondo" <m@ndo.com> wrote in message
news:TZRJe.877$Dd.2613@newscontent-01.sprint.ca...
Cold nuclear fusion will probably be the next big thing I guess.
And we pissed away our chance at the first facility to create it. The
Iter project was set to go beside the Darlington nuclear reactor in
Bowmanville, Ont. The municipality and province were doing their part,
but the feds backed out and so we had to drop out of the running.
Want to bet that if the site had been in Quebec, it would have gone
ahead?
Jane
Who was in power at the time? Was that when Clark went down on the
non-confidence vote?
No, this is very recent. Chretien was in power, I think. Or Martin.
The sign was up beside Darlington until just a year ago or so.
http://www.iter.org/index.htm
Our mayor went all over creation spending $$ to try and get it. It was
disappointing when the feds pulled the plug.
Jane
I'm surprised something small scale has not been set up through the
National Research Council. They've got some sizeable campuses.
$$ perhaps? Or just ostrich syndrom?
Jane
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08 Aug 2005 04:12:20 PM |
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Since it seems rather appropriate to this thread, I will repost the
message I put in here at the end of last year, or possibly the beginning
of this...
It was all found from research into the science (for peak oil) and
prophecies (religious and otherwise (for everything else)). Then
putting the idea of peak oil towards the prophecies. No dreams telling
me what would happen.
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The world is screwed.
That was simple. Now, I'll explain.
Modern society is built on continued expansion. Without expansion, there
would be zero inflation, zero interest, and of course, zero growth. A
stable society finds it's maximum level of expansion, and balances out
at that point.
Modern society has an advantage over the expansion limitation. The use
of fossil fuels has allowed society to over-use the planet. The use of
petroleum based fertilizers, has allowed a significant increase in the
amount of food that can be produced in a given area of farm land. Also,
the fossil fuels supply transportation and electrical needs to the world.
The amount of oil and natural gas available for use is not unlimited,
there is only a finite amount in the planet to use. This is where the
"Peak Oil" theory comes along. Peak Oil states that the production of
oil follows a bell curve. On the upside of the curve, the cheap and easy
to access oil is taken and used. On the downside of the curve, the more
difficult and more expensive to extract oil is accessed. The Peak Oil
theory also states that the world is currently at the peak of this bell
curve. It is possible to replace some of the energy use with coal,
nuclear power, hydro-electric, solar, wind, and such forms of power.
But, the other types of power will not be in place when they are needed.
Countries will cut back on their oil production, due to lack of ability
to continue producing at the same levels. This causes the price of oil
to climb. Only the countries that can afford the oil can have full
access to it. Other countries would not have enough to go around. At
first, this can be dealt with, as it's only a slight loss. As the world
continues down the bell curve, the oil is becoming even less available.
This means that food becomes more expensive. Over time, all but the
cheapest food is too expensive for many people. Add in to this one good
drought, and there will be mass starvation. Once the starvation begins,
many countries will decide to go to war to get access to other countries
resources.
But, this completely ignores how the American government, which is one
set of religious extremists, is trying to control the oil supply. Then
there is the other set of religious extremists, who happen to be in the
countries where the majority of the oil is located. Nice standoff. War
is the obvious result. But, this war is able to be kept in a localized
area, on a world-wide basis.
Once these factors occur at the same time, World War III will begin.
This war will continue for no more than a dozen years.
In the year 2010, 2011, or 2012, the Yellowstone volcano in Wyoming will
erupt. This will cause massive devistation, which results in the enemies
of USA to wage a more massive war. It puts out enough fine particulate
into the air, that the planet is left in complete choking darkness for
half of a week. People who go outside during the worst of it will die.
Due to the particulate in the air, the world's agriculture will fail to
produce anything significant for the next six months or more. This
causes starvation world-wide. Military rule, and martial law will be
enforced all around the world. You might want to stock up on a few extra
cases of bean and rice when this time is drawing near. A few bullets to
keep hungry neighbours might help, unless you pack enough food for them
as well. A bit of stored water to cook the rice would be useful too, as
the waters will initially be poisoned by the particulate. At this time,
things look bad. It will get worse over the coming years.
When the world is about to destroy itself, a comet will fall. This will
happen around late 2012 CE. The comet will enter on a west-bound
trajectory, after having already gone around the sun. While going around
the sun, the comet will break apart into smaller pieces. The smaller
pieces will rain down across the planet. The largest portion will land
in or near northern Europe.
Due to the astroid or volcanic activity, the upper mantle is
significantly affected. For two years afterwards, the Earth's crust will
shift. After the earthquakes, the North Pole will be located about ten
degrees closer to Alaska or Russia. The new location of the poles allows
the glaciers to melt on Greenland, and portions of Antarctica. This
raises the ocean level by two metres, flooding the coastal areas of the
world.
The least affected sections of the world are the south-eastern areas of
Canada, the north-eastern agricultural areas of USA, and the
agricultural areas, at higher elevations, of South America and
Australia. All other areas receive weather changes, destruction, war,
and/or riots.
After all of this, a new leader comes along. Everybody on his side of
the war will love the new leader, as his rule will fix the immediate
problems for a section of the world. He will be a military success for a
couple years. When he begins to lose the war, he will send out nuclear
missles. It will only be a limited amount.
Once this war has ended, the world population will be two and a half
billion people. At this point, the survivors lick their wounds, and get
on with life.
To summerize:
Overusing the world,
Peak oil,
World War III,
Volcano,
Comet,
Pole Shift,
Nuclear Weapons,
Stabalized planet.
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08 Aug 2005 05:16:53 PM |
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Elements you have, but flawed big time.
LB
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08 Aug 2005 06:06:16 PM |
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Elements you have, but flawed big time.
LB
Could well be. If I turn out to be wrong, then in a decade or so, you
can tell me I was wrong, and I will tell you that you are correct.
Until then, I will withhold my reply.
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08 Aug 2005 06:59:52 PM |
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"mondo" <m@ndo.com> wrote in message news:fdOJe.857$Dd.2614@newscontent-01.sprint.ca...
Where will all this hydrogen come from you stupid fool? It takes alot of energy to seperate
hydrogen from anything.
Nuclear power, ***** stick. Unlike what the idiot above said, the world has an almost limitless
supply of atomic fuel. Between breeder and conventional reactors, the possibilities are real.
There's a technology a foot where a biodigradible fluid that is highly absobant of hydrogen can act
as a carrier medium. It shows great promise for replacing gasoline. As for pure gas, my company
produces a prototype vessel made of a bi-metallic sponge type filler which absorbs hydrogen. If the
integrity of the vessel is compromised, the escaping hydrogen will smolder and not explode. A 55
gallon size container can store enough hydrogen to power a family sedan 300 miles. Both of these are
excellent forms of storage as low pressure or no pressure hydrogen can be used. That'll be a
requirement as high pressure hydrogen is not only dangerous, but it allows a greater opportunity for
the gas to escape and damage the ozone layer. Yes, just like fluorocarbons, hydrogen will convert in
the atmosphere and attack the precious ozone layor.
As for power requirements, the amount of kilowatts needed to produce a particular quantity of
hydrogen is still below the inexpensive nature of LNG, gasoline, or other petrolium products. But
petroleum's advatage will begin to diminish as it becomes more expensive to retreive. In the short
term, several sources of petroleum replacement will come into effect. Bio-diesel, corn alcohol, and
a few other sources will contribute. None of those offer a long term solution due to their limited
production capabilities.
As for conservation.......one small change in legislation could save 1/3 of all electricity used in
the USA and other nations. Simply outlaw incandecent lighting for all non-commercial applications.
Flourecent and newly developing LED technology would fill the gap.
mondo
"dreamwalker" <backfromthe@dead.com> wrote in message
news:44203$42f6db0d$407628bf$22989@powerweb.allthenewsgroups.com...
"Doug" <indydoug@knac.com> wrote in message news:RuzJe.184$WR5.75@newssvr31.news.prodigy.com...
only 10 to 15 years remain.
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/080305_world_stories.shtml#0
Not a big deal. When the petroleum resourse becomes more expensive than other forms of energy,
the natural selection process of the free market will come into effect. Hydrogen will eclipse
petro over a many year process. America and Japan will be the first to embrace hydrogen as an
energy source.
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| User: "mondo" |
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08 Aug 2005 09:37:19 PM |
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Coming in out of the cold: Cold fusion, for real
By Michelle Thaller
PASADENA, CALIF. - For the last few years, mentioning cold fusion around
scientists (myself included) has been a little like mentioning Bigfoot or
UFO sightings.
After the 1989 announcement of fusion in a bottle, so to speak, and the
subsequent retraction, the whole idea of cold fusion seemed a bit beyond the
pale. But that's all about to change.
A very reputable, very careful group of scientists at the University of Los
Angeles (Brian Naranjo, Jim Gimzewski, Seth Putterman) has initiated a
fusion reaction using a laboratory device that's not much bigger than a
breadbox, and works at roughly room temperature. This time, it looks like
the real thing.
Before going into their specific experiment, it's probably a good idea to
define exactly what nuclear fusion is, and why we're so interested in
understanding the process. This also gives me an excuse to talk about how
things work deep inside the nuclei of atoms, a topic near and dear to most
astronomers (more on that later).
Simply put, nuclear fusion means ramming protons and neutrons together so
hard that they stick, and form a single, larger nucleus. When this happens
with small nuclei (like hydrogen, which has only one proton or helium, which
has two), you get a lot of energy out of the reaction. This specific
reaction, fusing two hydrogen nuclei together to get helium, famously powers
our sun (good), as well as hydrogen bombs (bad). Fusion is a tremendous
source of energy; the reason we're not using it to meet our everyday energy
needs is that it's very hard to get a fusion reaction going. The reason is
simple: protons don't want to get close to other protons.
Do you remember learning about electricity in high school? I sure do - I
dreaded it whenever that topic came around. I had a series of well-meaning
science teachers that thought it would be fun for everyone to hold hands and
feel a mild electric shock pass their arms. Every time my fists clenched and
jerked and I had nothing consciously do with it, my stomach turned.
In addition, I have long, fine hair, and was often made a victim of the Van
de Graf generator - the little metal ball with a rubber belt inside it that
creates enough static electricity to make your hair stand on end. Yeesh.
Anyway, hopefully you remember the lesson that two objects having different
electrical charges (positive and negative) attract one another, while those
with the same charge repel. It's a basic law of electricity, and it
definitely holds true when two protons try to get close together. Protons
have positive charges, and they repel each other. Somehow, in order for
fusion to work, you've got to overcome this repulsive electrical force and
get the things to stick together.
Here's where an amazing and mysterious force comes in that, although we
don't think about it in our day-to-day lives, literally holds our matter
together. There are four universal forces of nature, two of which you're
probably familiar with: gravity and electromagnetism. But there are two
other forces that really only come in to play inside atomic nuclei: the
strong and weak nuclear forces (and yes, the strong force is the stronger of
the two, the weak is weaker. Scientists really have a way with names, dont
they?) I'm going to focus on the strong force, as that's the one responsible
for nuclear fusion.
The strong force is an attractive force between protons and neutrons - it
wants to stick them together. If the strong force had its way, the entire
universe would be one big super-dense ball of protons and neutrons, one big
atomic nucleus, in fact.
Fortunately, the strong force only becomes strong at very small scales:
about one millionth billionth of a meter. Yes, that's 0.000000000000001
meters. Any farther away, and the strong force loses its grip. But if you
can get protons and neutrons that close together, the strong force becomes
stronger than any other force in nature, including electricity.
That's important- all protons have the same charge, so they'd like to fly
away from each other. But if you can get them close together, inside the
volume of an atomic nucleus, the strong force will bind them together. The
whole trick with fusion is you've got to get protons close enough together
for the strong force to overcome their electrical repulsion and merge them
together into a nucleus. The sun does this pretty much by brute force. The
sun has over 300,000 times the mass of the Earth, which means there's a lot
of gravity weighing down on its core.
That pressure gets the sun's internal temperature up to several millions of
degrees, which means that particles inside the sun's core are flying around
at huge velocities. Everything is moving around so fast that protons
sometimes get slammed together before their charges have a chance to repel.
The strong force takes hold, and a new atom (helium) is born.
In this process, some of the mass of the protons is converted into energy,
powering the sun and producing the light that will eventually reach the
Earth as sunlight.
Scientists have gotten fusion to occur in the laboratory before, but for the
most part, they've tried to mimic conditions inside the sun by whipping
hydrogen gas up to extreme temperatures or slamming atoms together in
particle accelerators. Both of those options require huge energies and
gigantic equipment, not the sort of stuff easily available to build a
generator. Is there any way of getting protons close enough together for
fusion to occur that doesnt require the energy output of a large city to
make it happen?
The answer, it turns out, is yes.Instead of using high temperatures and
incredible densities to ram protons together, the scientists at UCLA
cleverly used the structure of an unusual crystal.Crystals are fascinating
things; the atoms inside are all lined up in a tightly ordered lattice,
which creates the beautiful structure we associate with crystals. Sometimes
those orderly atoms create neat side-effects, like piezoelectricity, which
is the effect of creating an electrical charge in a crystal by compressing
it. Stressing the bonds between the atoms of some crystals causes electrons
to build up on one side, creating a charge difference over the body of the
crystal. Other crystals do this when you heat or cool them; these are called
pyroelectric crystals.
The new cold fusion experiment went something like this: scientists inserted
a small pyroelectric crystal (lithium tantalite) inside a chamber filled
with hydrogen. Warming the crystal by about 100 degrees (from -30 F to 45F)
produced a huge electrical field of about 100,000 volts across the small
crystal.
The tip of a metal wire was inserted near the crystal, which concentrated
the charge to a single, powerful point. Remember, hydrogen nuclei have a
positive charge, so they feel the force of an electric field, and this one
packed quite a wallop! The huge electric field sent the nuclei careening
away, smacking into other hydrogen nuclei on their way out. Instead of using
intense heat or pressure to get nuclei close enough together to fuse, this
new experiment used a very powerful electric field to slam atoms together.
Unlike some previous claims of room-temperature fusion, this one makes
intuitive sense: its just another way to get atoms close enough together for
the strong force to take over and do the rest. Once the reaction got going,
the scientists observed not only the production of helium nuclei, but other
tell-tale signs of fusion such as free neutrons and high energy radiation.
This experiment has been repeated successfully and other scientists have
reviewed the results: it looks like the real thing this time.
For the time being, don't expect fusion to become a readily available energy
option. The current cold fusion apparatus still takes much more energy to
start up than you get back out, and it may never end up breaking even. In
the mean time, the crystal-fusion device might be used as a compact source
of neutrons and X-rays, something that could turn out to be useful making
small scanning machines. But it really may not be long until we have the
first nuclear fusion-powered devices in common use.
So cold fusion is back, perhaps to stay. After many fits and starts, its
finally time for everyday fusion to come in out of the cold.
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08 Aug 2005 10:05:48 PM |
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"mondo" <m@ndo.com> wrote in message news:HFUJe.893$Dd.2808@newscontent-01.sprint.ca...
Coming in out of the cold: Cold fusion, for real
By Michelle Thaller
PASADENA, CALIF. - For the last few years, mentioning cold fusion around scientists (myself
included) has been a little like mentioning Bigfoot or UFO sightings.
After the 1989 announcement of fusion in a bottle, so to speak, and the subsequent retraction, the
whole idea of cold fusion seemed a bit beyond the pale. But that's all about to change.
A very reputable, very careful group of scientists at the University of Los Angeles (Brian
Naranjo, Jim Gimzewski, Seth Putterman) has initiated a fusion reaction using a laboratory device
that's not much bigger than a breadbox, and works at roughly room temperature. This time, it looks
like the real thing.
Before going into their specific experiment, it's probably a good idea to define exactly what
nuclear fusion is, and why we're so interested in understanding the process. This also gives me an
excuse to talk about how things work deep inside the nuclei of atoms, a topic near and dear to
most astronomers (more on that later).
Simply put, nuclear fusion means ramming protons and neutrons together so hard that they stick,
and form a single, larger nucleus. When this happens with small nuclei (like hydrogen, which has
only one proton or helium, which has two), you get a lot of energy out of the reaction. This
specific reaction, fusing two hydrogen nuclei together to get helium, famously powers our sun
(good), as well as hydrogen bombs (bad). Fusion is a tremendous source of energy; the reason we're
not using it to meet our everyday energy needs is that it's very hard to get a fusion reaction
going. The reason is simple: protons don't want to get close to other protons.
Do you remember learning about electricity in high school? I sure do - I dreaded it whenever that
topic came around. I had a series of well-meaning science teachers that thought it would be fun
for everyone to hold hands and feel a mild electric shock pass their arms. Every time my fists
clenched and jerked and I had nothing consciously do with it, my stomach turned.
In addition, I have long, fine hair, and was often made a victim of the Van de Graf generator -
the little metal ball with a rubber belt inside it that creates enough static electricity to make
your hair stand on end. Yeesh.
Anyway, hopefully you remember the lesson that two objects having different electrical charges
(positive and negative) attract one another, while those with the same charge repel. It's a basic
law of electricity, and it definitely holds true when two protons try to get close together.
Protons have positive charges, and they repel each other. Somehow, in order for fusion to work,
you've got to overcome this repulsive electrical force and get the things to stick together.
Here's where an amazing and mysterious force comes in that, although we don't think about it in
our day-to-day lives, literally holds our matter together. There are four universal forces of
nature, two of which you're probably familiar with: gravity and electromagnetism. But there are
two other forces that really only come in to play inside atomic nuclei: the strong and weak
nuclear forces (and yes, the strong force is the stronger of the two, the weak is weaker.
Scientists really have a way with names, dont they?) I'm going to focus on the strong force, as
that's the one responsible for nuclear fusion.
The strong force is an attractive force between protons and neutrons - it wants to stick them
together. If the strong force had its way, the entire universe would be one big super-dense ball
of protons and neutrons, one big atomic nucleus, in fact.
Fortunately, the strong force only becomes strong at very small scales: about one millionth
billionth of a meter. Yes, that's 0.000000000000001 meters. Any farther away, and the strong force
loses its grip. But if you can get protons and neutrons that close together, the strong force
becomes stronger than any other force in nature, including electricity.
That's important- all protons have the same charge, so they'd like to fly away from each other.
But if you can get them close together, inside the volume of an atomic nucleus, the strong force
will bind them together. The whole trick with fusion is you've got to get protons close enough
together for the strong force to overcome their electrical repulsion and merge them together into
a nucleus. The sun does this pretty much by brute force. The sun has over 300,000 times the mass
of the Earth, which means there's a lot of gravity weighing down on its core.
That pressure gets the sun's internal temperature up to several millions of degrees, which means
that particles inside the sun's core are flying around at huge velocities. Everything is moving
around so fast that protons sometimes get slammed together before their charges have a chance to
repel. The strong force takes hold, and a new atom (helium) is born.
In this process, some of the mass of the protons is converted into energy, powering the sun and
producing the light that will eventually reach the Earth as sunlight.
Scientists have gotten fusion to occur in the laboratory before, but for the most part, they've
tried to mimic conditions inside the sun by whipping hydrogen gas up to extreme temperatures or
slamming atoms together in particle accelerators. Both of those options require huge energies and
gigantic equipment, not the sort of stuff easily available to build a generator. Is there any way
of getting protons close enough together for fusion to occur that doesnt require the energy output
of a large city to make it happen?
The answer, it turns out, is yes.Instead of using high temperatures and incredible densities to
ram protons together, the scientists at UCLA cleverly used the structure of an unusual
crystal.Crystals are fascinating things; the atoms inside are all lined up in a tightly ordered
lattice, which creates the beautiful structure we associate with crystals. Sometimes those orderly
atoms create neat side-effects, like piezoelectricity, which is the effect of creating an
electrical charge in a crystal by compressing it. Stressing the bonds between the atoms of some
crystals causes electrons to build up on one side, creating a charge difference over the body of
the crystal. Other crystals do this when you heat or cool them; these are called pyroelectric
crystals.
The new cold fusion experiment went something like this: scientists inserted a small pyroelectric
crystal (lithium tantalite) inside a chamber filled with hydrogen. Warming the crystal by about
100 degrees (from -30 F to 45F) produced a huge electrical field of about 100,000 volts across the
small crystal.
The tip of a metal wire was inserted near the crystal, which concentrated the charge to a single,
powerful point. Remember, hydrogen nuclei have a positive charge, so they feel the force of an
electric field, and this one packed quite a wallop! The huge electric field sent the nuclei
careening away, smacking into other hydrogen nuclei on their way out. Instead of using intense
heat or pressure to get nuclei close enough together to fuse, this new experiment used a very
powerful electric field to slam atoms together.
Unlike some previous claims of room-temperature fusion, this one makes intuitive sense: its just
another way to get atoms close enough together for the strong force to take over and do the rest.
Once the reaction got going, the scientists observed not only the production of helium nuclei, but
other tell-tale signs of fusion such as free neutrons and high energy radiation.
This experiment has been repeated successfully and other scientists have reviewed the results: it
looks like the real thing this time.
For the time being, don't expect fusion to become a readily available energy option. The current
cold fusion apparatus still takes much more energy to start up than you get back out, and it may
never end up breaking even. In the mean time, the crystal-fusion device might be used as a compact
source of neutrons and X-rays, something that could turn out to be useful making small scanning
machines. But it really may not be long until we have the first nuclear fusion-powered devices in
common use.
So cold fusion is back, perhaps to stay. After many fits and starts, its finally time for everyday
fusion to come in out of the cold.
China is investing heavily into cold fusion development. Many feel it's no more than pipe dream. I
feel anything and everything should be on the table right now. Mankind has no time to spare.
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09 Aug 2005 06:13:47 AM |
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"dreamwalker" <backfromthe@dead.com> wrote in message
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China is investing heavily into cold fusion development. Many feel it's no
more than pipe dream. I
feel anything and everything should be on the table right now. Mankind has
no time to spare.
But you believe armageddon is at hand, you silly ignorant man. What would be
the point?
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| User: "" |
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08 Aug 2005 07:11:27 AM |
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It only takes about 30 years to implement, a new change besides when it
gets tighter folk invent new excuses to steal it.
Wars are fought for less.
see Japan and Germany WW2.
LB
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08 Aug 2005 06:10:46 AM |
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dreamwalker wrote:
"Doug" <indydoug@knac.com> wrote in message news:RuzJe.184$WR5.75@newssvr31.news.prodigy.com...
only 10 to 15 years remain.
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/080305_world_stories.shtml#0
Not a big deal. When the petroleum resourse becomes more expensive than other forms of energy, the
natural selection process of the free market will come into effect. Hydrogen will eclipse petro over
a many year process. America and Japan will be the first to embrace hydrogen as an energy source.
There is no way to supply enough energy to replace oil and natural gas
anytime soon. Coal is being mined as fast as possible. Hydrogen only
works as a battery, as it takes more energy to get it than it returns.
Solar and wind power takes a lot of energy to build the systems (to
create all of USA's power needs with solar would require all of USA
being covered in solar cells, 10 times over (solar will be better when
the new solar cells that are about 6 times more efficient get into mass
production though)). Water power requires the rivers to get the energy
(Canada is lucky here, getting 50% of all electricity from water power).
Nuclear will run out when the uranium runs out (there are only 20
years worth of known uranium reserves, but more can be found... maybe).
New technology might be possible (like the helium-3 from the moon),
but don't count on it. Non conventional oil (oil sands, etc) are slow
to get at the oil.
There is nothing that can simply replace the fossil fuels.
But, combinations of all of these will lessen the effects of the coming
oil shock. If the world starts getting ready, and putting all of these
things in place beginning about five years ago.
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07 Aug 2005 10:48:56 PM |
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Doug wrote:
only 10 to 15 years remain.
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/080305_world_stories.shtml#0
The oil shock has already begun in the most poor areas of the world.
It will start being noticed by the rest of the world within one or two
years.
It took about 70 years to use about half of the worlds easy to access
oil. The other half will be gone in about 30 years.
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| User: "mondo" |
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08 Aug 2005 02:07:44 PM |
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Where will all this hydrogen come from you stupid fool? It takes alot of
energy to seperate hydrogen from anything.
mondo
"Half-Mad" <half.mad@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Doug wrote:
only 10 to 15 years remain.
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/080305_world_stories.shtml#0
The oil shock has already begun in the most poor areas of the world.
It will start being noticed by the rest of the world within one or two
years.
It took about 70 years to use about half of the worlds easy to access oil.
The other half will be gone in about 30 years.
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| User: "mondo" |
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08 Aug 2005 02:16:48 PM |
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I acidentally posted this in the wrong place. I was refering to
dreamwalkers postulate that hydrogen can be an alternate form of energy.
mondo
"mondo" <m@ndo.com> wrote in message
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Where will all this hydrogen come from you stupid fool? It takes alot of
energy to seperate hydrogen from anything.
mondo
"Half-Mad" <half.mad@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:x8CdncuOtaTJSmvfRVn-3w@rogers.com...
Doug wrote:
only 10 to 15 years remain.
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/080305_world_stories.shtml#0
The oil shock has already begun in the most poor areas of the world.
It will start being noticed by the rest of the world within one or two
years.
It took about 70 years to use about half of the worlds easy to access
oil. The other half will be gone in about 30 years.
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