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User: "Cali Smith blythe"
Date: 28 Oct 2003 03:13:39 PM
Object: The draft
http://www.prisonplanet.com/analysis_lorentz.html
Police State: Bringing Back the Draft
Al Lorentz October 26 2003
Recently there has been discussion on The Hill by our elected
representatives regarding the re-institution of the draft. The draft
was phased in the Vietnam era after the war and replaced by the
Volunteer Army.
The volunteer Army has been a success more or less although now
problems are starting to arise.
Those current problems arise from an Orwellian police state that
refuses to deal with reality. The Army is stretched so thin that it
is nothing more than a paper tiger filled with "ghost soldiers" to
cover many of our un-Constitutional commitments. Rather than realize
that perhaps they are reaching far beyond their grasp or, God forbid,
they should read the Constitution and cease all un-Constitutional
deployments, our politicians do what they always do in these
situations.
They steal from the American people to cover their deficits.
Look for instance at the growing budget crises in various cities and
states here in America. In a down economy, income and hence taxes,
are reduced. The average household when faced with a smaller income
reduces spending, but not government.
Government instead, demands tax increases to cover the budget
shortfalls. The concept of perhaps cutting out some or most of the
un-necessary functions of government never seem to dawn on city and
state governments. This is primarily due to the docility and
complacency of the American people, thanks to their successful
indoctrination in Public Educational facilities.
In the past, I have advocated a selective draft, one specifically
aimed at drafting only the children of the political "elite". These
draftees would be the first to deploy into any combat operation, there
would be no exemptions, waivers or the usual special treatment given
to the offspring of our servants turned masters. I predict that
un-necessary wars would thus drop to zero, military equipment would
actually do what it is supposed to do and that military pay, veterans
healthcare and living conditions would become comparable to that of
the civilian sector.
But the draft, just like taxation, will be selective, that is, it will
exempt our political "leaders" and their offspring, who obviously
never heard the term "lead by example". The draft will also have so
many exemptions available to the wealthy and friends of politicians
that it will resemble the 36,000 page tax code. The draft will not be
a fair and equitable demand put on the American people but a selective
burden placed on the backs of those unable to buy proper
representation in government. [snip]
-------------------------------------------------
Hi all, I'm just wondering why any god fearing, all american citizen
of the good ole US of A would balk at having to join up to defend
their freedoms just because political leaders, their offspring, and
other extreemly rich folk can find ways to dodge the draft. After all,
it's them that make up the rules aint it? So what's the problem?
.

User: "Flyfish"

Title: Re: The draft 29 Oct 2003 11:48:36 AM
(Cali Smith blythe) wrote in
news:c436f848.0310281313.14d9cf56@posting.google.com:

http://www.prisonplanet.com/analysis_lorentz.html

Police State: Bringing Back the Draft
Al Lorentz October 26 2003

Recently there has been discussion on The Hill by our elected
representatives regarding the re-institution of the draft. The draft
was phased in the Vietnam era after the war and replaced by the
Volunteer Army.

The volunteer Army has been a success more or less although now
problems are starting to arise.

Because asshat liberals all wanted to destroy the military so they could
increase the size of their handouts.

Those current problems arise from an Orwellian police state that
refuses to deal with reality. The Army is stretched so thin that it
is nothing more than a paper tiger filled with "ghost soldiers" to
cover many of our un-Constitutional commitments. Rather than realize
that perhaps they are reaching far beyond their grasp or, God forbid,
they should read the Constitution and cease all un-Constitutional
deployments, our politicians do what they always do in these
situations.

First it's the liberals that can't face reality. You cannot overdeploy (for
8 years under Clinton right through today) and not fund the military.
Second what "un-constitutional" deployments? I suspect you need to read the
Constitution before you say something else this stupid.

They steal from the American people to cover their deficits.

Ok I wouldn't argue that, income tax is a Democrat/liberal created plague
on the US worker.

Look for instance at the growing budget crises in various cities and
states here in America. In a down economy, income and hence taxes,
are reduced. The average household when faced with a smaller income
reduces spending, but not government.

Yeah and the libs solution is to borrow more, spend more, increase taxes.
When income is up they save a paltry amount and increase spending, when
it's down, all that spending is "critical".

Government instead, demands tax increases to cover the budget
shortfalls. The concept of perhaps cutting out some or most of the
un-necessary functions of government never seem to dawn on city and
state governments. This is primarily due to the docility and
complacency of the American people, thanks to their successful
indoctrination in Public Educational facilities.

No it's because the frigging liberals are in control of the legislatures in
most cities/states.

In the past, I have advocated a selective draft, one specifically
aimed at drafting only the children of the political "elite". These
draftees would be the first to deploy into any combat operation, there
would be no exemptions, waivers or the usual special treatment given
to the offspring of our servants turned masters. I predict that
un-necessary wars would thus drop to zero, military equipment would
actually do what it is supposed to do and that military pay, veterans
healthcare and living conditions would become comparable to that of
the civilian sector.

Clearly you're an idiot.
Flyfish
--
"The difference between Congress and drunken sailors is that drunken
sailors are spending their own money."
-Rep. Tom Feeney (R.-Fla.), August 8, 2003.
.
User: "Cali Smith blythe"

Title: Re: The draft 29 Oct 2003 05:54:42 PM
Flyfish <Flyfish@google.com> wrote in message news:<Xns94238237F9D80Flyfishnotherecom@130.133.1.4>...

theriddler00@hotmail.com (Cali Smith blythe) wrote in
news:c436f848.0310281313.14d9cf56@posting.google.com:

http://www.prisonplanet.com/analysis_lorentz.html

Police State: Bringing Back the Draft
Al Lorentz October 26 2003

Recently there has been discussion on The Hill by our elected
representatives regarding the re-institution of the draft. The draft
was phased in the Vietnam era after the war and replaced by the
Volunteer Army.

The volunteer Army has been a success more or less although now
problems are starting to arise.


Because asshat liberals all wanted to destroy the military so they could
increase the size of their handouts.

Those current problems arise from an Orwellian police state that
refuses to deal with reality. The Army is stretched so thin that it
is nothing more than a paper tiger filled with "ghost soldiers" to
cover many of our un-Constitutional commitments. Rather than realize
that perhaps they are reaching far beyond their grasp or, God forbid,
they should read the Constitution and cease all un-Constitutional
deployments, our politicians do what they always do in these
situations.


First it's the liberals that can't face reality. You cannot overdeploy (for
8 years under Clinton right through today) and not fund the military.

Second what "un-constitutional" deployments? I suspect you need to read the
Constitution before you say something else this stupid.

They steal from the American people to cover their deficits.


Ok I wouldn't argue that, income tax is a Democrat/liberal created plague
on the US worker.

Look for instance at the growing budget crises in various cities and
states here in America. In a down economy, income and hence taxes,
are reduced. The average household when faced with a smaller income
reduces spending, but not government.


Yeah and the libs solution is to borrow more, spend more, increase taxes.
When income is up they save a paltry amount and increase spending, when
it's down, all that spending is "critical".

Government instead, demands tax increases to cover the budget
shortfalls. The concept of perhaps cutting out some or most of the
un-necessary functions of government never seem to dawn on city and
state governments. This is primarily due to the docility and
complacency of the American people, thanks to their successful
indoctrination in Public Educational facilities.


No it's because the frigging liberals are in control of the legislatures in
most cities/states.

In the past, I have advocated a selective draft, one specifically
aimed at drafting only the children of the political "elite". These
draftees would be the first to deploy into any combat operation, there
would be no exemptions, waivers or the usual special treatment given
to the offspring of our servants turned masters. I predict that
un-necessary wars would thus drop to zero, military equipment would
actually do what it is supposed to do and that military pay, veterans
healthcare and living conditions would become comparable to that of
the civilian sector.


Clearly you're an idiot.

Flyfish

Surely your not refering to me as being an idiot, I didn't write that
article, I'm merely the messenger of it.
BTW i noticed you didn't comment on this bit at the end that you
snipped off:-

But the draft, just like taxation, will be selective, that is, it

will
exempt our political "leaders" and their offspring, who obviously
never heard the term "lead by example". The draft will also have so
many exemptions available to the wealthy and friends of politicians
that it will resemble the 36,000 page tax code. The draft will not be
a fair and equitable demand put on the American people but a selective
burden placed on the backs of those unable to buy proper
representation in government.
Care to give an objective opinion of it Flyfish?
.
User: "Flyfish"

Title: Re: The draft 30 Oct 2003 07:29:08 AM
(Cali Smith blythe) wrote in
news:c436f848.0310291554.3a52e823@posting.google.com:

Clearly you're an idiot.

Flyfish


Surely your not refering to me as being an idiot, I didn't write that
article, I'm merely the messenger of it.
BTW i noticed you didn't comment on this bit at the end that you
snipped off:-

The writer is clearly an idiot. Those who post idiotic things, well you can
use your own judgement.

But the draft, just like taxation, will be selective, that is, it

will
exempt our political "leaders" and their offspring, who obviously
never heard the term "lead by example". The draft will also have so
many exemptions available to the wealthy and friends of politicians
that it will resemble the 36,000 page tax code. The draft will not be
a fair and equitable demand put on the American people but a selective
burden placed on the backs of those unable to buy proper
representation in government.

Care to give an objective opinion of it Flyfish?

No opinion required. The elite, either liberal or conservative, have always
shirked, and will continue to do so, you expected something different?
Since no draft exists it's at best a premature argument, at worst, alarmist
*****, another loon attempting to make hay out of nothing.
Flyfish
--
"The difference between Congress and drunken sailors is that drunken
sailors are spending their own money."
-Rep. Tom Feeney (R.-Fla.), August 8, 2003.
.
User: "Charly the Bastard"

Title: Re: The draft 14 Nov 2003 10:17:02 PM
Flyfish wrote:


snippage


No opinion required. The elite, either liberal or conservative, have always
shirked, and will continue to do so, you expected something different?

Since no draft exists it's at best a premature argument, at worst, alarmist
*****, another loon attempting to make hay out of nothing.

Flyfish

--
"The difference between Congress and drunken sailors is that drunken
sailors are spending their own money."
-Rep. Tom Feeney (R.-Fla.), August 8, 2003.

Tell me something... are you old enough to have experienced The Draft? I am,
it was no fun at all. The Draft is an involuntary lottery. If you 'win', you
get to travel to exotic locales, meet interesting people, and KILL THEM. If you
refuse to play, then Men with Guns come to your house and drag you away in
cuffs and ship you off to someplace even less fun than Boot Camp. A third of
my senior class ended up on The Wall, and my eligibility was late in the war,
as it was 'winding down'.
Just something to think about...
.
User: "eric davis"

Title: Re: The draft 15 Nov 2003 01:21:59 AM
Canada welcomed the conscientious objectors, and most certainly will in the
future as well.
eric.
"Charly the *****" <nitecrawler7@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:3FB5A8C1.994DE773@worldnet.att.net...

Flyfish wrote:



snippage


No opinion required. The elite, either liberal or conservative, have

always

shirked, and will continue to do so, you expected something different?

Since no draft exists it's at best a premature argument, at worst,

alarmist

*****, another loon attempting to make hay out of nothing.

Flyfish

--
"The difference between Congress and drunken sailors is that drunken
sailors are spending their own money."
-Rep. Tom Feeney (R.-Fla.), August 8, 2003.


Tell me something... are you old enough to have experienced The Draft? I

am,

it was no fun at all. The Draft is an involuntary lottery. If you 'win',

you

get to travel to exotic locales, meet interesting people, and KILL THEM.

If you

refuse to play, then Men with Guns come to your house and drag you away in
cuffs and ship you off to someplace even less fun than Boot Camp. A third

of

my senior class ended up on The Wall, and my eligibility was late in the

war,

as it was 'winding down'.
Just something to think about...



.
User: "Flyfish"

Title: Re: The draft 15 Nov 2003 08:17:54 AM
"eric davis" <ericdavis66@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:A%htb.47014$xI2.1238030@news20.bellglobal.com:

Canada welcomed the conscientious objectors, and most certainly will
in the future as well.

eric.

Cool they can all get high with the village idiot.
Flyfish
ps: keep 'em
--
"The difference between Congress and drunken sailors is that drunken
sailors are spending their own money."
-Rep. Tom Feeney (R.-Fla.), August 8, 2003.
.
User: "eric davis"

Title: Re: The draft 15 Nov 2003 04:29:39 PM
Get high with the Village Idiot! Now that's mean-spirited!
eric.
"Flyfish" <Flyfish@google.com> wrote in message
news:Xns94345F8A367C4Flyfishnotherecom@130.133.1.4...

"eric davis" <ericdavis66@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:A%htb.47014$xI2.1238030@news20.bellglobal.com:

Canada welcomed the conscientious objectors, and most certainly will
in the future as well.

eric.


Cool they can all get high with the village idiot.

Flyfish

ps: keep 'em

--
"The difference between Congress and drunken sailors is that drunken
sailors are spending their own money."
-Rep. Tom Feeney (R.-Fla.), August 8, 2003.

.


User: "Woodswun"

Title: Re: The draft 15 Nov 2003 08:52:46 AM
In article <A%htb.47014$xI2.1238030@news20.bellglobal.com>, "eric davis" <ericdavis66@hotmail.com> wrote:

Canada welcomed the conscientious objectors, and most certainly will in the
future as well.

Friends will also assist people in obtaining Conscientious Objector status.
(That's aka "Quakers", Tony).
Woods
.
User: "Flyfish"

Title: Re: The draft 15 Nov 2003 12:33:38 PM
(Woodswun) wrote in
news:25rtb.87874$ji3.22556@twister.nyroc.rr.com:

In article <A%htb.47014$xI2.1238030@news20.bellglobal.com>, "eric
davis" <ericdavis66@hotmail.com> wrote:

Canada welcomed the conscientious objectors, and most certainly will
in the future as well.


Friends will also assist people in obtaining Conscientious Objector
status.

(That's aka "Quakers", Tony).

Woods

I once wrote a recommendation for a friend who was applying for CO status.
He was accepted and within a few weeks was sent 300 miles away to clean
bathrooms in a hospital as "alternate" service.
Flyfish
--
"The difference between Congress and drunken sailors is that drunken
sailors are spending their own money."
-Rep. Tom Feeney (R.-Fla.), August 8, 2003.
.
User: "WH"

Title: Re: The draft 15 Nov 2003 10:58:36 PM
"Flyfish" <Flyfish@google.com> skrev i meddelandet
news:Xns94348AE501B42Flyfishnotherecom@130.133.1.4...

woodswun@tepidmail.com (Woodswun) wrote in
news:25rtb.87874$ji3.22556@twister.nyroc.rr.com:

In article <A%htb.47014$xI2.1238030@news20.bellglobal.com>, "eric
davis" <ericdavis66@hotmail.com> wrote:

Canada welcomed the conscientious objectors, and most certainly will
in the future as well.


Friends will also assist people in obtaining Conscientious Objector
status.

(That's aka "Quakers", Tony).

Woods


I once wrote a recommendation for a friend who was applying for CO status.
He was accepted and within a few weeks was sent 300 miles away to clean
bathrooms in a hospital as "alternate" service.

Flyfish

Best place for him!!!
WH
.

User: "Woodswun"

Title: Re: The draft 15 Nov 2003 01:32:44 PM
In article <Xns94348AE501B42Flyfishnotherecom@130.133.1.4>, Flyfish <Flyfish@google.com> wrote:

woodswun@tepidmail.com (Woodswun) wrote in
news:25rtb.87874$ji3.22556@twister.nyroc.rr.com:

In article <A%htb.47014$xI2.1238030@news20.bellglobal.com>, "eric
davis" <ericdavis66@hotmail.com> wrote:

Canada welcomed the conscientious objectors, and most certainly will
in the future as well.


Friends will also assist people in obtaining Conscientious Objector
status.

(That's aka "Quakers", Tony).

Woods


I once wrote a recommendation for a friend who was applying for CO status.
He was accepted and within a few weeks was sent 300 miles away to clean
bathrooms in a hospital as "alternate" service.

Your point being ..... what, exactly?
Woods
.
User: "Flyfish"

Title: Re: The draft 17 Nov 2003 11:47:30 AM
(Woodswun) wrote in
news:wbvtb.88057$ji3.73362@twister.nyroc.rr.com:

In article <Xns94348AE501B42Flyfishnotherecom@130.133.1.4>, Flyfish
<Flyfish@google.com> wrote:

(Woodswun) wrote in
news:25rtb.87874$ji3.22556@twister.nyroc.rr.com:

In article <A%htb.47014$xI2.1238030@news20.bellglobal.com>, "eric
davis" <ericdavis66@hotmail.com> wrote:

Canada welcomed the conscientious objectors, and most certainly will
in the future as well.


Friends will also assist people in obtaining Conscientious Objector
status.

(That's aka "Quakers", Tony).

Woods


I once wrote a recommendation for a friend who was applying for CO
status. He was accepted and within a few weeks was sent 300 miles away
to clean bathrooms in a hospital as "alternate" service.


Your point being ..... what, exactly?

Woods

that legitimate CO's don't need to run to Canada.
Flyfish
--
"The difference between Congress and drunken sailors is that drunken
sailors are spending their own money."
-Rep. Tom Feeney (R.-Fla.), August 8, 2003.
.
User: "Grantland"

Title: Re: The draft 19 Nov 2003 07:30:13 PM
Flyfish <Flyfish@google.com> wrote:

woodswun@tepidmail.com (Woodswun) wrote

to clean bathrooms in a hospital as "alternate" service.


Your point being ..... what, exactly?

Woods


that legitimate CO's don't need to run to Canada.

Flyfish

...unless they don't like cleaning toilets for x years. ie "lets go!"
G
.

User: "Woodswun"

Title: Re: The draft 17 Nov 2003 05:35:45 PM
In article <Xns943683129D282Flyfishnotherecom@130.133.1.4>, Flyfish <Flyfish@google.com> wrote:

woodswun@tepidmail.com (Woodswun) wrote in
news:wbvtb.88057$ji3.73362@twister.nyroc.rr.com:

In article <Xns94348AE501B42Flyfishnotherecom@130.133.1.4>, Flyfish
<Flyfish@google.com> wrote:

woodswun@tepidmail.com (Woodswun) wrote in
news:25rtb.87874$ji3.22556@twister.nyroc.rr.com:

In article <A%htb.47014$xI2.1238030@news20.bellglobal.com>, "eric
davis" <ericdavis66@hotmail.com> wrote:

Canada welcomed the conscientious objectors, and most certainly will
in the future as well.


Friends will also assist people in obtaining Conscientious Objector
status.

(That's aka "Quakers", Tony).

Woods


I once wrote a recommendation for a friend who was applying for CO
status. He was accepted and within a few weeks was sent 300 miles away
to clean bathrooms in a hospital as "alternate" service.


Your point being ..... what, exactly?

Woods


that legitimate CO's don't need to run to Canada.

Ah. Well, depends on the timing. It was a whole lot easier to get CO status
early in the Viet Nam conflict than it was to get it during the end.
Woods
.






User: "Flyfish"

Title: Re: The draft 15 Nov 2003 08:17:26 AM
Charly the ***** <nitecrawler7@worldnet.att.net> wrote in
news:3FB5A8C1.994DE773@worldnet.att.net:

Flyfish wrote:

No opinion required. The elite, either liberal or conservative, have
always shirked, and will continue to do so, you expected something
different?

Since no draft exists it's at best a premature argument, at worst,
alarmist *****, another loon attempting to make hay out of
nothing.

Flyfish

--
"The difference between Congress and drunken sailors is that drunken
sailors are spending their own money."
-Rep. Tom Feeney (R.-Fla.), August 8, 2003.


Tell me something... are you old enough to have experienced The Draft?
I am, it was no fun at all. The Draft is an involuntary lottery. If
you 'win', you get to travel to exotic locales, meet interesting
people, and KILL THEM. If you refuse to play, then Men with Guns come
to your house and drag you away in cuffs and ship you off to someplace
even less fun than Boot Camp. A third of my senior class ended up on
The Wall, and my eligibility was late in the war, as it was 'winding
down'. Just something to think about...

This public lecture is interrupted by Flyfsh....
Like WOW MAN, coolness, you're old enough to experience the draft?
BFD.
It was an involuntary lottery for a while, before that it was a way to
prey on the poor and non-college-bound, as I said the elite both liberal
and conservative have always shirked.
Since I graduated from HS in 1971 I'd say yes, I'm old enough. Since I
served for 6 years in the USN, I'd say yes I know about military service.
Flyfish
--
"The difference between Congress and drunken sailors is that drunken
sailors are spending their own money."
-Rep. Tom Feeney (R.-Fla.), August 8, 2003.
.





User: ""

Title: Re: The draft 29 Oct 2003 06:47:45 AM
On 28 Oct 2003 13:13:39 -0800,
(Cali Smith
blythe) wrote:

http://www.prisonplanet.com/analysis_lorentz.html

Police State: Bringing Back the Draft
Al Lorentz October 26 2003

Your gonna need em.
"life is like a mushroom, they feed you ***** and keep you in the dark"
.


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