Ben Bernanke should be summarily executed for treason. But no matter
what happens to him on this earth, he will go down in history as a
criminal and the lowest of scoundrels and as one of those responsible
for the downward spiral of the republic and its eventual destruction.
On the abominable humans scale, he will fall somewhere between
Eichmann and Dietrich Eckhart. That might be underestimating
Bernanke's negative effect on humanity.
S~
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17 Jan 2008 07:22:11 AM |
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"shastaman@my-deja.com" <shastaman@my-deja.com> wrote in news:e892e3f7-
e02d-4c9c-bd5c-085aa35b0f00@q77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com:
Ben Bernanke should be summarily executed for treason. But no matter
what happens to him on this earth, he will go down in history as a
criminal and the lowest of scoundrels and as one of those responsible
for the downward spiral of the republic and its eventual destruction.
On the abominable humans scale, he will fall somewhere between
Eichmann and Dietrich Eckhart. That might be underestimating
Bernanke's negative effect on humanity.
S~
I'm sensing a little bit of dislike for old helicopter Ben Bernanke here.
You want him to inflate, and he's not doing it.. is that it ?
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20 Jan 2008 01:16:14 AM |
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On Jan 17, 8:22=A0am, Pers3id <pers...@anti-spam.comcast.net> wrote:
"shasta...@my-deja.com" <shasta...@my-deja.com> wrote in news:e892e3f7-
e02d-4c9c-bd5c-085aa35b0...@q77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com:
BenBernankeshould be summarily executed for treason. =A0But no matter
what happens to him on this earth, he will go down in history as a
criminal and the lowest of scoundrels and as one of those responsible
for the downward spiral of the republic and its eventual destruction.
On the abominable humans scale, he will fall somewhere between
Eichmann and Dietrich Eckhart. =A0That might be underestimating
Bernanke'snegative effect on humanity.
S~
I'm sensing a little bit of dislike for old helicopter BenBernankehere.
You want him to inflate, and he's not doing it.. is that it ?
No, I'd rather not see us kill the dollar. I'd rather not see the
most powerful man
in the country intentionally put out information that leads to scares.
And I certainly don't want to see money thrown out of helicopters.
Ben knows exactly what he's doing. It is intentional. He isn't
stupid.
He's serving those who want the US to move away from division of
powers and personal liberty/civil rights.
Check out some of the legislation we passed in 06...
The Warner Act....The Military Commissions Act
And earlier Patriot Acts 1 and 2...
Then look at Presidential Directive 51.
Then put them all together, and combine the result with the collapse
of the dollar.
S~
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20 Jan 2008 10:45:27 PM |
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"shastaman@my-deja.com" <shastaman@my-deja.com> wrote in news:d715152b-
72ed-40a9-8a68-d113ad7475ed@21g2000hsj.googlegroups.com:
On Jan 17, 8:22 am, Pers3id <pers...@anti-spam.comcast.net> wrote:
"shasta...@my-deja.com" <shasta...@my-deja.com> wrote in
news:e892e3f7-
e02d-4c9c-bd5c-085aa35b0...@q77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com:
BenBernankeshould be summarily executed for treason. But no matter
what happens to him on this earth, he will go down in history as a
criminal and the lowest of scoundrels and as one of those
responsible
for the downward spiral of the republic and its eventual
destruction.
On the abominable humans scale, he will fall somewhere between
Eichmann and Dietrich Eckhart. That might be underestimating
Bernanke'snegative effect on humanity.
S~
I'm sensing a little bit of dislike for old helicopter
BenBernankehere.
You want him to inflate, and he's not doing it.. is that it ?
No, I'd rather not see us kill the dollar.
The dollar's demise may already be a foregone conclusion. Blaming only
poor Ben B would be to miss some of the guiltiest culprits. I'm not sure
if Ben was even voting on the Fed decisions when they held rates so low
for so long to create this bubble.
I'd rather not see the
most powerful man
in the country intentionally put out information that leads to scares.
I think we're all just a bit too used to the riddles provided by Sir
Alan. Ben appears to speak much more plainly.
And I certainly don't want to see money thrown out of helicopters.
You mean like $800 per individual, $1600 per couple ? You may have to
blame the BushCheney for this.. and I'm certain that Henry <my Goldman
Sax buddies were creating the exotic loans at the same time we were
shorting the housing market> Paulson deserves some of the blame too.
Ben knows exactly what he's doing. It is intentional. He isn't
stupid.
He's serving those who want the US to move away from division of
powers and personal liberty/civil rights.
I wouldn't disagree with that statement. Keeping the Fed Funds rate
so low after we had emerged from recession in 2003 does appear to have
been intentional. The Fed central bank did this on purpose, but I highly
doubt the decision was made in a vacuum. I'm sure the fucked up
BushCheney was part of that decision.
Check out some of the legislation we passed in 06...
The Warner Act....The Military Commissions Act
And earlier Patriot Acts 1 and 2...
Then look at Presidential Directive 51.
Then put them all together, and combine the result with the collapse
of the dollar.
I'd love to hear your conclusions on this.. just give me the abridged
version and a few connections between the legislation and the effect of
a falling dollar.
What motivation would a guy like Darth Cheney have to undermine the US
currency, then convert his entire fortune into the Dubai currency and
buy a retirement mansion there (replete with a small army of guards) ?
S~
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20 Jan 2008 05:03:08 AM |
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wrote:
On Jan 17, 8:22=EF=BF=BDam, Pers3id <pers...@anti-spam.comcast.net> wrote:=
"shasta...@my-deja.com" <shasta...@my-deja.com> wrote in news:e892e3f7-
e02d-4c9c-bd5c-085aa35b0...@q77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com:
BenBernankeshould be summarily executed for treason. =EF=BF=BDBut no m=
atter
what happens to him on this earth, he will go down in history as a
criminal and the lowest of scoundrels and as one of those responsible
for the downward spiral of the republic and its eventual destruction.
On the abominable humans scale, he will fall somewhere between
Eichmann and Dietrich Eckhart. =EF=BF=BDThat might be underestimating
Bernanke'snegative effect on humanity.
S~
I'm sensing a little bit of dislike for old helicopter BenBernankehere.
You want him to inflate, and he's not doing it.. is that it ?
No, I'd rather not see us kill the dollar. I'd rather not see the
most powerful man
in the country intentionally put out information that leads to scares.
And I certainly don't want to see money thrown out of helicopters.
Ben knows exactly what he's doing. It is intentional. He isn't
stupid.
He's serving those who want the US to move away from division of
powers and personal liberty/civil rights.
Check out some of the legislation we passed in 06...
The Warner Act....The Military Commissions Act
And earlier Patriot Acts 1 and 2...
Then look at Presidential Directive 51.
Then put them all together, and combine the result with the collapse
of the dollar.
S~
Exactly.
Not ready to run for the hills just yet. Folks just need to keep
their eyes wide open and make some basic preparations.
Remember Gulf of Tonkin/Vietnam, exaggerated body counts, light at the
end of the tunnel/Tet offensive.
Remember "I am not a crook" and 1 major resignation and articles of
impeachment.
Remember Iran Contra and a cocaine epidemic.
Remember Enron and top management selling out, lying and covering
their asses while lower level employees lost virtually everything.
Remember an imminent threat in Iraq and the absence of WMD.
We now have very serious people embedded in the very foundations of
our economy warning about a 1929 style collapse, others warning about
a Dow at 6,000 by the end of the year, the dollar at .5200.
Catherine Crier, former talking head on ABC and FOX and Court TV,
former Texas district court judge who handled cases during the S&L
fiasco back in the 80's, was arguing about the economy with Tony Snow
on Bill Maher's show recently. She said our current situation was
worse than the thrift debacle 20 years ago. Said our leaders aren't
telling the people the complete truth. Said watch and see what's
going to happen this summer. The article I read about this exchange
said Tony Snow basically shut his mouth after this.
You start with a few threads and you pull on 'em.
Don't panic, just keep our eyes open, dig deep and hard and make good
moves.
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20 Jan 2008 09:51:34 AM |
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On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 03:03:08 -0800, John Lemke wrote:
shastaman@my-deja.com wrote:
On Jan 17, 8:22�am, Pers3id <pers...@anti-spam.comcast.net> wrote:
"shasta...@my-deja.com" <shasta...@my-deja.com> wrote in news:e892e3f7-
e02d-4c9c-bd5c-085aa35b0...@q77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com:
BenBernankeshould be summarily executed for treason. �But no matter
what happens to him on this earth, he will go down in history as a
criminal and the lowest of scoundrels and as one of those responsible
for the downward spiral of the republic and its eventual destruction.
On the abominable humans scale, he will fall somewhere between
Eichmann and Dietrich Eckhart. �That might be underestimating
Bernanke'snegative effect on humanity.
S~
I'm sensing a little bit of dislike for old helicopter BenBernankehere.
You want him to inflate, and he's not doing it.. is that it ?
No, I'd rather not see us kill the dollar. I'd rather not see the
most powerful man
in the country intentionally put out information that leads to scares.
And I certainly don't want to see money thrown out of helicopters.
Ben knows exactly what he's doing. It is intentional. He isn't
stupid.
He's serving those who want the US to move away from division of
powers and personal liberty/civil rights.
Check out some of the legislation we passed in 06...
The Warner Act....The Military Commissions Act
And earlier Patriot Acts 1 and 2...
Then look at Presidential Directive 51.
Then put them all together, and combine the result with the collapse
of the dollar.
S~
Exactly.
Not ready to run for the hills just yet. Folks just need to keep
their eyes wide open and make some basic preparations.
Oh, that sounds serious, John. I guess we'd better get ourselves some of
these -> http://boingboing.net/2007/10/18/hello-kitty-assault.html
:-D
Remember Gulf of Tonkin/Vietnam, exaggerated body counts, light at the
end of the tunnel/Tet offensive.
Remember "I am not a crook" and 1 major resignation and articles of
impeachment.
Remember Iran Contra and a cocaine epidemic.
Remember Enron and top management selling out, lying and covering their
asses while lower level employees lost virtually everything.
Remember an imminent threat in Iraq and the absence of WMD.
We now have very serious people embedded in the very foundations of our
economy warning about a 1929 style collapse, others warning about a Dow
at 6,000 by the end of the year, the dollar at .5200.
Gee, maybe I should start thinking about rearranging my investment
portfolio ....
BTW, did you notice that we're no longer allowed to purchase any more than
$5,000 worth of Savings Bonds per year? Apparently, Bush didn't like the
Government "competing" for investors with other, less secure, bonds.
Catherine Crier, former talking head on ABC and FOX and Court TV, former
Texas district court judge who handled cases during the S&L fiasco back
in the 80's, was arguing about the economy with Tony Snow on Bill
Maher's show recently. She said our current situation was worse than
the thrift debacle 20 years ago. Said our leaders aren't telling the
people the complete truth. Said watch and see what's going to happen
this summer. The article I read about this exchange said Tony Snow
basically shut his mouth after this.
You start with a few threads and you pull on 'em.
Don't panic, just keep our eyes open, dig deep and hard and make good
moves.
And grow your own food -> johnnysselectedseeds.com
Woods
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20 Jan 2008 04:26:48 PM |
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On Jan 20, 10:51=A0am, Woodswun <woods...@tepidmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 03:03:08 -0800, John Lemke wrote:
=2E
Not ready to run for the hills just yet. =A0Folks just need to keep
their eyes wide open and make some basic preparations.
Oh, that sounds serious, John. =A0I guess we'd better get ourselves some o=
f
these ->http://boingboing.net/2007/10/18/hello-kitty-assault.html
:-D
We're thinking in the same terms, Woods. Got my daughter in law one
of those for Christmas. No cheap $350.00 Romanian Ak's for us. Got
her a matching BOB to go with it.
We now have very serious people embedded in the very foundations of our
economy warning about a 1929 style collapse, others warning about a Dow
at 6,000 by the end of the year, the dollar at .5200.
Gee, maybe I should start thinking about rearranging my investment
portfolio ....
My son's already moved into European mutual funds. I hope that helps.
BTW, did you notice that we're no longer allowed to purchase any more than=
$5,000 worth of Savings Bonds per year? =A0Apparently, Bush didn't like th=
e
Government "competing" for investors with other, less secure, bonds.
Hmmmmm, no I didn't know that.
And grow your own food -> johnnysselectedseeds.com
Woods
Wonderful idea, kill it too. :-) Homegrown 'maters, dried venison
and possum. Gonna live like my grandparents lived. Can't wait.
Thanks for the link.
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21 Jan 2008 08:58:25 AM |
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On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 14:26:48 -0800, John Lemke wrote:
On Jan 20, 10:51Â am, Woodswun <woods...@tepidmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 03:03:08 -0800, John Lemke wrote:
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Not ready to run for the hills just yet. Â Folks just need to keep
their eyes wide open and make some basic preparations.
Oh, that sounds serious, John. Â I guess we'd better get ourselves some of
these ->http://boingboing.net/2007/10/18/hello-kitty-assault.html
:-D
We're thinking in the same terms, Woods. Got my daughter in law one
of those for Christmas. No cheap $350.00 Romanian Ak's for us. Got
her a matching BOB to go with it.
OMG - I bet she loved it! LOL! I'm putting that on my birthday list.
We now have very serious people embedded in the very foundations of our
economy warning about a 1929 style collapse, others warning about a Dow
at 6,000 by the end of the year, the dollar at .5200.
Gee, maybe I should start thinking about rearranging my investment
portfolio ....
My son's already moved into European mutual funds. I hope that helps.
I only have half in overseas investments, but I'm thinking about moving
the rest to something more secure. For cash, gold ingots are a good hedge
against inflation - they aren't recorded, and they retain their relative
value better than money.
BTW, did you notice that we're no longer allowed to purchase any more
than $5,000 worth of Savings Bonds per year? Â Apparently, Bush didn't
like the Government "competing" for investors with other, less secure,
bonds.
Hmmmmm, no I didn't know that.
And grow your own food -> johnnysselectedseeds.com
Woods
Wonderful idea, kill it too. :-) Homegrown 'maters, dried venison and
possum. Gonna live like my grandparents lived. Can't wait.
Thanks for the link.
I love Johnny's Selected Seeds. They don't have as much of the heritage
seed as they used to, but their quality is excellent. I find that, for
me, the germination rates are slightly higher than what they state.
Woods
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22 Jan 2008 09:26:15 AM |
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On Jan 21, 9:58=A0am, Woodswun <woods...@tepidmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 14:26:48 -0800, John Lemke wrote:
On Jan 20, 10:51=A0am, Woodswun <woods...@tepidmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 03:03:08 -0800, John Lemke wrote:
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Not ready to run for the hills just yet. =A0Folks just need to keep
their eyes wide open and make some basic preparations.
We're thinking in the same terms, Woods. =A0Got my daughter in law one
of those for Christmas. =A0No cheap $350.00 Romanian Ak's for us. Got
her a matching BOB to go with it.
OMG - I bet she loved it! =A0LOL! =A0I'm putting that on my birthday list.=
We must be well armed AND fashionable.
My son's already moved into European mutual funds. I hope that helps.
I only have half in overseas investments, but I'm thinking about moving
the rest to something more secure. =A0For cash, gold ingots are a good hed=
ge
against inflation - they aren't recorded, and they retain their relative
value better than money.
Indeed. Silver in smallish coins in case paper flops altogether for a
short period of time.
I'm investing in tangibles quite a bit. Canned goods and
ammunition.
:-)
I love Johnny's Selected Seeds. =A0They don't have as much of the heritage=
seed as they used to, but their quality is excellent. =A0I find that, for
me, the germination rates are slightly higher than what they state.
Most excellent. Here's to the old ways that got our parents and
grandparents thru the Depression.
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22 Jan 2008 09:04:05 AM |
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On Jan 17, 8:22=A0am, Pers3id <pers...@anti-spam.comcast.net> wrote:
"shasta...@my-deja.com" <shasta...@my-deja.com> wrote in news:e892e3f7-
e02d-4c9c-bd5c-085aa35b0...@q77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com:
You want him to inflate, and he's not doing it.. is that it ?
Yes!!!!!!! Amen and amen!!!!
http://money.cnn.com/2008/01/18/news/economy/cure.fortune/index.htm?postvers=
ion=3D2008012107
Will the cure be worse than the disease?
Politicians are scrambling to offer a stimulus package, and Fed
Chairman Ben Bernanke is slashing interest rates. But they may be
paving the way for a bigger calamity down the road.
By Shawn Tully, editor at large
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22 Jan 2008 09:08:37 PM |
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John Lemke <jflemke@locallink.net> wrote in
news:fefa9581-3e7c-4801-afc7-90a52099df20@u10g2000prn.googlegroups.com:
On Jan 17, 8:22 am, Pers3id <pers...@anti-spam.comcast.net> wrote:
"shasta...@my-deja.com" <shasta...@my-deja.com> wrote in
news:e892e3f7-
e02d-4c9c-bd5c-085aa35b0...@q77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com:
You want him to inflate, and he's not doing it.. is that it ?
Yes!!!!!!! Amen and amen!!!!
http://money.cnn.com/2008/01/18/news/economy/cure.fortune/index.htm?pos
tversion=2008012107
Will the cure be worse than the disease?
Indeed, I saw that article. Here, check this one out from the
Prudent Bear:
http://prudentbear.com/index.php/BearsLairHome/33-BearLair/4920-the-snare-
of-stimulus
According to these guys the Fed has been inflating from the very start
of this crisis, back in August 2007, and inflation is currently running
at 5+ percent.. worse yet, they're predicting inflation of 10-15 % in
the next decade (yes, it's back to the good old 1970's).
The idea is push wages up (inflation) to meet the falling house
prices (deflation), and when they meet, that's when the economic
activity starts up again... the downside is inflation takes root once
again, and it's a very tough beast to tether once it is let loose.
The truth is inflation is the only real choice for the Fed. Our gov't
has such large liabilities that these future liabilities MUST be paid
with devalued dollars (the inflation scenario). If the dollar's value
is increasing over time (the deflation scenario) then the govt's booked
liabilities become astronomical in the future. Here's an article which
explains this.
http://www.seekingalpha.com/article/60261-all-signs-point-to-more-inflation
They're creating another bubble. They can flood the place with money and
credit, but they can't determine where that money is going to flow..
probably it'll be oil or agricultural commodities.
Politicians are scrambling to offer a stimulus package, and Fed
Chairman Ben Bernanke is slashing interest rates. But they may be
paving the way for a bigger calamity down the road.
By Shawn Tully, editor at large
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17 Jan 2008 01:31:06 AM |
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On Jan 17, 2:13=A0am, "shasta...@my-deja.com" <shasta...@my-deja.com>
wrote:
Ben Bernanke should be summarily executed for treason. =A0But no matter
what happens to him on this earth, he will go down in history as a
criminal and the lowest of scoundrels and as one of those responsible
for the downward spiral of the republic and its eventual destruction.
On the abominable humans scale, he will fall somewhere between
Eichmann and Dietrich Eckhart. =A0That might be underestimating
Bernanke's negative effect on humanity.
S~
I posted a few tonight. Google tends to tailor its sponsored links
toward the subject of the post.
Oddly, the sponsored links for the above post were all in Arabic at
first.
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17 Jan 2008 06:08:37 AM |
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On 17 Jan, 07:31, "shasta...@my-deja.com" <shasta...@my-deja.com>
wrote:
Oddly, the sponsored links for the above post were all in Arabic at
first.
Heya Shast!!!
Long time, it's nice to see you are still around. Those Google
promotional side links are often quite funny, and seem to be in Arabic
more and more these days.
One of the 'joy's' of the groups...glancing at the links and seeing
how they deviate from the subject, skirting it and changing the
meaning.
We have our own resident expert at that. He calls himself Steven
Douglas.
Werewolfy
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17 Jan 2008 07:33:00 AM |
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On Jan 17, 2:13=A0am, "shasta...@my-deja.com" <shasta...@my-deja.com>
wrote:
Ben Bernanke should be summarily executed for treason. =A0But no matter
what happens to him on this earth, he will go down in history as a
criminal and the lowest of scoundrels and as one of those responsible
for the downward spiral of the republic and its eventual destruction.
On the abominable humans scale, he will fall somewhere between
Eichmann and Dietrich Eckhart. =A0That might be underestimating
Bernanke's negative effect on humanity.
S~
The education of Ben Bernanke:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/20/magazine/20Ben-Bernanke-t.html?_r=3D1&ref=
=3Dmagazine&oref=3Dslogin
Paul Voelker is of the opinion that there's little Bernanke can do
about the current situation. We're beyond using interest rates and
money manipulation to fix things.
Go back to Greenspan and others who supported the creation of the
massive real estate bubble that's now bursting. Two pillars of the
economy near collapse. Financial institutions contracting and the
ongoing fall of home values. Then you've got this foundation of cards
supporting the $770 trillion derivatives markets.
Complete collapse? Nobody knows how deep this goes yet. It may take
six more months to accurately project anything. But there will be a
bumpy ride ahead at the very least.
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17 Jan 2008 08:33:19 AM |
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John Lemke <jflemke@locallink.net> wrote in
news:e8804524-799c-4f34-9a2d-0f7cc4ecdbd3@d4g2000prg.googlegroups.com:
On Jan 17, 2:13 am, "shasta...@my-deja.com" <shasta...@my-deja.com>
wrote:
Ben Bernanke should be summarily executed for treason. But no matter
what happens to him on this earth, he will go down in history as a
criminal and the lowest of scoundrels and as one of those responsible
for the downward spiral of the republic and its eventual destruction.
On the abominable humans scale, he will fall somewhere between
Eichmann and Dietrich Eckhart. That might be underestimating
Bernanke's negative effect on humanity.
S~
The education of Ben Bernanke:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/20/magazine/20Ben-Bernanke-t.html?_r=1&r
ef=magazine&oref=slogin
Paul Voelker is of the opinion that there's little Bernanke can do
All roads do appear to be leading us to massive deflation.
Here is a disconcerting article you may want to read, concerning how
badly this has destroyed the Japanese economy.
http://www.seekingalpha.com/article/60261-all-signs-point-to-more-inflation
The Fed may WANT to inflate us out of this, but I don't think they can
pull it off.. the housing market is just too big, and now suddenly banks,
corporations, and individuals are all working *against* the Fed to
eliminate debt, destroy credit. It's the biggest irony of all time.
about the current situation. We're beyond using interest rates and
money manipulation to fix things.
Go back to Greenspan and others who supported the creation of the
massive real estate bubble that's now bursting. Two pillars of the
economy near collapse. Financial institutions contracting and the
ongoing fall of home values. Then you've got this foundation of cards
supporting the $770 trillion derivatives markets.
That's a really big number.
$770,000,000,000,000
But hey, you know, a trillion here and a trillion there does add up
after a while.
Complete collapse? Nobody knows how deep this goes yet. It may take
six more months to accurately project anything. But there will be a
bumpy ride ahead at the very least.
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