Islam requires world domination. The conservative people of the USA stand
in the way of that goal in the short term. The EU is no problem to them as
they already can dictate which Islamic laws they want in many EU countries.
Several cities in the USA are already under their influence. The largest
are Portland OR & Dearborn MI.
They have quietly spread to all countries & with the high birth rate & never
assimilating into the adopted countries culture they will eventually
dominate as shown in the EU.
Ever Muslim country has a war going with a non-Muslim neighboring country.
At the present rate of progress by 2050 there will be two nations left for
the final war. That will be China & the United Nations of Islam. China
will include most of Russia's eastern part that is rich in natural
resources.
Peace & Love is their propaganda to the Liberals.
Z
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| User: "Z" |
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18 Jan 2005 09:23:28 AM |
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This logic seems to be A=B and B=C then C not equal A
That is Muslim logic.
Z
"tw" <no@no.com> wrote in message
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"Chas" <chasclementsSPOOF@comcast.net> wrote in message
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"tw" <no@no.com> wrote
Actually, it's the history of the rise of Islam.
Actually.. it isn't. Otherwise we'd all be either a) Muslims or b)
Dead.
They're not finished.
Even in their own countries? Reality does not support your assertion.
Jews teach 'observance' of the law, not compulsory submission.
Ditto Islam.
Nope;
Submit or die.
Recite or die.
Nope, How come there are plenty of non-muslims alive and well in Muslim
lands?
"Onward Christian soldiers" anyone? the reality is, Christianity has
been
forced on PLENTY of people,
the Roman Empire was- that was a facet of Rome that predates
Christianity
by
centuries.
I think that hymn postdates the Roman Empire by a fair few years..
Mostly, Christian missionaries bring pump organs, pie and medicine.
LOL! Try telling that to the Aztecs, Incas Native Americans, Australian
Aborigines etc etc.
I don't recall Islamic conquistadors, for
example.
Then you're woefully ignorant of the movement East through Northern
India,
SEAsia, the Malay Peninsula, Indonesian Archipelago and up to the
Southern
Filipines.
Nothing like the same scale, but all it proves is that each is as bad as
the
other. My point exactly.
You think opposing abortion or disapproving of homosexuality is now
illegal?
Sure is against the 'protected classes'- and the laws about protesting
abortion are as restrictive of free speech as anything in our history.
Please cite the law which says being in opposition to abortion or
homosexuality is illegal.
What would you counsel be done with illegal combatants?
They are not illegal combatants until they have been tried.
Who would you have try them, and under what legal model?
Military tribunals. Until then, they get POW status.
Remember that the Accords would allow them to be shot out of hand for
not
being in uniform, or agents of a nation-state.
Only after being tried by a competent military tribunal. It is obviuos
that
many peopel were , and still are, being held in Guantanamo despite having
commited no crime or being anywhere near a battlefield.
Civilised countries don't extradite criminal suspects to countries
where
they may face the death penalty or torture.
So their law trumps law in other countries-
same as us.
Civilised countries don't extradite criminal suspects to countries where
they may face the death penalty or torture.
So you approve of imprisonment without trial and torture of *suspects*
What 'suspects'?
the detainees were taken on the battlefield, by and large.
Plenty weren't.
The others can be
held as material witnesses if nothing else.
i.e. They have commited no crimes.
Physical compulsion isn't illegal
So you think Spc Graner is being imprisoned illegally?
- torture is a whole nother level of event.
I don't know what standard you are trying to apply- and I don't think
you
do
either.
Ask Tom Ridge:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4175713.stm
see. Are you a christian, by the way? I can't see much difference
between
your thinking and that of some murderous Muslim extremist so far.
That's because you're stupid-
Perhaps, but nowhere near as stupid as your arguments. See above -
imprisonment without trial and torture for your political enemies.. sounds
an awful lot like "convert to my way of thinking or I'll kill you" to me.
no offense.
None taken.
Well, seeing as you made the assertion that "Ever(sic) Muslim country
has
a
war going with a non-Muslim neighboring country." I would have
thought
you'd know the answer to that one.
And not surprised that you don't.
Ah, but I do. You see Chas, your statement is rather daft on two levels.
Let's parse your sentence "Ever(sic) Muslim country has a war going with
a
non-Muslim neighboring country."
1) (What is every Muslim country doing?)
"Ever (sic) Muslim country has a war going "
2) (Who do they have a war going with?)
"with a non-Muslim neighboring country."
Now,
1) is obviously false as I pointed out several muslim countries which
aren't
at war with anyone.
2) Is obviously false because not every Muslim country borders a
non-Muslim
one.
Your assertion was rather..well... stupid, wasn't it?
Even if we give you enormous benefit of the doubt and assume you meant
"every Muslim country which borders a on-Muslim country is at war with
that
bordering non-muslim country" you are still quite obviously wrong. Neither
Turkey nor Egypt are currently at war with anyone and both of them norder
non-Musoim countries.
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| User: "tw" |
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| Title: Re: The future |
18 Jan 2005 09:31:20 AM |
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"Z" <Z@freeDamn.net> wrote in message news:JU9Hd.12187$y87.9463@fe04.lga...
This logic seems to be A=B and B=C then C not equal A
Care to explain? Care to actually address the points made in the post?
That is Muslim logic.
Foolish bigot. Islam is no more or less illogical than any other bizarre
belief in magical sky-pixies ruling your world.
Z
"tw" <no@no.com> wrote in message
news:csijg9$s75$1@newstree.wise.edt.ericsson.se...
"Chas" <chasclementsSPOOF@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:fLCdnRpXvvYXnHHcRVn-3Q@comcast.com...
"tw" <no@no.com> wrote
Actually, it's the history of the rise of Islam.
Actually.. it isn't. Otherwise we'd all be either a) Muslims or b)
Dead.
They're not finished.
Even in their own countries? Reality does not support your assertion.
Jews teach 'observance' of the law, not compulsory submission.
Ditto Islam.
Nope;
Submit or die.
Recite or die.
Nope, How come there are plenty of non-muslims alive and well in Muslim
lands?
"Onward Christian soldiers" anyone? the reality is, Christianity has
been
forced on PLENTY of people,
the Roman Empire was- that was a facet of Rome that predates
Christianity
by
centuries.
I think that hymn postdates the Roman Empire by a fair few years..
Mostly, Christian missionaries bring pump organs, pie and medicine.
LOL! Try telling that to the Aztecs, Incas Native Americans, Australian
Aborigines etc etc.
I don't recall Islamic conquistadors, for
example.
Then you're woefully ignorant of the movement East through Northern
India,
SEAsia, the Malay Peninsula, Indonesian Archipelago and up to the
Southern
Filipines.
Nothing like the same scale, but all it proves is that each is as bad as
the
other. My point exactly.
You think opposing abortion or disapproving of homosexuality is now
illegal?
Sure is against the 'protected classes'- and the laws about protesting
abortion are as restrictive of free speech as anything in our history.
Please cite the law which says being in opposition to abortion or
homosexuality is illegal.
What would you counsel be done with illegal combatants?
They are not illegal combatants until they have been tried.
Who would you have try them, and under what legal model?
Military tribunals. Until then, they get POW status.
Remember that the Accords would allow them to be shot out of hand for
not
being in uniform, or agents of a nation-state.
Only after being tried by a competent military tribunal. It is obviuos
that
many peopel were , and still are, being held in Guantanamo despite
having
commited no crime or being anywhere near a battlefield.
Civilised countries don't extradite criminal suspects to countries
where
they may face the death penalty or torture.
So their law trumps law in other countries-
same as us.
Civilised countries don't extradite criminal suspects to countries where
they may face the death penalty or torture.
So you approve of imprisonment without trial and torture of
*suspects*
What 'suspects'?
the detainees were taken on the battlefield, by and large.
Plenty weren't.
The others can be
held as material witnesses if nothing else.
i.e. They have commited no crimes.
Physical compulsion isn't illegal
So you think Spc Graner is being imprisoned illegally?
- torture is a whole nother level of event.
I don't know what standard you are trying to apply- and I don't think
you
do
either.
Ask Tom Ridge:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4175713.stm
see. Are you a christian, by the way? I can't see much difference
between
your thinking and that of some murderous Muslim extremist so far.
That's because you're stupid-
Perhaps, but nowhere near as stupid as your arguments. See above -
imprisonment without trial and torture for your political enemies..
sounds
an awful lot like "convert to my way of thinking or I'll kill you" to
me.
no offense.
None taken.
Well, seeing as you made the assertion that "Ever(sic) Muslim
country
has
a
war going with a non-Muslim neighboring country." I would have
thought
you'd know the answer to that one.
And not surprised that you don't.
Ah, but I do. You see Chas, your statement is rather daft on two levels.
Let's parse your sentence "Ever(sic) Muslim country has a war going
with
a
non-Muslim neighboring country."
1) (What is every Muslim country doing?)
"Ever (sic) Muslim country has a war going "
2) (Who do they have a war going with?)
"with a non-Muslim neighboring country."
Now,
1) is obviously false as I pointed out several muslim countries which
aren't
at war with anyone.
2) Is obviously false because not every Muslim country borders a
non-Muslim
one.
Your assertion was rather..well... stupid, wasn't it?
Even if we give you enormous benefit of the doubt and assume you meant
"every Muslim country which borders a on-Muslim country is at war with
that
bordering non-muslim country" you are still quite obviously wrong.
Neither
Turkey nor Egypt are currently at war with anyone and both of them
norder
non-Musoim countries.
.
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| User: "Z" |
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| Title: Re: The future |
19 Jan 2005 07:29:47 AM |
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"tw" <no@no.com> wrote in message
news:csj9sb$b3g$1@newstree.wise.edt.ericsson.se...
"Z" <Z@freeDamn.net> wrote in message
news:JU9Hd.12187$y87.9463@fe04.lga...
This logic seems to be A=B and B=C then C not equal A
Care to explain? Care to actually address the points made in the post?
That is Muslim logic.
Foolish bigot. Islam is no more or less illogical than any other bizarre
belief in magical sky-pixies ruling your world.
That is the logic teachings from birth.
Westerners are rich, we are poor therefore they caused us to be poor. It is
correct to kill them.
They are just like the Liberal/Leftist in the west. Always blame someone
else for you problems, never take responsibility for their own actions.
Z
Z
Z
"tw" <no@no.com> wrote in message
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"Chas" <chasclementsSPOOF@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:fLCdnRpXvvYXnHHcRVn-3Q@comcast.com...
"tw" <no@no.com> wrote
Actually, it's the history of the rise of Islam.
Actually.. it isn't. Otherwise we'd all be either a) Muslims or b)
Dead.
They're not finished.
Even in their own countries? Reality does not support your assertion.
Jews teach 'observance' of the law, not compulsory submission.
Ditto Islam.
Nope;
Submit or die.
Recite or die.
Nope, How come there are plenty of non-muslims alive and well in
Muslim
lands?
"Onward Christian soldiers" anyone? the reality is, Christianity
has
been
forced on PLENTY of people,
the Roman Empire was- that was a facet of Rome that predates
Christianity
by
centuries.
I think that hymn postdates the Roman Empire by a fair few years..
Mostly, Christian missionaries bring pump organs, pie and medicine.
LOL! Try telling that to the Aztecs, Incas Native Americans,
Australian
Aborigines etc etc.
I don't recall Islamic conquistadors, for
example.
Then you're woefully ignorant of the movement East through Northern
India,
SEAsia, the Malay Peninsula, Indonesian Archipelago and up to the
Southern
Filipines.
Nothing like the same scale, but all it proves is that each is as bad
as
the
other. My point exactly.
You think opposing abortion or disapproving of homosexuality is
now
illegal?
Sure is against the 'protected classes'- and the laws about
protesting
abortion are as restrictive of free speech as anything in our
history.
Please cite the law which says being in opposition to abortion or
homosexuality is illegal.
What would you counsel be done with illegal combatants?
They are not illegal combatants until they have been tried.
Who would you have try them, and under what legal model?
Military tribunals. Until then, they get POW status.
Remember that the Accords would allow them to be shot out of hand
for
not
being in uniform, or agents of a nation-state.
Only after being tried by a competent military tribunal. It is obviuos
that
many peopel were , and still are, being held in Guantanamo despite
having
commited no crime or being anywhere near a battlefield.
Civilised countries don't extradite criminal suspects to countries
where
they may face the death penalty or torture.
So their law trumps law in other countries-
same as us.
Civilised countries don't extradite criminal suspects to countries
where
they may face the death penalty or torture.
So you approve of imprisonment without trial and torture of
*suspects*
What 'suspects'?
the detainees were taken on the battlefield, by and large.
Plenty weren't.
The others can be
held as material witnesses if nothing else.
i.e. They have commited no crimes.
Physical compulsion isn't illegal
So you think Spc Graner is being imprisoned illegally?
- torture is a whole nother level of event.
I don't know what standard you are trying to apply- and I don't
think
you
do
either.
Ask Tom Ridge:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4175713.stm
see. Are you a christian, by the way? I can't see much difference
between
your thinking and that of some murderous Muslim extremist so far.
That's because you're stupid-
Perhaps, but nowhere near as stupid as your arguments. See above -
imprisonment without trial and torture for your political enemies..
sounds
an awful lot like "convert to my way of thinking or I'll kill you" to
me.
no offense.
None taken.
Well, seeing as you made the assertion that "Ever(sic) Muslim
country
has
a
war going with a non-Muslim neighboring country." I would have
thought
you'd know the answer to that one.
And not surprised that you don't.
Ah, but I do. You see Chas, your statement is rather daft on two
levels.
Let's parse your sentence "Ever(sic) Muslim country has a war going
with
a
non-Muslim neighboring country."
1) (What is every Muslim country doing?)
"Ever (sic) Muslim country has a war going "
2) (Who do they have a war going with?)
"with a non-Muslim neighboring country."
Now,
1) is obviously false as I pointed out several muslim countries which
aren't
at war with anyone.
2) Is obviously false because not every Muslim country borders a
non-Muslim
one.
Your assertion was rather..well... stupid, wasn't it?
Even if we give you enormous benefit of the doubt and assume you meant
"every Muslim country which borders a on-Muslim country is at war with
that
bordering non-muslim country" you are still quite obviously wrong.
Neither
Turkey nor Egypt are currently at war with anyone and both of them
norder
non-Musoim countries.
.
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| User: "tw" |
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| Title: Re: The future |
19 Jan 2005 07:54:31 AM |
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"Z" <Z@freeDamn.net> wrote in message news:IrtHd.3$ae6.0@fe03.lga...
"tw" <no@no.com> wrote in message
news:csj9sb$b3g$1@newstree.wise.edt.ericsson.se...
"Z" <Z@freeDamn.net> wrote in message
news:JU9Hd.12187$y87.9463@fe04.lga...
This logic seems to be A=B and B=C then C not equal A
Care to explain? Care to actually address the points made in the post?
How surprising, you can't...
That is Muslim logic.
Foolish bigot. Islam is no more or less illogical than any other bizarre
belief in magical sky-pixies ruling your world.
That is the logic teachings from birth.
Try to write intelligible sentences, there's a good chap.
Westerners are rich, we are poor therefore they caused us to be poor. It
is
correct to kill them.
They are just like the Liberal/Leftist in the west. Always blame someone
else for you problems, never take responsibility for their own actions.
I can't say I've seen that to be any more prevalent among "leftists" or
"liberals" than among any other political orientation. It DOES seem to be
more prevalent amongst fervent adherents to organised religions though,
whatever their stripe.
Z
Z
Z
"tw" <no@no.com> wrote in message
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"Chas" <chasclementsSPOOF@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:fLCdnRpXvvYXnHHcRVn-3Q@comcast.com...
"tw" <no@no.com> wrote
Actually, it's the history of the rise of Islam.
Actually.. it isn't. Otherwise we'd all be either a) Muslims or
b)
Dead.
They're not finished.
Even in their own countries? Reality does not support your
assertion.
Jews teach 'observance' of the law, not compulsory submission.
Ditto Islam.
Nope;
Submit or die.
Recite or die.
Nope, How come there are plenty of non-muslims alive and well in
Muslim
lands?
"Onward Christian soldiers" anyone? the reality is, Christianity
has
been
forced on PLENTY of people,
the Roman Empire was- that was a facet of Rome that predates
Christianity
by
centuries.
I think that hymn postdates the Roman Empire by a fair few years..
Mostly, Christian missionaries bring pump organs, pie and
medicine.
LOL! Try telling that to the Aztecs, Incas Native Americans,
Australian
Aborigines etc etc.
I don't recall Islamic conquistadors, for
example.
Then you're woefully ignorant of the movement East through
Northern
India,
SEAsia, the Malay Peninsula, Indonesian Archipelago and up to the
Southern
Filipines.
Nothing like the same scale, but all it proves is that each is as
bad
as
the
other. My point exactly.
You think opposing abortion or disapproving of homosexuality is
now
illegal?
Sure is against the 'protected classes'- and the laws about
protesting
abortion are as restrictive of free speech as anything in our
history.
Please cite the law which says being in opposition to abortion or
homosexuality is illegal.
What would you counsel be done with illegal combatants?
They are not illegal combatants until they have been tried.
Who would you have try them, and under what legal model?
Military tribunals. Until then, they get POW status.
Remember that the Accords would allow them to be shot out of hand
for
not
being in uniform, or agents of a nation-state.
Only after being tried by a competent military tribunal. It is
obviuos
that
many peopel were , and still are, being held in Guantanamo despite
having
commited no crime or being anywhere near a battlefield.
Civilised countries don't extradite criminal suspects to
countries
where
they may face the death penalty or torture.
So their law trumps law in other countries-
same as us.
Civilised countries don't extradite criminal suspects to countries
where
they may face the death penalty or torture.
So you approve of imprisonment without trial and torture of
*suspects*
What 'suspects'?
the detainees were taken on the battlefield, by and large.
Plenty weren't.
The others can be
held as material witnesses if nothing else.
i.e. They have commited no crimes.
Physical compulsion isn't illegal
So you think Spc Graner is being imprisoned illegally?
- torture is a whole nother level of event.
I don't know what standard you are trying to apply- and I don't
think
you
do
either.
Ask Tom Ridge:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4175713.stm
see. Are you a christian, by the way? I can't see much
difference
between
your thinking and that of some murderous Muslim extremist so
far.
That's because you're stupid-
Perhaps, but nowhere near as stupid as your arguments. See above -
imprisonment without trial and torture for your political enemies..
sounds
an awful lot like "convert to my way of thinking or I'll kill you"
to
me.
no offense.
None taken.
Well, seeing as you made the assertion that "Ever(sic) Muslim
country
has
a
war going with a non-Muslim neighboring country." I would have
thought
you'd know the answer to that one.
And not surprised that you don't.
Ah, but I do. You see Chas, your statement is rather daft on two
levels.
Let's parse your sentence "Ever(sic) Muslim country has a war going
with
a
non-Muslim neighboring country."
1) (What is every Muslim country doing?)
"Ever (sic) Muslim country has a war going "
2) (Who do they have a war going with?)
"with a non-Muslim neighboring country."
Now,
1) is obviously false as I pointed out several muslim countries
which
aren't
at war with anyone.
2) Is obviously false because not every Muslim country borders a
non-Muslim
one.
Your assertion was rather..well... stupid, wasn't it?
Even if we give you enormous benefit of the doubt and assume you
meant
"every Muslim country which borders a on-Muslim country is at war
with
that
bordering non-muslim country" you are still quite obviously wrong.
Neither
Turkey nor Egypt are currently at war with anyone and both of them
norder
non-Musoim countries.
.
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| User: "Absolute Zero" |
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| Title: Re: The future |
17 Jan 2005 08:43:55 AM |
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Z wrote:
Islam requires world domination. The conservative people of the USA stand
in the way of that goal in the short term. The EU is no problem to them as
they already can dictate which Islamic laws they want in many EU countries.
Oh, you mean like France's recent ban on the headscarf and other
conspicuous religious signs?
Several cities in the USA are already under their influence. The largest
are Portland OR & Dearborn MI.
They have quietly spread to all countries & with the high birth rate & never
assimilating into the adopted countries culture they will eventually
dominate as shown in the EU.
What's your definition of assimilation, becoming Christian?
Ever Muslim country has a war going with a non-Muslim neighboring country.
Like Turkey?
(for example)
At the present rate of progress by 2050 there will be two nations left for
the final war. That will be China & the United Nations of Islam. China
will include most of Russia's eastern part that is rich in natural
resources.
Peace & Love is their propaganda to the Liberals.
Congrats to Tim Berners-Lee, ignorance and stupidity are no bar to
internet access.
-A
Z
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| User: "Chas" |
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17 Jan 2005 08:55:34 AM |
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"Absolute Zero" <amycaton@hotmail.com> wrote
Ever Muslim country has a war going with a non-Muslim neighboring
country.
Like Turkey?
(for example)
What non-muslim country does Turkey border?
Chas
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| User: "Dave D" |
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| Title: Re: The future |
17 Jan 2005 09:34:36 AM |
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"Chas" <chasclementsSPOOF@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:Dq2dnUaodI5-THbcRVn-vA@comcast.com...
"Absolute Zero" <amycaton@hotmail.com> wrote
Ever Muslim country has a war going with a non-Muslim neighboring
country.
Like Turkey?
(for example)
What non-muslim country does Turkey border?
It borders two European countries, Bulgaria and Greece, neither of which are
Muslim.
It also borders Armenia, (Christian) Azerbaijan, (officially secular) and
Georgia (Christian), which has seen violence by orthodox Christians against
other beliefs.
It also borders Iran, Iraq and Syria which are 'Muslim', although until the
invasion Iraq had a secular government.
Dave
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| User: "Chas" |
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| Title: Re: The future |
17 Jan 2005 10:10:47 AM |
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"Dave D" <dave-d@dave-d.com> wrote
What non-muslim country does Turkey border?
It borders two European countries, Bulgaria and Greece, neither of which
are
Muslim.
They've been at war with Greece for centuries, and Bulgaria is as much
muslim as anything else. The whole Balkan problem is the meeting of Islam
with anything else.
It also borders Armenia, (Christian) Azerbaijan, (officially secular) and
Georgia (Christian), which has seen violence by orthodox Christians
against
other beliefs.
'Armenian Turks' set a standard for oppressive Muslim occupation, and the
southern reaches of the old SovUn have internecine religious conflicts going
on as we speak. The invasion of the Balkan states by Islam has been going on
for centuries as well.
It also borders Iran, Iraq and Syria which are 'Muslim', although until
the
invasion Iraq had a secular government.
Saddam had his ***** in the air, whining for help from the mujahideen, as soon
as it became politic. Turkey has had a conflict with the Kurds as well-
muslim though they be.
Chas
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| User: "R. Foreman" |
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18 Jan 2005 12:51:01 AM |
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"Chas" <chasclementsSPOOF@comcast.net> Spat the Words
"Dave D" <dave-d@dave-d.com> wrote
What non-muslim country does Turkey border?
It borders two European countries, Bulgaria and Greece, neither of
which are
Muslim.
They've been at war with Greece for centuries, and Bulgaria is as much
muslim as anything else. The whole Balkan problem is the meeting of
Islam with anything else.
Actually, the Balkan problem in the 20th century was all about
Serbian nationalism inciting violence which spread to surrounding
countries. It was the spark which ignited WWI. They don't call
it the 'Balkan Tinderbox' for nothing.
It also borders Armenia, (Christian) Azerbaijan, (officially secular)
and Georgia (Christian), which has seen violence by orthodox Christians
against
other beliefs.
'Armenian Turks' set a standard for oppressive Muslim occupation, and
the southern reaches of the old SovUn have internecine religious
conflicts going on as we speak. The invasion of the Balkan states by
Islam has been going on for centuries as well.
It also borders Iran, Iraq and Syria which are 'Muslim', although until
the
invasion Iraq had a secular government.
Saddam had his ***** in the air, whining for help from the mujahideen, as
soon as it became politic. Turkey has had a conflict with the Kurds as
well- muslim though they be.
Chas
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| User: "Dave D" |
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| Title: Re: The future |
18 Jan 2005 09:52:17 AM |
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"Chas" <chasclementsSPOOF@comcast.net> wrote in message
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"Dave D" <dave-d@dave-d.com> wrote
What non-muslim country does Turkey border?
It borders two European countries, Bulgaria and Greece, neither of which
are
Muslim.
They've been at war with Greece for centuries,
Irrelevent to the point, *your* point I might add, which was 'what
non-Muslim country does Turkey border'. Greece is a Christian country, so it
is one of the non-Muslim countries Turkey borders.
Turkey are no more at war with Greece than the UK is at war with France.
and Bulgaria is as much
muslim as anything else.
No it isn't. It is Christian by a vast majority.
The whole Balkan problem is the meeting of Islam
with anything else.
No it isn't.
It also borders Armenia, (Christian) Azerbaijan, (officially secular)
and
Georgia (Christian), which has seen violence by orthodox Christians
against
other beliefs.
'Armenian Turks' set a standard for oppressive Muslim occupation, and the
southern reaches of the old SovUn have internecine religious conflicts
going
on as we speak. The invasion of the Balkan states by Islam has been going
on
for centuries as well.
It also borders Iran, Iraq and Syria which are 'Muslim', although until
the
invasion Iraq had a secular government.
Saddam had his ***** in the air, whining for help from the mujahideen, as
soon
as it became politic. Turkey has had a conflict with the Kurds as well-
muslim though they be.
You asked what non-Muslim countries Turkey bordered, I answered you. Why are
you trying to manipulate the facts? Is it to avoid admitting you were wrong?
Turkey borders several non-Muslim countries, an inescapable fact. I'm not
the least bit interested in the internal politics of Armenia, Turkey or
anywhere else, I was merely answering your question.
Dave
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| User: "Chas" |
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| Title: Re: The future |
18 Jan 2005 11:25:41 AM |
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"Dave D" <dave-d@dave-d.com> wrote
Turkey are no more at war with Greece than the UK is at war with France.
They've had shooting conflicts in recent memory- still disputes between
them.
And, the only quibble was with some assertion of metaphysical certitude
rather than an understood semantic generality. Turkey has massive problems
between muslims and everybody else. It is in direct confrontation with the
former SovUn states on a whole nother level than just religious, but
religion is a component as well.
You asked what non-Muslim countries Turkey bordered, I answered you.
And you pass off the continuing conflicts as being non-religious, as well as
ignoring the massive internal problems Turkey has with Islamic
fundamentalism- as well as being able to only come up with one exception to
the generality of muslim countries being at war with their neighbors, and a
poor one at that.
Chas
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| User: "Dave D" |
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| Title: Re: The future |
18 Jan 2005 11:59:36 AM |
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"Chas" <chasclementsSPOOF@comcast.net> wrote in message
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"Dave D" <dave-d@dave-d.com> wrote
Turkey are no more at war with Greece than the UK is at war with France.
They've had shooting conflicts in recent memory- still disputes between
them.
And, the only quibble was with some assertion of metaphysical certitude
rather than an understood semantic generality. Turkey has massive problems
between muslims and everybody else. It is in direct confrontation with the
former SovUn states on a whole nother level than just religious, but
religion is a component as well.
You asked what non-Muslim countries Turkey bordered, I answered you.
And you pass off the continuing conflicts as being non-religious, as well
as
ignoring the massive internal problems Turkey has with Islamic
fundamentalism-
I did no such thing. You asked what non-Muslim countries Turkey borders, and
I answered. It should have been that simple, but no- you then tried to draw
me into your argument with waffle in an attempt to save face. Give it up,
I'm not playing your daft games.
as well as being able to only come up with one exception to
the generality of muslim countries being at war with their neighbors, and
a
poor one at that.
I did no such thing. I think you'll find you are mixing my post up with
someone elses. Either that or you are concocting outright lies. It was, I
believe, 'Absolute Zero' who suggested Turkey, not me.
Once again as you seem to have difficulty with this issue, I never said
anything remotely political, I simply answered your question asking what
non-Muslim countries Turkey borders.
Dave
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| User: "Rincewind" |
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| Title: Re: The future |
17 Jan 2005 12:14:09 PM |
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On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 09:10:47 -0700, Chas mumbled something like this:
"Dave D" <dave-d@dave-d.com> wrote
What non-muslim country does Turkey border?
It borders two European countries, Bulgaria and Greece, neither of which
are
Muslim.
They've been at war with Greece for centuries,
They are not at war with Greece. There is little love lost between them,
but this does not make them 'at war'.
and Bulgaria is as much
muslim as anything else.
From the CIA:
http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/bu.html#People
Religions:
Bulgarian Orthodox 82.6%, Muslim 12.2%, Roman Catholic 1.7%, Jewish 0.1%,
Protestant, Gregorian-Armenian, and other 3.4% (1998)
Not too muslim as far as the CIA is concerned...
The whole Balkan problem is the meeting of Islam
with anything else.
It also borders Armenia, (Christian) Azerbaijan, (officially secular)
and Georgia (Christian), which has seen violence by orthodox Christians
against
other beliefs.
'Armenian Turks' set a standard for oppressive Muslim occupation, and the
southern reaches of the old SovUn have internecine religious conflicts
going on as we speak.
Again from the CIA:
Religions:
Armenian Apostolic 94%, other Christian 4%, Yezidi (Zoroastrian/animist) 2%
Muslim?
The invasion of the Balkan states by Islam has been
going on for centuries as well.
It also borders Iran, Iraq and Syria which are 'Muslim', although until
the
invasion Iraq had a secular government.
Saddam had his ***** in the air, whining for help from the mujahideen, as
soon as it became politic. Turkey has had a conflict with the Kurds as
well- muslim though they be.
Rinso
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| User: "Chas" |
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| Title: Re: The future |
17 Jan 2005 12:22:17 PM |
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"Rincewind" <rinso@unseen.edu> wrote
They've been at war with Greece for centuries,
They are not at war with Greece. There is little love lost between them,
but this does not make them 'at war'.
It's just at a low ebb of the cycle presently.
and Bulgaria is as much
muslim as anything else.
Not too muslim as far as the CIA is concerned...
But the war goes on anyway between the Muslims and any alternative-
The invasion of the Balkan states by Islam has been
going on for centuries as well.
Chas
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| User: "tw" |
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| Title: Re: The future |
17 Jan 2005 09:01:24 AM |
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"Chas" <chasclementsSPOOF@comcast.net> wrote in message
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"Absolute Zero" <amycaton@hotmail.com> wrote
Ever Muslim country has a war going with a non-Muslim neighboring
country.
Like Turkey?
(for example)
What non-muslim country does Turkey border?
You mean you're too stupid/ignorant to:
1) Know this?
2) Look it up on a map?
Wow...
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