*
Still on the topic of the method used by Nostradamus to encipher
his entire literary opus, I was amazed at the apparent unanimity
among those who attacked the line-based cryptic anagram as a
viable method of encipherment.
*
More recently, in another NewsGroup dedicated to cryptology, the
same argument was offered: a system which allows for multiple
answers is not a system at all.
*
True, the cryptic anagram *does* allow for multiple answers,
there is no doubt about it. But I was amazed to see that this
feature alone was sufficient to lead experts to discard it as a
valid system. After all, if Nostradamus *needed* a multiple
solution system, then what's wrong with him using precisely such
a multiple solution system?
*
Unfortunately, those who attacked such a view
*
1. did not believe that Nostradamus was a seer/prophet;
*
2. did not believe that his published writings were a vague text
hiding a very clear and precise prophecy; and
3. did not believe that Nostradamus *knew* what would happen to
his published texts.
*
Why does this matter in assessing the value of the steganographic
method used by Nostradamus?
*
Unfortunately, those who attacked it in Usenet never made this
clear. But fortunately, I just came upon a very clear statement
by a well-known cipher expert, David Kahn, at p. 881 of a book
titled THE CODE-BREAKERS, Scribner, New York, 1996. In a chapter
dedicated to imaginary codes or ciphers -- and there are quite a
lot of those -- he discusses the (mistaken?) view that Francis
Bacon was the real author of Shakespeare's plays.
*
Commenting on someone else's statement about '...a worthless
piece of cryptography', Kahn refers to the fact that it 'suffers
from the grave weakness of multiple answers'. He writes:
*
"This fault instantly vitiates any alleged method of secret
communication. Of what value is it if the encipherer can never be
sure that the message he puts in will be the one the decipherer
will get out?"
*
There we have it in a nutshell. Kahn is quite right, of course.
Had Nostradamus not been a seer/prophet, he would not have been
sure that his eventual decipherer would find the correct message
he, Nostradamus, would have hidden in such a multiple solution
encipherment method. Therefore, such a method would have been
completely useless to him.
*
The beauty of the situation, though, is that Nostradamus WAS a
seer/prophet, and WAS able to foresee what would eventually
happen to his prophecy, thereby validating a steganographic
method which would otherwise have been perfectly useless to
anyone else.
*
Why was a multiple-solution method necessary in Nostradamus'
case?
*
First, he needed someone to discover that he had enciphered his
published texts. To use Kahn's approach, what would have been the
use of a cipher system so well concealed that no one would have
ever been able to find it?
*
Nostradamus therefore needed a system which would allow his
secret to be hidden for about 400 years. He was successful in
that regard. Prior to 1993, no one had ever thought that he had
used the line-based cryptic anagram as his encipherment method.
*
Nostradamus also needed a system which would eventually be
discovered. How did he do it?
*
By allowing his eventual reader to see how clumsy, and sometimes
false, were his statements about future events. The passage of
time would make sure that his careful readers would eventually
see that his published text was much too weird not to conceal at
least another text.
*
This, in and of itself, would have allowed such a future reader
to discover the clear text of a hitherto obscure prophecy. For
example, a vague prophecy about Napoléon Bonaparte would have
allowed his decipherer to discover a hidden text about...
Napoléon Bonaparte. So far, so good.
*
Had Nostradamus used a single-solution cryptographic method, that
would have been the end of it. One text, one solution. Period.
*
Nostradamus needed something else. Once his secret method of
encipherment had been discovered, he also needed his decipherer
to stumble upon other texts which were not necessarily related to
the published text, i.e., the one which had allowed him to find
the first solution.
*
How did he do it? By hiding IN ALL HIS PUBLISHED TEXTS at least
one version dealing with the circumstances of the unintended
destruction of Paris, on Sunday, August 13, 2017, at 3:53 a.m.
*
Having done so, he knew that -- sooner or later -- his decipherer
would eventually find that other secret. In my case, it took me
the deciphering of no less than about one hundred quatrains to
eventually stumble upon the Paris event hidden in line-based
cryptic anagrams.
*
Nostradamus was thus killing two birds with one stone. He was
showing that *he really had* used cryptology in his published
texts, and was thumbing his nose at those who would eventually
say that I discovered that secret because I knew about events
from my past which were hidden there. As the Paris event is not
from my past, Nostradamus was forcing those who were using that
argument about my past to abstain from using it about my future.
*
How could I have discovered the circumstances of the unintended
destruction of Paris had they not been placed everywhere by
Nostradamus himself? After all, I most certainly did not know
anything about them before I even made my original discovery,
i.e., that of the enciphered nature of Nostradamus' texts.
*
That is a question my detractors have never been able to answer
without contradicting themselves. They deny that Nostradamus'
texts about my past are by Nostradamus because I knew about those
past events; and they deny that Nostradamus' texts about my
future are by Nostradamus because I do not know the future and
could not have found them. So they say I invented the whole
thing!
*
If I did, from where did I get the information relating to the
circumstances of the unintended destruction of Paris? After all,
if I invented it, I must have had *some* information about it.
How come, in 25 years of careful study of Nostradamus' original
texts, the very idea that all these texts were a cipher *never*
crossed my mind? How come, even after having started the
deciphering of his poetry, it never dawned on me that I would
eventually find Nostradamus' secret about the Paris event?
*
And the answer is: Because, at the time, I did not even know
about it.
*
Have a nice day, folks!
*
------------------- %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
Claude Latrémouille % -- "Claude! There ain't no stinkin' -- %
Le 10 mars 2007 --- % cryptic anagrams in them dang verses,- %
APNCL#1495 -------- % ya hear?!" (A chorus of a.p.n. voices) %
------------------- %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
*
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=== CLAUDE LATRÉMOUILLE ===
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| User: "Krib" |
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| Title: Re: "...the grave weakness of multiple answers..." |
11 Mar 2007 06:22:08 AM |
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"Claude Latremouille" <cj559@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote in message
news:esuh94$nli$1@theodyn.ncf.ca...
There we have it in a nutshell.
As usual fraude you've made up your own questions and answered
them instead of the questions others ask. It's easier for you to
hide behind your own lies this way so it's understandable why
you do it.
First, he needed someone to discover that he had enciphered his
published texts. To use Kahn's approach, what would have been the
use of a cipher system so well concealed that no one would have
ever been able to find it?
There you go again putting YOUR words into Nostradamus' mouth
just like all the othet ***** you make up.
Nostradamus therefore needed a system which would allow his
secret to be hidden for about 400 years.
Exactly how do YOU know that?
Nostradamus also needed a system which would eventually be
discovered. How did he do it?
Again, other than the useless opinion of a liar and fraud, (you),
how do YOU know that to be a fact?
By allowing his eventual reader to see how clumsy, and sometimes
false, were his statements about future events. The passage of
time would make sure that his careful readers would eventually
see that his published text was much too weird not to conceal at
least another text.
Circular reasoning as usual.
Nostradamus needed something else. Once his secret method of
encipherment had been discovered, he also needed his decipherer
to stumble upon other texts which were not necessarily related to
the published text, i.e., the one which had allowed him to find
the first solution.
Only, of course, if YOUR anagrams were put there by Nosty which,
given how you fail 100% to date to use them to predict an event in
your own future, seems certain.
How did he do it? By hiding IN ALL HIS PUBLISHED TEXTS at least
one version dealing with the circumstances of the unintended
destruction of Paris, on Sunday, August 13, 2017, at 3:53 a.m.
Yeah sure, why is it the great frause keeps getting his future events
wrong then? the obvious answer is the anagrams are yours and they
reflect your own ignorance and bias.
Having done so, he knew that -- sooner or later -- his decipherer
would eventually find that other secret. In my case, it took me
the deciphering of no less than about one hundred quatrains to
eventually stumble upon the Paris event hidden in line-based
cryptic anagrams.
Maybe you broke something vital in your tiny mind?
How could I have discovered the circumstances of the unintended
destruction of Paris had they not been placed everywhere by
Nostradamus himself? After all, I most certainly did not know
anything about them before I even made my original discovery,
i.e., that of the enciphered nature of Nostradamus' texts.
Circular reasoning again, "Fraude lavatortbowle finds anagrams
ergo they were put there by Nosty" your logic is as lousy as your
ability to extract a real event from YOUR anagrams.
That is a question my detractors have never been able to answer
without contradicting themselves. They deny that Nostradamus'
texts about my past are by Nostradamus because I knew about those
past events; and they deny that Nostradamus' texts about my
future are by Nostradamus because I do not know the future and
could not have found them. So they say I invented the whole
thing!
Making up lies again fraude, much easier to answer your own points isn't it?
If I did, from where did I get the information relating to the
circumstances of the unintended destruction of Paris? After all,
if I invented it, I must have had *some* information about it.
Why? according to YOU we should already have had a nuclear event
in the Aegean Sea that never happened either just like so much you
make up about future events. Who knows what drives moronic idiots like
you, ego perhaps?
Why do you fill YOUR anagrams with so much nonsense if they are
supplied by Nostradamus as YOU claim, why do you add so much
utter ***** to them? the reason is, of course, that all of these
fairytales originate in your broken mind hence your ability to claim
to know exactly what the seer was thinking when he made his quatrains
up, hence your ability to dress up YOUR anagrams with so much crap
like...
"Everything being done in haste, the young recruit on duty that Saturday
night (US time) is much too nervous, too excited, to calmly follow the
procedure for targeting his missile in accordance with the order he has
just received. Is he reading from a code book? Or is he looking at a computer
screen for the codeword to target Peking? All he has to do is to look at the
intended target, retrieve the corresponding codeword, and enter it in his
computer for it to be sent to the guidance system of his ICBM."
or more ***** like...
"What does he do? He does that, all right, but is too negligent to line-up his intended
target with its codeword, and mistakenly reads the codeword above the one he is supposed
to read. What is the name of the target above Peking? Listed alphabetically, it is... Paris!
The exact target? The Place de la Concorde.
He enters the codeword, thinking he has just targeted Peking, and sends it to the missile,
ready for launch. He does not know what he has just done. No one else does."
I asked you before exactly what in those quotes was Nostradamus' words and
what was yours, you ran away from that question as usual fraud, liar, idiot.
How come, in 25 years of careful study of Nostradamus' original
texts, the very idea that all these texts were a cipher *never*
crossed my mind?
Because you're stupid? why do you tell lie after lie and make up questions
rather than answer those asked of you? why do you constantly bleat about
people who rarely post in here these days? maybe their TV exposure pisses your
foul little ego off eh? who knows what motivates freaks like you.
One thing is certain though, you're as useless as the rest of the frauds that
display their wares in here.
How come, even after having started the
deciphering of his poetry, it never dawned on me that I would
eventually find Nostradamus' secret about the Paris event?
Because you hadn't made up that event to fit YOUR anagrams
at the time?
And the answer is: Because, at the time, I did not even know
about it.
You still don't "know it", it's all in your head fraud.
--
Krib
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| User: "Docrodile" |
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| Title: Re: "...the grave weakness of multiple answers..." |
12 Mar 2007 09:39:12 AM |
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"Krib" <kribuk@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote in message
news:ADRIh.43993$s47.16761@newsfe4-gui.ntli.net...
"Claude Latremouille" <cj559@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote in message
news:esuh94$nli$1@theodyn.ncf.ca...
There we have it in a nutshell.
As usual fraude you've made up your own questions and answered
them instead of the questions others ask. It's easier for you to
hide behind your own lies this way so it's understandable why
you do it.
First, he needed someone to discover that he had enciphered his
published texts. To use Kahn's approach, what would have been the
use of a cipher system so well concealed that no one would have
ever been able to find it?
There you go again putting YOUR words into Nostradamus' mouth
just like all the othet ***** you make up.
Nostradamus therefore needed a system which would allow his
secret to be hidden for about 400 years.
Exactly how do YOU know that?
Nostradamus also needed a system which would eventually be
discovered. How did he do it?
Again, other than the useless opinion of a liar and fraud, (you),
how do YOU know that to be a fact?
By allowing his eventual reader to see how clumsy, and sometimes
false, were his statements about future events. The passage of
time would make sure that his careful readers would eventually
see that his published text was much too weird not to conceal at
least another text.
Circular reasoning as usual.
Nostradamus needed something else. Once his secret method of
encipherment had been discovered, he also needed his decipherer
to stumble upon other texts which were not necessarily related to
the published text, i.e., the one which had allowed him to find
the first solution.
Only, of course, if YOUR anagrams were put there by Nosty which,
given how you fail 100% to date to use them to predict an event in
your own future, seems certain.
How did he do it? By hiding IN ALL HIS PUBLISHED TEXTS at least
one version dealing with the circumstances of the unintended
destruction of Paris, on Sunday, August 13, 2017, at 3:53 a.m.
Yeah sure, why is it the great frause keeps getting his future events
wrong then? the obvious answer is the anagrams are yours and they
reflect your own ignorance and bias.
Having done so, he knew that -- sooner or later -- his decipherer
would eventually find that other secret. In my case, it took me
the deciphering of no less than about one hundred quatrains to
eventually stumble upon the Paris event hidden in line-based
cryptic anagrams.
Maybe you broke something vital in your tiny mind?
How could I have discovered the circumstances of the unintended
destruction of Paris had they not been placed everywhere by
Nostradamus himself? After all, I most certainly did not know
anything about them before I even made my original discovery,
i.e., that of the enciphered nature of Nostradamus' texts.
Circular reasoning again, "Fraude lavatortbowle finds anagrams
ergo they were put there by Nosty" your logic is as lousy as your
ability to extract a real event from YOUR anagrams.
That is a question my detractors have never been able to answer
without contradicting themselves. They deny that Nostradamus'
texts about my past are by Nostradamus because I knew about those
past events; and they deny that Nostradamus' texts about my
future are by Nostradamus because I do not know the future and
could not have found them. So they say I invented the whole
thing!
Making up lies again fraude, much easier to answer your own points isn't
it?
If I did, from where did I get the information relating to the
circumstances of the unintended destruction of Paris? After all,
if I invented it, I must have had *some* information about it.
Why? according to YOU we should already have had a nuclear event
in the Aegean Sea that never happened either just like so much you
make up about future events. Who knows what drives moronic idiots like
you, ego perhaps?
Why do you fill YOUR anagrams with so much nonsense if they are
supplied by Nostradamus as YOU claim, why do you add so much
utter ***** to them? the reason is, of course, that all of these
fairytales originate in your broken mind hence your ability to claim
to know exactly what the seer was thinking when he made his quatrains
up, hence your ability to dress up YOUR anagrams with so much crap
like...
"Everything being done in haste, the young recruit on duty that Saturday
night (US time) is much too nervous, too excited, to calmly follow the
procedure for targeting his missile in accordance with the order he has
just received. Is he reading from a code book? Or is he looking at a
computer
screen for the codeword to target Peking? All he has to do is to look at
the
intended target, retrieve the corresponding codeword, and enter it in
his
computer for it to be sent to the guidance system of his ICBM."
or more ***** like...
"What does he do? He does that, all right, but is too negligent to
line-up his intended
target with its codeword, and mistakenly reads the codeword above the
one he is supposed
to read. What is the name of the target above Peking? Listed
alphabetically, it is... Paris!
The exact target? The Place de la Concorde.
He enters the codeword, thinking he has just targeted Peking, and sends
it to the missile,
ready for launch. He does not know what he has just done. No one else
does."
I asked you before exactly what in those quotes was Nostradamus' words
and
what was yours, you ran away from that question as usual fraud, liar,
idiot.
How come, in 25 years of careful study of Nostradamus' original
texts, the very idea that all these texts were a cipher *never*
crossed my mind?
Because you're stupid? why do you tell lie after lie and make up
questions
rather than answer those asked of you? why do you constantly bleat about
people who rarely post in here these days? maybe their TV exposure
pisses your
foul little ego off eh? who knows what motivates freaks like you.
One thing is certain though, you're as useless as the rest of the frauds
that
display their wares in here.
How come, even after having started the
deciphering of his poetry, it never dawned on me that I would
eventually find Nostradamus' secret about the Paris event?
Because you hadn't made up that event to fit YOUR anagrams
at the time?
And the answer is: Because, at the time, I did not even know
about it.
You still don't "know it", it's all in your head fraud.
--
Krib
Another useless fine analysis based on your subjectivity. And what will
this accomplish that all the other critiques haven't? Claude closes up
shop, admits to what you accuse him of...?? Huh? Where is the logic of
your redundant critical analyses of poster's reasoning, content,
personality, etc., here?? Is the logic that you'll accomplish exposing a
fraud, only to have that accused one come back and post again? And,
ultimately, with the species heavily mired, from top to bottom, in
deception, where will lil' Krabby achieve his victory over lies?
I'm not saying Claude is a liar, as you accuse...it doesn't matter to me
that a subject as highly interpretive as prophecy is reinterpreted, ad
infinitum. Nor does it concern me that a species that has this bizarre
interest in its own future is obsessed with how it might end up dead or
destroyed. It is simply the idiosyncracy, collectively, of a species added
onto thousands more that make little or no rational sense. Who said we
need to make sense to you or anyone? You don't make sense here, with your
periodical visits of exposing lies and frauds, and doing it in such an
arrogant manner that it reflects on your own serious personality
shortcomings.
If you want to know what will likely be your fate, take a gander at the
forgotten hordes of people tucked away in nursing homes (etc.) awaiting
the end to their lives.
There's the reality, Krabby, about our *future* .... so you can take
whatever interpretations of the future you think are right or criticize
whatever you think is wrong, and stuff that ***** up your perfectionistic
*****, meat grinder.
What Claude thinks, accurately or inaccurately, about interpretations of
Nostradamus' predictions, has no bearing on our everyday lives, anyway. We
have to face our mortality in quite another way, and sensationalizing it
in any future-tense manner, only serves to distract us from what our real
common fear of the end of our lives will very likely be -- a grinding
boring uneventful conclusion, a winding down through illness to
nothingness. Or, a sudden early unexpected common end, such as an
accident, or fatal heart attack. Essentially, that is why prophecy
interests so many -- it provides us with a more significant denouement.
Makes us feel that all the difficult vagaries of our life experience
should *reward* us with a romanticized, even historially important,
conclusion.
Docrodile ;))~
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| User: "Krib" |
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| Title: Re: "...the grave weakness of multiple answers..." |
12 Mar 2007 10:27:03 AM |
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"Docrodile" <swampthing@hellsbayou.net> wrote in message news:et3omk$kvn$1@aioe.org...
Another useless fine analysis based on your subjectivity.
Look at the title of the newgroup old timer, APN, it's a discussion newsgroup,
get it yet you pathetic attention seeking old bag of pus?
And what will this accomplish that all the other critiques haven't?
What I discuss and who with has nothing to do with you, you don't get any say
in the matter. This has not become YOUR newsgroup despite your pathetic
attempts at self promotion in it, you do not decide who posts, what subjects
get discussed or anything else, you're just another anonymous keyboard in here
so try to calm down and go play with somebody that actually gives a ***** what
you whinge about k?
Now I see you're desperate for my attention, you're dogging my
every post for some pathetic reason or other, that's cool, you knock yourself
out, a senile old pile of ***** like you needs all the fun you can muster ;0)
I'm done with you now Doc, bye bye ;0)
--
krib
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| User: "Docrodile" |
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| Title: Re: "...the grave weakness of multiple answers..." |
12 Mar 2007 11:09:04 AM |
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"Krib" <kribuk@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote in message
news:bjeJh.32599$fa.9556@newsfe1-win.ntli.net...
"Docrodile" <swampthing@hellsbayou.net> wrote in message
news:et3omk$kvn$1@aioe.org...
Another useless fine analysis based on your subjectivity.
Look at the title of the newgroup old timer, APN, it's a discussion
newsgroup,
get it yet you pathetic attention seeking old bag of pus?
And what will this accomplish that all the other critiques haven't?
What I discuss and who with has nothing to do with you, you don't get
any say
in the matter.
Oh, but I do...from the very definition you just gave me about the reason
we have for the exisence of chat groups. I have as much to say about any
poster or their post
as you do, and the same right. If you can't stomach it, super critic, then
***** your pants. I don't care. I'm fed up with psycho-turds like you. And
I'm lettin' them know it here. You wanna' use someone to pound out your
anger on, your contempt for, then I can fucking do the same thing, you
cur. You wanna' victimize others here, then be prepared to be victimized
yourself. You wanna' be a fucking cheapskate and save on psychotherapy
(which you need), then prepare to pay another kind of price for the
'therapy' you engage in here, using people for your teething ring. *****
you!
This has not become YOUR newsgroup despite your pathetic
attempts at self promotion in it
Nor has it become your place to grind your axe without getting some metal
dust blown back in your fucking face!!!!
Ad what is it that I'm "promoting" ?? Illuminate me. Am I promoting my
enormous self-righteousness like you love to do???
, you do not decide who posts, what subjects
get discussed or anything else, you're just another anonymous keyboard
in here
No, actually, you've missed the boat, Krabby. I am not anonymous anymore.
I revealed my real name, location, and tossed in a pic on a blog I had for
awhile. Ask a few of the regulars here that visited it. You're still an
anonymous poster that has a name that is also that of a fish. Are you
kinda' fishy? Yes, you are, and slippery, too.
so try to calm down and go play with somebody that actually gives a *****
what
you whinge about k?
How can I, if I even cared to, which I don't, control any posters here?
You might ask yourself about your avalanche of criticism directed at a few
targets is not the very same behavior you accuse me of. Are you trying to
run
folks outta' here? Shame them, expose them, belittle, harass them? Well,
you sure as hell are, Krabby!! So, you take that hypocritical crap and
stuff it! Calm down? Well, I certainly feel calm. Do you feel calm as
you tear into posters here?
Now I see you're desperate for my attention, you're dogging my
every post for some pathetic reason or other, that's cool, you knock
yourself
out, a senile old pile of ***** like you needs all the fun you can muster
;0)
I'm retired and very ill physically, fuss budgie. All my time is spent at
home waiting for the end. Shits like you make me yearn for an earlier end
to come. As I wait, I write, chat, research, work on websites, etc. My
legitimization for being online is solid as a rock. What your's is, is the
question. A super-critical personality that needs to have others feel
shitty in order to elevate itself? I believe so!
I'm done with you now Doc, bye bye ;0)
--
krib
Whazza' matter, Krib? Got someone to bite your ***** back like you're so
busy doing, biting the ***** of others? You turd!! Swim around in your
tank, eat some algae, and flap your fishy tail, you scaly slimy Krib.
Docrodile :)~
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| User: "Dani Bell" |
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19 Mar 2007 01:51:03 PM |
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On Mon, 12 Mar 2007 09:09:04 -0700, "Docrodile"
<swampthing@hellsbayou.net> wrote:
I'm retired and very ill physically,
I'm sorry to hear that, Doc. You seem so full of energy here that I'd
never be able to tell that you're sick. Do you mind my asking what is
wrong - what the diagnosis is? If that is too personal, or you don't
want to share that I will fully and completely understand.
Cheers,
Dani
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| User: "Docrodile" |
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19 Mar 2007 03:33:10 PM |
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<Dani Bell> wrote in message
news:5gmtv29m8h31d3g05at4c8abnct9g3p6r3@4ax.com...
On Mon, 12 Mar 2007 09:09:04 -0700, "Docrodile"
<swampthing@hellsbayou.net> wrote:
I'm retired and very ill physically,
I'm sorry to hear that, Doc. You seem so full of energy here that I'd
never be able to tell that you're sick. Do you mind my asking what is
wrong - what the diagnosis is? If that is too personal, or you don't
want to share that I will fully and completely understand.
Cheers,
Dani
CVD, PFO, bipolarism, 2 more (that I won't reveal) Thanks for asking
Docrodile
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| User: "Dani Bell" |
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21 Mar 2007 04:24:00 PM |
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On Mon, 19 Mar 2007 13:33:10 -0700, "Docrodile"
<swampthing@hellsbayou.net> wrote:
<Dani Bell> wrote in message
news:5gmtv29m8h31d3g05at4c8abnct9g3p6r3@4ax.com...
On Mon, 12 Mar 2007 09:09:04 -0700, "Docrodile"
<swampthing@hellsbayou.net> wrote:
I'm retired and very ill physically,
I'm sorry to hear that, Doc. You seem so full of energy here that I'd
never be able to tell that you're sick. Do you mind my asking what is
wrong - what the diagnosis is? If that is too personal, or you don't
want to share that I will fully and completely understand.
Cheers,
Dani
CVD, PFO, bipolarism, 2 more (that I won't reveal) Thanks for asking
You're welcome. I won't pry any further. I'll just say that you have
so much spunk and energy that I'd never know that you're ailing.
I have clinical depression that comes and goes; lies dormant for
awhile then shows it's putrid head again. During the times that
it's returned in full force, it's *very* difficult to do my simple day
to day routines.. I've given up on anti-depressants (never worked
in small doses, and the side effects are too much to handle in higher
doses.) So, I work out a lot - do strenuous exercise routines which
produce natural endorphins that have shown to help me quite a bit.
But at my worst - *nothing* can help.. I have to wait 'till it lies
dormant again.
The most ignorant things I have heard from people regarding my
depression are: "snap out of it!" - "Oh, you're just in a slump right
now.. get yourself out of it! etc.. etc.. I'm sure they mean well but
haven't the *slightest* clue about the disease.
Another thing that sucks is it will *always* be with me; there is no
cure - only medications to make life bearable. But it won't ever go
away.
Dani
Docrodile
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<Dani Bell> wrote in message
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On Mon, 19 Mar 2007 13:33:10 -0700, "Docrodile"
<swampthing@hellsbayou.net> wrote:
<Dani Bell> wrote in message
news:5gmtv29m8h31d3g05at4c8abnct9g3p6r3@4ax.com...
On Mon, 12 Mar 2007 09:09:04 -0700, "Docrodile"
<swampthing@hellsbayou.net> wrote:
I'm retired and very ill physically,
I'm sorry to hear that, Doc. You seem so full of energy here that I'd
never be able to tell that you're sick. Do you mind my asking what is
wrong - what the diagnosis is? If that is too personal, or you don't
want to share that I will fully and completely understand.
Cheers,
Dani
CVD, PFO, bipolarism, 2 more (that I won't reveal) Thanks for asking
You're welcome. I won't pry any further. I'll just say that you have
so much spunk and energy that I'd never know that you're ailing.
I have clinical depression that comes and goes; lies dormant for
awhile then shows it's putrid head again. During the times that
it's returned in full force, it's *very* difficult to do my simple day
to day routines.. I've given up on anti-depressants (never worked
in small doses, and the side effects are too much to handle in higher
doses.) So, I work out a lot - do strenuous exercise routines which
produce natural endorphins that have shown to help me quite a bit.
But at my worst - *nothing* can help.. I have to wait 'till it lies
dormant again.
The most ignorant things I have heard from people regarding my
depression are: "snap out of it!" - "Oh, you're just in a slump right
now.. get yourself out of it! etc.. etc.. I'm sure they mean well but
haven't the *slightest* clue about the disease.
Another thing that sucks is it will *always* be with me; there is no
cure - only medications to make life bearable. But it won't ever go
away.
Dani
You might try working a small amount of any type of fish meat into your
daily diet, Dani. It has helped me, and studies show fish has certain
amino acids that can ease depression, provide some energy, and calm
nerves.
I don't use, nor do I want any longer, antidepressant drugs or herbs. I
had a long experience with them. They did some good for awhile, but
ultimately gave me more side effects than I wanted to cope with daily. As
I got older, I simply got tired of being drugged, sleeping drugged,
getting up groggy, etc. It seemed better when I was younger and had more
energy.
Some elemental exercise is important as is your diet, mixing proteins,
eating at regular times, limiting or staying away from tobacco and alcohol
use, etc....and plenty of rest. A stimulating hobby and/or job can help,
too, as do good friends who accept you for what you are.
I smoked pot for many years, and believe it generally can help some
people's depression, anxiety, insomnia, etc. I no longer use pot after my
health problems worsened last year. Small amounts of pot can be helpful,
though, and I'd urge sufferers to try it for awhile. In Canada, the
government has several mental disorders listed for legal medical pot
usage, including bipolarism. Unfortunately, America hasn't gotten wise to
this -- yet, anyway.
The internet is obviously a magnet for the mentally ill and provides some
relief for them in various ways, by providing much needed interaction,
easing loneliness, permitting a wide range of mentally stimulating
activities, like gaming, reading, videos, website creation, chat, SEX
(lol!), et al.
The key IMO is to keep the mind stimulated, playful, inquiring,
interactive and pushing it to new areas of interest, forcing myself to 'go
beyond' acceptable borders of behaviour. Societal customs and laws and
what is "politically correct" can cause a mind to slip into a robotic,
tiredk, bored state if one allows it.
Docrodile ;))~
Docrodile
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21 Mar 2007 05:26:17 PM |
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On Mar 21, 9:24=EF=BF=BDpm, Dani Bell wrote:
I have clinical depression that comes and goes; lies dormant for
awhile then shows it's putrid head again. =A0During the times that
it's returned in full force, it's *very* difficult to do my simple day
to day routines.. I've given up on anti-depressants (never worked
in small doses, and the side effects are too much to handle in higher
doses.) =A0So, I work out a lot - do strenuous exercise routines which
produce natural endorphins that have shown to help me quite a bit.
But at my worst - *nothing* can help.. I have to wait 'till it lies
dormant again.
The most ignorant things I have heard from people =A0regarding my
depression are: "snap out of it!" - "Oh, you're just in a slump right
now.. get yourself out of it! etc.. etc.. I'm sure they mean well but
haven't the *slightest* clue about the disease.
Another thing that sucks is it will *always* be with me; there is no
cure - only medications to make life bearable. =A0But it won't ever go
away.
Dani
Never a more true post has appeared in this forum. Exactly Dani.
Werewolfy
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After Much Chewing of Cud and Cogitation, "Werewolfy" <Werewolfy1
@yahoo.co.uk> Spat the Words
On Mar 21, 9:24�pm, Dani Bell wrote:
I have clinical depression that comes and goes; lies dormant for
awhile then shows it's putrid head again. During the times that
it's returned in full force, it's *very* difficult to do my simple day
to day routines.. I've given up on anti-depressants (never worked
in small doses, and the side effects are too much to handle in higher
doses.) So, I work out a lot - do strenuous exercise routines which
produce natural endorphins that have shown to help me quite a bit.
But at my worst - *nothing* can help.. I have to wait 'till it lies
dormant again.
The most ignorant things I have heard from people regarding my
depression are: "snap out of it!" - "Oh, you're just in a slump right
now.. get yourself out of it! etc.. etc.. I'm sure they mean well but
haven't the *slightest* clue about the disease.
Another thing that sucks is it will *always* be with me; there is no
cure - only medications to make life bearable. But it won't ever go
away.
Dani
Never a more true post has appeared in this forum. Exactly Dani.
I believe bipolarism is about extreme highs and lows, is it
not ? There's a bit of manic-depression in my family as well,
although I think mine was more pronounced in my youth when my
hormones were raging. Mood swings must not be that uncommon
a form of mental aberrancy.
Werewolfy
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22 Mar 2007 12:57:05 AM |
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"Perseid" <eidpers@anti-spam.comcast.net> wrote in message
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After Much Chewing of Cud and Cogitation, "Werewolfy" <Werewolfy1
@yahoo.co.uk> Spat the Words
On Mar 21, 9:24�pm, Dani Bell wrote:
I have clinical depression that comes and goes; lies dormant for
awhile then shows it's putrid head again. During the times that
it's returned in full force, it's *very* difficult to do my simple day
to day routines.. I've given up on anti-depressants (never worked
in small doses, and the side effects are too much to handle in higher
doses.) So, I work out a lot - do strenuous exercise routines which
produce natural endorphins that have shown to help me quite a bit.
But at my worst - *nothing* can help.. I have to wait 'till it lies
dormant again.
The most ignorant things I have heard from people regarding my
depression are: "snap out of it!" - "Oh, you're just in a slump right
now.. get yourself out of it! etc.. etc.. I'm sure they mean well but
haven't the *slightest* clue about the disease.
Another thing that sucks is it will *always* be with me; there is no
cure - only medications to make life bearable. But it won't ever go
away.
Dani
Never a more true post has appeared in this forum. Exactly Dani.
I believe bipolarism is about extreme highs and lows, is it
not ?
There are basically two types of bipolarism -- bipolar I and II. The
latter is less debilitating. The typical pattern is one of elation and
high activity followed or preceded by extreme depression, low activity.
There are many degrees of the levels of the high and low periods. Some
have more depressed periods, than elated ones, and vice versa. The levels
of depression and elation also vary in depth with each individual. In the
worse case scenario, a bipolar I sufferer will become so ecstatic as to be
hallucinating, talking extremely fast, moving about nervously, taking
enormous social or personal risks, etc...and then crash into a state of
suicidal depression, refuse to eat, go out of the house, talk with anyone,
etc.
There's a bit of manic-depression in my family as well,
although I think mine was more pronounced in my youth when my
hormones were raging. Mood swings must not be that uncommon
a form of mental aberrancy.
Yes, you're right...everyone has some degree of mood swings at some time
in their lives, or have them sporadically all their life. That is natural,
actually, to have a human's mood move back and forth between feeling bad
and good. Rapidly changing, unexpected stressful situations can affect any
of us in a serious way, for awhile. Bipolarism, however, is a grinding
daily affliction that is actually able to prevent a person from doing
their job, maintaining relationships, enjoying common things like hobbies,
etc. It is chronic, often incurable, and currently only treatable with
psychotherapy combined with drugs. The worst cases might receive
electro-shock therapy (ECT). Other sufferers try their own partial
remedies, like exercise, diet changes, etc., and much experimentation goes
on within an individual's sphere to attempt some kind of plateau of
relative well being. It ain't easy, though, and many fall short of their
intended goal. Relationships may suffer the most with many sufferers --
temperamental explosions, misunderstandings, paranoia, feelings of
worthlessness, unusual fears...and all this can be complicated further by
other co-existing mental illnesses such as OCD, borderline personality,
schizo-affective disorder (SAD), etc. Any bipolar I or II that has at
least one other major mental illness is really up ***** creek, Perseid. And
folks who have 2 or more, well.. it makes ***** creek look good,
comparatively. LOL! (not really funny)
Docrodile
Werewolfy
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23 Mar 2007 01:15:09 PM |
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On Wed, 21 Mar 2007 19:09:20 -0500, Perseid
<eidpers@anti-spam.comcast.net> wrote:
After Much Chewing of Cud and Cogitation, "Werewolfy" <Werewolfy1
@yahoo.co.uk> Spat the Words
On Mar 21, 9:24�pm, Dani Bell wrote:
I have clinical depression that comes and goes; lies dormant for
awhile then shows it's putrid head again. During the times that
it's returned in full force, it's *very* difficult to do my simple day
to day routines.. I've given up on anti-depressants (never worked
in small doses, and the side effects are too much to handle in higher
doses.) So, I work out a lot - do strenuous exercise routines which
produce natural endorphins that have shown to help me quite a bit.
But at my worst - *nothing* can help.. I have to wait 'till it lies
dormant again.
The most ignorant things I have heard from people regarding my
depression are: "snap out of it!" - "Oh, you're just in a slump right
now.. get yourself out of it! etc.. etc.. I'm sure they mean well but
haven't the *slightest* clue about the disease.
Another thing that sucks is it will *always* be with me; there is no
cure - only medications to make life bearable. But it won't ever go
away.
Dani
Never a more true post has appeared in this forum. Exactly Dani.
I believe bipolarism is about extreme highs and lows, is it
not ? There's a bit of manic-depression in my family as well,
although I think mine was more pronounced in my youth when my
hormones were raging. Mood swings must not be that uncommon
a form of mental aberrancy.
"Mood swings" are normal, Randy. What is *not* normal, is when your
mood is so low, you literally have to struggle just to do normal
everyday things.. simple things. Just getting out of bed, returning a
phone call, going to work, going to the store etc.. even having a
conversation with your best-friend can be a near impossible task.
I'm not over-exaggerating here, either.. it honestly can get that bad
if it's not kept under control.
No offense, but you just highlighted the point I made about how others
who don't suffer from this don't see the *severity* of it.. and how
it's so misunderstood to the point where others say things like "snap
out of it!" ..or like you say above "Mood swings" ..no, that's not
even coming anywhere near touching the realm of this disease.
Like I said.. don't take offense to the above. I know you meant well,
and your response was very common. Too common.
Cheers,
Dani
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23 Mar 2007 09:28:57 PM |
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After Much Chewing of Cud and Cogitation, Dani Bell Spat the Words
On Wed, 21 Mar 2007 19:09:20 -0500, Perseid
<eidpers@anti-spam.comcast.net> wrote:
After Much Chewing of Cud and Cogitation, "Werewolfy" <Werewolfy1
@yahoo.co.uk> Spat the Words
On Mar 21, 9:24�pm, Dani Bell wrote:
I have clinical depression that comes and goes; lies dormant for
awhile then shows it's putrid head again. During the times that
it's returned in full force, it's *very* difficult to do my simple
day
to day routines.. I've given up on anti-depressants (never worked
in small doses, and the side effects are too much to handle in higher
doses.) So, I work out a lot - do strenuous exercise routines which
produce natural endorphins that have shown to help me quite a bit.
But at my worst - *nothing* can help.. I have to wait 'till it lies
dormant again.
The most ignorant things I have heard from people regarding my
depression are: "snap out of it!" - "Oh, you're just in a slump right
now.. get yourself out of it! etc.. etc.. I'm sure they mean well but
haven't the *slightest* clue about the disease.
Another thing that sucks is it will *always* be with me; there is no
cure - only medications to make life bearable. But it won't ever go
away.
Dani
Never a more true post has appeared in this forum. Exactly Dani.
I believe bipolarism is about extreme highs and lows, is it
not ? There's a bit of manic-depression in my family as well,
although I think mine was more pronounced in my youth when my
hormones were raging. Mood swings must not be that uncommon
a form of mental aberrancy.
"Mood swings" are normal, Randy. What is *not* normal, is when your
mood is so low, you literally have to struggle just to do normal
everyday things.. simple things. Just getting out of bed, returning a
phone call, going to work, going to the store etc.. even having a
conversation with your best-friend can be a near impossible task.
I'm not over-exaggerating here, either.. it honestly can get that bad
if it's not kept under control.
No offense, but you just highlighted the point I made about how others
who don't suffer from this don't see the *severity* of it.. and how
it's so misunderstood to the point where others say things like "snap
out of it!" ..or like you say above "Mood swings" ..no, that's not
even coming anywhere near touching the realm of this disease.
Like I said.. don't take offense to the above.
No offense taken. The highs and lows can be more severe with
some people. My brother tried to kill himself on at least one
occasion, but although his lifestyle may have been driven by
a chemical imbalance he still had control of his actions. My
older sister was doing anti-depressants (not sure which drug) ,
and they were all in and out of psychological therapy (the kind
where the doctors can prescribe drugs) and treatment centers
for much of their young adulthood. Like I said, in my youth
I also was somewhat crazed, you know, highs and lows that left
me questioning how normal I was. Drugs usually exacerbate the
problem. I can see how working out could be a positive way of
venting and I'm glad to see you've chosen this activity. Take
care Dani.. you know you've got some friends here on apn.
I know you meant well,
and your response was very common. Too common.
Cheers,
Dani
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23 Mar 2007 10:41:44 PM |
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On Fri, 23 Mar 2007 21:28:57 -0500, Perseid
<eidpers@anti-spam.comcast.net> wrote:
After Much Chewing of Cud and Cogitation, Dani Bell Spat the Words
On Wed, 21 Mar 2007 19:09:20 -0500, Perseid
<eidpers@anti-spam.comcast.net> wrote:
After Much Chewing of Cud and Cogitation, "Werewolfy" <Werewolfy1
@yahoo.co.uk> Spat the Words
On Mar 21, 9:24�pm, Dani Bell wrote:
I have clinical depression that comes and goes; lies dormant for
awhile then shows it's putrid head again. During the times that
it's returned in full force, it's *very* difficult to do my simple
day
to day routines.. I've given up on anti-depressants (never worked
in small doses, and the side effects are too much to handle in higher
doses.) So, I work out a lot - do strenuous exercise routines which
produce natural endorphins that have shown to help me quite a bit.
But at my worst - *nothing* can help.. I have to wait 'till it lies
dormant again.
The most ignorant things I have heard from people regarding my
depression are: "snap out of it!" - "Oh, you're just in a slump right
now.. get yourself out of it! etc.. etc.. I'm sure they mean well but
haven't the *slightest* clue about the disease.
Another thing that sucks is it will *always* be with me; there is no
cure - only medications to make life bearable. But it won't ever go
away.
Dani
Never a more true post has appeared in this forum. Exactly Dani.
I believe bipolarism is about extreme highs and lows, is it
not ? There's a bit of manic-depression in my family as well,
although I think mine was more pronounced in my youth when my
hormones were raging. Mood swings must not be that uncommon
a form of mental aberrancy.
"Mood swings" are normal, Randy. What is *not* normal, is when your
mood is so low, you literally have to struggle just to do normal
everyday things.. simple things. Just getting out of bed, returning a
phone call, going to work, going to the store etc.. even having a
conversation with your best-friend can be a near impossible task.
I'm not over-exaggerating here, either.. it honestly can get that bad
if it's not kept under control.
No offense, but you just highlighted the point I made about how others
who don't suffer from this don't see the *severity* of it.. and how
it's so misunderstood to the point where others say things like "snap
out of it!" ..or like you say above "Mood swings" ..no, that's not
even coming anywhere near touching the realm of this disease.
Like I said.. don't take offense to the above.
No offense taken. The highs and lows can be more severe with
some people. My brother tried to kill himself on at least one
occasion, but although his lifestyle may have been driven by
a chemical imbalance he still had control of his actions. My
older sister was doing anti-depressants (not sure which drug) ,
and they were all in and out of psychological therapy (the kind
where the doctors can prescribe drugs) and treatment centers
for much of their young adulthood. Like I said, in my youth
I also was somewhat crazed, you know, highs and lows that left
me questioning how normal I was. Drugs usually exacerbate the
problem. I can see how working out could be a positive way of
venting and I'm glad to see you've chosen this activity. Take
care Dani.. you know you've got some friends here on apn.
I'm sorry to hear about your brother and sister, Randy. You'll find,
also, that depression can be hereditary and run in families. You
mention that in your youth you were "somewhat crazed", I think that
you'll also find that we were ALL "somewhat crazed" in our youth.. :)
You're very lucky that it left you when adolescence left you.
Thank you for the kind words.. you're a good guy.
Dani
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On 21 Mar 2007 15:26:17 -0700, "Werewolfy" <Werewolfy1@yahoo.co.uk>
wrote:
On Mar 21, 9:24?pm, Dani Bell wrote:
I have clinical depression that comes and goes; lies dormant for
awhile then shows it's putrid head again. uring the times that
it's returned in full force, it's *very* difficult to do my simple day
to day routines.. I've given up on anti-depressants (never worked
in small doses, and the side effects are too much to handle in higher
doses.) o, I work out a lot - do strenuous exercise routines which
produce natural endorphins that have shown to help me quite a bit.
But at my worst - *nothing* can help.. I have to wait 'till it lies
dormant again.
The most ignorant things I have heard from people 2egarding my
depression are: "snap out of it!" - "Oh, you're just in a slump right
now.. get yourself out of it! etc.. etc.. I'm sure they mean well but
haven't the *slightest* clue about the disease.
Another thing that sucks is it will *always* be with me; there is no
cure - only medications to make life bearable.
but it won't ever go
away.
Never a more true post has appeared in this forum. Exactly Dani.
Thanks, Ricky. I remember you telling me that you also suffer from
this.. I hope you're keeping well. This disease is not something I
would ever even wish on my worst enemy. Only a fellow sufferer could
truly grasp, truly know what this disease is all about..
Cheers,
Dani
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23 Mar 2007 01:46:24 PM |
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On Mar 23, 5:57?pm, Dani Bell wrote:
"Only a fellow sufferer could truly grasp, truly know what this
disease is all about.."
And only a true sufferer could use those words of your post Dani. God,
but that could have been my writing it..identical feelings.
The 'in' word is 'function' I think. A Doctor asks if you can still
'function'.
If he means survive somehow, then I suppose I can. If he means lead a
fairly content existance, then of course not.
It didn't improve by returning to England. I didn't think the move
would be good for me, and it wasn't. If anything, I'm all the more
hermit-like these days. The world has people sliming around it.
Ah well...I'm still here ignoring the attraction of high buildings. I
have my collections of dead animals to keep me sort of busy. Making
myself go to auctions weekly to buy and then to sell taxidermy, is
some sort of fight against it.
Your post was precise. No Doctor could have written that. Only a
sufferer could. Only someone who suffers can understand too Dani.
Ricky
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23 Mar 2007 11:04:59 PM |
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On 23 Mar 2007 11:46:24 -0700, "Werewolfy" <Werewolfy1@yahoo.co.uk>
wrote:
On Mar 23, 5:57?pm, Dani Bell wrote:
"Only a fellow sufferer could truly grasp, truly know what this
disease is all about.."
And only a true sufferer could use those words of your post Dani. God,
but that could have been my writing it..identical feelings.
The 'in' word is 'function' I think. A Doctor asks if you can still
'function'.
If he means survive somehow, then I suppose I can. If he means lead a
fairly content existance, then of course not.
It didn't improve by returning to England. I didn't think the move
would be good for me, and it wasn't. If anything, I'm all the more
hermit-like these days. The world has people sliming around it.
Ah well...I'm still here ignoring the attraction of high buildings. I
have my collections of dead animals to keep me sort of busy. Making
myself go to auctions weekly to buy and then to sell taxidermy, is
some sort of fight against it.
Your post was precise. No Doctor could have written that. Only a
sufferer could. Only someone who suffers can understand too Dani.
That's too bad that going "home" didn't help any, Ricky. Sometimes I
think if I just lived on a beach all the time and layed in the sun
then I would always be happy and the bouts of depression would go
away. Remember when I moved to Florida? Didn't help. I moved back.
The thing is.. no matter where we go, it's in us.. we take it with us.
There's no getting around it, unfortunately.
Take care,
Dani
Ricky
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On Mar 11, 1:01 am, (Claude Latremouille)
wrote:
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Still on the topic of the method used by Nostradamus to encipher
his entire literary opus, I was amazed at the apparent unanimity
among those who attacked the line-based cryptic anagram as a
viable method of encipherment.
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More recently, in another NewsGroup dedicated to cryptology, the
same argument was offered: a system which allows for multiple
answers is not a system at all.
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True, the cryptic anagram *does* allow for multiple answers,
there is no doubt about it. But I was amazed to see that this
feature alone was sufficient to lead experts to discard it as a
valid system. After all, if Nostradamus *needed* a multiple
solution system, then what's wrong with him using precisely such
a multiple solution system?
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Unfortunately, those who attacked such a view
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1. did not believe that Nostradamus was a seer/prophet;
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2. did not believe that his published writings were a vague text
hiding a very clear and precise prophecy; and
3. did not believe that Nostradamus *knew* what would happen to
his published texts.
*
Why does this matter in assessing the value of the steganographic
method used by Nostradamus?
*
Unfortunately, those who attacked it in Usenet never made this
clear. But fortunately, I just came upon a very clear statement
by a well-known cipher expert, David Kahn, at p. 881 of a book
titled THE CODE-BREAKERS, Scribner, New York, 1996. In a chapter
dedicated to imaginary codes or ciphers -- and there are quite a
lot of those -- he discusses the (mistaken?) view that Francis
Bacon was the real author of Shakespeare's plays.
*
Commenting on someone else's statement about '...a worthless
piece of cryptography', Kahn refers to the fact that it 'suffers
from the grave weakness of multiple answers'. He writes:
*
"This fault instantly vitiates any alleged method of secret
communication. Of what value is it if the encipherer can never be
sure that the message he puts in will be the one the decipherer
will get out?"
*
There we have it in a nutshell. Kahn is quite right, of course.
Had Nostradamus not been a seer/prophet, he would not have been
sure that his eventual decipherer would find the correct message
he, Nostradamus, would have hidden in such a multiple solution
encipherment method. Therefore, such a method would have been
completely useless to him.
*
The beauty of the situation, though, is that Nostradamus WAS a
seer/prophet, and WAS able to foresee what would eventually
happen to his prophecy, thereby validating a steganographic
method which would otherwise have been perfectly useless to
anyone else.
*
Why was a multiple-solution method necessary in Nostradamus'
case?
*
First, he needed someone to discover that he had enciphered his
published texts. To use Kahn's approach, what would have been the
use of a cipher system so well concealed that no one would have
ever been able to find it?
*
Nostradamus therefore needed a system which would allow his
secret to be hidden for about 400 years. He was successful in
that regard. Prior to 1993, no one had ever thought that he had
used the line-based cryptic anagram as his encipherment method.
*
Nostradamus also needed a system which would eventually be
discovered. How did he do it?
*
By allowing his eventual reader to see how clumsy, and sometimes
false, were his statements about future events. The passage of
time would make sure that his careful readers would eventually
see that his published text was much too weird not to conceal at
least another text.
*
This, in and of itself, would have allowed such a future reader
to discover the clear text of a hitherto obscure prophecy. For
example, a vague prophecy about Napol=E9on Bonaparte would have
allowed his decipherer to discover a hidden text about...
Napol=E9on Bonaparte. So far, so good.
*
Had Nostradamus used a single-solution cryptographic method, that
would have been the end of it. One text, one solution. Period.
*
Nostradamus needed something else. Once his secret method of
encipherment had been discovered, he also needed his decipherer
to stumble upon other texts which were not necessarily related to
the published text, i.e., the one which had allowed him to find
the first solution.
*
How did he do it? By hiding IN ALL HIS PUBLISHED TEXTS at least
one version dealing with the circumstances of the unintended
destruction of Paris, on Sunday, August 13, 2017, at 3:53 a.m.
*
Having done so, he knew that -- sooner or later -- his decipherer
would eventually find that other secret. In my case, it took me
the deciphering of no less than about one hundred quatrains to
eventually stumble upon the Paris event hidden in line-based
cryptic anagrams.
*
Nostradamus was thus killing two birds with one stone. He was
showing that *he really had* used cryptology in his published
texts, and was thumbing his nose at those who would eventually
say that I discovered that secret because I knew about events
from my past which were hidden there. As the Paris event is not
from my past, Nostradamus was forcing those who were using that
argument about my past to abstain from using it about my future.
*
How could I have discovered the circumstances of the unintended
destruction of Paris had they not been placed everywhere by
Nostradamus himself? After all, I most certainly did not know
anything about them before I even made my original discovery,
i.e., that of the enciphered nature of Nostradamus' texts.
*
That is a question my detractors have never been able to answer
without contradicting themselves. They deny that Nostradamus'
texts about my past are by Nostradamus because I knew about those
past events; and they deny that Nostradamus' texts about my
future are by Nostradamus because I do not know the future and
could not have found them. So they say I invented the whole
thing!
*
If I did, from where did I get the information relating to the
circumstances of the unintended destruction of Paris? After all,
if I invented it, I must have had *some* information about it.
How come, in 25 years of careful study of Nostradamus' original
texts, the very idea that all these texts were a cipher *never*
crossed my mind? How come, even after having started the
deciphering of his poetry, it never dawned on me that I would
eventually find Nostradamus' secret about the Paris event?
*
And the answer is: Because, at the time, I did not even know
about it.
*
Have a nice day, folks!
*
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Claude Latr=E9mouille % -- "Claude! There ain't no stinkin' -- %
Le 10 mars 2007 --- % cryptic anagrams in them dang verses,- %
APNCL#1495 -------- % ya hear?!" (A chorus of a.p.n. voices) %
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=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D
=3D=3D=3D CLAUDE LATR=C9MOUILLE =3D=3D=3D
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
You fail on three counts before you start.
1) Assumption unless stated nothing should be assumed unless implicit
or alluded to.
2) Variation and sequencing. The amount of text given is too big for
an accurate reassembly and the order of the words is purely arbitary.
3) Dodgy scenarios like that sort of nonsense is going to come about
I know we ain't very smart but we ain't that Dumb.
On he subject of which if Nostie is so smart how come you are licking
his *****?
LB
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