The circumstances are suspicious, and plane
crashes are a commonly-used assassination
technique used to take out political targets.
Ron Brown is an example, as was Martha Mitchell
during Watergate.
I believe it might have been a Gladio sabotage,
and if anyone here can find the list of
passengers, would be grateful. If there were
any US miliary flag officers on the
list, then it would increase my suspicions.
If there were, then this is likely part of the
counter-coup between pro-Constitution offiers
and NeoCon/Israeli Loyalists.
NeoCons are Anti-Christ.
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| User: "tw" |
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15 Aug 2005 09:32:06 AM |
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"FourCell" <fourcell@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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The circumstances are suspicious, and plane
crashes are a commonly-used assassination
technique used to take out political targets.
LOL! What utter *****.
Ron Brown is an example, as was Martha Mitchell
during Watergate.
Nope, they're not. Borwn was an example of the folly of inexperienced pilots
landing in adverse weather.
I believe it might have been a Gladio sabotage,
A what?
and if anyone here can find the list of
passengers, would be grateful.
Why not phone up one of the grieving relatives and ask them?
If there were any US miliary flag officers on the
list, then it would increase my suspicions.
??
If there were, then this is likely part of the
counter-coup between pro-Constitution offiers
and NeoCon/Israeli Loyalists.
You're quite obviously a fucking kook.
NeoCons are Anti-Christ.
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| User: "FourCell" |
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15 Aug 2005 11:52:40 AM |
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You're obviously getting everything you know from Fox News.
Airliners have been taken out many times to kils omeone
important on board. Check into the shoot-down of KAL 007
which took out Congressmenn Larry McDonald,
President Zia Al Khalq of Pakistan
Martha Mitchell,
and many others, and those are just a few off the top of my
head.
I'm not surprise you never heard of Gladio, or the many Fascist
organizaions
that make up the real power in Europe. You have your couterparts in the
US,
and they have strong ties to Gladio and to Al Qaeda. Each one serves
the
other - The more Al Qaeda gets, the more the Fascists get - Power.
Since you find it tempting to call anyone who tells you there is no
Tooth
Fairy a 'Kook', believe in your Tooth Fairy. I don't care.
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| User: "tw" |
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16 Aug 2005 02:22:47 AM |
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"FourCell" <fourcell@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1124124760.688032.24330@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
You're obviously getting everything you know from Fox News.
Nope..though I'd love to know where you're getting yours from..
Airliners have been taken out many times to kils omeone
important on board. Check into the shoot-down of KAL 007
which took out Congressmenn Larry McDonald,
LOL! Do you honestly think he was that imprtant? KAL007 was shot down
because it strayed over Soviet Airspace at a particularly tense time, you
gibbering moron. Why ON EARTH would the soviets want to kill McDonald?
President Zia Al Khalq of Pakistan
Proof?
Martha Mitchell,
Proof?
and many others, and those are just a few off the top of my
head.
I see you've dropped the claim about ROn Brown now though. See? YOu CAN
learn.
I'm not surprise you never heard of Gladio, or the many Fascist
organizaions
that make up the real power in Europe.
Make up your paranoid delusion, more like.
You have your couterparts in the
US,
I'm not from the US you empty-pated pissant.
and they have strong ties to Gladio and to Al Qaeda. Each one serves
the
other - The more Al Qaeda gets, the more the Fascists get - Power.
Since you find it tempting to call anyone who tells you there is no
Tooth
Fairy a 'Kook', believe in your Tooth Fairy. I don't care.
You're the one believeing in tooth fairies, you foaming kook *****.
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| User: "Woodswun" |
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16 Aug 2005 04:47:03 PM |
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tw wrote:
"FourCell" <fourcell@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1124124760.688032.24330@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
You're obviously getting everything you know from Fox News.
Nope..though I'd love to know where you're getting yours from..
Airliners have been taken out many times to kils omeone
important on board. Check into the shoot-down of KAL 007
which took out Congressmenn Larry McDonald,
LOL! Do you honestly think he was that imprtant? KAL007 was shot down
because it strayed over Soviet Airspace at a particularly tense time, you
gibbering moron. Why ON EARTH would the soviets want to kill McDonald?
Also, a US military plane was flying in and out of Russian airspace.
Russia thought the KAL flight was the American military aircraft.
Woods
President Zia Al Khalq of Pakistan
Proof?
Martha Mitchell,
Proof?
and many others, and those are just a few off the top of my
head.
I see you've dropped the claim about ROn Brown now though. See? YOu CAN
learn.
I'm not surprise you never heard of Gladio, or the many Fascist
organizaions
that make up the real power in Europe.
Make up your paranoid delusion, more like.
You have your couterparts in the
US,
I'm not from the US you empty-pated pissant.
and they have strong ties to Gladio and to Al Qaeda. Each one serves
the
other - The more Al Qaeda gets, the more the Fascists get - Power.
Since you find it tempting to call anyone who tells you there is no
Tooth
Fairy a 'Kook', believe in your Tooth Fairy. I don't care.
You're the one believeing in tooth fairies, you foaming kook *****.
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| User: "Tom" |
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17 Aug 2005 10:40:02 AM |
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"Woodswun" <woodswun@tepidmail.com> wrote in message
news:r9tMe.25436$EX.21019@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
tw wrote:
"FourCell" <fourcell@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1124124760.688032.24330@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
You're obviously getting everything you know from Fox News.
Nope..though I'd love to know where you're getting yours from..
Airliners have been taken out many times to kils omeone
important on board. Check into the shoot-down of KAL 007
which took out Congressmenn Larry McDonald,
LOL! Do you honestly think he was that imprtant? KAL007 was shot down
because it strayed over Soviet Airspace at a particularly tense time,
you
gibbering moron. Why ON EARTH would the soviets want to kill McDonald?
Also, a US military plane was flying in and out of Russian airspace.
Russia thought the KAL flight was the American military aircraft.
Being an incurable miltary aviatino geek I can give you more information on
this than you\re ever likely to need (or want).
Various flavours of RC-135 recce aircraft had indeed been seen buzzing
around that area in recent times which was a factor. An even greater factor
was that Sov pilots in the area had recently been forced to carry out their
missions with drastically reduced fuel loads due to a cople of their
colleagues having defected to Japan.
What appears to have happened that evening was that KAL007 drifted off
course and went over Kamchatka. Head office were screaming blue murder that
they get someone up and intercept that plane before it flew over any more,
chap whose name I forget busted his hump getting there and ended up on its
wing with little more than fumes in his tank. He didn't have time to hang
about trying to attract the aircraft's attention, and he was looking at a
posting to the nearest salt mine if he didn't stop it somehow.. so down it
came :-(
Woods
President Zia Al Khalq of Pakistan
Proof?
Martha Mitchell,
Proof?
and many others, and those are just a few off the top of my
head.
I see you've dropped the claim about ROn Brown now though. See? YOu CAN
learn.
I'm not surprise you never heard of Gladio, or the many Fascist
organizaions
that make up the real power in Europe.
Make up your paranoid delusion, more like.
You have your couterparts in the
US,
I'm not from the US you empty-pated pissant.
and they have strong ties to Gladio and to Al Qaeda. Each one serves
the
other - The more Al Qaeda gets, the more the Fascists get - Power.
Since you find it tempting to call anyone who tells you there is no
Tooth
Fairy a 'Kook', believe in your Tooth Fairy. I don't care.
You're the one believeing in tooth fairies, you foaming kook *****.
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| User: "Woodswun" |
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| Title: Re: The Greek airliner crash |
17 Aug 2005 04:45:26 PM |
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Tom wrote:
"Woodswun" <woodswun@tepidmail.com> wrote in message
news:r9tMe.25436$EX.21019@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
tw wrote:
"FourCell" <fourcell@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1124124760.688032.24330@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
You're obviously getting everything you know from Fox News.
Nope..though I'd love to know where you're getting yours from..
Airliners have been taken out many times to kils omeone
important on board. Check into the shoot-down of KAL 007
which took out Congressmenn Larry McDonald,
LOL! Do you honestly think he was that imprtant? KAL007 was shot down
because it strayed over Soviet Airspace at a particularly tense time,
you
gibbering moron. Why ON EARTH would the soviets want to kill McDonald?
Also, a US military plane was flying in and out of Russian airspace.
Russia thought the KAL flight was the American military aircraft.
Being an incurable miltary aviatino geek I can give you more information on
this than you\re ever likely to need (or want).
Various flavours of RC-135 recce aircraft had indeed been seen buzzing
around that area in recent times which was a factor. An even greater factor
was that Sov pilots in the area had recently been forced to carry out their
missions with drastically reduced fuel loads due to a cople of their
colleagues having defected to Japan.
What appears to have happened that evening was that KAL007 drifted off
course and went over Kamchatka. Head office were screaming blue murder that
they get someone up and intercept that plane before it flew over any more,
chap whose name I forget busted his hump getting there and ended up on its
wing with little more than fumes in his tank. He didn't have time to hang
about trying to attract the aircraft's attention, and he was looking at a
posting to the nearest salt mine if he didn't stop it somehow.. so down it
came :-(
That's unfortunate. :-(
Woods
Woods
President Zia Al Khalq of Pakistan
Proof?
Martha Mitchell,
Proof?
and many others, and those are just a few off the top of my
head.
I see you've dropped the claim about ROn Brown now though. See? YOu CAN
learn.
I'm not surprise you never heard of Gladio, or the many Fascist
organizaions
that make up the real power in Europe.
Make up your paranoid delusion, more like.
You have your couterparts in the
US,
I'm not from the US you empty-pated pissant.
and they have strong ties to Gladio and to Al Qaeda. Each one serves
the
other - The more Al Qaeda gets, the more the Fascists get - Power.
Since you find it tempting to call anyone who tells you there is no
Tooth
Fairy a 'Kook', believe in your Tooth Fairy. I don't care.
You're the one believeing in tooth fairies, you foaming kook *****.
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| User: "Cardinal Chunder" |
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15 Aug 2005 11:18:36 AM |
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FourCell wrote:
The circumstances are suspicious, and plane
crashes are a commonly-used assassination
technique used to take out political targets.
Ron Brown is an example, as was Martha Mitchell
during Watergate.
I believe it might have been a Gladio sabotage,
and if anyone here can find the list of
passengers, would be grateful. If there were
any US miliary flag officers on the
list, then it would increase my suspicions.
If there were, then this is likely part of the
counter-coup between pro-Constitution offiers
and NeoCon/Israeli Loyalists.
NeoCons are Anti-Christ.
There are two ways to look at breaking news such as plane crash.
The first way is to watch the news, visit sites like airdisaster.com,
read about previous & similar incidents, read from pilots &
investigators who have knowledge about such matters, and if you're
really interested track the story through its stages to the final report.
The second way is wig out, accuse Neocon / Israeli loyalists of some
konspiracy and generally lose touch with reality even before you've
completed the first sentence.
I can see you prefer the second option.
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| User: "FourCell" |
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17 Aug 2005 01:36:37 PM |
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It happens that there are more than two options.
For example, Flight 800, when pilots saw the missile,
wittnesses standing on the beach saw and videotaped
a missile (tapes confiscated), etc., etc.
Then the Press Releases shut the whole thing down, once
and for all, with their convient 'cover'. Much of the truth was
revealed by the early accounts, and as time wen one, was
buried.
Not just in the case of TWA flight 800. In the first few
minutes after JFK was assassinated, witnesses near t
the Grassy Knoll ran up to police saying they'd seen
someone fire from behind the fence on the knoll and
heard the shots from
nearby.
Interstingly enough, some of those same witnesses
didn't live much longer. There is a video tape that was
broadcast by NBC on the 20th annivesary of the JFK
assassination.
It was 8 hours of live coverage, starting from the arrival
of the President at Dallas-Ft. Worth airport, until the
announcement of his death at Parkland Hospital. Live
coverage. In the first minutes after gunfire was heard,
and everyone was scrambling around, a woman ran up
to the reporter and camermen, and said "I saw it, I saw
the one who shot him. She pointed to the knoll and
gave details.Unfortunately, she also mentioned her name
and address. I later checked in a list of the some 180
people connected to the day of the assassination that
died within 24 months, and her name was there -
murdered during a 'robbery' at her home, less than
a week after the JFK assassination. Maybe just a
coincidence. Some things you don't say on live TV.
Two of the shooters didn't live much longer.
There's more that happens that get's swept under
the carpet than you could possibly imagine.
It's not about technology, it's about power.
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| User: "Tom" |
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17 Aug 2005 02:23:03 PM |
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"FourCell" <fourcell@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1124303797.330138.146500@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
It happens that there are more than two options.
For example, Flight 800, when pilots saw the missile,
wittnesses standing on the beach saw and videotaped
a missile (tapes confiscated), etc., etc.
Then the Press Releases shut the whole thing down, once
and for all, with their convient 'cover'. Much of the truth was
revealed by the early accounts, and as time wen one, was
buried.
Not just in the case of TWA flight 800. In the first few
minutes after JFK was assassinated, witnesses near t
the Grassy Knoll ran up to police saying they'd seen
someone fire from behind the fence on the knoll and
heard the shots from
nearby.
Interstingly enough, some of those same witnesses
didn't live much longer. There is a video tape that was
broadcast by NBC on the 20th annivesary of the JFK
assassination.
It was 8 hours of live coverage, starting from the arrival
of the President at Dallas-Ft. Worth airport, until the
announcement of his death at Parkland Hospital. Live
coverage. In the first minutes after gunfire was heard,
and everyone was scrambling around, a woman ran up
to the reporter and camermen, and said "I saw it, I saw
the one who shot him. She pointed to the knoll and
gave details.Unfortunately, she also mentioned her name
and address. I later checked in a list of the some 180
people connected to the day of the assassination that
died within 24 months, and her name was there -
murdered during a 'robbery' at her home, less than
a week after the JFK assassination. Maybe just a
coincidence. Some things you don't say on live TV.
Two of the shooters didn't live much longer.
There's more that happens that get's swept under
the carpet than you could possibly imagine.
It's not about technology, it's about power.
Oh *****
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| User: "Krib" |
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17 Aug 2005 03:31:10 PM |
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"FourCell" <fourcell@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1124303797.330138.146500@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
I later checked in a list of the some 180
people connected to the day of the assassination that
died within 24 months, and her name was there -
And her name was?
Two of the shooters didn't live much longer.
Evidence of these shooters existing anywhere but in your fairytale?
There's more that happens that get's swept under
the carpet than you could possibly imagine.
It's not about technology, it's about power.
Or about fairytales and narcissism on the part of the teller.
--
krib
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| User: "" |
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18 Aug 2005 10:22:47 AM |
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On 17 Aug 2005 11:36:37 -0700, "FourCell" <fourcell@hotmail.com>
wrote:
It happens that there are more than two options.
For example, Flight 800, when pilots saw the missile,
wittnesses standing on the beach saw and videotaped
a missile (tapes confiscated), etc., etc.
Then the Press Releases shut the whole thing down, once
and for all, with their convient 'cover'. Much of the truth was
revealed by the early accounts, and as time wen one, was
buried.
Not just in the case of TWA flight 800. In the first few
minutes after JFK was assassinated, witnesses near t
the Grassy Knoll ran up to police saying they'd seen
someone fire from behind the fence on the knoll and
heard the shots from
nearby.
Interstingly enough, some of those same witnesses
didn't live much longer. There is a video tape that was
broadcast by NBC on the 20th annivesary of the JFK
assassination.
It was 8 hours of live coverage, starting from the arrival
of the President at Dallas-Ft. Worth airport, until the
announcement of his death at Parkland Hospital. Live
coverage. In the first minutes after gunfire was heard,
and everyone was scrambling around, a woman ran up
to the reporter and camermen, and said "I saw it, I saw
the one who shot him. She pointed to the knoll and
gave details.Unfortunately, she also mentioned her name
and address. I later checked in a list of the some 180
people connected to the day of the assassination that
died within 24 months, and her name was there -
murdered during a 'robbery' at her home, less than
a week after the JFK assassination. Maybe just a
coincidence. Some things you don't say on live TV.
Two of the shooters didn't live much longer.
There's more that happens that get's swept under
the carpet than you could possibly imagine.
It's not about technology, it's about power.
This is exactly the message I am trying to get through. Don't believe
everything you read. Whenever an event happens whether good or bad, I
always ask myself "who benefits", if people used this analogy before
they believed all the media crap being spewed out these days, maybe
they would start looking for the truth behind every story.
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| User: "FourCell" |
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15 Aug 2005 11:59:22 AM |
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Why can't one do the former, and at the same time, notice
the similiarity to previous airline sabotage, usually
that seem to happen in the Mediterranean area, and
pose the questions.
That's the third option I raised. Since when does a loss
of oxygen cause an entire airliner, pilot and crew to
freeze solid?
Care to find how many similiar incidents have occured in the
past - maybe one? If so, post it here. I'm curious.
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| User: "tw" |
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16 Aug 2005 02:24:14 AM |
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"FourCell" <fourcell@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1124125162.889732.269100@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Why can't one do the former, and at the same time, notice
the similiarity to previous airline sabotage, usually
that seem to happen in the Mediterranean area, and
pose the questions.
Please indicate what proven incidents of aircaft sabotage you are referring
to, kook.
That's the third option I raised. Since when does a loss
of oxygen cause an entire airliner, pilot and crew to
freeze solid?
Since when did anyone say taht's what happened, kook?
Care to find how many similiar incidents have occured in the
past - maybe one? If so, post it here. I'm curious.
Pilots and crew losing losing consciousness due to hypoxia, resulting in a
crash? Google Payne Stewart, kook.
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| User: "Krib" |
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15 Aug 2005 12:47:09 PM |
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"FourCell" <fourcell@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1124125162.889732.269100@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
That's the third option I raised. Since when does a loss
of oxygen cause an entire airliner, pilot and crew to
freeze solid?
It doesn't but a sudden loss of cabin pressure can expose the passengers
and crew to sustained temperatures as low as -50 C trying to breath
virtual vacuum at that temperature will achieve the effects observed
in very short order.
Of course it doesn't fill your conspiracy kook needs but even when the actual
outcome is announced morons like you will still not believe it because if you
can be wrong once then what hope for all the other ***** you like to make up eh?
Care to find how many similiar incidents have occured in the
past - maybe one? If so, post it here. I'm curious.
http://www.airsafe.com/stewart.htm
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krib
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| User: "Cardinal Chunder" |
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15 Aug 2005 01:28:55 PM |
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FourCell wrote:
Why can't one do the former, and at the same time, notice
the similiarity to previous airline sabotage, usually
that seem to happen in the Mediterranean area, and
pose the questions.
Because you have absolutely no basis in fact for doing so. Reasoning
does not need you to leap to highly unlikely conclusions in the absence
of evidence.
That's the third option I raised. Since when does a loss
of oxygen cause an entire airliner, pilot and crew to
freeze solid?
A depressurized aircraft would be extremely cold in addition to not
having enough oxygen. If the thing was on autopilot, it might well
explain why the crash happened some time after most people were already
dead.
Care to find how many similiar incidents have occured in the
past - maybe one? If so, post it here. I'm curious.
Read airdisaster.com and you'll get two. Payne Stewart being one of them
but also an incident with a 737. Read the forums and you'll also see
pilots commenting on times when they've almost botched something which
could have caused a depressurization event.
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| User: "Woodswun" |
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| Title: Re: The Greek airliner crash |
15 Aug 2005 04:38:47 PM |
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FourCell wrote:
The circumstances are suspicious, and plane
crashes are a commonly-used assassination
technique used to take out political targets.
Ron Brown is an example, as was Martha Mitchell
during Watergate.
I believe it might have been a Gladio sabotage,
and if anyone here can find the list of
passengers, would be grateful. If there were
any US miliary flag officers on the
list, then it would increase my suspicions.
If there were, then this is likely part of the
counter-coup between pro-Constitution offiers
and NeoCon/Israeli Loyalists.
It was essentially an internal flight, full of tourists with children.
Not the type of flight that any US military officers would be on. I'd
say you're way off on all of the above.
NeoCons are Anti-Christ.
Might not be off so much on that one. ;-)
Woods
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