The Jesus Landing Pad
White House Checked With Rapture Christians
Before Latest Israel Move
By Rick Perlstein
The Village Voice
(Art by James Neff)
5-19-4
It was an e-mail we weren't meant to see. Not for our eyes were the
notes that showed White House staffers taking two-hour meetings with
Christian fundamentalists, where they passed off bogus social science
on gay marriage as if it were holy writ and issued fiery warnings that
"the Presidents [sic] Administration and current Government is engaged
in cultural, economical, and social struggle on every level" - this to
a group whose representative in Israel believed herself to have been
attacked by witchcraft unleashed by proximity to a volume of Harry
Potter. Most of all, apparently, we're not supposed to know the
National Security Council's top Middle East aide consults with
apocalyptic Christians eager to ensure American policy on Israel
conforms with their sectarian doomsday scenarios.
But now we know.
"Everything that you're discussing is information you're not supposed
to have," barked Pentecostal minister Robert G. Upton when asked about
the off-the-record briefing his delegation received on March 25.
Details of that meeting appear in a confidential memo signed by Upton
and obtained by the Voice.
The e-mailed meeting summary reveals NSC Near East and North African
Affairs director Elliott Abrams sitting down with the Apostolic
Congress and massaging their theological concerns. Claiming to be "the
Christian Voice in the Nation's Capital," the members vociferously
oppose the idea of a Palestinian state. They fear an Israeli
withdrawal from Gaza might enable just that, and they object on the
grounds that all of Old Testament Israel belongs to the Jews. Until
Israel is intact and David's temple rebuilt, they believe, Christ
won't come back to earth.
Abrams attempted to assuage their concerns by stating that "the Gaza
Strip had no significant Biblical influence such as Joseph's tomb or
Rachel's tomb and therefore is a piece of land that can be sacrificed
for the cause of peace."
Three weeks after the confab, President George W. Bush reversed
long-standing U.S. policy, endorsing Israeli sovereignty over parts of
the West Bank in exchange for Israel's disengagement from the Gaza
Strip.
In an interview with the Voice, Upton denied having written the
document, though it was sent out from an e-mail account of one of his
staffers and bears the organization's seal, which is nearly identical
to the Great Seal of the United States. Its idiosyncratic grammar and
punctuation tics also closely match those of texts on the Apostolic
Congress's website, and Upton verified key details it recounted,
including the number of participants in the meeting ("45 ministers
including wives") and its conclusion "with a heart-moving send-off of
the President in his Presidential helicopter."
Upton refused to confirm further details.
Affiliated with the United Pentecostal Church, the Apostolic Congress
is part of an important and disciplined political constituency courted
by recent Republican administrations. As a subset of the broader
Christian Zionist movement, it has a lengthy history of opposition to
any proposal that will not result in what it calls a "one-state
solution" in Israel.
The White House's association with the congress, which has just posted
a new staffer in Israel who may be running afoul of Israel's strict
anti-missionary laws, also raises diplomatic concerns.
The staffer, Kim Hadassah Johnson, wrote in a report obtained by the
Voice, "We are establishing the Meet the Need Fund in Israel - 'MNFI.'
.... The fund will be an Interest Free Loan Fund that will enable us to
loan funds to new believers (others upon application) who need
assistance. They will have the opportunity to repay the loan (although
it will not be mandatory)." When that language was read to Moshe Fox,
minister for public and interreligious affairs at the Israeli Embassy
in Washington, he responded, "It sounds against the law which
prohibits any kind of money or material [inducement] to make people
convert to another religion. That's what it sounds like." (Fox's
judgment was e-mailed to Johnson, who did not return a request for
comment.)
The Apostolic Congress dates its origins to 1981, when, according to
its website, "Brother Stan Wachtstetter was able to open the door to
Apostolic Christians into the White House." Apostolics, a sect of
Pentecostals, claim legitimacy as the heirs of the original church
because they, as the 12 apostles supposedly did, baptize converts in
the name of Jesus, not in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy
Spirit. Ronald Reagan bore theological affinities with such Christians
because of his belief that the world would end in a fiery Armageddon.
Reagan himself referenced this belief explicitly a half-dozen times
during his presidency.
While the language of apocalyptic Christianity is absent from George
W. Bush's speeches, he has proven eager to work with apocalyptics - a
point of pride for Upton. "We're in constant contact with the White
House," he boasts. "I'm briefed at least once a week via telephone
briefings... I was there about two weeks ago ... At that time we met
with the president."
Last spring, after President Bush announced his Road Map plan for
peace in the Middle East, the Apostolic Congress co-sponsored an
effort with the Jewish group Americans for a Safe Israel that placed
billboards in 23 cities with a quotation from Genesis ("Unto thy
offspring will I give this land") and the message, "Pray that
President Bush Honors God's Covenant with Israel. Call the White House
with this message." It then provided the White House phone number and
the Apostolic Congress's Web address.
In the interview with the Voice, Pastor Upton claimed personal
responsibility for directing 50,000 postcards to the White House
opposing the Road Map, which aims to create a Palestinian state. "I'm
in total disagreement with any form of Palestinian state," Upton said.
"Within a two-week period, getting 50,000 postcards saying the exact
same thing from places all over the country, that resonated with the
White House. That really caused [President Bush] to backpedal on the
Road Map."
When I sought to confirm Upton's account of the meeting with the White
House, I was directed to National Security Council spokesman Frederick
Jones, whose initial response upon being read a list of the names of
White House staffers present was a curt, "You know half the people you
just mentioned are Jewish?"
When asked for comment on top White House staffers meeting with
representatives of an organization that may be breaking Israeli law,
Jones responded, "Why would the White House comment on that?"
When asked whose job it is in the administration to study the Bible to
discern what parts of Israel were or weren't acceptable sacrifices for
peace, Jones said that his previous statements had been
off-the-record.
When Pastor Upton was asked to explain why the group's website
describes the Apostolic Congress as "the Christian Voice in the
nation's capital," instead of simply a Christian voice in the nation's
capital, he responded, "There has been a real lack of leadership in
having someone emerge as a Christian voice, someone who doesn't speak
for the right, someone who doesn't speak for the left, but someone who
speaks for the people, and someone who speaks from a theocratical
perspective."
When his words were repeated back to him to make sure he had said a
"theocratical" perspective, not a "theological" perspective, he said,
"Exactly. Exactly. We want to know what God would have us say or what
God would have us do in every issue."
The Middle East was not the only issue discussed at the March 25
meeting. James Wilkinson, deputy national security advisor for
communications, spoke first and is characterized as stating that the
9-11 Commission "is portraying those who have given their all to
protect this nation as 'weak on terrorism,' " that "99 percent of all
the men and women protecting us in this fight against terrorism are
career citizens," and offered the example of Frances Town-send, deputy
national security adviser for combating terrorism, "who sacrificed
Christmas to do a 'security video' conference."
Tim Goeglein, deputy director of public liaison and the White House's
point man with evangelical Christians, moderated, and he also spoke on
the issue of same-sex marriage. According to the memo, he asked the
rhetorical questions: "What will happen to our country if that
actually happens? What do those pushing such hope to gain?" His
answer: "They want to change America." How so? He quoted the research
of Hoover Institute senior fellow Stanley Kurtz, who holds that since
gay marriage was legalized in Scandinavia, marriage itself has
virtually ceased to exist. (In fact, since Sweden instituted a
registered-partnership law for same-sex couples in the mid '90s, there
has been no overall change in the marriage and divorce rates there.)
It is Matt Schlapp, White House political director and Karl Rove's
chief lieutenant, who was paraphrased as stating "that the Presidents
Administration and current Government is engaged in cultural,
economical, and social struggle on every level."
Also present at the meeting was Kristen Silverberg, deputy assistant
to the president for domestic policy. (None of the participants
responded to interview requests.)
The meeting was closed by Goeglein, who was asked, "What can we do to
assist in this fight for these issues and our nations [sic] foundation
and values?" and who reportedly responded, "Pray, pray, pray, pray."
The Apostolic Congress's representative in Israel, Kim Johnson, is
ethnically Jewish, keeps kosher, and holds herself to the sumptuary
standards of Orthodox Jewish women, so as to better blend in to her
surroundings.
In one letter home obtained by the Voice she notes that many of the
Apostolic Christians she works with in Israel are Filipino women
"married to Jewish men - who on occasion accompany their wives to
meetings. We are planning to start a fellowship with this select group
where we can meet for dinners and get to know one another. Please Pray
for the timing and formation of such." Elsewhere she talks of a
discussion with someone "on the pitfalls and aggravations of
Christians who missionize Jews." She works often among the Jewish poor
- the kind of people who might be interested in interest-free loans -
and is thrilled to "meet the outcasts of this Land - how wonderful
because they are in the in-casts for His Kingdom."
An ecstatic figure who from her own reports appears to operate at the
edge of sanity ("Two of the three nights in my apartment I have been
attacked by a hair raising spirit of fear," she writes, noting the
sublet contained a Harry Potter book; "at this time I am associating
it with witchcraft"), Johnson has also met with Knesset member Gila
Gamliel. (Gamliel did not respond to interview requests.) She also
boasted of an imminent meeting with a "Knesset leader."
"At this point and for all future mails it is important for me to note
that this country has very stiff anti-missionary laws," she warns the
followers back home. [D]iscretion is required in all mails. This is
particularly important to understand when people write mails or ask
about organization efforts regarding such."
Her boss, Pastor Upton, displays a photograph on the Apostolic
Congress website of a meeting between himself and Beny Elon, Prime
Minister Sharon's tourism minister, famous in Israel for his advocacy
of the expulsion of Palestinians from Israeli-controlled lands.
His spokesman in the U.S., Ronn Torassian, affirmed that "Minister
Elon knows Mr. Upton well," but when asked whether he is aware that
Mr. Upton's staffer may be breaking Israel's anti-missionary laws,
snapped: "It's not something he's interested in discussing with The
Village Voice."
In addition to its work in Israel, the Apostolic Congress is part of
the increasingly Christian public face of pro-Israel activities in the
United States. Don Wagner, author of the book Anxious for Armageddon,
has been studying Christian Zionism for 15 years, and believes that
the current hard-line pro-Israel movement in the U.S. is
"predominantly gentile." Often, devotees work in concert with Jewish
groups like Americans for a Safe Israel, or AFSI, which set up a
mostly Christian Committee for a One-State Solution as the sponsor of
last year's billboard campaign. The committee's board included, in
addition to Upton, such evangelical luminaries as Gary Bauer and E.E.
"Ed" McAteer of the Religious Roundtable.
AFSI's executive director, Helen Freedman, confirms the increasingly
Christian cast of her coalition. "We have many good Jews, of course,"
she says, "but they're in the minority." She adds, "The liberal Jew is
unable to believe the Arab when he says his goal is to Islamize the
West... But I believe it. And evangelical Christians believe it."
Of Jews who might otherwise support her group's view of Jews' divine
right to Israel, she laments, "They're embarrassed about quoting the
Bible, about referring to the Covenant, about talking about the
Promised Land."
Pastor Upton is not embarrassed, and Helen Freedman is proud of her
association with him. She is wistful when asked if she, like Upton,
has been able to finagle a meeting with the president. "Pastor Upton
is the head of a whole Apostolic Congress," she laments. "It's a
nationwide group of evangelicals."
Upton has something Freedman covets: a voting bloc.
She laughs off concerns that, for Christian Zionists, actual Jews
living in Israel serve as mere props for their end-time scenario: "We
have a different conception of what [the end of the world] will be
like ... Whoever is right will rejoice, and whoever was wrong will
say, 'Whoops!' "
She's not worried, either, about evangelical anti-Semitism: "I don't
think it exists," she says. She does say, however, that it would
concern her if she learned the Apostolic Congress had a representative
in Israel trying to win converts: "If we discovered that people were
trying to convert Jews to Christianity, we would be very upset."
Kim Johnson doesn't call it converting Jews to Christianity. She calls
it "Circumcision of the Heart" - a spiritual circumcision Jews must
undergo because, she writes in paraphrase of Jeremiah, chapter 9, "God
will destroy all the uncircumcised nations along with the House of
Israel, because the House of Israel is uncircumcised in the heart ...
[I]t is through the Gospel ... that men's hearts are circumcised."
Apostolics believe that only 144,000 Jews who have not, prior to the
Second Coming of Christ, acknowledged Jesus as the Messiah will be
saved in the end times. Though even for those who do not believe in
this literal interpretation of the Bible - or for anyone who lives in
Israel, or who cares about Israel, or whose security might be affected
by a widespread conflagration in the Middle East, which is everyone -
the scriptural prophecies of the Christian Zionists should be the
least of their worries.
Instead, we should be worried about self-fulfilling prophecies.
"Biblically," stated one South Carolina minister in support of the
anti-Road Map billboard campaign, "there's always going to be a war."
Don Wagner, an evangelical, worries that in the Republican Party,
people who believe this "are dominating the discourse now, in an
election year." He calls the attempt to yoke Scripture to current
events "a modern heresy, with cultish proportions.
"I mean, it's appalling," he rails on. "And it also shows how
marginalized mainstream Christian thinking, and the majority of
evangelical thought, have become."
It demonstrates, he says, "the absolute convergence of the
neoconservatives with the Christian Zionists and the pro-Israel lobby,
driving U.S. Mideast policy."
The problem is not that George W. Bush is discussing policy with
people who press right-wing solutions to achieve peace in the Middle
East, or with devout Christians. It is that he is discussing policy
with Christians who might not care about peace at all - at least until
the rapture.
The Jewish pro-Israel lobby, in the interests of peace for those
living in the present, might want to consider a disengagement.
Copyright © 2004 Village Voice Media, Inc., 36 Cooper Square, New
York, NY 10003
http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0420/perlstein.php
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20 May 2004 10:23:38 AM |
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a écrit:
The Jesus Landing Pad
White House Checked With Rapture Christians
Before Latest Israel Move
By Rick Perlstein
The Village Voice
(Art by James Neff)
5-19-4
It was an e-mail we weren't meant to see. Not for our eyes were the
notes that showed White House staffers taking two-hour meetings with
Christian fundamentalists, where they passed off bogus social science
on gay marriage
You doN,t like it becasue your anti-semite boy friend wants to marry you zaakaass?
J.
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20 May 2004 06:43:21 PM |
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Jean Guernon <jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote in message news:<_34rc.15856975$Of.2643641@news.easynews.com>...
Zak@home.com a écrit:
The Jesus Landing Pad
White House Checked With Rapture Christians
Before Latest Israel Move
By Rick Perlstein
The Village Voice
(Art by James Neff)
5-19-4
It was an e-mail we weren't meant to see. Not for our eyes were the
notes that showed White House staffers taking two-hour meetings with
Christian fundamentalists, where they passed off bogus social science
on gay marriage
You doN,t like it becasue your anti-semite boy friend wants to marry you zaakaass?
J.
How do the jews stand on the Rapture, being as it is supposedly for
them, and no others?
LB
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21 May 2004 06:59:37 AM |
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On Thu, 20 May 2004 15:23:38 GMT, Jean Guernon
<jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote:
Zak@home.com a écrit:
The Jesus Landing Pad
White House Checked With Rapture Christians
Before Latest Israel Move
By Rick Perlstein
The Village Voice
(Art by James Neff)
5-19-4
It was an e-mail we weren't meant to see. Not for our eyes were the
notes that showed White House staffers taking two-hour meetings with
Christian fundamentalists, where they passed off bogus social science
on gay marriage
You doN,t like it becasue your anti-semite boy friend wants to marry you zaakaass?
J.
You have to get some new retorts there FROG, we all know that anyone
who dosen't agree with you is an anti-semite. Or maybe as you say 'in
your dreams'.
Get a life furrball you dumb crackhead loser.
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21 May 2004 10:47:01 AM |
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a écrit:
On Thu, 20 May 2004 15:23:38 GMT, Jean Guernon
<jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote:
a écrit:
The Jesus Landing Pad
White House Checked With Rapture Christians
Before Latest Israel Move
By Rick Perlstein
The Village Voice
(Art by James Neff)
5-19-4
It was an e-mail we weren't meant to see. Not for our eyes were the
notes that showed White House staffers taking two-hour meetings with
Christian fundamentalists, where they passed off bogus social science
on gay marriage
You doN,t like it becasue your anti-semite boy friend wants to marry you zaakaass?
J.
You have to get some new retorts there FROG, we all know that anyone
who dosen't agree with you is an anti-semite. Or maybe as you say 'in
your dreams'.
Get a life furrball you dumb crackhead loser.
Again with the drug lie. You must be full of crack, besides ebing full of *****,
given that youa re the only one on this NG that speaks about that.
But let's see what you pretend, here, shall we?
Are you saying you like Jews now, zakass?
J.
J.
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21 May 2004 01:00:47 PM |
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Hey Jean,
Just curious, what is 'rapture'. Kinda like a spiritual orgasm?
-ex
"Jean Guernon" <jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote in message
news:Vvprc.15926825$Of.2653964@news.easynews.com...
Zak@home.com a écrit:
On Thu, 20 May 2004 15:23:38 GMT, Jean Guernon
<jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote:
Zak@home.com a écrit:
The Jesus Landing Pad
White House Checked With Rapture Christians
Before Latest Israel Move
By Rick Perlstein
The Village Voice
(Art by James Neff)
5-19-4
It was an e-mail we weren't meant to see. Not for our eyes were the
notes that showed White House staffers taking two-hour meetings with
Christian fundamentalists, where they passed off bogus social science
on gay marriage
You doN,t like it becasue your anti-semite boy friend wants to marry you
zaakaass?
J.
You have to get some new retorts there FROG, we all know that anyone
who dosen't agree with you is an anti-semite. Or maybe as you say 'in
your dreams'.
Get a life furrball you dumb crackhead loser.
Again with the drug lie. You must be full of crack, besides ebing full of
*****,
given that youa re the only one on this NG that speaks about that.
But let's see what you pretend, here, shall we?
Are you saying you like Jews now, zakass?
J.
J.
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22 May 2004 11:28:46 AM |
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As zaakaass, and see how much he knows (zlitch) about the lies he posts.
J.
ex a écrit:
Hey Jean,
Just curious, what is 'rapture'. Kinda like a spiritual orgasm?
-ex
"Jean Guernon" <jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote in message
news:Vvprc.15926825$Of.2653964@news.easynews.com...
Zak@home.com a écrit:
On Thu, 20 May 2004 15:23:38 GMT, Jean Guernon
<jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote:
Zak@home.com a écrit:
The Jesus Landing Pad
White House Checked With Rapture Christians
Before Latest Israel Move
By Rick Perlstein
The Village Voice
(Art by James Neff)
5-19-4
It was an e-mail we weren't meant to see. Not for our eyes were the
notes that showed White House staffers taking two-hour meetings with
Christian fundamentalists, where they passed off bogus social science
on gay marriage
You doN,t like it becasue your anti-semite boy friend wants to marry you
zaakaass?
J.
You have to get some new retorts there FROG, we all know that anyone
who dosen't agree with you is an anti-semite. Or maybe as you say 'in
your dreams'.
Get a life furrball you dumb crackhead loser.
Again with the drug lie. You must be full of crack, besides ebing full of
*****,
given that youa re the only one on this NG that speaks about that.
But let's see what you pretend, here, shall we?
Are you saying you like Jews now, zakass?
J.
J.
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22 May 2004 11:30:06 AM |
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Ask zaakaass, and see how much he knows (zlitch) about the lies he posts.
J.
ex a écrit:
Hey Jean,
Just curious, what is 'rapture'. Kinda like a spiritual orgasm?
-ex
"Jean Guernon" <jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote in message
news:Vvprc.15926825$Of.2653964@news.easynews.com...
Zak@home.com a écrit:
On Thu, 20 May 2004 15:23:38 GMT, Jean Guernon
<jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote:
Zak@home.com a écrit:
The Jesus Landing Pad
White House Checked With Rapture Christians
Before Latest Israel Move
By Rick Perlstein
The Village Voice
(Art by James Neff)
5-19-4
It was an e-mail we weren't meant to see. Not for our eyes were the
notes that showed White House staffers taking two-hour meetings with
Christian fundamentalists, where they passed off bogus social science
on gay marriage
You doN,t like it becasue your anti-semite boy friend wants to marry you
zaakaass?
J.
You have to get some new retorts there FROG, we all know that anyone
who dosen't agree with you is an anti-semite. Or maybe as you say 'in
your dreams'.
Get a life furrball you dumb crackhead loser.
Again with the drug lie. You must be full of crack, besides ebing full of
*****,
given that youa re the only one on this NG that speaks about that.
But let's see what you pretend, here, shall we?
Are you saying you like Jews now, zakass?
J.
J.
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23 May 2004 08:12:42 AM |
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On Sat, 22 May 2004 16:30:06 GMT, Jean Guernon
<jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote:
Ask zaakaass, and see how much he knows (zlitch) about the lies he posts.
J.
ex a écrit:
Hey Jean,
Just curious, what is 'rapture'. Kinda like a spiritual orgasm?
-ex
"Jean Guernon" <jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote in message
news:Vvprc.15926825$Of.2653964@news.easynews.com...
Zak@home.com a écrit:
On Thu, 20 May 2004 15:23:38 GMT, Jean Guernon
<jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote:
Zak@home.com a écrit:
The Jesus Landing Pad
White House Checked With Rapture Christians
Before Latest Israel Move
By Rick Perlstein
The Village Voice
(Art by James Neff)
5-19-4
It was an e-mail we weren't meant to see. Not for our eyes were the
notes that showed White House staffers taking two-hour meetings with
Christian fundamentalists, where they passed off bogus social science
on gay marriage
You doN,t like it becasue your anti-semite boy friend wants to marry you
zaakaass?
J.
You have to get some new retorts there FROG, we all know that anyone
who dosen't agree with you is an anti-semite. Or maybe as you say 'in
your dreams'.
Get a life furrball you dumb crackhead loser.
Again with the drug lie. You must be full of crack, besides ebing full of
*****,
given that youa re the only one on this NG that speaks about that.
But let's see what you pretend, here, shall we?
Are you saying you like Jews now, zakass?
J.
J.
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O.K. so I guess I was right there FROG, you can't be reasoned with. So
I guess it's back to the same old same old.
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25 May 2004 03:35:54 PM |
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In other words, you have no clue about what you post.
And no, you have no say about this NG, you can only help the NG if you leave.
You have no relevancy whatsoever with apn, never had any.
You know it, I know it, Everyone knows it.
Do go flush yourself, THEN we can talk.
J.
Zak@home.com a écrit:
On Sat, 22 May 2004 16:30:06 GMT, Jean Guernon
<jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote:
Ask zaakaass, and see how much he knows (zlitch) about the lies he posts.
J.
ex a écrit:
Hey Jean,
Just curious, what is 'rapture'. Kinda like a spiritual orgasm?
-ex
"Jean Guernon" <jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote in message
news:Vvprc.15926825$Of.2653964@news.easynews.com...
Zak@home.com a écrit:
On Thu, 20 May 2004 15:23:38 GMT, Jean Guernon
<jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote:
Zak@home.com a écrit:
The Jesus Landing Pad
White House Checked With Rapture Christians
Before Latest Israel Move
By Rick Perlstein
The Village Voice
(Art by James Neff)
5-19-4
It was an e-mail we weren't meant to see. Not for our eyes were the
notes that showed White House staffers taking two-hour meetings with
Christian fundamentalists, where they passed off bogus social science
on gay marriage
You doN,t like it becasue your anti-semite boy friend wants to marry you
zaakaass?
J.
You have to get some new retorts there FROG, we all know that anyone
who dosen't agree with you is an anti-semite. Or maybe as you say 'in
your dreams'.
Get a life furrball you dumb crackhead loser.
Again with the drug lie. You must be full of crack, besides ebing full of
*****,
given that youa re the only one on this NG that speaks about that.
But let's see what you pretend, here, shall we?
Are you saying you like Jews now, zakass?
J.
J.
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O.K. so I guess I was right there FROG, you can't be reasoned with. So
I guess it's back to the same old same old.
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26 May 2004 07:02:43 AM |
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On Tue, 25 May 2004 20:35:54 GMT, Jean Guernon
<jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote:
In other words, you have no clue about what you post.
And no, you have no say about this NG, you can only help the NG if you leave.
You have no relevancy whatsoever with apn, never had any.
You know it, I know it, Everyone knows it.
Do go flush yourself, THEN we can talk.
J.
You had your chance FROG, Now I shall start tormenting you worse than
ever furrball. So buckle up and get ready for a posting frenzy.
Hahahahaha
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| User: "MaxBlast36" |
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25 May 2004 05:00:17 PM |
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Subject: Re: The Jesus Landing Pad
From: Jean Guernon
Date: 5/25/2004 4:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id: <K6Osc.5274350$iA2.616388@news.easynews.com>
In other words, you have no clue about what you post.
And no, you have no say about this NG, you can only help the NG if you leave.
You have no relevancy whatsoever with apn, never had any.
You know it, I know it, Everyone knows it.
Do go flush yourself, THEN we can talk.
J.
Zak@home.com a écrit:
On Sat, 22 May 2004 16:30:06 GMT, Jean Guernon
< > wrote:
Ask zaakaass, and see how much he knows (zlitch) about the lies he posts.
J.
ex a écrit:
Hey Jean,
Just curious, what is 'rapture'. Kinda like a spiritual orgasm?
-ex
"Jean Guernon" < > wrote in message
news:Vvprc.15926825$Of.2653964@news.easynews.com...
Zak@home.com a écrit:
On Thu, 20 May 2004 15:23:38 GMT, Jean Guernon
< > wrote:
Zak@home.com a écrit:
The Jesus Landing Pad
White House Checked With Rapture Christians
Before Latest Israel Move
By Rick Perlstein
The Village Voice
(Art by James Neff)
5-19-4
It was an e-mail we weren't meant to see. Not for our eyes were the
notes that showed White House staffers taking two-hour meetings with
Christian fundamentalists, where they passed off bogus social science
on gay marriage
You doN,t like it becasue your anti-semite boy friend wants to marry you
zaakaass?
J.
You have to get some new retorts there FROG, we all know that anyone
who dosen't agree with you is an anti-semite. Or maybe as you say 'in
your dreams'.
Get a life furrball you dumb crackhead loser.
Again with the drug lie. You must be full of crack, besides ebing full of
*****,
given that youa re the only one on this NG that speaks about that.
But let's see what you pretend, here, shall we?
Are you saying you like Jews now, zakass?
J.
J.
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O.K. so I guess I was right there FROG, you can't be reasoned with. So
I guess it's back to the same old same old
MaxBlast Wrote:
J and Zak can you both look back at your comments to each other and recognize
just how you look to the rest? These slanderous and wicked comments are not
what people who want to live in harmony with each other do.
By offering that Olive Branch of Peace to each other you may find that you
share some things in common. Being critical of each other is not getting you
anywhere either. I have found this new approach at resolving my differences to
be completely liberating to me.
I nolonger sit around feeling angry and bitter and that is a good thing to
recognize. If you feel peaceful, you are peaceful. Stop and give yourselves a
break from the flaming and take back your peace of mind.
Reason with each other, and you will find that in truth your openminded view
will bare more peace than being closedminded and critical of each other ever
could. I'm offering friendship to both of you as a recourse to these cynical
views that are currently being expressed.
Don't flame me or others for wanting to see people work out their differences
and bring this group to a whole new level of awareness. Trust that you can be
friends and that you have the exact same characteristics of everyone else in
life.
Let these words inspire both of you to rise above these anomosities and find
that peace that always brings harmony with it.
Friendship thru Peace can resolve all conflicts...
Brother Jon
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26 May 2004 08:51:37 PM |
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Are you Dr. Phil?
LOL
J.
MaxBlast36 a écrit:
Subject: Re: The Jesus Landing Pad
From: Jean Guernon
Date: 5/25/2004 4:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id: <K6Osc.5274350$iA2.616388@news.easynews.com>
In other words, you have no clue about what you post.
And no, you have no say about this NG, you can only help the NG if you leave.
You have no relevancy whatsoever with apn, never had any.
You know it, I know it, Everyone knows it.
Do go flush yourself, THEN we can talk.
J.
Zak@home.com a écrit:
On Sat, 22 May 2004 16:30:06 GMT, Jean Guernon
< > wrote:
Ask zaakaass, and see how much he knows (zlitch) about the lies he posts.
J.
ex a écrit:
Hey Jean,
Just curious, what is 'rapture'. Kinda like a spiritual orgasm?
-ex
"Jean Guernon" < > wrote in message
news:Vvprc.15926825$Of.2653964@news.easynews.com...
Zak@home.com a écrit:
On Thu, 20 May 2004 15:23:38 GMT, Jean Guernon
< > wrote:
Zak@home.com a écrit:
The Jesus Landing Pad
White House Checked With Rapture Christians
Before Latest Israel Move
By Rick Perlstein
The Village Voice
(Art by James Neff)
5-19-4
It was an e-mail we weren't meant to see. Not for our eyes were the
notes that showed White House staffers taking two-hour meetings with
Christian fundamentalists, where they passed off bogus social science
on gay marriage
You doN,t like it becasue your anti-semite boy friend wants to marry you
zaakaass?
J.
You have to get some new retorts there FROG, we all know that anyone
who dosen't agree with you is an anti-semite. Or maybe as you say 'in
your dreams'.
Get a life furrball you dumb crackhead loser.
Again with the drug lie. You must be full of crack, besides ebing full of
*****,
given that youa re the only one on this NG that speaks about that.
But let's see what you pretend, here, shall we?
Are you saying you like Jews now, zakass?
J.
J.
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Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
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O.K. so I guess I was right there FROG, you can't be reasoned with. So
I guess it's back to the same old same old
MaxBlast Wrote:
J and Zak can you both look back at your comments to each other and recognize
just how you look to the rest? These slanderous and wicked comments are not
what people who want to live in harmony with each other do.
By offering that Olive Branch of Peace to each other you may find that you
share some things in common. Being critical of each other is not getting you
anywhere either. I have found this new approach at resolving my differences to
be completely liberating to me.
I nolonger sit around feeling angry and bitter and that is a good thing to
recognize. If you feel peaceful, you are peaceful. Stop and give yourselves a
break from the flaming and take back your peace of mind.
Reason with each other, and you will find that in truth your openminded view
will bare more peace than being closedminded and critical of each other ever
could. I'm offering friendship to both of you as a recourse to these cynical
views that are currently being expressed.
Don't flame me or others for wanting to see people work out their differences
and bring this group to a whole new level of awareness. Trust that you can be
friends and that you have the exact same characteristics of everyone else in
life.
Let these words inspire both of you to rise above these anomosities and find
that peace that always brings harmony with it.
Friendship thru Peace can resolve all conflicts...
Brother Jon
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| User: "" |
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26 May 2004 07:07:20 AM |
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On 25 May 2004 22:00:17 GMT, (MaxBlast36) wrote:
MaxBlast Wrote:
J and Zak can you both look back at your comments to each other and recognize
just how you look to the rest? These slanderous and wicked comments are not
what people who want to live in harmony with each other do.
By offering that Olive Branch of Peace to each other you may find that you
share some things in common. Being critical of each other is not getting you
anywhere either. I have found this new approach at resolving my differences to
be completely liberating to me.
I nolonger sit around feeling angry and bitter and that is a good thing to
recognize. If you feel peaceful, you are peaceful. Stop and give yourselves a
break from the flaming and take back your peace of mind.
Reason with each other, and you will find that in truth your openminded view
will bare more peace than being closedminded and critical of each other ever
could. I'm offering friendship to both of you as a recourse to these cynical
views that are currently being expressed.
Don't flame me or others for wanting to see people work out their differences
and bring this group to a whole new level of awareness. Trust that you can be
friends and that you have the exact same characteristics of everyone else in
life.
Let these words inspire both of you to rise above these anomosities and find
that peace that always brings harmony with it.
Friendship thru Peace can resolve all conflicts...
Brother Jon
I tried to bury the hatchet with the IDIOT, it did no good. You can't
reason with insanity.
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| User: "MaxBlast36" |
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26 May 2004 08:41:17 AM |
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Sometimes it takes the holding back of words in order for the storm to pass,
see if silence towards each other will be the way of resolving this problem.
A peaceful resolution requires peaceful intent...
Brother Jon
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| User: "" |
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26 May 2004 09:14:02 AM |
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On 26 May 2004 13:41:17 GMT, (MaxBlast36) wrote:
Sometimes it takes the holding back of words in order for the storm to pass,
see if silence towards each other will be the way of resolving this problem.
A peaceful resolution requires peaceful intent...
Brother Jon
I killfiled him again, he is no longer worth the aggrevation. You
can't reason with insanity.
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| User: "MaxBlast36" |
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21 May 2004 01:30:08 PM |
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Hey Ex,
Repentance is your only choice right now, once the Word comes, The Sword Will
Follow. Get It? You Will, that is guaranteed by none other than, "GOD"
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| User: "ex" |
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21 May 2004 05:56:35 PM |
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"MaxBlast36" <maxblast36@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20040521143008.11161.00001888@mb-m14.aol.com...
Hey Ex,
Repentance is your only choice right now, once the Word comes, The Sword
Will
Follow. Get It? You Will, that is guaranteed by none other than, "GOD"
What happens if I'm Buddhist and prefer Nirvana to The Sword?
-ex
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| User: "MaxBlast36" |
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21 May 2004 06:23:21 PM |
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Whatever Fool, you and many other's are going to find out soon enough!!!
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| User: "" |
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22 May 2004 07:49:04 AM |
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On Fri, 21 May 2004 15:47:01 GMT, Jean Guernon
<jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote:
Zak@home.com a écrit:
On Thu, 20 May 2004 15:23:38 GMT, Jean Guernon
<jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote:
Zak@home.com a écrit:
The Jesus Landing Pad
White House Checked With Rapture Christians
Before Latest Israel Move
By Rick Perlstein
The Village Voice
(Art by James Neff)
5-19-4
It was an e-mail we weren't meant to see. Not for our eyes were the
notes that showed White House staffers taking two-hour meetings with
Christian fundamentalists, where they passed off bogus social science
on gay marriage
You doN,t like it becasue your anti-semite boy friend wants to marry you zaakaass?
J.
You have to get some new retorts there FROG, we all know that anyone
who dosen't agree with you is an anti-semite. Or maybe as you say 'in
your dreams'.
Get a life furrball you dumb crackhead loser.
Again with the drug lie. You must be full of crack, besides ebing full of *****,
given that youa re the only one on this NG that speaks about that.
But let's see what you pretend, here, shall we?
Are you saying you like Jews now, zakass?
J.
J.
Lurn to spel thayre FROG. The jury is still out on the Jew issue,
still haven't met one yet I like.I suppose there may be a few of them
that are o.k., just like every other culture and race. The only thing
I really abhor right now is the American government and the path that
they are leading the world down right now. Tell you what Guernon, I
guess someone has to put out the olive branch, heres the deal. You
quit trashing me and my posts, and I will do likewise. You respect my
opinions, i'll respect yours...who knows I may even start talking
Nosty of which I have read many a book and article. The next step is
up to you.
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