The Left's Iraq Muddle
Yes, it is central to the fight against Islamic radicalism.
BY BOB KERREY
Tuesday, May 22, 2007 12:01 a.m.
[excerpt] The critics who bother me the most are those who ordinarily
would not be on the side of supporting dictatorships, who are arguing
today that only military intervention can prevent the genocide of
Darfur, or who argued yesterday for military intervention in Bosnia,
Somalia and Rwanda to ease the sectarian violence that was tearing
those places apart.
Suppose we had not invaded Iraq and Hussein had been overthrown by
Shiite and Kurdish insurgents. Suppose al Qaeda then undermined their
new democracy and inflamed sectarian tensions to the same level of
violence we are seeing today. Wouldn't you expect the same people who
are urging a unilateral and immediate withdrawal to be urging military
intervention to end this carnage? I would.
American liberals need to face these truths: The demand for self-
government was and remains strong in Iraq despite all our mistakes and
the violent efforts of al Qaeda, Sunni insurgents and Shiite militias
to disrupt it. Al Qaeda in particular has targeted for abduction and
murder those who are essential to a functioning democracy: school
teachers, aid workers, private contractors working to rebuild Iraq's
infrastructure, police officers and anyone who cooperates with the
Iraqi government. Much of Iraq's middle class has fled the country in
fear.
With these facts on the scales, what does your conscience tell you to
do? If the answer is nothing, that it is not our responsibility or
that this is all about oil, then no wonder today we Democrats are not
trusted with the reins of power. American lawmakers who are watching
public opinion tell them to move away from Iraq as quickly as possible
should remember this: Concessions will not work with either al Qaeda
or other foreign fighters who will not rest until they have killed or
driven into exile the last remaining Iraqi who favors democracy. [end
excerpt]
Mr. Kerrey, a former Democratic senator from Nebraska and member of
the 9/11 Commission, is president of The New School.
http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110010107
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24 May 2007 01:03:48 PM |
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On Thu, 24 May 2007 06:13:09 -0700, Steven Douglas wrote:
The Left's Iraq Muddle
Yes, it is central to the fight against Islamic radicalism.
BY BOB KERREY
Tuesday, May 22, 2007 12:01 a.m.
[excerpt] The critics who bother me the most are those who ordinarily
would not be on the side of supporting dictatorships, who are arguing
today that only military intervention can prevent the genocide of
Darfur, or who argued yesterday for military intervention in Bosnia,
Somalia and Rwanda to ease the sectarian violence that was tearing
those places apart.
Suppose we had not invaded Iraq and Hussein had been overthrown by
Shiite and Kurdish insurgents.
Straw man alert! Didn't happen and there was no sign whatsoever that it
would be likely to happen in the foreseeable future.
We all know what this means - the right wing extremists are desperate to
come up with some way to blame everyone else for Bush's screwup.
Woods
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24 May 2007 05:24:51 PM |
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"Woodswun" <woodswun@tepidmail.com> wrote in message
news:pan.2007.05.24.18.03.48.634953@tepidmail.com...
Straw man alert! Didn't happen and there was no sign whatsoever that it
would be likely to happen in the foreseeable future.
We all know what this means - the right wing extremists are desperate to
come up with some way to blame everyone else for Bush's screwup.
Woods
Suppose we hadn't provided Saddam with his chemical and biological
precursors.
Suppose we hadn't overthrown a democratically elected secular government in
Iran in 1954.
Suppose we hadn't supported murderous tyrants the world over for decade
after decade.
Suppose we give proper attention to whining, middle school level
propagandists.
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25 May 2007 12:48:47 AM |
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After Much Chewing of Cud and Cogitation, "John Lemke"
<jflemke@locallink.net> Spat the Words
"Woodswun" <woodswun@tepidmail.com> wrote in message
news:pan.2007.05.24.18.03.48.634953@tepidmail.com...
Straw man alert! Didn't happen and there was no sign whatsoever that
it would be likely to happen in the foreseeable future.
We all know what this means - the right wing extremists are desperate
to come up with some way to blame everyone else for Bush's screwup.
Woods
Suppose we hadn't provided Saddam with his chemical and biological
precursors.
Suppose we hadn't overthrown a democratically elected secular government
in Iran in 1954.
Suppose we hadn't supported murderous tyrants the world over for decade
after decade.
Suppose we give proper attention to whining, middle school level
propagandists.
Suppose the liberals had courted the religious extremists instead
of the conservatives.. then stevie would be spouting exactly the
opposite junk, with the same fervor, and with the same lack of
understanding about what it all means.
I'm just glad it's the conservatives who have to deal with the
idiot stevie frankenstein monsters they've created. Have you noticed
that Danny Min, the ultra right-wing weirdo, has been disowned by
his party ?
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25 May 2007 04:26:48 PM |
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"Perseid" <eidpers@anti-spam.comcast.net> wrote in message
news:Xns993AF23DB85B2rrfkwrantispamattbic@216.196.97.136...
After Much Chewing of Cud and Cogitation, "John Lemke"
<jflemke@locallink.net> Spat the Words
"Woodswun" <woodswun@tepidmail.com> wrote in message
news:pan.2007.05.24.18.03.48.634953@tepidmail.com...
Straw man alert! Didn't happen and there was no sign whatsoever that
it would be likely to happen in the foreseeable future.
We all know what this means - the right wing extremists are desperate
to come up with some way to blame everyone else for Bush's screwup.
Woods
Suppose we hadn't provided Saddam with his chemical and biological
precursors.
Suppose we hadn't overthrown a democratically elected secular government
in Iran in 1954.
Suppose we hadn't supported murderous tyrants the world over for decade
after decade.
Suppose we give proper attention to whining, middle school level
propagandists.
Suppose the liberals had courted the religious extremists instead
of the conservatives.. then stevie would be spouting exactly the
opposite junk, with the same fervor, and with the same lack of
understanding about what it all means.
I'm just glad it's the conservatives who have to deal with the
idiot stevie frankenstein monsters they've created. Have you noticed
that Danny Min, the ultra right-wing weirdo, has been disowned by
his party ?
Danny and Steven will be the only ones making the rapture. The rest of us
will just have to muddle thru, trying not to be eaten by huge wild hogs as
hell is unleashed on earth.
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25 May 2007 08:23:22 PM |
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On May 25, 2:26 pm, "John Lemke" <jfle...@locallink.net> wrote:
"Perseid" <eidp...@anti-spam.comcast.net> wrote in message
news:Xns993AF23DB85B2rrfkwrantispamattbic@216.196.97.136...
After Much Chewing of Cud and Cogitation, "John Lemke"
<jfle...@locallink.net> Spat the Words
"Woodswun" <woods...@tepidmail.com> wrote in message
news:pan.2007.05.24.18.03.48.634953@tepidmail.com...
Straw man alert! Didn't happen and there was no sign whatsoever that
it would be likely to happen in the foreseeable future.
We all know what this means - the right wing extremists are desperate
to come up with some way to blame everyone else for Bush's screwup.
Woods
Suppose we hadn't provided Saddam with his chemical and biological
precursors.
Suppose we hadn't overthrown a democratically elected secular government
in Iran in 1954.
Suppose we hadn't supported murderous tyrants the world over for decade
after decade.
Suppose we give proper attention to whining, middle school level
propagandists.
Suppose the liberals had courted the religious extremists instead
of the conservatives.. then stevie would be spouting exactly the
opposite junk, with the same fervor, and with the same lack of
understanding about what it all means.
I'm just glad it's the conservatives who have to deal with the
idiot stevie frankenstein monsters they've created. Have you noticed
that Danny Min, the ultra right-wing weirdo, has been disowned by
his party ?
Danny and Steven will be the only ones making the rapture.
And you say that -- based on what, exactly? I know people who are
presumptuous enough to make that claim for themselves, but I'm not one
of them. So what have I ever said that would make you believe that
about me?
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25 May 2007 07:46:16 AM |
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On May 24, 10:48 pm, Perseid <eidp...@anti-spam.comcast.net> wrote:
After Much Chewing of Cud and Cogitation, "John Lemke"
<jfle...@locallink.net> Spat the Words
"Woodswun" <woods...@tepidmail.com> wrote in message
news:pan.2007.05.24.18.03.48.634953@tepidmail.com...
Straw man alert! Didn't happen and there was no sign whatsoever that
it would be likely to happen in the foreseeable future.
We all know what this means - the right wing extremists are desperate
to come up with some way to blame everyone else for Bush's screwup.
Woods
Suppose we hadn't provided Saddam with his chemical and biological
precursors.
Suppose we hadn't overthrown a democratically elected secular government
in Iran in 1954.
Suppose we hadn't supported murderous tyrants the world over for decade
after decade.
Suppose we give proper attention to whining, middle school level
propagandists.
Suppose the liberals had courted the religious extremists instead
of the conservatives..
Suppose you read the entire article before commenting on it? Isn't it
amazing that two of the people who decided to comment on this thread
are people who have me killfied, but that doesn't stop them from
commenting on something taken out of context?
then stevie would be spouting exactly the opposite junk, with the
same fervor, and with the same lack of understanding about what
it all means.
Speaking of a lack of understanding, apparently you don't understand
that the article I cited was written by a liberal Democrat -- he's a
former Governor, a former Senator (with a liberal voting record), and
a member of the 9/11 Commission.
I'm just glad it's the conservatives who have to deal with the
idiot stevie frankenstein monsters they've created.
Amazing. So you think Bob Kerrey is an idiot frankenstein monster?
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24 May 2007 06:34:18 PM |
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On May 24, 3:24 pm, "John Lemke" <jfle...@locallink.net> wrote:
"Woodswun" <woods...@tepidmail.com> wrote in message
news:pan.2007.05.24.18.03.48.634953@tepidmail.com...
Straw man alert! Didn't happen and there was no sign whatsoever that it
would be likely to happen in the foreseeable future.
We all know what this means - the right wing extremists are desperate to
come up with some way to blame everyone else for Bush's screwup.
Woods
Suppose we hadn't provided Saddam with his chemical and biological
precursors.
Suppose we hadn't overthrown a democratically elected secular government in
Iran in 1954.
Suppose we hadn't supported murderous tyrants the world over for decade
after decade.
Suppose we give proper attention to whining, middle school level
propagandists.
So you think Bob Kerrey is a whining, middle school level
propagandist? Amazing.
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24 May 2007 06:33:03 PM |
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On May 24, 11:03 am, Woodswun <woods...@tepidmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 24 May 2007 06:13:09 -0700, Steven Douglas wrote:
The Left's Iraq Muddle
Yes, it is central to the fight against Islamic radicalism.
BY BOB KERREY
Tuesday, May 22, 2007 12:01 a.m.
[excerpt] The critics who bother me the most are those who ordinarily
would not be on the side of supporting dictatorships, who are arguing
today that only military intervention can prevent the genocide of
Darfur, or who argued yesterday for military intervention in Bosnia,
Somalia and Rwanda to ease the sectarian violence that was tearing
those places apart.
Suppose we had not invaded Iraq and Hussein had been overthrown by
Shiite and Kurdish insurgents.
Straw man alert! Didn't happen and there was no sign whatsoever that it
would be likely to happen in the foreseeable future.
We all know what this means - the right wing extremists are desperate to
come up with some way to blame everyone else for Bush's screwup.
So you think Bob Kerrey is a right-wing extremist? Amazing.
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| User: "Woodswun" |
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25 May 2007 08:07:13 AM |
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On Thu, 24 May 2007 16:33:03 -0700, Steven Douglas wrote:
On May 24, 11:03 am, Woodswun <woods...@tepidmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 24 May 2007 06:13:09 -0700, Steven Douglas wrote:
The Left's Iraq Muddle
Yes, it is central to the fight against Islamic radicalism.
BY BOB KERREY
Tuesday, May 22, 2007 12:01 a.m.
[excerpt] The critics who bother me the most are those who ordinarily
would not be on the side of supporting dictatorships, who are arguing
today that only military intervention can prevent the genocide of
Darfur, or who argued yesterday for military intervention in Bosnia,
Somalia and Rwanda to ease the sectarian violence that was tearing
those places apart.
Suppose we had not invaded Iraq and Hussein had been overthrown by
Shiite and Kurdish insurgents.
Straw man alert! Didn't happen and there was no sign whatsoever that it
would be likely to happen in the foreseeable future.
We all know what this means - the right wing extremists are desperate to
come up with some way to blame everyone else for Bush's screwup.
So you think Bob Kerrey is a right-wing extremist? Amazing.
I think you are. And, seeing as how you continue to post all manner of
articles to support the invarion, I also think you were being untruthful
about supposedly no longer agreeing with the invasion of Iraq.
Woods
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25 May 2007 04:53:45 PM |
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After Much Chewing of Cud and Cogitation, Woodswun
<woodswun@tepidmail.com> Spat the Words
On Thu, 24 May 2007 16:33:03 -0700, Steven Douglas wrote:
On May 24, 11:03 am, Woodswun <woods...@tepidmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 24 May 2007 06:13:09 -0700, Steven Douglas wrote:
The Left's Iraq Muddle
Yes, it is central to the fight against Islamic radicalism.
BY BOB KERREY
Tuesday, May 22, 2007 12:01 a.m.
[excerpt] The critics who bother me the most are those who
ordinarily
would not be on the side of supporting dictatorships, who are
arguing
today that only military intervention can prevent the genocide of
Darfur, or who argued yesterday for military intervention in Bosnia,
Somalia and Rwanda to ease the sectarian violence that was tearing
those places apart.
Suppose we had not invaded Iraq and Hussein had been overthrown by
Shiite and Kurdish insurgents.
Straw man alert! Didn't happen and there was no sign whatsoever that
it
would be likely to happen in the foreseeable future.
We all know what this means - the right wing extremists are desperate
to
come up with some way to blame everyone else for Bush's screwup.
So you think Bob Kerrey is a right-wing extremist? Amazing.
I think you are. And, seeing as how you continue to post all manner of
articles to support the invarion, I also think you were being untruthful
about supposedly no longer agreeing with the invasion of Iraq.
Stevie not being truthful ?? Naaahhhhh !!
Woods
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25 May 2007 08:14:01 PM |
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On May 25, 6:07 am, Woodswun <woods...@tepidmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 24 May 2007 16:33:03 -0700, Steven Douglas wrote:
On May 24, 11:03 am, Woodswun <woods...@tepidmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 24 May 2007 06:13:09 -0700, Steven Douglas wrote:
The Left's Iraq Muddle
Yes, it is central to the fight against Islamic radicalism.
BY BOB KERREY
Tuesday, May 22, 2007 12:01 a.m.
[excerpt] The critics who bother me the most are those who ordinarily
would not be on the side of supporting dictatorships, who are arguing
today that only military intervention can prevent the genocide of
Darfur, or who argued yesterday for military intervention in Bosnia,
Somalia and Rwanda to ease the sectarian violence that was tearing
those places apart.
Suppose we had not invaded Iraq and Hussein had been overthrown by
Shiite and Kurdish insurgents.
Straw man alert! Didn't happen and there was no sign whatsoever that it
would be likely to happen in the foreseeable future.
We all know what this means - the right wing extremists are desperate to
come up with some way to blame everyone else for Bush's screwup.
So you think Bob Kerrey is a right-wing extremist? Amazing.
I think you are.
Why? Because I posted an article written by a liberal?
And, seeing as how you continue to post all manner of
articles to support the invarion, I also think you were being untruthful
about supposedly no longer agreeing with the invasion of Iraq.
So I should therefore support cut & run? I don't, and that's why I
posted Bob Kerrey's article. Too bad you didn't respond to his point
-- that some of the same people favoring unilateral and immediate
withdrawal from Iraq were urging military intervention when the
carnage was in Bosnia, or Somalia, or Rwanda -- and now in Darfur:
U.S. senator calls for American troops in Darfur
Tue May 22, 2007 3:13AM EDT
By Evelyn Leopold
UNITED NATIONS (Reuters) - U.S. Sen. Joe Biden said that he would
commit U.S. forces immediately to stop militia in Sudan's Darfur
region as long as there were reports of genocide.
Biden, a presidential candidate and chairman of the Senate Foreign
Relations Committee, said on Monday that in his personal opinion
nations had at "some point to cede their sovereignty" if they engaged
in genocide.
Biden, a Democrat from Delaware, said U.S. President George W. Bush
had made clear that sanctions would be the next step if the United
Nations was not ready to send a large force to reinforce the African
Union troops in Darfur.
More than 200,000 people have died and 2 million have been uprooted
from their homes in the four-year-old conflict between ethnic African
repels and the government, backed by the Arab Janjaweed militia.
"I would impose a no-fly zone immediately and I would commit (U.S.)
forces to stop the Janjaweed now. But I am not making that decision,"
Biden told reporters. [end excerpt]
http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSN2137322820070522?feedType=RSS&rpc=22
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25 May 2007 03:43:05 PM |
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Steven Douglas wrote:
The Left's Iraq Muddle
Yes, it is central to the fight against Islamic radicalism.
BY BOB KERREY
Tuesday, May 22, 2007 12:01 a.m.
[excerpt] The critics who bother me the most are those who ordinarily
would not be on the side of supporting dictatorships, who are arguing
today that only military intervention can prevent the genocide of
Darfur, or who argued yesterday for military intervention in Bosnia,
Somalia and Rwanda to ease the sectarian violence that was tearing
those places apart.
Suppose we had not invaded Iraq and Hussein had been overthrown by
Shiite and Kurdish insurgents. Suppose al Qaeda then undermined their
new democracy and inflamed sectarian tensions to the same level of
violence we are seeing today. Wouldn't you expect the same people who
are urging a unilateral and immediate withdrawal to be urging military
intervention to end this carnage? I would.
American liberals need to face these truths: The demand for self-
government was and remains strong in Iraq despite all our mistakes and
the violent efforts of al Qaeda, Sunni insurgents and Shiite militias
to disrupt it. Al Qaeda in particular has targeted for abduction and
murder those who are essential to a functioning democracy: school
teachers, aid workers, private contractors working to rebuild Iraq's
infrastructure, police officers and anyone who cooperates with the
Iraqi government. Much of Iraq's middle class has fled the country in
fear.
With these facts on the scales, what does your conscience tell you to
do? If the answer is nothing, that it is not our responsibility or
that this is all about oil, then no wonder today we Democrats are not
trusted with the reins of power. American lawmakers who are watching
public opinion tell them to move away from Iraq as quickly as possible
should remember this: Concessions will not work with either al Qaeda
or other foreign fighters who will not rest until they have killed or
driven into exile the last remaining Iraqi who favors democracy. [end
excerpt]
Mr. Kerrey, a former Democratic senator from Nebraska and member of
the 9/11 Commission, is president of The New School.
http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110010107
Suppose Bush didn't get selected in 2000 and someone managed to prevent
9-11.
A lot of suppositions ... which in the end are pointless.
Shiite's and Kurd's didn't overthrow Saddam. Bush did in a war of choice
and completely fucked it up with the help of Rumsfeld and Cheney. Live
with it. Hundreds of thousands of Iraqi's are now dead who wouldn't have
been otherwise. Live with it. Thousdands of American soldiers dead,
injured and traumatized. Live with it. This is Bush's legacy. I'd
rather it not have been for the sake of those effected.
--
I don't smoke. I smell like bread. Life is Good.
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25 May 2007 05:00:51 PM |
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After Much Chewing of Cud and Cogitation, Marvin The Paranoid Android
<marvinparanoidandroid@hotmail.com> Spat the Words
Steven Douglas wrote:
The Left's Iraq Muddle
Yes, it is central to the fight against Islamic radicalism.
BY BOB KERREY
Tuesday, May 22, 2007 12:01 a.m.
[excerpt] The critics who bother me the most are those who ordinarily
would not be on the side of supporting dictatorships, who are arguing
today that only military intervention can prevent the genocide of
Darfur, or who argued yesterday for military intervention in Bosnia,
Somalia and Rwanda to ease the sectarian violence that was tearing
those places apart.
Suppose we had not invaded Iraq and Hussein had been overthrown by
Shiite and Kurdish insurgents. Suppose al Qaeda then undermined their
new democracy and inflamed sectarian tensions to the same level of
violence we are seeing today. Wouldn't you expect the same people who
are urging a unilateral and immediate withdrawal to be urging military
intervention to end this carnage? I would.
American liberals need to face these truths: The demand for self-
government was and remains strong in Iraq despite all our mistakes and
the violent efforts of al Qaeda, Sunni insurgents and Shiite militias
to disrupt it. Al Qaeda in particular has targeted for abduction and
murder those who are essential to a functioning democracy: school
teachers, aid workers, private contractors working to rebuild Iraq's
infrastructure, police officers and anyone who cooperates with the
Iraqi government. Much of Iraq's middle class has fled the country in
fear.
With these facts on the scales, what does your conscience tell you to
do? If the answer is nothing, that it is not our responsibility or
that this is all about oil, then no wonder today we Democrats are not
trusted with the reins of power. American lawmakers who are watching
public opinion tell them to move away from Iraq as quickly as possible
should remember this: Concessions will not work with either al Qaeda
or other foreign fighters who will not rest until they have killed or
driven into exile the last remaining Iraqi who favors democracy. [end
excerpt]
Mr. Kerrey, a former Democratic senator from Nebraska and member of
the 9/11 Commission, is president of The New School.
http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110010107
Suppose Bush didn't get selected in 2000 and someone managed to prevent
9-11.
A lot of suppositions ... which in the end are pointless.
Shiite's and Kurd's didn't overthrow Saddam. Bush did in a war of choice
and completely fucked it up with the help of Rumsfeld and Cheney. Live
with it. Hundreds of thousands of Iraqi's are now dead who wouldn't have
been otherwise. Live with it. Thousdands of American soldiers dead,
injured and traumatized. Live with it. This is Bush's legacy. I'd
rather it not have been for the sake of those effected.
Somehow I think stevie is trying to live with it... by dragging
everyone else into the ***** mess, you know, trying to spread the
blame to everyone except Bush.
Funny thing that. Why do you suppose he is so adamant about blaming
everyone *except* the Bush people who were out every day in 2002
campaigning for war ? Stevie is one strange bird.
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25 May 2007 08:25:44 PM |
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On May 25, 3:00 pm, Perseid <eidp...@anti-spam.comcast.net> wrote:
After Much Chewing of Cud and Cogitation, Marvin The Paranoid Android
<marvinparanoidandr...@hotmail.com> Spat the Words
Steven Douglas wrote:
The Left's Iraq Muddle
Yes, it is central to the fight against Islamic radicalism.
BY BOB KERREY
Tuesday, May 22, 2007 12:01 a.m.
[excerpt] The critics who bother me the most are those who ordinarily
would not be on the side of supporting dictatorships, who are arguing
today that only military intervention can prevent the genocide of
Darfur, or who argued yesterday for military intervention in Bosnia,
Somalia and Rwanda to ease the sectarian violence that was tearing
those places apart.
Suppose we had not invaded Iraq and Hussein had been overthrown by
Shiite and Kurdish insurgents. Suppose al Qaeda then undermined their
new democracy and inflamed sectarian tensions to the same level of
violence we are seeing today. Wouldn't you expect the same people who
are urging a unilateral and immediate withdrawal to be urging military
intervention to end this carnage? I would.
American liberals need to face these truths: The demand for self-
government was and remains strong in Iraq despite all our mistakes and
the violent efforts of al Qaeda, Sunni insurgents and Shiite militias
to disrupt it. Al Qaeda in particular has targeted for abduction and
murder those who are essential to a functioning democracy: school
teachers, aid workers, private contractors working to rebuild Iraq's
infrastructure, police officers and anyone who cooperates with the
Iraqi government. Much of Iraq's middle class has fled the country in
fear.
With these facts on the scales, what does your conscience tell you to
do? If the answer is nothing, that it is not our responsibility or
that this is all about oil, then no wonder today we Democrats are not
trusted with the reins of power. American lawmakers who are watching
public opinion tell them to move away from Iraq as quickly as possible
should remember this: Concessions will not work with either al Qaeda
or other foreign fighters who will not rest until they have killed or
driven into exile the last remaining Iraqi who favors democracy. [end
excerpt]
Mr. Kerrey, a former Democratic senator from Nebraska and member of
the 9/11 Commission, is president of The New School.
http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110010107
Suppose Bush didn't get selected in 2000 and someone managed to prevent
9-11.
A lot of suppositions ... which in the end are pointless.
Shiite's and Kurd's didn't overthrow Saddam. Bush did in a war of choice
and completely fucked it up with the help of Rumsfeld and Cheney. Live
with it. Hundreds of thousands of Iraqi's are now dead who wouldn't have
been otherwise. Live with it. Thousdands of American soldiers dead,
injured and traumatized. Live with it. This is Bush's legacy. I'd
rather it not have been for the sake of those effected.
Somehow I think stevie is trying to live with it... by dragging
everyone else into the ***** mess, you know, trying to spread the
blame to everyone except Bush.
Funny thing that. Why do you suppose he is so adamant about blaming
everyone *except* the Bush people who were out every day in 2002
campaigning for war ?
On the contrary, it is you who wants to blame no one *except* the Bush
people. You conveniently ignore all those Democrats, whose names I
have posted repeatedly, who couldn't wait to vote for that war.
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| User: "Steven Douglas" |
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| Title: Re: The Left's Iraq Muddle |
25 May 2007 08:21:30 PM |
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On May 25, 1:43 pm, Marvin The Paranoid Android
<marvinparanoidandr...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Steven Douglas wrote:
The Left's Iraq Muddle
Yes, it is central to the fight against Islamic radicalism.
BY BOB KERREY
Tuesday, May 22, 2007 12:01 a.m.
[excerpt] The critics who bother me the most are those who ordinarily
would not be on the side of supporting dictatorships, who are arguing
today that only military intervention can prevent the genocide of
Darfur, or who argued yesterday for military intervention in Bosnia,
Somalia and Rwanda to ease the sectarian violence that was tearing
those places apart.
Suppose we had not invaded Iraq and Hussein had been overthrown by
Shiite and Kurdish insurgents. Suppose al Qaeda then undermined their
new democracy and inflamed sectarian tensions to the same level of
violence we are seeing today. Wouldn't you expect the same people who
are urging a unilateral and immediate withdrawal to be urging military
intervention to end this carnage? I would.
American liberals need to face these truths: The demand for self-
government was and remains strong in Iraq despite all our mistakes and
the violent efforts of al Qaeda, Sunni insurgents and Shiite militias
to disrupt it. Al Qaeda in particular has targeted for abduction and
murder those who are essential to a functioning democracy: school
teachers, aid workers, private contractors working to rebuild Iraq's
infrastructure, police officers and anyone who cooperates with the
Iraqi government. Much of Iraq's middle class has fled the country in
fear.
With these facts on the scales, what does your conscience tell you to
do? If the answer is nothing, that it is not our responsibility or
that this is all about oil, then no wonder today we Democrats are not
trusted with the reins of power. American lawmakers who are watching
public opinion tell them to move away from Iraq as quickly as possible
should remember this: Concessions will not work with either al Qaeda
or other foreign fighters who will not rest until they have killed or
driven into exile the last remaining Iraqi who favors democracy. [end
excerpt]
Mr. Kerrey, a former Democratic senator from Nebraska and member of
the 9/11 Commission, is president of The New School.
http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110010107
Suppose Bush didn't get selected in 2000 and someone managed to prevent
9-11.
A lot of suppositions ... which in the end are pointless.
But the suppositions weren't the point. The writer's point was that he
would expect the same people who urged military intervention in
Bosnia, Somalia, Rwanda -- and now Darfur -- to also support military
intervention to stop the carnage in Iraq. Instead, those same people
favor a unilateral and immediate withdrawal from Iraq, which (as I
believe you have acknowledged) will only increase the carnage in Iraq.
Shiite's and Kurd's didn't overthrow Saddam. Bush did in a war of choice
and completely fucked it up with the help of Rumsfeld and Cheney. Live
with it. Hundreds of thousands of Iraqi's are now dead who wouldn't have
been otherwise. Live with it. Thousdands of American soldiers dead,
injured and traumatized. Live with it. This is Bush's legacy. I'd
rather it not have been for the sake of those effected.
I posted an article written by an American liberal, Bob Kerrey --
former Governor, Senator, and member of the 9/11 Commission. If you
have an argument with Bob Kerrey, I hope you'll take it up with him.
I don't smoke. I smell like bread. Life is Good.
I know the feeling. Cheers!
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