I think that the only mystery remaining about the Shroud of
Turin is *Why* do antichrists (Atheists, CHRINOs, ad nauseam)
refuse to accept the incontrovertible evidence that this
particular artifact is the _actual_ shroud .......

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I think that the only mystery remaining about the Shroud of Turin
is *Why* do antichrists (Atheists, CHRINOs, ad nauseam) refuse to
accept the incontrovertible evidence that this particular artifact
is the _actual_ shroud that the horribly beaten and crucified dead
physical body of Jesus Christ was wrapped in for more than seventy-
two contiguous hours before He physically resurrected, and neatly
folded up the cloth, and left it in the tomb for mortals to find?

Why do the Atheists refuse to accept that Jesus is their LORD and
Savior and reigning King and Master to the Ages of the Ages? Why?
That's an easy question to answer, not only because it's obvious,
but also because this question has been answered already in the
sacred scriptures. It's simply because of the Atheists' profane
vanity, their worldly arrogance, their self-aggrandizement, and
their mammon-worship, all ego and greed. It's as simple as that.

Thus I look forward to seeing the look on the God-hating Atheists'
collective face, when the greatest tribulation ever to befall the
world strikes, beginning with the betrayal and crucifixion of the
WOB's "In God We Trust" (thereby launching Armageddon) into where
the greater fiery region rapidly becomes the habitation of demons,
i.e., of the souls of dead Atheists, inhumane, monstrous, hideous,
demonic. This is why demonic spirits appear inhuman like the wild
beasts they are, with all manner of black cancers darkening their
psychic aura. Remember this prophecy about their Atheistic empire:

On Wed, 9 Jan 2008,

The Holy Shroud in Turin is and remains a riddle

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I think that the only mystery remaining about the Shroud of Turin
is *Why* do antichrists (Atheists, CHRINOs, ad nauseam) refuse to
accept the incontrovertible evidence that this particular artifact
is the _actual_ shroud that the horribly beaten and crucified dead
physical body of Jesus Christ was wrapped in for more than seventy-
two contiguous hours before He physically resurrected, and neatly
folded up the cloth, and left it in the tomb for mortals to find?

Why do the Atheists refuse to accept that Jesus is their LORD and
Savior and reigning King and Master to the Ages of the Ages? Why?
That's an easy question to answer, not only because it's obvious,
but also because this question has been answered already in the
sacred scriptures. It's simply because of the Atheists' profane
vanity, their worldly arrogance, their self-aggrandizement, and
their mammon-worship, all ego and greed. It's as simple as that.

Thus begs the greater question Why do Atheists love to be damned
in Hellfire so much?

I mean, it really sucks to be imprisoned in
dark Limbo, i.e. where the Immortal souls of mortal Atheists are
subjected to indescribably terrifying torments 24/7/365.2422. The
psychiatric diagnosis is that all Atheists are essentially psychic-
masochists.

The souls of Atheists love to be punished in Hellfire,

which explains why they don't want to be saved. They _need_ their
punishment in Hell! It's like the only thing in eternity that the
Atheists can call their own, their Dark prison where the woodbine
twineth and the iceman cometh not. Atheists love to be God-Damned!

Atheists can't prevent their Damnation, so they've learned to love
it through long ages of practice, i.e. some 2000 discarnations over
the last 200,000 tropical years therearound (i.e., assuming average
of one mortal incarnation and one interim Immortal discarnation per
mundane solar century). Atheists have had plenty of practice being
without God, bit, banished, misled, born in sin, essentially born
to die, the first death to be discarnate in Hell, eventually into
the Light and Purgatory then abruptly cast down from heaven which
is the second death (you can read all about it in the Apocalypse),
born amid the crashing karmic waves of the fallen earth. Atheists
have had _plenty_ of practice. Thus they've learned to love their
damnation in both this world & in the world being eternally about.

Some believe and preach that God-hating Atheists should be pitied.
I don't subscribe to that pollyannaish philosophy at all any more,
although admittedly I used to (fool me once, but never twice). Yet
I have _always_ known that the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of
prophecy, i.e. God's Word is infallible and can't ever err at all.
Thus anyone who disagrees with Jesus is an Anti-Christian Atheist,
regardless of what these God-Damned Liars, Cowards and Murderers
call themselves (Catholic, Atheist, Protestant, Muslim, Buddhist,
Hindu, etc. ad nauseam), it makes no difference whatsoever, since
they're all anarchists, antichrists Atheists, i.e. because that's
what they DO. And Praise God that's *EXACTLY* how they are Judged
in the Light! That's why the souls of Atheists always get trapped
in Dark Limbo when they die, where Atheists remain afraid, scared,
terrified of the Light in which awaits their future Judgment: for
each one every one *EXACTLY* according to their works of good and
works of evil, the latter of which Atheists don't want to be held
accountable for. But God doesn't care what Atheists want or don't
want, because God always holds men each one *EXACTLY* accountable
for their sins, this down to the very last subatomic particle bar
none. That's why Atheists don't want to believe in Limbo, because
that's where God *FORCES* Atheists to see their horrible Judgment
awaiting them in the Light: and Pay the Piper to every last penny
they shall--whether they like it or not! And Praise Jesus Atheists
do *NOT* like it in Hell, where God the Destroyer *DESTROYS* both
Immortal spirit-person and mortal body person. Praise God Almighty!

Thus I look forward to seeing the look on the God-hating Atheists'
collective face, when the greatest tribulation ever to befall the
world strikes, beginning with the betrayal and crucifixion of the
WOB's "In God We Trust" (thereby launching Armageddon) into where
the greater fiery region rapidly becomes the habitation of demons,
i.e., of the souls of dead Atheists, inhumane, monstrous, hideous,
demonic. This is why demonic spirits appear inhuman like the wild
beasts they are, with all manner of black cancers darkening their
psychic aura. Remember this prophecy about their Atheistic empire:

C8Q70

Il entrera vilain, mechant, infame
He will enter villain, malignant, infamous

Tyrannisant la Mesopotamie,
Tyrannizing the Mesopotamia,

Tous amis fait d'adulterine d'ame,
All friends makes of adulterine of heart,

Terre horrible, noir de phisonomie.
Earth horrible, dark of physiognomy.

So what are Atheists, essentially? Atheists are literally without
Theos, without Zeus, without God. Atheists are, to quote from the
Apocalypse: "dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers,
and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie" [Rev 22:15].
Thus it's no surprise that Atheists are always liars, cowards and
murderers, because Atheists are incapable of doing otherwise. See?

As any veteran exorcist can tell you, the Atheists especially hate
Latin quotes from the S. scriptures. Thus I love the Latin Vulgate
above all other translations (although the LXX is also a superior
translation of Old Testament scrolls), not only because the Vulgate
is the most accurate translation, but also because Atheists hate it,
and _everything_ the Atheists hate I devoutly love and worship with
all my heart, mind and soul. Contrarily, everything the Atheists do
I hate with all my heart, mind and soul. Thus I'll quote the Bible:

"...et dixit mihi haec verba
and he is saying to me These words

fidelissima et vera sunt et Dominus Deus
most faithful and veritable to be, and the Dominant one Zeus

spirituum prophetarum misit angelum suum
the spirits of the prophets he is sending off the angel of his

ostendere servis suis quae oportet
and he is showing to the servants of him what it is opportune

fieri cito et ecce venio velociter
and it is occurring in quickness, and behold. I am coming quickly.

beatus qui custodit verba prophetiae
beatific who he is keeping custody of the words of the prophecy

libri huius et ego Iohannes qui audivi et vidi
of the book this. and I John who I am hearing and I am seeing

haec et postquam audissem et vidissem cecidi
these things, and after I am hearing and am seeing, I am falling

ut adorarem ante pedes angeli qui mihi
in order to be adoring before the feet of the angel who to me

haec ostendebat et dicit mihi vide
these things he is showing. and he is saying to me Be you seeing

ne feceris conservus tuus sum et
that not you are doing. I the fellow-servant of yours to be, and

fratrum tuorum prophetarum et eorum qui servant
brethren of yours the prophets, and of them who they are guarding

verba libri huius Deum adora et dicit
the words of the book this. Zeus be you adoring. and he is saying

mihi ne signaveris verba prophetiae
to me that Not you should be sealing up the words of the prophecy

libri huius tempus enim prope est qui nocet
of the book this, the time for near to be. whom he is nocent

noceat adhuc et qui in sordibus est sordescat
he is nocent still. and who in sordidness to be he is sordid

adhuc et iustus iustitiam faciat adhuc et sanctus
still. and the just justice he is doing still. and the sanctified

sanctificetur adhuc ecce venio cito et merces
sanctifying still. behold. I am coming in quickness, and the wages

mea mecum est reddere unicuique
of me with me to be, and I am rendering to each and every one

secundum opera sua ego Alpha et Omega
according to the works of him. I the Alpha and the Omega,

primus et novissimus principium et finis beati
the first and the last, the principal and the finish. beatific

qui lavant stolas suas ut sit
who they are washing the stoles of them in order that to be

potestas eorum in ligno vitae et portis intrent
the potency of them in the tree of life, and the gates they are entering

in civitatem foris canes et venefici et inpudici
into the city. outside the dogs and the drug-abusers and the impudent

et homicidae et idolis servientes et omnis qui amat
and the homocidal and the idolaters and every one who he is loving

et facit mendacium ego Iesus misi angelum
and he is making mendacities. I Jesus I am sending the angel

meum testificari vobis haec in ecclesiis ego
of me to testify to you these things in the ecclesiae. I

sum radix et genus David stella splendida et
to be the root and offspring of David, the star splendid and

matutina et Spiritus et sponsa dicunt veni
matutinal. and the Spirit and the bride they are saying I am coming.

et qui audit dicat veni et qui sitit
and who he is hearing be you saying I am coming. and who he is thirsting

veniat qui vult accipiat aquam vitae
he is coming. who he is coming he is accepting the water of life

gratis contestor ego omni audienti verba
freely. I testify myself every one who is hearing the words of

prophetiae libri huius si quis adposuerit ad haec
the prophecy of the book this. if any one he is adding to this,

adponet Deus super illum plagas scriptas in libro
will be adding Zeus upon him the plagues written in the book

isto et si quis deminuerit de verbis libri
this. and if any one he is diminishing from the words of the book

prophetiae huius auferet Deus partem eius
of the prophecy this, will be taking away Zeus that part of him

de ligno vitae et de civitate sancta et de
from the tree of life, and from the city sanctified, and from

his quae scripta sunt in libro isto dicit
that which is written to be in the book this. and is saying

qui testimonium perhibet istorum etiam
him whose testimony it is being presented at hand, Now too

venio cito amen veni Domine Iesu
I AM coming in quickness amen. Be you coming O Dominant one Jesus.

gratia Domini nostri Iesu Christi ***** omnibus"
gratitude of the Dominant one of ours Jesus Christ be with all men.

--Apocalypsis 22:6-21, editio Vulgata

Armageddon Cometh,
Daniel Joseph Min
http://www.angelfire.com/moon2/danieljosephmin/

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If you go to the Shrouds Home Site

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On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 12:57:54 -0800,

REPLY: If you go to the Shrouds Home Site<SNIP>

You know, of course, that in the day of the shroud showing up, people
said, "Oh yeah, that guy did it."

There was *never* any mystery where the shroud came from...

Some believe and preach that God-hating Atheists should be pitied.
I don't subscribe to that pollyannaish philosophy at all any more,

I think that the only mystery remaining about the Shroud of Turin is
*Why* do antichrists (Atheists, CHRINOs, ad nauseam) refuse to accept
the incontrovertible evidence

On Jan 13, 11:02 pm, Father Haskell <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Jan 14, 1:10 am, Terry Cross <tcros...@hotmail.com> wrote:

On Jan 10, 11:26 am, Lord Calvert <CalvertdeG...@msn.com> wrote:

On Jan 10, 1:54 pm, Atheists Love Damnation

<athei...@hellfire.perdition> wrote:

On Wed, 9 Jan 2008,

The Holy Shroud in Turin is and remains a riddle

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I think that the only mystery remaining about the Shroud of Turin
is *Why* do antichrists (Atheists, CHRINOs, ad nauseam) refuse to
accept the incontrovertible evidence that this particular artifact
is the _actual_ shroud that the horribly beaten and crucified dead
physical body of Jesus Christ was wrapped in for more than seventy-
two contiguous hours before He physically resurrected, and neatly
folded up the cloth, and left it in the tomb for mortals to find?

Because no living creature bleeds tempera paint.

Nor does the shroud contain tempera paint. Is this a red herring?

Tempera means paint with an egg white binder. Are we
now to believe jesus bled Hollandaise sauce?

Indicate the scholarly report in which this was found in the shroud.

On Jan 14, 7:46 am, JessHC <jes...@phantomemail.com> wrote:

TerryCrosswrote:

On Jan 13, 11:02 pm, Father Haskell <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Jan 14, 1:10 am, TerryCross<tcros...@hotmail.com> wrote:

On Jan 10, 11:26 am, Lord Calvert <CalvertdeG...@msn.com> wrote:

On Jan 10, 1:54 pm, Atheists Love Damnation

<athei...@hellfire.perdition> wrote:

On Wed, 9 Jan 2008,

The Holy Shroud in Turin is and remains a riddle

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I think that the only mystery remaining about the Shroud of Turin
is *Why* do antichrists (Atheists, CHRINOs, ad nauseam) refuse to
accept the incontrovertible evidence that this particular artifact
is the _actual_ shroud that the horribly beaten and crucified dead
physical body of Jesus Christ was wrapped in for more than seventy-
two contiguous hours before He physically resurrected, and neatly
folded up the cloth, and left it in the tomb for mortals to find?

Because no living creature bleeds tempera paint.

Nor does the shroud contain tempera paint. Is this a red herring?

Tempera means paint with an egg white binder. Are we
now to believe jesus bled Hollandaise sauce?

Indicate the scholarly report in which this was found in the shroud.

http://books.google.com/books?id=bzM91fZXE6QC&pg=PA146&lpg=PA146&dq=t...
The Roman Church later convinced the investigators of their error, and
they recanted. More recent examinations in 1988 by radiocarbon dating
methods, including accelerator mass spectrometry, gave dates to
1325-1361, and microscopic examination of material on stick tapes
taken from the cloth revealed collagen tempura paint medium and
pigments red ochre and vermillion present only in image areas. No
blood or body fluid residue was found. It was concluded that a
medieval artist painted the Shroud about 1355, it to become a relic in
a Roman Church 1356.

There are continuing claims of the Shroud's authenticity in
pseudoscience articles and books.

http://mcri.org/home/section/63-64/the-shroud-of-turin
The faint sepia image is made up of billions of submicron pigment
particles (red ochre and vermilion) in a collagen tempera medium. The
pigments red ochre and vermilion with the collagen tempera medium was
a common paint composition during the 14th century; before which, no
one had ever heard of the Shroud.

Initial Examination - 1979

Dr. McCrone determined this by polarized light microscopy in 1979.
This included careful inspection of thousands of linen fibers from 32
different areas (Shroud and sample points), characterization of the
only colored image-forming particles by color, refractive indices,
polarized light microscopy, size, shape, and microchemical tests for
iron, mercury, and body fluids. The red ochre is present on 20 of both
body- and blood-image tapes; the vermilion only on 11 blood-image
tapes. Both pigments are absent on the 12 non-image tape fibers. The
paint pigments were dispersed in a collagen tempera (produced in
medieval times, perhaps, from parchment). It is chemically distinctly
different in composition from blood but readily detected and
identified microscopically by microchemical staining reactions.
Forensic tests for blood were uniformly negative on fibers from the
blood-image tapes. Based on these findings, McCrone postulated that
the Shroud was painted in 1355.

Further Research in 1980

In 1980, using electron microscopy and x-ray diffraction, McCrone
found red ochre (iron oxide, hematite) and vermilion (mercuric
sulfide); the electron microprobe analyzer found iron, mercury, and
sulfur on a dozen of the blood-image area samples. The results fully
confirmed Dr. McCrone's results and further proved the image was
painted twice - once with red ochre, followed by vermilion to enhance
the blood-image areas.

In 1987, carbon dating at three prestigious laboratories agreed well
with his date: 1355 by microscopy and 1325 by C-14 dating. The
suggestion that the 1532 Chambery fire changed the date of the cloth
is ludicrous. Samples for C-dating are routinely and completely burned
to CO 2 as part of a well-tested purification procedure. The
suggestions that modern biological contaminants were sufficient to
modernize the date are also ridiculous. A weight of 20th century
carbon equaling nearly two times the weight of the Shroud carbon
itself would be required to change a 1st century date to the 14th
century (see Carbon 14 Graph). Besides this, the linen cloth samples
were very carefully cleaned before analysis at each of the C-dating
laboratories.

Experimental details on the tests carried out by McCrone are available
in five papers published in three different peer-reviewed journal
articles: The Microscope 28, p. 105, 115 (1980); The Microscope 29, p.
19 (1981); Wiener Berichte uber Naturwissenschaft in der Kunst
1987/1988, 4/5, 50 and Acc. Chem. Res. 1990, 23, 77-83.

Conclusion:

The "Shroud" is a beautiful painting created about 1355 for a new
church in need of a pilgrim-attracting relic.

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/13762a.htm
Owing mainly to the researches of Canon Ulysse Chevalier a series of
documents was discovered which clearly proved that in 1389 the Bishop
of Troyes appealed to Clement VII, the Avignon Pope then recognized in
France, to put a stop to the scandals connected to the Shroud
preserved at Lirey. It was, the Bishop declared, the work of an artist
who some years before had confessed to having painted it but it was
then being exhibited by the Canons of Lirey in such a way that the
populace believed that it was the authentic shroud of Jesus Christ.
The pope, without absolutely prohibiting the exhibition of the Shroud,
decided after full examination that in the future when it was shown to
the people, the priest should declare in a loud voice that it was not
the real shroud of Christ, but only a picture made to represent it.
The authenticity of the documents connected with this appeal is not
disputed. Moreover, the grave suspicion thus thrown upon the relic is
immensely strengthened by the fact that no intelligible account,
beyond wild conjecture, can be given of the previous history of the
Shroud or its coming to Lirey.

Well, that is an amazing display of scholarly statements, alright.
But I do not see anything explaining how the painting was done with
such photographic realism. Even today, that would be a spectacular
undertaking freehand. In those days, photographic realism was never
undertaken.

We must also wonder at the medieval airbrush. Like nothing else of
that day. Invisible brush strokes and infinitely fine shading.

In addition to those wonders, the image is in negative shades, such
that when reversed through currently technical means, the face appears
in sepia tones - again, photographic. How would an individual of that
day even conceive of a negative image? http://www.shroud.com/examine.htm

And correct foreshortening of the limbs and all.

Your experts must allege all this artistic talent and anatomical
knowledge was exercised once by a highly trained painter, then never
again used for any other work. He/she then went back to the childlike
art of the day, pre-Rafaelean garments, anatomy, etc.

You are certainly free to believe it. After all, mass-spectrometers
never lie - they just have to be well-coached to tell the truth. And
you have infinite faith in the coaches.

But can they tell the whole story, or just the parts that won't be
contradicted.

Because the description of the actual shroud is directly contradictory
to the description given in the NT. This would make either the NT a
fraud, the shroud a fraud or both.

Ah, what a great moment for an Atheist - to argue from the New
Testament. Break out the champaign, ladies, and let us toast.