Saucy wrote:

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Feel free to 'splain your meaningless, worthless, useless,
miserable Atheistic waste of a lifetime to my loving dear
friend, the Grim Reaper, when you meet him vis-a-vis. :-D

Enjoy!
Daniel Joseph Min
http://www.2hot2cool.com/11/danieljosephmin/

"Fred of UrlBit.Us" lamented in vain:

I take great offense at this

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found all in vain. All in vain; because
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with his black shadow before him, and
enveloped the victim. And it was the
mornful influence of the unperceived
shadow that caused him to feel -- al-
though he neither saw nor heard -- to
feel the presence of my head within the
room...." --Edgar Allan Poe (1809-1849)

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It makes me giggle when you "God-Squad" types trot out your imaginary
friends to try to scare atheists. *You* might be afraid to die because
you think the "boogey-man" will come to claim you, but I don't bother
with such nonsense.

Have fun living your life in fear, doubt, regret, anger and shame.

I'll enjoy my life, which is full of joy, wonder, intellectual
stimulation love and acceptance.

Daniel Joseph Min:

"Feel free to 'splain your meaningless, worthless, useless, miserable
Atheistic waste of a lifetime to my loving dearfriend, the Grim Reaper,
when you meet him vis-a-vis. :-D"



V:

If the atheist does not believe in an afterlife, then they do the
''splaining as they live.' This is what I talk about in my posts below.


http://jesusneverexisted.org/jne/forum/index.php?topic=342.0

http://jesusneverexisted.org/jne/forum/index.php?topic=4.0

The road we take in life directs us to a flourishing life or not so
flushing life. In any case, no reason to get mad at atheists Daniel.
Tired of being angry? Just relinquish control and anger will be
diminished. Anger and control go hand in hand. Some of these tendencies
come from habit other times they stem from ignorance. Either way we can
change our habits or extinguish ignorance with knowledge, mindfulness
and practice. The first step is realization that something is
disturbing our peace needs to be changed, so glad you have taken this
first step for without realization that there is a problem nothing can
be done. I get stuck here as well with wrong thoughts and wrong speech
and am thankful for your post as a reminder to be on guard of this
tendency and to work on being mindful of the Buddhist eightfold path. I
already have the knowledge but sometimes am not mindful of walking the
path.

On page 90 of the AA's 12 and 12 the writers mention how the addict
cannot afford "justifiable anger" and it should be left to those better
qualified to handle it. With reference to this statement -- it is
gospel - there is no argument here. We can always settle such disputes
by looking deeply into the person, place, thing or emotion in question
and ask if it helps or hurts our practice? Does having anger and
hatred in our hearts ever increase our peace or serenity or does it
diminish it? Even is we are justified, so called, in having this
emotion does it suddenly become a peace generator in our life with this
newfound license to hate or is it still a peace buster whether we have
an excuse or not? The path is clear about which direction to take and
all that remains is the release of the anger.

Some people get confused with this anger question and beat themselves
for still experiencing this emotion thinking they should be a
"perfectly spiritual individual" and above such lowly emotions as
getting angry. They think they can perfect their lives and wipe out
natural law with one blow called spirituality. Due to the diversity of
thought we humans are capable of we have all sorts of thoughts and
emotions that pop up in our heads. Without this ability we could not
think as we do. But, just because thoughts or emotions pop up in our
heads the choice is ours alone whether we foster and build on any
particular thought or emotion. Spirituality does not eliminate such
thoughts - it just helps decide what we do with them.

Anger is also part of our natural make up. Anger is an emotions that
can serve us when we need to summon it up in a life or death situation
such as self defense or when our species had to hunt big game for a
living - hunt with spears, clubs and rocks. Even if we are dealing with
life or death self defense and must generate anger, the byproducts is
still a disruption of our peace as we recover from the circumstance as
a shaking and rattled mess. So, even if anger is justified, so called,
it does not magically become a peace promoter in our lives instead of a
peace destroyer. Anger is also an important emotion for self
preservation in less dangerous circumstances than big game hunts, for
without feeling anger we wound not seek out change - changing our
environment that might be an unhealthy one for us. So, we should never
regret feeling anger, but just as anger and excretion are two naturally
occurring parts of being a human, we should let them serve us instead
of we being enslaved to them.

But, I am here to remind you that besides justified anger, there are
HUNDREDS of other things that one cannot "afford" in their life is they
desire inner peace. Sure, we can all white knuckle it and just scrape
by with, ready to slip off at a moments notice if we want to put our
desires before our practice. But, learning what fits and what does not
fit comfortably in our life is the ongoing battle we all have to
undertake if we want peace. In short, we have to ask if our practice
can "afford" the many things we come into daily contact with and the
measure of our success will be determined by how well we live within
our comfortable means by asking this "affordability" question.

Before I could find lasting and peaceful recovery I had to learn to
refuse many areas of my old life that did not serve me any longer. This
is how I coined the phrase, "You are not recovering until your start
refusing...refusing the old sick ways that got you here." The 3 paths
that addiction (Yes, anger is addictive) can take are these: the
addiction can be increased, it can be decreased or can be frozen. These
3 paths shows us which direction we are headed in with our recovery at
any given moment. Clarity about affordability comes from a continual
orientation of putting our programs wants first and our personal wants
or desires second and by asking the question of how any person, place,
thing or activity will affect my recovery program? Once the addict has
this affordability mindset in place they can direct their thoughts
towards the cultivation of recovery, so that whatever action they are
engaged in - it is always evaluated from this perspective and they can
find great success from applying this single minded dedication to
change. Suddenly they find their recovery practice and life can become
as one and asking such questions becomes second nature for them.

But again, this is the textbook or idealistic way of looking at this
affordability question, we need practical application in the real
world. Many of us have families and jobs and to be a total renunciate
of all things disruptive to our peace and our recovery program is not
always possible or desirable when looking at the big picture. I often
hear excuses from other addicts saying they can't stop this or that
because of their family, jobs or other obligations, so we need to
balance these two extremes of being a total renunciate with the other
extreme of being paralyzed and not changing a thing because of excuses
and justification. We have to work towards a balance if we want peace
and just like exercise, we always seem to find reasons for not doing
what we know is right.

The way I work it is to be aware of what is disruptive to my peace and
to change it if possible as a first choice or work on accepting it as
the serenity prayer says as a second choice. I try to stay away from
justification or looking for excuses to continue on the wrong path. I
either change things or work on accepting them. If we base our
decisions of proven principles of recovery it helps takes us out of the
decision making process and rests our recovery on solid foundation
instead of excuses. I don't beat myself for not being able to perform
well in every given circumstance under the sun. I know that I do not
mesh well with everything and everybody in life and I have certain
limits and abilities. To do otherwise would say that we have the right
to be perfect and violate our make up and that we have no limits or
boundaries to govern us and are godlike. The 12 step programs reminds
us to work within our limits by "staying right size" on pages 122-125,
so it tells me right there I am not immune to all things destructive
just because I work the 12 steps.

In SCA they have a tool called abstention. They abstain the best way
they can from people places or things they have found to be detrimental
to their recovery program efforts from past experience with them. My
recovery success is based a lot on abstaining from people, places and
things that do not mesh well with me and if I cannot avoid them, then I
work to make the unavoidable fit better by changing things on my end.
Yes, we cannot change others, but we do usually have control of
ourselves and how we participate in dealing with others. Even though
we cannot completely change or wipe our many problem areas in our life
we can usually change *some* aspects of most problems to make them more
bearable. So, I am always looking for small changes to make in the
right direction and this recovery orientation towards the direction of
change helps by giving hope of possible larger future change as well.

In addition you can work practice a meditation on the 4 Immeasurables
aka Divine States of Dwelling. Radiate the 4 Immeasurables in all 4
directions as well, as above and below you so it emanates from your
being throughout the universe.

Meditate on:

Limitless Compassion for all suffering beings.
Limitless Joy for over the salvation of others from suffering
Limitless Peace for all beings whether friend or enemy
Limitless Kindness towards all sentient beings.

But bottom line is either you must change from the inside out - or life
will change you 'its way' from the outside in and this tends to rot
your insides.

Good luck,


V (Male)

Agnostic Freethinker
Practical Philosopher
AA#2

The interesting thing is, the very existance of an atheists threatens
him else he wouldn't be making threats.

The interesting thing is, the very existance of an atheists threatens
him else he wouldn't be making threats.

The interesting thing is, the very existance of an atheists threatens
him else he wouldn't be making threats.

The interesting thing is, the very existance of an atheists threatens
him else he wouldn't be making threats.