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NAILED
by DAVID DENBY
Mel Gibson's "The Passion of the Christ."
Issue of 2004-03-01
Posted 2004-02-23
In "The Passion of the Christ," Mel Gibson shows little interest in
celebrating the electric charge of hope and redemption that Jesus
Christ brought into the world.
<snip>
As a viewer, I am equally free to say that the movie Gibson has made
from his personal obsessions is a sickening death trip, a grimly
unilluminating procession of treachery, beatings, blood, and agony—and
to say so without indulging in "anti-Christian sentiment" (Gibson's
term for what his critics are spreading). For two hours, with only an
occasional pause or gentle flashback, we watch, stupefied, as a
handsome, strapping, at times half-naked young man (James Caviezel) is
slowly tortured to death. Gibson is so thoroughly fixated on the
scourging and crushing of Christ, and so meagrely involved in the
spiritual meanings of the final hours, that he falls in danger of
altering Jesus' message of love into one of hate.
And against whom will the audience direct its hate? As Gibson was
completing the film, some historians, theologians, and clergymen
accused him of emphasizing the discredited charge that it was the
ancient Jews who were primarily responsible for killing Jesus, a claim
that has served as the traditional justification for the persecution
of the Jews in Europe for nearly two millennia. The critics turn out
to have been right. Gibson is guilty of some serious mischief in his
handling of these issues. But he may have also committed an aggression
against Christian believers. The movie has been hailed as a religious
experience by various Catholic and Protestant groups, some of whom,
with an ungodly eye to the commercial realities of film distribution,
have prepurchased blocks of tickets or rented theatres to insure "The
Passion" a healthy opening weekend's business. But how, I wonder, will
people become better Christians if they are filled with the guilt,
anguish, or loathing that this movie may create in their souls?
<snip>
For two hours, with only an occasional pause or gentle flashback, we
watch, stupefied, as a handsome, strapping, at times half-naked young
man (James Caviezel) is slowly tortured to death. Gibson is so
thoroughly fixated on the scourging and crushing of Christ, and so
meagrely involved in the spiritual meanings of the final hours, that
he falls in danger of altering Jesus' message of love into one of
hate.
<snip>
What is most depressing about "The Passion" is the thought that people
will take their children to see it. Jesus said, "Suffer the little
children to come unto me," not "Let the little children watch me
suffer." How will parents deal with the pain, terror, and anger that
children will doubtless feel as they watch a man flayed and pierced
until dead? The despair of the movie is hard to shrug off, and
Gibson's timing couldn't be more unfortunate: another dose of
death-haunted religious fanaticism is the last thing we need.
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24 Feb 2004 02:36:59 PM |
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"Gibson is so thoroughly fixated on the scourging and crushing of Christ, and
so
meagrely involved in the spiritual meanings of the final hours, that he falls
in danger of altering Jesus' message of love into one of
hate."
You're so right... So Christians should concentrate on the love and just forget
about how their savior was crucified as a means of purging them of their sins.
If this was another mind numbing Jason vs Freddy kill em all flick, then no one
would say ***** about the violence. Is this movie rated G? If not, then who
cares? If you like or don't like the message don't see the film. It's that
simple.
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| User: "Dan" |
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24 Feb 2004 02:53:57 PM |
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"jha_amin" wrote
NAILED
by DAVID DENBY
Mel Gibson's "The Passion of the Christ."
Issue of 2004-03-01
Posted 2004-02-23
In "The Passion of the Christ," Mel Gibson shows little
interest in
celebrating the electric charge of hope and redemption that
Jesus
Christ brought into the world.
<snip>
As a viewer, I am equally free to say that the movie Gibson has
made
from his personal obsessions is a sickening death trip, a
grimly
unilluminating procession of treachery, beatings, blood, and
agony-and
to say so without indulging in "anti-Christian sentiment"
(Gibson's
term for what his critics are spreading). For two hours, with
only an
occasional pause or gentle flashback, we watch, stupefied, as a
handsome, strapping, at times half-naked young man (James
Caviezel) is
slowly tortured to death. Gibson is so thoroughly fixated on
the
scourging and crushing of Christ, and so meagrely involved in
the
spiritual meanings of the final hours, that he falls in danger
of
altering Jesus' message of love into one of hate.
I think you're missing an extremely important point here, one
that was obviously Mel's intention.
I will assume you are a Christian, and a good one, unlike myself,
who am a hypocritical pig merely masquerading as one.
I think that Gibson was trying to cut out everything 'external',
as to do with the actual Biblical story of mankind committing
Deicide, its own Creator, and simply 'document' the last 12 hours
(or whatever it is) of Jesus' life.
He wanted it to be so 'real', so as to make the viewer feel as if
they're actually there during the 'Passion' of Christ, that for
those who 'know' the basic story, and actually believe it, no
more need be said. For those who also know the basic story, and
yet do not believe, won't understand what the underlying message
of agape 'love' is all about in the first place.
It's all about the Ultimate Sacrifice for friends; about
obedience to the Father, and about His own love for us as fellow
brothers and sisters, and what He endured just so we could be
able to be with Him forever in Heaven.
You see blood, gore, whips, thorns, nails and man murdering
fellow man, and wonder where the love is.
I see a personal friend of mine taking my lifetime sins, and
heaping it entirely upon Himself, for my sake, my friends' sake,
my enemies' sake. For everyone's sake.
For God's sake, see the movie again, and stop thinking with your
head, and start feeling with your heart man. The movie isn't
about hate, for Jews, false Christians, Romans, gentiles, or
*anyone*, ever. It's about watching our Lord and Creator die for
us, because He loves us all, equally. And if you can equate that
with being a fanatical attitude, I plead guilty.
Dan
death-haunted religious fanaticism is the last thing we need.
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| User: "naming el" |
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25 Feb 2004 07:16:08 AM |
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"Dan" <twotrickpony@shaw.ca> wrote in message news:<FRO_b.612864$ts4.220060@pd7tw3no>...
"jha_amin" wrote
NAILED
by DAVID DENBY
Mel Gibson's "The Passion of the Christ."
Issue of 2004-03-01
Posted 2004-02-23
In "The Passion of the Christ," Mel Gibson shows little
interest in
celebrating the electric charge of hope and redemption that
Jesus
Christ brought into the world.
<snip>
As a viewer, I am equally free to say that the movie Gibson has
made
from his personal obsessions is a sickening death trip, a
grimly
unilluminating procession of treachery, beatings, blood, and
agony-and
to say so without indulging in "anti-Christian sentiment"
(Gibson's
term for what his critics are spreading). For two hours, with
only an
occasional pause or gentle flashback, we watch, stupefied, as a
handsome, strapping, at times half-naked young man (James
Caviezel) is
slowly tortured to death. Gibson is so thoroughly fixated on
the
scourging and crushing of Christ, and so meagrely involved in
the
spiritual meanings of the final hours, that he falls in danger
of
altering Jesus' message of love into one of hate.
I think you're missing an extremely important point here, one
that was obviously Mel's intention.
I would not assume to know the intention of a man who has made
millions pretending to be something he is not.
I will assume you are a Christian, and a good one, unlike myself,
who am a hypocritical pig merely masquerading as one.
Yes....in a previous life i was a christian, so it was necessary that
i reincarnate and do it correctly this time.
I think that Gibson was trying to cut out everything 'external',
as to do with the actual Biblical story of mankind committing
Deicide, its own Creator, and simply 'document' the last 12 hours
(or whatever it is) of Jesus' life.
He wanted it to be so 'real', so as to make the viewer feel as if
they're actually there during the 'Passion' of Christ, that for
those who 'know' the basic story, and actually believe it, no
more need be said. For those who also know the basic story, and
yet do not believe, won't understand what the underlying message
of agape 'love' is all about in the first place.
God says: "I was a Hidden Treasure, and I Loved to be known. [Sufi
reason for creation] "You shall KNOW the TRUTH and the truth shall
set you free."
Love will follow correct knowledge. It is not sacrifice of life,
human or animal.
It's all about the Ultimate Sacrifice for friends; about
obedience to the Father, and about His own love for us as fellow
brothers and sisters, and what He endured just so we could be
able to be with Him forever in Heaven.
Why would a loving god INSIST on obedience? Do you, as a father do
the same or do you allow your children freedom? It would be well
within gods power to not give forced choices such as obey me or die.
Why would he not do this?
You see blood, gore, whips, thorns, nails and man murdering
fellow man, and wonder where the love is.
No, i don't wonder where the love is. This is the way it has been for
the last 2k years. Something is wrong with this picture you paint,
Dan. You have every right to believe jesus lives on the other side
of the moon, but to convince me or anyone else of that is a violation
of my free will. What a shame you are not aware of the consequences
of your actions.
I see a personal friend of mine taking my lifetime sins, and
heaping it entirely upon Himself, for my sake, my friends' sake,
my enemies' sake. For everyone's sake.
For God's sake, see the movie again, and stop thinking with your
head, and start feeling with your heart man. The movie isn't
about hate, for Jews, false Christians, Romans, gentiles, or
*anyone*, ever. It's about watching our Lord and Creator die for
us, because He loves us all, equally. And if you can equate that
with being a fanatical attitude, I plead guilty.
Would you not "die" for all of humanity if you knew for sure that
there was no death, Dan?
Dan
death-haunted religious fanaticism is the last thing we need.
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25 Feb 2004 06:36:56 PM |
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In article <61cc8295.0402250516.c2a209f@posting.google.com>, (naming el) wrote:
"Dan" <twotrickpony@shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:<FRO_b.612864$ts4.220060@pd7tw3no>...
"jha_amin" wrote
NAILED
by DAVID DENBY
Mel Gibson's "The Passion of the Christ."
Issue of 2004-03-01
Posted 2004-02-23
In "The Passion of the Christ," Mel Gibson shows little
interest in
celebrating the electric charge of hope and redemption that
Jesus
Christ brought into the world.
<snip>
As a viewer, I am equally free to say that the movie Gibson has
made
from his personal obsessions is a sickening death trip, a
grimly
unilluminating procession of treachery, beatings, blood, and
agony-and
to say so without indulging in "anti-Christian sentiment"
(Gibson's
term for what his critics are spreading). For two hours, with
only an
occasional pause or gentle flashback, we watch, stupefied, as a
handsome, strapping, at times half-naked young man (James
Caviezel) is
slowly tortured to death. Gibson is so thoroughly fixated on
the
scourging and crushing of Christ, and so meagrely involved in
the
spiritual meanings of the final hours, that he falls in danger
of
altering Jesus' message of love into one of hate.
I think you're missing an extremely important point here, one
that was obviously Mel's intention.
I would not assume to know the intention of a man who has made
millions pretending to be something he is not.
I will assume you are a Christian, and a good one, unlike myself,
who am a hypocritical pig merely masquerading as one.
Yes....in a previous life i was a christian, so it was necessary that
i reincarnate and do it correctly this time.
I think that Gibson was trying to cut out everything 'external',
as to do with the actual Biblical story of mankind committing
Deicide, its own Creator, and simply 'document' the last 12 hours
(or whatever it is) of Jesus' life.
He wanted it to be so 'real', so as to make the viewer feel as if
they're actually there during the 'Passion' of Christ, that for
those who 'know' the basic story, and actually believe it, no
more need be said. For those who also know the basic story, and
yet do not believe, won't understand what the underlying message
of agape 'love' is all about in the first place.
God says: "I was a Hidden Treasure, and I Loved to be known. [Sufi
reason for creation] "You shall KNOW the TRUTH and the truth shall
set you free."
Love will follow correct knowledge. It is not sacrifice of life,
human or animal.
It's all about the Ultimate Sacrifice for friends; about
obedience to the Father, and about His own love for us as fellow
brothers and sisters, and what He endured just so we could be
able to be with Him forever in Heaven.
Why would a loving god INSIST on obedience? Do you, as a father do
the same or do you allow your children freedom? It would be well
within gods power to not give forced choices such as obey me or die.
Why would he not do this?
I view this as more an explanation of what the natural consequences will be of
your actions, not an "if you do this I will punish you" type of thing, although
that's certainly how it's presented.
If you look at the original Law, much of it makes a *lot* of sense in terms of
hygiene and the prevention of the spread of disease or food poisoning. We have
to keep in mind that this Law was handed down to a bunch of yahoos who saw a
pillar of smoke during the day, a pillar of light during the night, and still
decided to melt all their perfectly good jewelry so they could worship a stupid
statue - these were *not* NASA recruits, here!
God got a bum rap, IMHO, when He's really a Good Guy!
Woods
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| User: "Dan" |
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25 Feb 2004 08:30:06 PM |
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"Woodswun" wrot;
I view this as more an explanation of what the natural
consequences will be of
your actions, not an "if you do this I will punish you" type of
thing, although
that's certainly how it's presented.
If you look at the original Law, much of it makes a *lot* of
sense in terms of
hygiene and the prevention of the spread of disease or food
poisoning. We have
to keep in mind that this Law was handed down to a bunch of
yahoos who saw a
pillar of smoke during the day, a pillar of light during the
night, and still
decided to melt all their perfectly good jewelry so they could
worship a stupid
statue - these were *not* NASA recruits, here!
God got a bum rap, IMHO, when He's really a Good Guy!
Woods
Well said, man.
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| User: "sUSAn B Anthony" |
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24 Feb 2004 09:08:24 PM |
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Dan wrote:
I see a personal friend of mine taking my
lifetime sins, and heaping it entirely
upon Himself, for my sake, my friends'
sake, my enemies' sake. For everyone's
sake.
For Christ's sake!
For God's sake, see the movie again,
and stop thinking with your head, and
start feeling with your heart man. The
movie isn't about hate, for Jews, false
Christians, Romans, gentiles, or
*anyone*, ever. It's about watching our
Lord and Creator die for us, because He
loves us all, equally. And if you can
equate that with being a fanatical
attitude, I plead guilty.
Yep!
Jesus LOVES YOU! - The rest of us think you're an *****!
Bumper sticker. :)
It's a bumper sticker I once saw, Dan
sUSAn
Dan
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| User: "Dan" |
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24 Feb 2004 10:39:32 PM |
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That's the sweetest, most thoughtful epithet I've ever had the
pleasure of being hurled with in a while. I think I'm going to
cry. Quick, somebody get Babwa Wawa on the phone, look in my
Rolodex. And where the ***** are my quaaludes?
I'm not wearing any underwear, btw. Film at Eleven.
Dan
"sUSAn B Anthony" wrote;
For Christ's sake!
For God's sake, see the movie again,
and stop thinking with your head, and
start feeling with your heart man. The
movie isn't about hate, for Jews, false
Christians, Romans, gentiles, or
*anyone*, ever. It's about watching our
Lord and Creator die for us, because He
loves us all, equally. And if you can
equate that with being a fanatical
attitude, I plead guilty.
Yep!
Jesus LOVES YOU! - The rest of us think you're an *****!
Bumper sticker. :)
It's a bumper sticker I once saw, Dan
sUSAn
Dan
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| User: "Woodswun" |
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24 Feb 2004 08:08:29 PM |
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In article <33b7880.0402241224.332292af@posting.google.com>, (jha_amin) wrote:
http://www.newyorker.com/critics/cinema /
NAILED
by DAVID DENBY
Mel Gibson's "The Passion of the Christ."
Issue of 2004-03-01
Posted 2004-02-23
In "The Passion of the Christ," Mel Gibson shows little interest in
celebrating the electric charge of hope and redemption that Jesus
Christ brought into the world.
If the hype is any indication, this movie is gonna stink. With the exception of
movies based on very popular books ("Harry Potter", "Lord of the Rings"), I've
found that the amount of hype is inversely proportional to the viewability of
the movie.
This thing has been hyped so much that I'm sick of it already! :-P
Woods
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| User: "sUSAn B Anthony" |
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24 Feb 2004 09:22:29 PM |
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Woods wrote:
This thing has been hyped so much that
I'm sick of it already! :-P
Uh-huh!
I'm looking forward to seeing Johnny Depp in "Secret Window".
I saw the preview last week while watching "Mystic River" and "Butterfly
Effect" the week before.
I am contemplating whether or not to just wait for TPOC to come out on
DVD. I want to see if rioting breaks out in front of the theaters first.
And has anybody thought of............... ........ terror-ism in the
aisles yet? :-o
sUSAn
Woods
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| User: "Saint Isidore of Laytonville" |
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24 Feb 2004 10:01:43 PM |
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The local Baptist minister suggested that everybody go to see it.
Now I know I'm NOT going to see the movie!
The Psychedelick Pope
Saint Isidore of Laytonville
^Ö^ Patron Saint of the Internet ^Ö^
°°^Ö^ °°
http://apple2.org.za/gswv/me
AOXOMOXOA and ENESSA QUA ONNICA
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| User: "Jake the Pake" |
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25 Feb 2004 06:09:29 AM |
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There is no god, and any man or woman that believes that anyone or anything
that can suddenly pop up from nowhere and create heaven and earth in 6 days
needs a good slap across the face to bring them back to reality. Religion
was engineered to control the masses and all it has done since then is
create chaos and havoc across the world. It will be a great day when a UFO
lands in Time Square and the aliens prove once and for all that religion is
all one big con..
"jha_amin" <jha_amin@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:33b7880.0402241224.332292af@posting.google.com...
http://www.newyorker.com/critics/cinema /
NAILED
by DAVID DENBY
Mel Gibson's "The Passion of the Christ."
Issue of 2004-03-01
Posted 2004-02-23
In "The Passion of the Christ," Mel Gibson shows little interest in
celebrating the electric charge of hope and redemption that Jesus
Christ brought into the world.
<snip>
As a viewer, I am equally free to say that the movie Gibson has made
from his personal obsessions is a sickening death trip, a grimly
unilluminating procession of treachery, beatings, blood, and agony-and
to say so without indulging in "anti-Christian sentiment" (Gibson's
term for what his critics are spreading). For two hours, with only an
occasional pause or gentle flashback, we watch, stupefied, as a
handsome, strapping, at times half-naked young man (James Caviezel) is
slowly tortured to death. Gibson is so thoroughly fixated on the
scourging and crushing of Christ, and so meagrely involved in the
spiritual meanings of the final hours, that he falls in danger of
altering Jesus' message of love into one of hate.
And against whom will the audience direct its hate? As Gibson was
completing the film, some historians, theologians, and clergymen
accused him of emphasizing the discredited charge that it was the
ancient Jews who were primarily responsible for killing Jesus, a claim
that has served as the traditional justification for the persecution
of the Jews in Europe for nearly two millennia. The critics turn out
to have been right. Gibson is guilty of some serious mischief in his
handling of these issues. But he may have also committed an aggression
against Christian believers. The movie has been hailed as a religious
experience by various Catholic and Protestant groups, some of whom,
with an ungodly eye to the commercial realities of film distribution,
have prepurchased blocks of tickets or rented theatres to insure "The
Passion" a healthy opening weekend's business. But how, I wonder, will
people become better Christians if they are filled with the guilt,
anguish, or loathing that this movie may create in their souls?
<snip>
For two hours, with only an occasional pause or gentle flashback, we
watch, stupefied, as a handsome, strapping, at times half-naked young
man (James Caviezel) is slowly tortured to death. Gibson is so
thoroughly fixated on the scourging and crushing of Christ, and so
meagrely involved in the spiritual meanings of the final hours, that
he falls in danger of altering Jesus' message of love into one of
hate.
<snip>
What is most depressing about "The Passion" is the thought that people
will take their children to see it. Jesus said, "Suffer the little
children to come unto me," not "Let the little children watch me
suffer." How will parents deal with the pain, terror, and anger that
children will doubtless feel as they watch a man flayed and pierced
until dead? The despair of the movie is hard to shrug off, and
Gibson's timing couldn't be more unfortunate: another dose of
death-haunted religious fanaticism is the last thing we need.
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| User: "cesar" |
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25 Feb 2004 08:36:09 AM |
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"Jake the Pake" <johncon2@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Qd0%b.16664$cb.9277@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk...
There is no god, and any man or woman that believes that anyone or
anything
that can suddenly pop up from nowhere and create heaven and earth in 6
days
needs a good slap across the face to bring them back to reality. Religion
was engineered to control the masses and all it has done since then is
create chaos and havoc across the world. It will be a great day when a
UFO
lands in Time Square and the aliens prove once and for all that religion
is
all one big con..
Now believing aliens is believing in the fairy godmother. Yes, religion was
an invention to control people and the greatest inventor of religion was
Satan. Yet the truth is there if you know how to discern it from the
religious spews and lies made by those who don't understand what they read.
But of course, the universe was not created in 6 terrestrial days! The
earth and the solar system were not yet created, so what is 1 day and how
long is it in terms of a terrestrial 24 hours?
This is where the feeble minded blind are leading the blind.
The 6 days of creation is to be understood as a cycle of 7. Genesis says:
"These are the ***generations*** of the heavens and of the earth when they
were created, ***in the day*** that the LORD God made the earth and the
heavens,
Understand what the above says: It does not say God created the universe in
6 days. It says he created it in ONE day. It happened all at once in a BIG
BANG before there was any "day" that we understand but it was some moment in
time in God's day. And you know, God's day is an eternity, isn't it? From
the star dusts of the Big Bang, everything came forth in its season.
What are the seasons? Those are the cycles. Stars are born and they die in
due season. So, what is the "season" appointed for the earth? 7 day
cycles. How long is a day in heaven compared to a day on the earth? If
heaven is a place of light, then everything there moves at a speed of light.
It is written in the bible that a day to the Lord is 1,000 years to us. Use
math to figure out the time dilation of the 365,250 to 1 ratio. The time
dilation equation was written by Nobel prize physicists Lorenz and
Fitzgerald. If you plug those numbers in, you will get a number that is
very close the speed of light itself, meaning, heaven is a place of light
and earth is a place where 1 day is one rotation of the planet at a greatly
dilated rate as compared to heaven.
So then, the cycle (generation) of the earth is 7,000 years. In terms of
God having created man in his own image, this means the infusion of
Consciousness into the mind of the animal man that makes him a living soul
and sets him apart from the apeman. This Consciousness in man translates
to Civilization, from the discovery of fire to the invention of the wheel to
it being used on Mars. That span lasts 6,000 years at which time
civilization is destroyed and there will be a 1,000 year (day of the Lord)
rest for Creation, until it springs up again. Those are the seasons, the
generations of the earth. There may be signs of very ancient civilizations
that have been wiped out but ours started in a traceable lineage back to
Abraham, in the ancient city of Ur in Iraq.
cesar
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| User: "Jake the Pake" |
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25 Feb 2004 05:21:37 PM |
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OK, so you explained the creation process. Now where did God come from? An
almighty presence with all that power just appearing from nowhere just isn't
comprehendable.
"cesar" <cesar@no.email> wrote in message news:403cb2db_2@127.0.0.1...
"Jake the Pake" <johncon2@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Qd0%b.16664$cb.9277@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk...
There is no god, and any man or woman that believes that anyone or
anything
that can suddenly pop up from nowhere and create heaven and earth in 6
days
needs a good slap across the face to bring them back to reality.
Religion
was engineered to control the masses and all it has done since then is
create chaos and havoc across the world. It will be a great day when a
UFO
lands in Time Square and the aliens prove once and for all that religion
is
all one big con..
Now believing aliens is believing in the fairy godmother. Yes, religion
was
an invention to control people and the greatest inventor of religion was
Satan. Yet the truth is there if you know how to discern it from the
religious spews and lies made by those who don't understand what they
read.
But of course, the universe was not created in 6 terrestrial days! The
earth and the solar system were not yet created, so what is 1 day and how
long is it in terms of a terrestrial 24 hours?
This is where the feeble minded blind are leading the blind.
The 6 days of creation is to be understood as a cycle of 7. Genesis
says:
"These are the ***generations*** of the heavens and of the earth when they
were created, ***in the day*** that the LORD God made the earth and the
heavens,
Understand what the above says: It does not say God created the universe
in
6 days. It says he created it in ONE day. It happened all at once in a
BIG
BANG before there was any "day" that we understand but it was some moment
in
time in God's day. And you know, God's day is an eternity, isn't it?
From
the star dusts of the Big Bang, everything came forth in its season.
What are the seasons? Those are the cycles. Stars are born and they die
in
due season. So, what is the "season" appointed for the earth? 7 day
cycles. How long is a day in heaven compared to a day on the earth? If
heaven is a place of light, then everything there moves at a speed of
light.
It is written in the bible that a day to the Lord is 1,000 years to us.
Use
math to figure out the time dilation of the 365,250 to 1 ratio. The time
dilation equation was written by Nobel prize physicists Lorenz and
Fitzgerald. If you plug those numbers in, you will get a number that is
very close the speed of light itself, meaning, heaven is a place of light
and earth is a place where 1 day is one rotation of the planet at a
greatly
dilated rate as compared to heaven.
So then, the cycle (generation) of the earth is 7,000 years. In terms of
God having created man in his own image, this means the infusion of
Consciousness into the mind of the animal man that makes him a living soul
and sets him apart from the apeman. This Consciousness in man translates
to Civilization, from the discovery of fire to the invention of the wheel
to
it being used on Mars. That span lasts 6,000 years at which time
civilization is destroyed and there will be a 1,000 year (day of the Lord)
rest for Creation, until it springs up again. Those are the seasons, the
generations of the earth. There may be signs of very ancient
civilizations
that have been wiped out but ours started in a traceable lineage back to
Abraham, in the ancient city of Ur in Iraq.
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"Jake the Pake" <johncon2@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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OK, so you explained the creation process. Now where did God come from?
An
almighty presence with all that power just appearing from nowhere just
isn't
comprehendable.
Exactly!!!!
Neither is neurosurgery to a three year old.
But........ given time and experience........................
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26 Feb 2004 10:31:24 AM |
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" John F Lemke" <jflemke@LocalLink.net> wrote in message news:<noydnTRNj67W8qDdRVn-jg@locallink.net>...
"Jake the Pake" <johncon2@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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OK, so you explained the creation process. Now where did God come from?
An
almighty presence with all that power just appearing from nowhere just
isn't
comprehendable.
Exactly!!!!
Neither is neurosurgery to a three year old.
But........ given time and experience........................
Just as god has no beginning, neither did you.
If you exist now, you have existed forever and will continue.
Quite a trip, eh? ;)
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26 Feb 2004 11:40:31 AM |
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"naming el" <naming_el@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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" John F Lemke" <jflemke@LocalLink.net> wrote in message
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"Jake the Pake" <johncon2@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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OK, so you explained the creation process. Now where did God come
from?
An
almighty presence with all that power just appearing from nowhere just
isn't
comprehendable.
Exactly!!!!
Neither is neurosurgery to a three year old.
But........ given time and experience........................
Just as god has no beginning, neither did you.
If you exist now, you have existed forever and will continue.
Quite a trip, eh? ;)
Ya, since the foundations, apparently. :-)
It's all about learning and learning about love. Love hurts sometimes.
That seems to be the hard part.
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26 Feb 2004 06:27:20 PM |
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"naming el" <naming_el@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Jake the Pake" <johncon2@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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OK, so you explained the creation process. Now where did God come
from?
An
almighty presence with all that power just appearing from nowhere just
isn't
comprehendable.
Exactly!!!!
Neither is neurosurgery to a three year old.
But........ given time and experience........................
Just as god has no beginning, neither did you.
If you exist now, you have existed forever and will continue.
Quite a trip, eh? ;)
Ya, since the foundations, apparently. :-)
It's all about learning and learning about love. Love hurts sometimes.
That seems to be the hard part.
Paul gives an apt description of love that does not include loving
someone because you are expecting something in return. (heaven,
eternal life, redemption from sin etc.)
"Love is patient, it is full of kindness, Love is not envious;
Love vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up with pride, does nothing
dishonest, does not seek its own interest, is not provoked to
irritation, does not suspect evil, rejoices not in injustice but
rejoices in the truth; it forgives all things, hopes all things and
endures all things.
Love will never perish when prophecies come to an end, when
tongues cease to be, when knowledge disappears." (I Corinthians xiii:
4-8)
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26 Feb 2004 07:27:07 PM |
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"naming el" <naming_el@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Jake the Pake" <johncon2@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:J3a%b.1745$IW1.135@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk...
OK, so you explained the creation process. Now where did God come
from?
An
almighty presence with all that power just appearing from nowhere
just
isn't
comprehendable.
Exactly!!!!
Neither is neurosurgery to a three year old.
But........ given time and experience........................
Just as god has no beginning, neither did you.
If you exist now, you have existed forever and will continue.
Quite a trip, eh? ;)
Ya, since the foundations, apparently. :-)
It's all about learning and learning about love. Love hurts sometimes.
That seems to be the hard part.
Paul gives an apt description of love that does not include loving
someone because you are expecting something in return. (heaven,
eternal life, redemption from sin etc.)
"Love is patient, it is full of kindness, Love is not envious;
Love vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up with pride, does nothing
dishonest, does not seek its own interest, is not provoked to
irritation, does not suspect evil, rejoices not in injustice but
rejoices in the truth; it forgives all things, hopes all things and
endures all things.
Love will never perish when prophecies come to an end, when
tongues cease to be, when knowledge disappears." (I Corinthians xiii:
4-8)
And sometimes we have to encounter some severe pain and difficulty in order
to see into Love. When we perceive the world thru that filter of self then
Love is hidden in fog. Pain and difficulty, the cross we're to bear daily,
is what kills self, cleansing the doors of perception.
It's tough in this free-enterprise culture to accept a way of life that
doesn't constantly bring us comfort and ease.
In this mind set anything that makes us feel good becomes love, lovely.
Hence the descent of culture, civilization, especially over the last 35
years.
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26 Feb 2004 07:43:01 PM |
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I have not seen the movie and I probably don't need to. Some movies make
one weep. Some songs too. Ever wonder why?
cesar
THE LIVING YEARS
Mike + The Mechanics
Every generation
Blames the one before
And all of their frustrations
Come beating on your door
I know that I'm a prisoner
To all my Father held so dear
I know that I'm a hostage
To all his hopes and fears
I just wish I could have told him in the living years
Crumpled bits of paper
Filled with imperfect thought
Stilted conversations
I'm afraid that's all we've got
You say you just don't see it
He says it's perfect sense
You just can't get agreement
In this present tense
We all talk a different language
Talking in defence
Say it loud, say it clear
You can listen as well as you hear
It's too late when we die
To admit we don't see eye to eye
So we open up a quarrel
Between the present and the past
We only sacrifice the future
It's the bitterness that lasts
So Don't yield to the fortunes
You sometimes see as fate
It may have a new perspective
On a different day
And if you don't give up, and don't give in
You may just be O.K.
Say it loud, say it clear
You can listen as well as you hear
It's too late when we die
To admit we don't see eye to eye
I wasn't there that morning
When my Father passed away
I didn't get to tell him
All the things I had to say
I think I caught his spirit
Later that same year
I'm sure I heard his echo
In my baby's new born tears
I just wish I could have told him in the living years
Say it loud, say it clear
You can listen as well as you hear
It's too late when we die
To admit we don't see eye to eye
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25 Feb 2004 07:53:56 PM |
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"Jake the Pake" <johncon2@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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OK, so you explained the creation process. Now where did God come from?
An
almighty presence with all that power just appearing from nowhere just
isn't
comprehendable.
It is the question of an eternity. The greatest mystery in the entire
universe. No one knows. Only God himself knows God. Does that mean he
exists?
We can only answer this by turning the question backwards. Do we exist? If
so, then God must exist also because our ability to know that we exist comes
from a Consciousness, the Connection between God and man: father and son.
The fact that we say 'God', means that there is God. The fact that we can
define Infinity means that there is infinity, even if we cannot see it.
Heaven is the center of creation. It is the closest place to God yet still
an eternity away. John saw the throne, whose face the heavens and the earth
fled away. That is the center of heaven, ground zero of the big bang when
God said, "Let there be light", such that everything moves away from the
ever expanding point of origin at the speed of light. Unless you are faster
than the speed of light, you cannot overcome light. And the speed of light
is the absolute. So, we know there is a God by our own existence, our own
consciousness, but in order to see him, we have to be outside of it. But
stepping outside of Creation means we don't exist. It is a Paradox. That's
all I know.
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25 Feb 2004 06:33:16 PM |
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In article <J3a%b.1745$IW1.135@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk>, "Jake the Pake" <johncon2@hotmail.com> wrote:
OK, so you explained the creation process. Now where did God come from? An
almighty presence with all that power just appearing from nowhere just isn't
comprehendable.
Is Time as linear as that? I doubt it.
Woods
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26 Feb 2004 07:16:58 PM |
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(Woodswun) wrote in message news:<g9b%b.91999$%72.67066@twister.nyroc.rr.com>...
In article <J3a%b.1745$IW1.135@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk>, "Jake the Pake" <johncon2@hotmail.com> wrote:
OK, so you explained the creation process. Now where did God come from? An
almighty presence with all that power just appearing from nowhere just isn't
comprehendable.
Is Time as linear as that? I doubt it.
Not proving that God exists. Try that in alt.atheism. Thank God that
group exists. God save us from his believers.
Woods
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26 Feb 2004 08:38:54 AM |
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On Wed, 25 Feb 2004 23:21:37 -0000, "Jake the Pake"
<johncon2@hotmail.com> wrote:
OK, so you explained the creation process. Now where did God come from?
An
almighty presence with all that power just appearing from nowhere just isn't
comprehendable.
Right. To you it's not comprehendable; you're a mere human - his
creation. That's the whole point, we're not supposed to "get it" (as
if we could ever even begin to think *we* can understand God's mind
and the whole scheme of things.
You answered your own question, Jake.
Dani
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25 Feb 2004 08:35:53 PM |
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cesar, when you get back to the basics, and forget about all the
various futuristic 'scenarios' and *****, you come across as one
outstanding Christian. And nobody can ever take that away from
you. Good job, man. regards.
Dan
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25 Feb 2004 10:15:25 PM |
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"Dan" <twotrickpony@shaw.ca> wrote in message
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cesar, when you get back to the basics, and forget about all the
various futuristic 'scenarios' and *****, you come across as one
outstanding Christian. And nobody can ever take that away from
you. Good job, man. regards.
Dan
You da man, Dan. You da man.
Your review of the movie was great. I weep just thinking about the movie.
I weep every year on Good Friday reading the Gospel of John. Like you say,
if you believe, truly believe Jesus was the Son of God, then how can you not
weep for what happened to him? But we weep not only for his pain and
suffering but equally for our own guilt. We shouldn't feel sorry for Jesus;
he doesn't need your sympathy. We should look at ourselves; collectively
how evil we are. What a shameful lot we are in the eyes of Jesus. Rather
than weeping, we should transcend that emotion and feel downright indignant,
no, not about the Jews, but about injustice everywhere. Because what
happened to Jesus happens to millions of innocent fellow beings every day.
Jesus, as Christ said to John he was a fellowservant. Don't worship him:
worship God.
If you read the beginning of the Book of Revelation, he condemns his
churches. This was back in 90 A.D. Imagine. Then the rest of Revelation
makes no mention of "Christians" or the Church. It mentions the Lamb and
the Righteous. Being "Christian" has nothing to do with it.
So, while I appreciate your compliment and I take it positively, I fear that
the term "Christian" has a stigma to it. It is because I don't ever want to
be associated with the likes of Benny Hinn, or Jack van Impe or Pat
Roberston or Jerry Falwell, etc. who call each other great Christians.
Christianity and the Church has been usurped by Satan. Just because Jesus
had the power to pardon as he did to the adulteress, it doesn't mean that
"anything goes" because Jesus will forgive you as long as you wear the
Christian badge, pay your church dues and get your last rites. He said: Sin
no more. What happened to the adulteress was that she was so moved by the
Son of God that she changed her ways. When are Christians going to change
their ways? Chrisitianity is a perversion and an usurpation of the name of
the Lord as a license to do the evil deeds of the Christian kings and
politicians. That is why they will be judged by Christ himself when he comes
back to the earth.
Rather than calling myself Christian since I don't want to associate myself
with that club, I would rather call myself a believer of Christ and a
servant of God.
cesar
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26 Feb 2004 08:46:18 AM |
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On Wed, 25 Feb 2004 23:15:25 -0500, "cesar" <cesar@no.email> wrote:
"Dan" <twotrickpony@shaw.ca> wrote in message
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cesar, when you get back to the basics, and forget about all the
various futuristic 'scenarios' and *****, you come across as one
outstanding Christian. And nobody can ever take that away from
you. Good job, man. regards.
Dan
You da man, Dan. You da man.
Your review of the movie was great. I weep just thinking about the movie.
I weep every year on Good Friday reading the Gospel of John. Like you say,
if you believe, truly believe Jesus was the Son of God, then how can you not
weep for what happened to him? But we weep not only for his pain and
suffering but equally for our own guilt. We shouldn't feel sorry for Jesus;
he doesn't need your sympathy. We should look at ourselves; collectively
how evil we are. What a shameful lot we are in the eyes of Jesus. Rather
than weeping, we should transcend that emotion and feel downright indignant,
no, not about the Jews, but about injustice everywhere. Because what
happened to Jesus happens to millions of innocent fellow beings every day.
Jesus, as Christ said to John he was a fellowservant. Don't worship him:
worship God.
If you read the beginning of the Book of Revelation, he condemns his
churches. This was back in 90 A.D. Imagine. Then the rest of Revelation
makes no mention of "Christians" or the Church. It mentions the Lamb and
the Righteous. Being "Christian" has nothing to do with it.
So, while I appreciate your compliment and I take it positively, I fear that
the term "Christian" has a stigma to it. It is because I don't ever want to
be associated with the likes of Benny Hinn, or Jack van Impe or Pat
Roberston or Jerry Falwell, etc. who call each other great Christians.
Christianity and the Church has been usurped by Satan. Just because Jesus
had the power to pardon as he did to the adulteress, it doesn't mean that
"anything goes" because Jesus will forgive you as long as you wear the
Christian badge, pay your church dues and get your last rites. He said: Sin
no more. What happened to the adulteress was that she was so moved by the
Son of God that she changed her ways. When are Christians going to change
their ways? Chrisitianity is a perversion and an usurpation of the name of
the Lord as a license to do the evil deeds of the Christian kings and
politicians. That is why they will be judged by Christ himself when he comes
back to the earth.
Rather than calling myself Christian since I don't want to associate myself
with that club, I would rather call myself a believer of Christ and a
servant of God.
Good post. This is why I stopped going to church (Catholic). If
Jesus can see my heart, and hear my words, and know my mind.. then why
not just be the best person I can be *without* having a title attached
to it?
Dani
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"Jake the Pake" <johncon2@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<Qd0%b.16664$cb.9277@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk>...
There is no god
The extreme atheist position is wrong. So is the extreme religionist's
view.
, and any man or woman that believes that anyone or anything
that can suddenly pop up from nowhere and create heaven and earth in 6 days
needs a good slap across the face to bring them back to reality.
Yeah, that's unreal probably.
Religion
was engineered to control the masses
Engineered yes, but there is some original truth to religion.
and all it has done since then is
create chaos and havoc across the world.
Along with other institutions.
It will be a great day when a UFO
lands in Time Square and the aliens prove once and for all that religion is
all one big con..
If UFO's are watching, why should they interfere? They would watch us
like we watch ant colonies.
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"jha_amin" <jha_amin@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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by DAVID DENBY
Mel Gibson's "The Passion of the Christ."
Issue of 2004-03-01
Posted 2004-02-23
In "The Passion of the Christ," Mel Gibson shows little interest in
celebrating the electric charge of hope and redemption that Jesus
Christ brought into the world.
<snip>
As a viewer, I am equally free to say that the movie Gibson has made
from his personal obsessions is a sickening death trip, a grimly
unilluminating procession of treachery, beatings, blood, and agony-and
to say so without indulging in "anti-Christian sentiment" (Gibson's
term for what his critics are spreading). For two hours, with only an
occasional pause or gentle flashback, we watch, stupefied, as a
handsome, strapping, at times half-naked young man (James Caviezel) is
slowly tortured to death. Gibson is so thoroughly fixated on the
scourging and crushing of Christ, and so meagrely involved in the
spiritual meanings of the final hours, that he falls in danger of
altering Jesus' message of love into one of hate.
And against whom will the audience direct its hate? As Gibson was
completing the film, some historians, theologians, and clergymen
accused him of emphasizing the discredited charge that it was the
ancient Jews who were primarily responsible for killing Jesus, a claim
that has served as the traditional justification for the persecution
of the Jews in Europe for nearly two millennia. The critics turn out
to have been right. Gibson is guilty of some serious mischief in his
handling of these issues. But he may have also committed an aggression
against Christian believers. The movie has been hailed as a religious
experience by various Catholic and Protestant groups, some of whom,
with an ungodly eye to the commercial realities of film distribution,
have prepurchased blocks of tickets or rented theatres to insure "The
Passion" a healthy opening weekend's business. But how, I wonder, will
people become better Christians if they are filled with the guilt,
anguish, or loathing that this movie may create in their souls?
<snip>
For two hours, with only an occasional pause or gentle flashback, we
watch, stupefied, as a handsome, strapping, at times half-naked young
man (James Caviezel) is slowly tortured to death. Gibson is so
thoroughly fixated on the scourging and crushing of Christ, and so
meagrely involved in the spiritual meanings of the final hours, that
he falls in danger of altering Jesus' message of love into one of
hate.
<snip>
What is most depressing about "The Passion" is the thought that people
will take their children to see it. Jesus said, "Suffer the little
children to come unto me," not "Let the little children watch me
suffer." How will parents deal with the pain, terror, and anger that
children will doubtless feel as they watch a man flayed and pierced
until dead? The despair of the movie is hard to shrug off, and
Gibson's timing couldn't be more unfortunate: another dose of
death-haunted religious fanaticism is the last thing we need.
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25 Feb 2004 09:47:51 PM |
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Ok a lot of yes I am here and you are there.
I have a little test: this movie is just a last call for us to decide. Weeks
ahead are beginning to drive us in the eye of the storm. Everything is
beginning to pop-up. I bet that when things really change someone will
change his mind.
look at quakes and volcanoes. they are the sentinels
"no" <eoe677677oeo@yahoo.com> ha scritto nel messaggio
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"Jake the Pake" <johncon2@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:<Qd0%b.16664$cb.9277@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk>...
There is no god
The extreme atheist position is wrong. So is the extreme religionist's
view.
, and any man or woman that believes that anyone or anything
that can suddenly pop up from nowhere and create heaven and earth in 6
days
needs a good slap across the face to bring them back to reality.
Yeah, that's unreal probably.
Religion
was engineered to control the masses
Engineered yes, but there is some original truth to religion.
and all it has done since then is
create chaos and havoc across the world.
Along with other institutions.
It will be a great day when a UFO
lands in Time Square and the aliens prove once and for all that religion
is
all one big con..
If UFO's are watching, why should they interfere? They would watch us
like we watch ant colonies.
........................
"jha_amin" <jha_amin@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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http://www.newyorker.com/critics/cinema /
NAILED
by DAVID DENBY
Mel Gibson's "The Passion of the Christ."
Issue of 2004-03-01
Posted 2004-02-23
In "The Passion of the Christ," Mel Gibson shows little interest in
celebrating the electric charge of hope and redemption that Jesus
Christ brought into the world.
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As a viewer, I am equally free to say that the movie Gibson has made
from his personal obsessions is a sickening death trip, a grimly
unilluminating procession of treachery, beatings, blood, and agony-and
to say so without indulging in "anti-Christian sentiment" (Gibson's
term for what his critics are spreading). For two hours, with only an
occasional pause or gentle flashback, we watch, stupefied, as a
handsome, strapping, at times half-naked young man (James Caviezel) is
slowly tortured to death. Gibson is so thoroughly fixated on the
scourging and crushing of Christ, and so meagrely involved in the
spiritual meanings of the final hours, that he falls in danger of
altering Jesus' message of love into one of hate.
And against whom will the audience direct its hate? As Gibson was
completing the film, some historians, theologians, and clergymen
accused him of emphasizing the discredited charge that it was the
ancient Jews who were primarily responsible for killing Jesus, a claim
that has served as the traditional justification for the persecution
of the Jews in Europe for nearly two millennia. The critics turn out
to have been right. Gibson is guilty of some serious mischief in his
handling of these issues. But he may have also committed an aggression
against Christian believers. The movie has been hailed as a religious
experience by various Catholic and Protestant groups, some of whom,
with an ungodly eye to the commercial realities of film distribution,
have prepurchased blocks of tickets or rented theatres to insure "The
Passion" a healthy opening weekend's business. But how, I wonder, will
people become better Christians if they are filled with the guilt,
anguish, or loathing that this movie may create in their souls?
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For two hours, with only an occasional pause or gentle flashback, we
watch, stupefied, as a handsome, strapping, at times half-naked young
man (James Caviezel) is slowly tortured to death. Gibson is so
thoroughly fixated on the scourging and crushing of Christ, and so
meagrely involved in the spiritual meanings of the final hours, that
he falls in danger of altering Jesus' message of love into one of
hate.
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What is most depressing about "The Passion" is the thought that people
will take their children to see it. Jesus said, "Suffer the little
children to come unto me," not "Let the little children watch me
suffer." How will parents deal with the pain, terror, and anger that
children will doubtless feel as they watch a man flayed and pierced
until dead? The despair of the movie is hard to shrug off, and
Gibson's timing couldn't be more unfortunate: another dose of
death-haunted religious fanaticism is the last thing we need.
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| User: " John F Lemke" |
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| Title: Re: the passion of christ |
26 Feb 2004 07:13:21 PM |
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"pk" <pikaciu2004@tiscali.it> wrote in message
news:c1jqbq$6sm$1@lacerta.tiscalinet.it...
Ok a lot of yes I am here and you are there.
I have a little test: this movie is just a last call for us to decide.
Weeks
ahead are beginning to drive us in the eye of the storm. Everything is
beginning to pop-up. I bet that when things really change someone will
change his mind.
look at quakes and volcanoes. they are the sentinels
For America..................
Ezekiel 7:25-27 (NLT)
Terror and trembling will overcome my people. They will look for peace
but will not find it. [26] Calamity will follow calamity; rumor will follow
rumor. They will look in vain for a vision from the prophets. They will
receive no teaching from the priests and no counsel from the leaders. [27]
The king and the prince will stand helpless, weeping in despair, and the
people's hands will tremble with fear. I will bring against them the evil
they have done to others, and they will receive the punishment they so
richly deserve. Then they will know that I am the Lord!"
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| User: "Gerald" |
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| Title: Re: the passion of christ |
27 Feb 2004 09:40:17 PM |
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In article <bJadneS6PuAFB6PdRVn-hQ@locallink.net>, John F Lemke says...
"pk" <pikaciu2004@tiscali.it> wrote in message
look at quakes and volcanoes. they are the sentinels
For America..................
Ezekiel 7:25-27 (NLT)
Terror and trembling will overcome my people. They will look for peace
but will not find it. [26] Calamity will follow calamity; rumor will follow
rumor. They will look in vain for a vision from the prophets. They will
receive no teaching from the priests and no counsel from the leaders. [27]
The king and the prince will stand helpless, weeping in despair, and the
people's hands will tremble with fear. I will bring against them the evil
they have done to others, and they will receive the punishment they so
richly deserve. Then they will know that I am the Lord!"
Good post, John. The reference certainly describes America today. I still
haven't seen the Passion of the Christ but plan to later. Many complaints about
it i've read are that Gibson leaves out the pleasant aspects of Christianity.
Talk about missing out on reality vis a vis the condition of man. But there is
not much happy talk in what you quote. As Crumb said, keep on trucking.
Gerald
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