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the pope said: "Show me just what Muhammad brought that was new and there you will find things only evil and inhuman" (Stressing the words were the emperors and not his own) |
Opening a dialog with Islam is not easy... but necessary.
J.
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/5349142.stm
Friday, 15 September 2006, 12:53 GMT 13:53 UK
Call for clarity over Pope speech
The Muslim Council of Britain (MCB) has called on Pope Benedict XVI to
"urgently clarify" comments made during a speech about the concept of holy
war.
The Pope, on a visit to Germany, quoted a 14th Century Christian emperor who
said Prophet Muhammad had brought the world only "evil and inhuman" things.
The MCB said the Pope had caused "dismay and hurt" to Muslims and asked for
clarification "without delay".
The Vatican said the Pope had not meant to offend Muslims.
His comments have been criticised by Muslim leaders from across the world.
The pontiff delivered his speech - which explored the differences between
Islam and Christianity, and the relationship between violence and faith - at
Regensburg University.
In it, he quoted Emperor Manual II Paleologos of the Byzantine Empire, the
Orthodox Christian empire which had its capital in what is now the Turkish
city of Istanbul.
Stressing the words were the emperors and not his own he said: "Show me just
what Muhammad brought that was new and there you will find things only evil
and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he
preached."
MCB secretary general Mohammed Abdul Bari said the emperor's views about
Islam were "ill informed" and "frankly bigoted".
"One would expect a religious leader such as the Pope to act and speak with
responsibility and repudiate the Byzantine emperor's views in the interests
of truth and harmonious relations between the followers of Islam and
Catholicism," he said.
"Regrettably, the Pope did not do so and this has understandably caused a
lot of dismay and hurt throughout the Muslim world."
'Confrontational style'
The British Muslim News newspaper has called for the Pope to apologise and
"withdraw the insulting remarks".
"His approach to Islam and Muslims is not conducive to interfaith dialogue
and the respect of other religions," editor Ahmed Versi said.
"It seems he prefers confrontational style of dialogue with Muslims."
Former Archbishop of Canterbury Lord Carey, meanwhile, said it should not be
assumed the quoted words of the emperor represented "the Pope's beliefs
about Islam today".
"But Muslims as well as Christians must learn to enter into dialogue without
crying 'foul'," he added.
"We live in perilous times and we must not only separate religion from
violence but also not give religious legitimacy to violence in any shape or
form."
In a statement, chief Vatican spokesman Federico Lombardi defended the Pope
saying he had not intended to "offend the sensibility of Muslim believers".
"It is clear that the Holy Father's intention is to cultivate a position of
respect and dialogue towards other religions and cultures, and that clearly
includes Islam," the statement added.
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15 Sep 2006 03:04:54 PM |
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On Fri, 15 Sep 2006 15:25:54 GMT, "Jean Guernon"
<jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote:
Opening a dialog with Islam is not easy... but necessary.
Only an idiot would think insulting Muhammad/Islam is going to 'open'
a dialog. Benedict now will never have any credibility in the eyes of
any Muslim. He dug a nail for himself (I doubt he can even visit a
Muslim country now).
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060915/ap_on_re_mi_ea/pope_muslims
"Benedict .. is going down in history in the same category as leaders
such as Hitler and Mussolini" says Salih Kapusuz, deputy leader of
Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan.
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15 Sep 2006 05:44:40 PM |
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"RD" <fdgljhj@hotmails.com> wrote in message news:ve1mg2dc2cf8mvbd8a7s7tdvkb09jr916n@4ax.com...
On Fri, 15 Sep 2006 15:25:54 GMT, "Jean Guernon"
<jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote:
Opening a dialog with Islam is not easy... but necessary.
Only an idiot would think insulting Muhammad/Islam is going to 'open'
a dialog. Benedict now will never have any credibility in the eyes of
any Muslim. He dug a nail for himself (I doubt he can even visit a
Muslim country now).
How can someone be insulted with the truth. Mohammad was a power hungry loon..
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060915/ap_on_re_mi_ea/pope_muslims
"Benedict .. is going down in history in the same category as leaders
such as Hitler and Mussolini" says Salih Kapusuz, deputy leader of
Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan.
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After Much Chewing of Cud and Cogitation, "dreamwalker"
<backfromthe@dead.com> Spat the Words
"RD" <fdgljhj@hotmails.com> wrote in message
news:ve1mg2dc2cf8mvbd8a7s7tdvkb09jr916n@4ax.com...
On Fri, 15 Sep 2006 15:25:54 GMT, "Jean Guernon"
<jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote:
Opening a dialog with Islam is not easy... but necessary.
Only an idiot would think insulting Muhammad/Islam is going to 'open'
a dialog. Benedict now will never have any credibility in the eyes of
any Muslim. He dug a nail for himself (I doubt he can even visit a
Muslim country now).
How can someone be insulted with the truth. Mohammad was a power hungry
loon..
So is George Bush. Does that insult you ??
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060915/ap_on_re_mi_ea/pope_muslims
"Benedict .. is going down in history in the same category as leaders
such as Hitler and Mussolini" says Salih Kapusuz, deputy leader of
Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan.
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"Perseid" <eidpers@anti-spam.comcast.net> wrote in message
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After Much Chewing of Cud and Cogitation, "dreamwalker"
<backfromthe@dead.com> Spat the Words
"RD" <fdgljhj@hotmails.com> wrote in message
news:ve1mg2dc2cf8mvbd8a7s7tdvkb09jr916n@4ax.com...
On Fri, 15 Sep 2006 15:25:54 GMT, "Jean Guernon"
<jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote:
Opening a dialog with Islam is not easy... but necessary.
Only an idiot would think insulting Muhammad/Islam is going to 'open'
a dialog. Benedict now will never have any credibility in the eyes of
any Muslim. He dug a nail for himself (I doubt he can even visit a
Muslim country now).
How can someone be insulted with the truth. Mohammad was a power hungry
loon..
So is George Bush. Does that insult you ??
Not at all. I know which guy wants my head on a stick. Also know the guy who's trying to keep it off
the stick.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060915/ap_on_re_mi_ea/pope_muslims
"Benedict .. is going down in history in the same category as leaders
such as Hitler and Mussolini" says Salih Kapusuz, deputy leader of
Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan.
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15 Sep 2006 09:04:56 PM |
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On Fri, 15 Sep 2006 20:59:21 -0500, dreamwalker wrote:
"Perseid" <eidpers@anti-spam.comcast.net> wrote in message
news:Xns983FC2654AA6Drrfkwrantispamattbic@216.196.97.136...
After Much Chewing of Cud and Cogitation, "dreamwalker"
<backfromthe@dead.com> Spat the Words
"RD" <fdgljhj@hotmails.com> wrote in message
news:ve1mg2dc2cf8mvbd8a7s7tdvkb09jr916n@4ax.com...
On Fri, 15 Sep 2006 15:25:54 GMT, "Jean Guernon"
<jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote:
Opening a dialog with Islam is not easy... but necessary.
Only an idiot would think insulting Muhammad/Islam is going to 'open'
a dialog. Benedict now will never have any credibility in the eyes of
any Muslim. He dug a nail for himself (I doubt he can even visit a
Muslim country now).
How can someone be insulted with the truth. Mohammad was a power hungry
loon..
So is George Bush. Does that insult you ??
Not at all. I know which guy wants my head on a stick. Also know the guy who's trying to keep it off
the stick.
Mohammed is dead, you know. I don't think he's interested in your head,
stuck or otherwise. Now, his wahabist, fundie, nutcase followers ...
there's a different story.
Woods
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15 Sep 2006 09:22:21 PM |
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"Woodswun" <woodswun@tepidmail.com> wrote in message
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On Fri, 15 Sep 2006 20:59:21 -0500, dreamwalker wrote:
"Perseid" <eidpers@anti-spam.comcast.net> wrote in message
news:Xns983FC2654AA6Drrfkwrantispamattbic@216.196.97.136...
After Much Chewing of Cud and Cogitation, "dreamwalker"
<backfromthe@dead.com> Spat the Words
"RD" <fdgljhj@hotmails.com> wrote in message
news:ve1mg2dc2cf8mvbd8a7s7tdvkb09jr916n@4ax.com...
On Fri, 15 Sep 2006 15:25:54 GMT, "Jean Guernon"
<jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote:
Opening a dialog with Islam is not easy... but necessary.
Only an idiot would think insulting Muhammad/Islam is going to 'open'
a dialog. Benedict now will never have any credibility in the eyes of
any Muslim. He dug a nail for himself (I doubt he can even visit a
Muslim country now).
How can someone be insulted with the truth. Mohammad was a power hungry
loon..
So is George Bush. Does that insult you ??
Not at all. I know which guy wants my head on a stick. Also know the guy who's trying to keep it
off
the stick.
Mohammed is dead, you know. I don't think he's interested in your head,
stuck or otherwise. Now, his wahabist, fundie, nutcase followers ...
there's a different story.
Woods
Just his nutcase followers? Name one Muslim who rejects the attrocities of Mohammad. He was a
bloodtirsty ***** who slaughtered and butchered his way to the top. Islam is based upon a
pack of lies. Teachings of an evil lunatic who spread his terrible message through fear and murder.
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15 Sep 2006 09:34:10 PM |
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"dreamwalker" <backfromthe@dead.com> wrote in message
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an evil lunatic who spread his terrible message through fear and murder.
Sounds like some recent messages given in this country.
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15 Sep 2006 10:14:33 PM |
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"John Lemke" <jflemke@locallink.net> wrote in message
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"dreamwalker" <backfromthe@dead.com> wrote in message
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an evil lunatic who spread his terrible message through fear and murder.
Sounds like some recent messages given in this country.
I'd expect nothing more from you, John.
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15 Sep 2006 09:37:08 PM |
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On Fri, 15 Sep 2006 21:22:21 -0500, dreamwalker wrote:
"Woodswun" <woodswun@tepidmail.com> wrote in message
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On Fri, 15 Sep 2006 20:59:21 -0500, dreamwalker wrote:
"Perseid" <eidpers@anti-spam.comcast.net> wrote in message
news:Xns983FC2654AA6Drrfkwrantispamattbic@216.196.97.136...
After Much Chewing of Cud and Cogitation, "dreamwalker"
<backfromthe@dead.com> Spat the Words
"RD" <fdgljhj@hotmails.com> wrote in message
news:ve1mg2dc2cf8mvbd8a7s7tdvkb09jr916n@4ax.com...
On Fri, 15 Sep 2006 15:25:54 GMT, "Jean Guernon"
<jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote:
Opening a dialog with Islam is not easy... but necessary.
Only an idiot would think insulting Muhammad/Islam is going to 'open'
a dialog. Benedict now will never have any credibility in the eyes of
any Muslim. He dug a nail for himself (I doubt he can even visit a
Muslim country now).
How can someone be insulted with the truth. Mohammad was a power hungry
loon..
So is George Bush. Does that insult you ??
Not at all. I know which guy wants my head on a stick. Also know the guy who's trying to keep it
off
the stick.
Mohammed is dead, you know. I don't think he's interested in your head,
stuck or otherwise. Now, his wahabist, fundie, nutcase followers ...
there's a different story.
Woods
Just his nutcase followers? Name one Muslim who rejects the attrocities of Mohammad. He was a
bloodtirsty ***** who slaughtered and butchered his way to the top. Islam is based upon a
pack of lies. Teachings of an evil lunatic who spread his terrible message through fear and murder.
What atrocities did Mohammed commit?
Woods
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15 Sep 2006 10:13:22 PM |
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"Woodswun" <woodswun@tepidmail.com> wrote in message
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On Fri, 15 Sep 2006 21:22:21 -0500, dreamwalker wrote:
"Woodswun" <woodswun@tepidmail.com> wrote in message
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On Fri, 15 Sep 2006 20:59:21 -0500, dreamwalker wrote:
"Perseid" <eidpers@anti-spam.comcast.net> wrote in message
news:Xns983FC2654AA6Drrfkwrantispamattbic@216.196.97.136...
After Much Chewing of Cud and Cogitation, "dreamwalker"
<backfromthe@dead.com> Spat the Words
"RD" <fdgljhj@hotmails.com> wrote in message
news:ve1mg2dc2cf8mvbd8a7s7tdvkb09jr916n@4ax.com...
On Fri, 15 Sep 2006 15:25:54 GMT, "Jean Guernon"
<jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote:
Opening a dialog with Islam is not easy... but necessary.
Only an idiot would think insulting Muhammad/Islam is going to 'open'
a dialog. Benedict now will never have any credibility in the eyes of
any Muslim. He dug a nail for himself (I doubt he can even visit a
Muslim country now).
How can someone be insulted with the truth. Mohammad was a power hungry
loon..
So is George Bush. Does that insult you ??
Not at all. I know which guy wants my head on a stick. Also know the guy who's trying to keep
it
off
the stick.
Mohammed is dead, you know. I don't think he's interested in your head,
stuck or otherwise. Now, his wahabist, fundie, nutcase followers ...
there's a different story.
Woods
Just his nutcase followers? Name one Muslim who rejects the attrocities of Mohammad. He was a
bloodtirsty ***** who slaughtered and butchered his way to the top. Islam is based upon
a
pack of lies. Teachings of an evil lunatic who spread his terrible message through fear and
murder.
What atrocities did Mohammed commit?
Woods
Read about the Battle of Khybar in 620AD. Sums it up pretty good.
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16 Sep 2006 06:13:17 AM |
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On Fri, 15 Sep 2006 22:13:22 -0500, dreamwalker wrote:
"Woodswun" <woodswun@tepidmail.com> wrote in message
news:pan.2006.09.16.02.37.06.487997@tepidmail.com...
On Fri, 15 Sep 2006 21:22:21 -0500, dreamwalker wrote:
"Woodswun" <woodswun@tepidmail.com> wrote in message
news:pan.2006.09.16.02.04.54.749794@tepidmail.com...
On Fri, 15 Sep 2006 20:59:21 -0500, dreamwalker wrote:
"Perseid" <eidpers@anti-spam.comcast.net> wrote in message
news:Xns983FC2654AA6Drrfkwrantispamattbic@216.196.97.136...
After Much Chewing of Cud and Cogitation, "dreamwalker"
<backfromthe@dead.com> Spat the Words
"RD" <fdgljhj@hotmails.com> wrote in message
news:ve1mg2dc2cf8mvbd8a7s7tdvkb09jr916n@4ax.com...
On Fri, 15 Sep 2006 15:25:54 GMT, "Jean Guernon"
<jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote:
Opening a dialog with Islam is not easy... but necessary.
Only an idiot would think insulting Muhammad/Islam is going to 'open'
a dialog. Benedict now will never have any credibility in the eyes of
any Muslim. He dug a nail for himself (I doubt he can even visit a
Muslim country now).
How can someone be insulted with the truth. Mohammad was a power hungry
loon..
So is George Bush. Does that insult you ??
Not at all. I know which guy wants my head on a stick. Also know the guy who's trying to keep
it
off
the stick.
Mohammed is dead, you know. I don't think he's interested in your head,
stuck or otherwise. Now, his wahabist, fundie, nutcase followers ...
there's a different story.
Woods
Just his nutcase followers? Name one Muslim who rejects the attrocities of Mohammad. He was a
bloodtirsty ***** who slaughtered and butchered his way to the top. Islam is based upon
a
pack of lies. Teachings of an evil lunatic who spread his terrible message through fear and
murder.
What atrocities did Mohammed commit?
Woods
Read about the Battle of Khybar in 620AD. Sums it up pretty good.
Okay, thanks. I'll have to look at that a little later today or this
evening.
Woods
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15 Sep 2006 11:43:11 PM |
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On Fri, 15 Sep 2006 17:44:40 -0500, "dreamwalker"
<backfromthe@dead.com> wrote:
How can someone be insulted with the truth. Mohammad was a power hungry loon..
That's an opinion of anti-Islamic bigots rejected by Muslims. Most
secular atheists believe the Bible is absurd racist barbaric book. If
you tell that to Christians (or Pope), he will be insulted. Similarly,
it doesn't matter what you think about Mohammad. There is no chance in
the world this pope will ever be able to communicate with Muslims
again (let alone start a 'dialog.')
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That's an opinion of anti-Islamic bigots rejected by Muslims. Most
secular atheists believe the Bible is absurd racist barbaric book. If
you tell that to Christians (or Pope), he will be insulted.
Insulted is one thing. Killing people over cartoons is a tad bit on the pathological side of life
don't you think?
Similarly, it doesn't matter what you think about Mohammad.
Too bad the Islamic fruit loops can't adopted that attitude.
There is no chance in
the world this pope will ever be able to communicate with Muslims
again (let alone start a 'dialog.')
At least not an honest dialog which addresses the true evil and destructive nature of Mohammad. In
my experiance, Muslins are poor "foregivers".
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16 Sep 2006 12:28:34 AM |
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This final declairation of the 'seperation' of the True Christian Faith
(The Righteous) from all none Christians has been the "final straw"
that the Evanguelists have been waiting for (for decades). - Don't deny
them their false prophecies NOW !!!
At least not right away.
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