The Pseudoscience of Intelligent Design Kuro5hin.org
May 2, 2005
The Dover, Pennsylvania school board recently adopted a policy requiring
that
high school science teachers teaching evolution tell their students that
evolutionary theory, a theory that has been shown to explain the origins of
life time and time again, is flawed, and that intelligent design is a valid
alternative. The ACLU (American Civil Liberties Union), along with the AUSCS
(Americans United for the Separation of Church and State), and 11 parents,
are
suing the school board, accusing the board of violating the separation of
church and state (Banerjee A16). They are quite right. The sole purpose of
"Intelligent Design" is to make creationism look like a scientifically
credible
theory, so that it can be perpetuated in public schools, among other places.
Intelligent Design, however, is not supported by scientific evidence, and is
invalid as a scientific theory.
To understand the problems with Intelligent Design, first it is important to
understand the theory it is attempting to oppose, evolution by natural
selection. The theory is this: If organisms reproduce, offspring inherit
traits
from their progenitor(s), a variability of traits exists, and the
environment
cannot sustain all the members of an increasingly large population, then
those
members of the population that have poorly-adapted traits (to their
environment) will die out, and those with well-adapted traits (to their
environment) will prosper (Darwin 459). Over a long period of time, this
process leads to extreme complexity, and adaptedness.
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Read it at http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2005/4/27/03541/2520
Also being debated on Slashdot at
http://science.slashdot.org/science/05/05/02/1059247.shtml?tid=146&tid=191&t
id=14
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Marburg outbreak claims 253 lives in Angola
What's your point, bitchtits? Do you think it was weaponised Marburg
manufactured by Saddam from his gaol cell?
''gaol cell?''
That is not a typo :)
Nope, it's the correct spelling. As you might have known if your brainstem
had developed into an actual brain.
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=gaol
You just slammed me as a illiterate - lol.
...and you just confirmed it, you braindead fucking fool. Thanks!
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03 May 2005 05:23:31 PM |
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tw wrote:
The Pseudoscience of Intelligent Design Kuro5hin.org
May 2, 2005
The Dover, Pennsylvania school board recently adopted a policy requiring
that
high school science teachers teaching evolution tell their students that
evolutionary theory, a theory that has been shown to explain the origins of
life time and time again, is flawed,
How is it flawed? I'm not aware of anything found to contradict it,
unlike Einstein's theory of relativity, which doesn't hold in certain
situations.
Sounds like yet another case of rules being made by those who don't
understand what it is they're making the rules about.
Woods
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tw wrote:
The Pseudoscience of Intelligent Design Kuro5hin.org
May 2, 2005
The Dover, Pennsylvania school board recently adopted a policy requiring
that
high school science teachers teaching evolution tell their students that
evolutionary theory, a theory that has been shown to explain the origins
of
life time and time again, is flawed,
How is it flawed?
The "Intelligent Design" lot apparently couldn't say...
I'm not aware of anything found to contradict it,
Indeed. Douglas seems to have a few ideas, but they don't stand up to
serious examination.
unlike Einstein's theory of relativity, which doesn't hold in certain
situations.
Sounds like yet another case of rules being made by those who don't
understand what it is they're making the rules about.
Isn't taht always the case when the uber-religious get involved in ANYTHING
outside religion At least they didn't try to prove Darwin was teh devil by
converting his name to ASCII and adding bits of itup, I suppose.
Woods
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04 May 2005 03:45:36 PM |
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"Woodswun" <woodswun@tepidmail.com> wrote in message
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tw wrote:
The Pseudoscience of Intelligent Design Kuro5hin.org
May 2, 2005
The Dover, Pennsylvania school board recently adopted a policy requiring
that
high school science teachers teaching evolution tell their students that
evolutionary theory, a theory that has been shown to explain the origins
of
life time and time again, is flawed,
How is it flawed?
The "Intelligent Design" lot apparently couldn't say...
I'm not aware of anything found to contradict it,
Indeed. Douglas seems to have a few ideas, but they don't stand up to
serious examination.
unlike Einstein's theory of relativity, which doesn't hold in certain
situations.
Sounds like yet another case of rules being made by those who don't
understand what it is they're making the rules about.
Isn't taht always the case when the uber-religious get involved in ANYTHING
outside religion At least they didn't try to prove Darwin was teh devil by
converting his name to ASCII and adding bits of itup, I suppose.
Geez, don't give them any ideas!!! 0-0
Woods
Woods
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03 May 2005 07:29:12 PM |
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Woodswun wrote:
tw wrote:
The Pseudoscience of Intelligent Design Kuro5hin.org
May 2, 2005
The Dover, Pennsylvania school board recently adopted a policy requiring
that
high school science teachers teaching evolution tell their students that
evolutionary theory, a theory that has been shown to explain the
origins of
life time and time again, is flawed,
How is it flawed? I'm not aware of anything found to contradict it,
unlike Einstein's theory of relativity, which doesn't hold in certain
situations.
Sounds like yet another case of rules being made by those who don't
understand what it is they're making the rules about.
I used to have a teacher in high school who thought us about Darwin and
the theory of evolution. He would always add that perhaps Darwin's
ancestor's were monkeys, but he's quite sure that his ancestors were all
human.
Stat.
Woods
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03 May 2005 09:08:41 PM |
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MonsieurStat wrote:
Woodswun wrote:
tw wrote:
The Pseudoscience of Intelligent Design Kuro5hin.org
May 2, 2005
The Dover, Pennsylvania school board recently adopted a policy requiring
that
high school science teachers teaching evolution tell their students that
evolutionary theory, a theory that has been shown to explain the
origins of
life time and time again, is flawed,
How is it flawed? I'm not aware of anything found to contradict it,
unlike Einstein's theory of relativity, which doesn't hold in certain
situations.
Sounds like yet another case of rules being made by those who don't
understand what it is they're making the rules about.
I used to have a teacher in high school who thought us about Darwin and
the theory of evolution. He would always add that perhaps Darwin's
ancestor's were monkeys, but he's quite sure that his ancestors were all
human.
Stat.
Sheesh. 9_9
I really hate school districts hiring incompetent teachers, as yours
obviously was, since s/he obviously didn't understand the theory of
evolution a bit.
Woods
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MonsieurStat wrote:
Woodswun wrote:
tw wrote:
The Pseudoscience of Intelligent Design Kuro5hin.org
May 2, 2005
The Dover, Pennsylvania school board recently adopted a policy
requiring
that
high school science teachers teaching evolution tell their students
that
evolutionary theory, a theory that has been shown to explain the
origins of
life time and time again, is flawed,
How is it flawed? I'm not aware of anything found to contradict it,
unlike Einstein's theory of relativity, which doesn't hold in certain
situations.
Sounds like yet another case of rules being made by those who don't
understand what it is they're making the rules about.
I used to have a teacher in high school who thought us about Darwin and
the theory of evolution. He would always add that perhaps Darwin's
ancestor's were monkeys, but he's quite sure that his ancestors were all
human.
Stat.
Sheesh. 9_9
I really hate school districts hiring incompetent teachers, as yours
obviously was, since s/he obviously didn't understand the theory of
evolution a bit.
Woods
Stat is from Iran, don't forget. No doubt his teacher was heavily
influenced by religion. I had an otherwise intelligent Muslim from Pakistan
tell me that, in his opinion, dinosaurs never existed because they are not
mentioned in the Koran. He told me that people made them up to make money.
I told him that, with the exception of Hollywood types like Steven
Speilberg, no one ever got rich because of dinosaurs! In fact, the idea of
tediously cleaning off fossils at a hot, dusty dig does not sound to
appealing to me!
Jane
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04 May 2005 03:01:15 AM |
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"Jane" <pushlinque@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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MonsieurStat wrote:
Woodswun wrote:
tw wrote:
The Pseudoscience of Intelligent Design Kuro5hin.org
May 2, 2005
The Dover, Pennsylvania school board recently adopted a policy
requiring
that
high school science teachers teaching evolution tell their students
that
evolutionary theory, a theory that has been shown to explain the
origins of
life time and time again, is flawed,
How is it flawed? I'm not aware of anything found to contradict it,
unlike Einstein's theory of relativity, which doesn't hold in certain
situations.
Sounds like yet another case of rules being made by those who don't
understand what it is they're making the rules about.
I used to have a teacher in high school who thought us about Darwin and
the theory of evolution. He would always add that perhaps Darwin's
ancestor's were monkeys, but he's quite sure that his ancestors were
all
human.
Stat.
Sheesh. 9_9
I really hate school districts hiring incompetent teachers, as yours
obviously was, since s/he obviously didn't understand the theory of
evolution a bit.
Woods
Stat is from Iran, don't forget. No doubt his teacher was heavily
influenced by religion.
No doubt Stat was pulling your leg. And as the artciel show, you're just as
likely to get taugh this ***** in Pennsylvania as you are in Pakistan.
I had an otherwise intelligent Muslim from Pakistan
tell me that, in his opinion, dinosaurs never existed because they are not
mentioned in the Koran.
...and you can find PLENTY of American (and other nationality) Christians who
believe the same thing. But don't let that stop you having your daily swipe
at Islam
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04 May 2005 09:09:32 AM |
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MonsieurStat wrote:
Woodswun wrote:
tw wrote:
The Pseudoscience of Intelligent Design Kuro5hin.org
May 2, 2005
The Dover, Pennsylvania school board recently adopted a policy
requiring
that
high school science teachers teaching evolution tell their students
that
evolutionary theory, a theory that has been shown to explain the
origins of
life time and time again, is flawed,
How is it flawed? I'm not aware of anything found to contradict it,
unlike Einstein's theory of relativity, which doesn't hold in certain
situations.
Sounds like yet another case of rules being made by those who don't
understand what it is they're making the rules about.
I used to have a teacher in high school who thought us about Darwin
and
the theory of evolution. He would always add that perhaps Darwin's
ancestor's were monkeys, but he's quite sure that his ancestors were
all
human.
Stat.
Sheesh. 9_9
I really hate school districts hiring incompetent teachers, as yours
obviously was, since s/he obviously didn't understand the theory of
evolution a bit.
Woods
Stat is from Iran, don't forget. No doubt his teacher was heavily
influenced by religion.
No doubt Stat was pulling your leg. And as the artciel show, you're just
as
likely to get taugh this ***** in Pennsylvania as you are in Pakistan
Stat often pulls my leg...but in this case, he was answering Woods.
I had an otherwise intelligent Muslim from Pakistan
tell me that, in his opinion, dinosaurs never existed because they are
not
mentioned in the Koran.
..and you can find PLENTY of American (and other nationality) Christians
who
believe the same thing. But don't let that stop you having your daily
swipe
at Islam
Nah, fundementalist Christians tend to believe that man lived at the same
time as dinosaurs, since the earth is only 6000 or so years old. Just as
ludicrous indeed.
My point was not to get in a "daily swipe" at Islam!
Jane
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04 May 2005 03:44:18 PM |
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Jane wrote:
"Woodswun" <woodswun@tepidmail.com> wrote in message
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MonsieurStat wrote:
Woodswun wrote:
tw wrote:
The Pseudoscience of Intelligent Design Kuro5hin.org
May 2, 2005
The Dover, Pennsylvania school board recently adopted a policy
requiring
that
high school science teachers teaching evolution tell their students
that
evolutionary theory, a theory that has been shown to explain the
origins of
life time and time again, is flawed,
How is it flawed? I'm not aware of anything found to contradict it,
unlike Einstein's theory of relativity, which doesn't hold in certain
situations.
Sounds like yet another case of rules being made by those who don't
understand what it is they're making the rules about.
I used to have a teacher in high school who thought us about Darwin and
the theory of evolution. He would always add that perhaps Darwin's
ancestor's were monkeys, but he's quite sure that his ancestors were all
human.
Stat.
Sheesh. 9_9
I really hate school districts hiring incompetent teachers, as yours
obviously was, since s/he obviously didn't understand the theory of
evolution a bit.
Woods
Stat is from Iran, don't forget. No doubt his teacher was heavily
influenced by religion.
Not necessarily. I think that under the Shah, the schools were secular.
I had an otherwise intelligent Muslim from Pakistan
tell me that, in his opinion, dinosaurs never existed because they are not
mentioned in the Koran. He told me that people made them up to make money.
I told him that, with the exception of Hollywood types like Steven
Speilberg, no one ever got rich because of dinosaurs! In fact, the idea of
tediously cleaning off fossils at a hot, dusty dig does not sound to
appealing to me!
Sounds a whole lot better than sitting at a computer all day.
Woods
Jane
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04 May 2005 10:23:24 PM |
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"Woodswun" <woodswun@tepidmail.com> wrote in message
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Jane wrote:
"Woodswun" <woodswun@tepidmail.com> wrote in message
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MonsieurStat wrote:
Woodswun wrote:
tw wrote:
The Pseudoscience of Intelligent Design Kuro5hin.org
May 2, 2005
The Dover, Pennsylvania school board recently adopted a policy
requiring
that
high school science teachers teaching evolution tell their students
that
evolutionary theory, a theory that has been shown to explain the
origins of
life time and time again, is flawed,
How is it flawed? I'm not aware of anything found to contradict it,
unlike Einstein's theory of relativity, which doesn't hold in certain
situations.
Sounds like yet another case of rules being made by those who don't
understand what it is they're making the rules about.
I used to have a teacher in high school who thought us about Darwin and
the theory of evolution. He would always add that perhaps Darwin's
ancestor's were monkeys, but he's quite sure that his ancestors were all
human.
Stat.
Sheesh. 9_9
I really hate school districts hiring incompetent teachers, as yours
obviously was, since s/he obviously didn't understand the theory of
evolution a bit.
Woods
Stat is from Iran, don't forget. No doubt his teacher was heavily
influenced by religion.
Not necessarily. I think that under the Shah, the schools were secular.
Probably...but the teacher was no doubt Muslim and quite possibly had a
religious background.
I had an otherwise intelligent Muslim from Pakistan
tell me that, in his opinion, dinosaurs never existed because they are
not mentioned in the Koran. He told me that people made them up to make
money. I told him that, with the exception of Hollywood types like Steven
Speilberg, no one ever got rich because of dinosaurs! In fact, the idea
of tediously cleaning off fossils at a hot, dusty dig does not sound to
appealing to me!
Sounds a whole lot better than sitting at a computer all day.
Well, this is true. I guess the operation just looks too delicate for the
likes of me (at least these days...I once dissected a spider, but I'd be a
clumsy oaf at it now with my ruined hands!)
Jane
Woods
Jane
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05 May 2005 01:19:28 AM |
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Woodswun wrote:
Jane wrote:
"Woodswun" <woodswun@tepidmail.com> wrote in message
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MonsieurStat wrote:
Woodswun wrote:
tw wrote:
The Pseudoscience of Intelligent Design Kuro5hin.org
May 2, 2005
The Dover, Pennsylvania school board recently adopted a policy
requiring
that
high school science teachers teaching evolution tell their
students that
evolutionary theory, a theory that has been shown to explain the
origins of
life time and time again, is flawed,
How is it flawed? I'm not aware of anything found to contradict
it, unlike Einstein's theory of relativity, which doesn't hold in
certain situations.
Sounds like yet another case of rules being made by those who don't
understand what it is they're making the rules about.
I used to have a teacher in high school who thought us about Darwin
and the theory of evolution. He would always add that perhaps
Darwin's ancestor's were monkeys, but he's quite sure that his
ancestors were all human.
Stat.
Sheesh. 9_9
I really hate school districts hiring incompetent teachers, as yours
obviously was, since s/he obviously didn't understand the theory of
evolution a bit.
Woods
Stat is from Iran, don't forget. No doubt his teacher was heavily
influenced by religion.
Not necessarily. I think that under the Shah, the schools were secular.
Actually, you're both right.
Schools were mostly secular. The one I went to, theology was one of the
12 or 14 subjects we took each year. They were mostly fairly pleasant
courses. Not much homework. Just some reading before exams and
memorizing some stuff here and there. Looking back, I think it was one
of the more useful subjects I took. It didn't make me a devout Muslim or
a particularly religious person. But allowed me to get a peek into
religious thought from differing points of view. We had a different
teacher each year who more or less followed his or her own outlook and
approach to religion. Some very progressive, others quite radical, and
everything in between. I can tell you a ton of funny and strange stories
about those days.
But the Darwin story was not related to these classes. It was I think a
course in world history. The teacher was somehow a religious man, but he
didn't teach theology.
He was particularly proud of Eastern civilizations, and the monkey
comment was a humorous reference back to earlier lessons comparing the
state of the world in the East and the West, say between the years
1500BC to 1500AD. He pretended (jokingy) that he could fully understand
and agree with Darwin's findings and conclusions, as long as we apply
them to Darwin himself and Westerners in general, but found them quite
irrelevant for himself and other Easterners... At the time (and still
today) I get a chuckle when I think of that comment. I guess you have to
be Iranian to see the humor in this ;-)
Stat.
I had an otherwise intelligent Muslim from Pakistan
tell me that, in his opinion, dinosaurs never existed because they are
not mentioned in the Koran. He told me that people made them up to
make money. I told him that, with the exception of Hollywood types
like Steven Speilberg, no one ever got rich because of dinosaurs! In
fact, the idea of tediously cleaning off fossils at a hot, dusty dig
does not sound to appealing to me!
Sounds a whole lot better than sitting at a computer all day.
Woods
Jane
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05 May 2005 04:01:24 AM |
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MonsieurStat wrote:
He was particularly proud of Eastern civilizations, and the monkey
comment was a humorous reference back to earlier lessons comparing the
state of the world in the East and the West, say between the years
1500BC to 1500AD. He pretended (jokingy) that he could fully understand
and agree with Darwin's findings and conclusions, as long as we apply
them to Darwin himself and Westerners in general, but found them quite
irrelevant for himself and other Easterners... At the time (and still
today) I get a chuckle when I think of that comment. I guess you have to
be Iranian to see the humor in this ;-)
Given the relative levels of civilisation in Parthia v (say) what is now
the US or UK at the time one can see his point.
Actually I'd probably have to say that the region has been continuously
civilised since at least that time, unlike some other places I can think
of...
The CO
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05 May 2005 05:38:09 PM |
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MonsieurStat wrote:
Woodswun wrote:
Jane wrote:
"Woodswun" <woodswun@tepidmail.com> wrote in message
news:J8Wde.4580$eU.4052@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
MonsieurStat wrote:
Woodswun wrote:
tw wrote:
The Pseudoscience of Intelligent Design Kuro5hin.org
May 2, 2005
The Dover, Pennsylvania school board recently adopted a policy
requiring
that
high school science teachers teaching evolution tell their
students that
evolutionary theory, a theory that has been shown to explain the
origins of
life time and time again, is flawed,
How is it flawed? I'm not aware of anything found to contradict
it, unlike Einstein's theory of relativity, which doesn't hold in
certain situations.
Sounds like yet another case of rules being made by those who
don't understand what it is they're making the rules about.
I used to have a teacher in high school who thought us about Darwin
and the theory of evolution. He would always add that perhaps
Darwin's ancestor's were monkeys, but he's quite sure that his
ancestors were all human.
Stat.
Sheesh. 9_9
I really hate school districts hiring incompetent teachers, as yours
obviously was, since s/he obviously didn't understand the theory of
evolution a bit.
Woods
Stat is from Iran, don't forget. No doubt his teacher was heavily
influenced by religion.
Not necessarily. I think that under the Shah, the schools were secular.
Actually, you're both right.
Schools were mostly secular. The one I went to, theology was one of the
12 or 14 subjects we took each year. They were mostly fairly pleasant
courses. Not much homework. Just some reading before exams and
memorizing some stuff here and there. Looking back, I think it was one
of the more useful subjects I took. It didn't make me a devout Muslim or
a particularly religious person. But allowed me to get a peek into
religious thought from differing points of view. We had a different
teacher each year who more or less followed his or her own outlook and
approach to religion. Some very progressive, others quite radical, and
everything in between. I can tell you a ton of funny and strange stories
about those days.
But the Darwin story was not related to these classes. It was I think a
course in world history. The teacher was somehow a religious man, but he
didn't teach theology.
He was particularly proud of Eastern civilizations, and the monkey
comment was a humorous reference back to earlier lessons comparing the
state of the world in the East and the West, say between the years
1500BC to 1500AD. He pretended (jokingy) that he could fully understand
and agree with Darwin's findings and conclusions, as long as we apply
them to Darwin himself and Westerners in general, but found them quite
irrelevant for himself and other Easterners... At the time (and still
today) I get a chuckle when I think of that comment. I guess you have to
be Iranian to see the humor in this ;-)
Stat.
Ah, well - why didn't you say it was a joke! That's a whole 'nother
thing, entirely!
=-)
Woods
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Nopers !!!!!!
Dinosaurs were real allright !!!!
They died out some 65 million years ago, but
their modern day descendents still thrive !!!
Birds, Alligators, Crocodiles & Lizards !!!!
Very tasty !!!!
HOOROO ;-)
UNCLE WALLY ;-)
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