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08 Sep 2005 04:35:01 PM |
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dreamwalker wrote:
The Fox News Channel's Major Garrett was just on my show extending the story he had just reported on Brit Hume's show: The Red Cross is confirming to Garrett that it had prepositioned water, food, blankets and hygiene products for delivery to the Superdome and the Convention Center in the immediate aftermath of the hurricane, but were blocked from delivering those supplies by orders of the Louisiana state government, which did not want to attract people to the Superdome and/or Convention Center. Garrett has no paper trail yet, but will follow up on his verbal confirmation from sources at the highest levels of the Red Cross.
The transcript of the interview will be available at Radioblogger later this afternoon.
Interesting that now the RC is claiming it was state personnel, but on
Sept 3 they were claiming it was FEMA ...
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05246/565143.stm
Woods
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08 Sep 2005 08:13:05 PM |
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"Woodswun" <woodswun@tepidmail.com> wrote in message
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dreamwalker wrote:
The Fox News Channel's Major Garrett was just on my show extending the story he had just reported
on Brit Hume's show: The Red Cross is confirming to Garrett that it had prepositioned water,
food, blankets and hygiene products for delivery to the Superdome and the Convention Center in
the immediate aftermath of the hurricane, but were blocked from delivering those supplies by
orders of the Louisiana state government, which did not want to attract people to the Superdome
and/or Convention Center. Garrett has no paper trail yet, but will follow up on his verbal
confirmation from sources at the highest levels of the Red Cross.
The transcript of the interview will be available at Radioblogger later this afternoon.
Interesting that now the RC is claiming it was state personnel, but on Sept 3 they were claiming
it was FEMA ...
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05246/565143.stm
Woods
That's because the reporters are morons. The Dept of Homeland Security that blocked them was
state.........not federal. The federal government declared NO a disaster on 8/27 when Bush signed
the order. The governor sat on her hands until the 8/31 before federalizing the disaster effort. In
the mean time, state DHS blocked the Red Cross and any other non-profit that coordinates with the
feds. As you probably know, FEMA and the Red Cross couldn't begin to move in supplies and troops
until the governor gave her authorization. Doing so would've been violation of the law.
Bush's only mistake in this mess is that he didn't get on national TV and humiliate the governor
into federalizing the disaster relief. It may have saved lives.
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| User: "tw" |
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09 Sep 2005 01:53:32 AM |
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"dreamwalker" <backfromthe@dead.com> wrote in message
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"Woodswun" <woodswun@tepidmail.com> wrote in message
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dreamwalker wrote:
The Fox News Channel's Major Garrett was just on my show extending the
story he had just reported
on Brit Hume's show: The Red Cross is confirming to Garrett that it had
prepositioned water,
food, blankets and hygiene products for delivery to the Superdome and
the Convention Center in
the immediate aftermath of the hurricane, but were blocked from
delivering those supplies by
orders of the Louisiana state government, which did not want to attract
people to the Superdome
and/or Convention Center. Garrett has no paper trail yet, but will
follow up on his verbal
confirmation from sources at the highest levels of the Red Cross.
The transcript of the interview will be available at Radioblogger later
this afternoon.
Interesting that now the RC is claiming it was state personnel, but on
Sept 3 they were claiming
it was FEMA ...
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05246/565143.stm
Woods
That's because the reporters are morons.
Yet still way cleverer and more honest than you.
The Dept of Homeland Security that blocked them was
state.........not federal.
Which goes to show what a shower of ***** your Department Of Christian
Paranoia is, doesn't it? What are they actually so supposed to be good at?
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| User: "Steven Douglas" |
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09 Sep 2005 08:54:30 PM |
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tw wrote:
"dreamwalker" <backfromthe@dead.com> wrote in message
news:bebf9$4320e1a3$40762849$29971@powerweb.allthenewsgroups.com...
"Woodswun" <woodswun@tepidmail.com> wrote in message
news:982Ue.85639$Hx4.66329@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
dreamwalker wrote:
The Fox News Channel's Major Garrett was just on my show extending the
story he had just reported
on Brit Hume's show: The Red Cross is confirming to Garrett that it had
prepositioned water,
food, blankets and hygiene products for delivery to the Superdome and
the Convention Center in
the immediate aftermath of the hurricane, but were blocked from
delivering those supplies by
orders of the Louisiana state government, which did not want to attract
people to the Superdome
and/or Convention Center. Garrett has no paper trail yet, but will
follow up on his verbal
confirmation from sources at the highest levels of the Red Cross.
The transcript of the interview will be available at Radioblogger later
this afternoon.
Interesting that now the RC is claiming it was state personnel, but on
Sept 3 they were claiming
it was FEMA ...
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05246/565143.stm
Woods
That's because the reporters are morons.
Yet still way cleverer and more honest than you.
Not in this case. You automatically think reporters are clever and
honest? Many, many of them, are lazy morons who know less than
dreamwalker knew days ago. Dreamwalker started posting the Louisiana
disaster plan here calling for the use of school buses to evacuate
stranded people BEFORE the hurricane -- and he posted the picture of
the flooded out buses sitting there uselessly -- while most reporters
had no clue of any of that. I have yet to see a picture of those buses
in my two local newspapers -- one of which is a well known major
metropolitan newspaper. They still sound like Woods sounded a few days
ago -- "it's all Bush's fault."
The Dept of Homeland Security that blocked them was
state.........not federal.
Which goes to show what a shower of ***** your Department Of Christian
Paranoia is, doesn't it? What are they actually so supposed to be good at?
The topic is the Louisiana STATE Department of Homeland Security. It is
a STATE department, not the Federal Department of Homeland Security.
Two different entities.
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| User: "Tom" |
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| Title: Re: The Red Cross Blocked |
11 Sep 2005 04:39:32 AM |
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"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote in message
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tw wrote:
"dreamwalker" <backfromthe@dead.com> wrote in message
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"Woodswun" <woodswun@tepidmail.com> wrote in message
news:982Ue.85639$Hx4.66329@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
dreamwalker wrote:
The Fox News Channel's Major Garrett was just on my show extending
the
story he had just reported
on Brit Hume's show: The Red Cross is confirming to Garrett that it
had
prepositioned water,
food, blankets and hygiene products for delivery to the Superdome
and
the Convention Center in
the immediate aftermath of the hurricane, but were blocked from
delivering those supplies by
orders of the Louisiana state government, which did not want to
attract
people to the Superdome
and/or Convention Center. Garrett has no paper trail yet, but will
follow up on his verbal
confirmation from sources at the highest levels of the Red Cross.
The transcript of the interview will be available at Radioblogger
later
this afternoon.
Interesting that now the RC is claiming it was state personnel, but
on
Sept 3 they were claiming
it was FEMA ...
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05246/565143.stm
Woods
That's because the reporters are morons.
Yet still way cleverer and more honest than you.
Not in this case. You automatically think reporters are clever and
honest?
Only compared to a lying dimwit like Dreamwalker.
<snip rant>
Which goes to show what a shower of ***** your Department Of Christian
Paranoia is, doesn't it? What are they actually so supposed to be good
at?
The topic is the Louisiana STATE Department of Homeland Security. It is
a STATE department, not the Federal Department of Homeland Security.
Two different entities.
Still part of the same innefectual ***** setup in the wake of 11 sept.
Glub help you if they have to deal with a significant terrorist attack.
Once again, what are they supposed to be good at?
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| User: "Woodswun" |
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| Title: Re: The Red Cross Blocked |
11 Sep 2005 08:48:31 AM |
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Tom wrote:
"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1126317270.832486.90870@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
tw wrote:
"dreamwalker" <backfromthe@dead.com> wrote in message
news:bebf9$4320e1a3$40762849$29971@powerweb.allthenewsgroups.com...
"Woodswun" <woodswun@tepidmail.com> wrote in message
news:982Ue.85639$Hx4.66329@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
dreamwalker wrote:
The Fox News Channel's Major Garrett was just on my show extending
the
story he had just reported
on Brit Hume's show: The Red Cross is confirming to Garrett that it
had
prepositioned water,
food, blankets and hygiene products for delivery to the Superdome
and
the Convention Center in
the immediate aftermath of the hurricane, but were blocked from
delivering those supplies by
orders of the Louisiana state government, which did not want to
attract
people to the Superdome
and/or Convention Center. Garrett has no paper trail yet, but will
follow up on his verbal
confirmation from sources at the highest levels of the Red Cross.
The transcript of the interview will be available at Radioblogger
later
this afternoon.
Interesting that now the RC is claiming it was state personnel, but
on
Sept 3 they were claiming
it was FEMA ...
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05246/565143.stm
Woods
That's because the reporters are morons.
Yet still way cleverer and more honest than you.
Not in this case. You automatically think reporters are clever and
honest?
Only compared to a lying dimwit like Dreamwalker.
<snip rant>
Which goes to show what a shower of ***** your Department Of Christian
Paranoia is, doesn't it? What are they actually so supposed to be good
at?
The topic is the Louisiana STATE Department of Homeland Security. It is
a STATE department, not the Federal Department of Homeland Security.
Two different entities.
Still part of the same innefectual ***** setup in the wake of 11 sept.
Glub help you if they have to deal with a significant terrorist attack.
Once again, what are they supposed to be good at?
Evidently, what they're good at is providing high paying jobs, at
taxpayer expense, as rewards for getting Duhbya elected.
Woods
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| User: "Steven Douglas" |
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| Title: Re: The Red Cross Blocked |
11 Sep 2005 04:29:08 PM |
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Tom wrote:
"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1126317270.832486.90870@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
tw wrote:
"dreamwalker" <backfromthe@dead.com> wrote in message
news:bebf9$4320e1a3$40762849$29971@powerweb.allthenewsgroups.com...
"Woodswun" <woodswun@tepidmail.com> wrote in message
news:982Ue.85639$Hx4.66329@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
dreamwalker wrote:
The Fox News Channel's Major Garrett was just on my show extending
the story he had just reported
on Brit Hume's show: The Red Cross is confirming to Garrett that it
had prepositioned water,
food, blankets and hygiene products for delivery to the Superdome
and the Convention Center in
the immediate aftermath of the hurricane, but were blocked from
delivering those supplies by
orders of the Louisiana state government, which did not want to
attract people to the Superdome
and/or Convention Center. Garrett has no paper trail yet, but will
follow up on his verbal
confirmation from sources at the highest levels of the Red Cross.
The transcript of the interview will be available at Radioblogger
later this afternoon.
Interesting that now the RC is claiming it was state personnel, but
on Sept 3 they were claiming it was FEMA ...
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05246/565143.stm
Woods
That's because the reporters are morons.
Yet still way cleverer and more honest than you.
Not in this case. You automatically think reporters are clever and
honest?
Only compared to a lying dimwit like Dreamwalker.
<snip rant>
Of course, because my "rant" explained why reporters in this case are
way behind dreamwalker.
Which goes to show what a shower of ***** your Department Of Christian
Paranoia is, doesn't it? What are they actually so supposed to be good
at?
The topic is the Louisiana STATE Department of Homeland Security. It is
a STATE department, not the Federal Department of Homeland Security.
Two different entities.
Still part of the same innefectual ***** setup in the wake of 11 sept.
It is completely unfair to blame the federal government for the
mistakes of State of Louisiana officials. The humanitarian disaster in
New Orleans was created, and allowed to grow worse, by local and State
officials.
Glub help you if they have to deal with a significant terrorist attack.
Let's hope there are local and State officials who are able to carry
out their responsibilities when that happens, as was the case in New
York four years ago.
Once again, what are they supposed to be good at?
The federal government's responsibility, in an emergency, is to help
provide a coordinated response by military, private charities (Red
Cross, Salvation Army, etc.) and other agencies (such as police, fire,
and rescue personnel coming from governmental agencies outside the
affected area).
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| User: "tw" |
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| Title: Re: The Red Cross Blocked |
12 Sep 2005 02:53:29 AM |
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"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote in message
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Tom wrote:
"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1126317270.832486.90870@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
tw wrote:
"dreamwalker" <backfromthe@dead.com> wrote in message
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"Woodswun" <woodswun@tepidmail.com> wrote in message
news:982Ue.85639$Hx4.66329@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
dreamwalker wrote:
The Fox News Channel's Major Garrett was just on my show
extending
the story he had just reported
on Brit Hume's show: The Red Cross is confirming to Garrett
that it
had prepositioned water,
food, blankets and hygiene products for delivery to the
Superdome
and the Convention Center in
the immediate aftermath of the hurricane, but were blocked from
delivering those supplies by
orders of the Louisiana state government, which did not want to
attract people to the Superdome
and/or Convention Center. Garrett has no paper trail yet, but
will
follow up on his verbal
confirmation from sources at the highest levels of the Red
Cross.
The transcript of the interview will be available at
Radioblogger
later this afternoon.
Interesting that now the RC is claiming it was state personnel,
but
on Sept 3 they were claiming it was FEMA ...
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05246/565143.stm
Woods
That's because the reporters are morons.
Yet still way cleverer and more honest than you.
Not in this case. You automatically think reporters are clever and
honest?
Only compared to a lying dimwit like Dreamwalker.
<snip rant>
Of course, because my "rant" explained why reporters in this case are
way behind dreamwalker.
It was irrelevant to the fact that Dreamwalker is a lying dimwit, hence the
snippage.
Which goes to show what a shower of ***** your Department Of
Christian
Paranoia is, doesn't it? What are they actually so supposed to be
good
at?
The topic is the Louisiana STATE Department of Homeland Security. It
is
a STATE department, not the Federal Department of Homeland Security.
Two different entities.
Presumably with a similar mission, resources, training etc. Part of the same
scaremongering vision.
Still part of the same innefectual ***** setup in the wake of 11
sept.
It is completely unfair to blame the federal government for the
mistakes of State of Louisiana officials. The humanitarian disaster in
New Orleans was created, and allowed to grow worse, by local and State
officials.'
You been drinking, Steve? Where did I blame federal government? I'm merely
pointing out that the DHS can't do their job - certainly not at a State
level, so it's a fair bet they'd be equally useless at a state level
Glub help you if they have to deal with a significant terrorist attack.
Let's hope there are local and State officials who are able to carry
out their responsibilities when that happens, as was the case in New
York four years ago.
Apples/Oranges. 1) this was pre DHS, 2) NY didn't have its entire
infrastructure wiped out, it wasn't full of water.
Once again, what are they supposed to be good at?
The federal government's responsibility, in an emergency, is to help
provide a coordinated response by military, private charities (Red
Cross, Salvation Army, etc.) and other agencies (such as police, fire,
and rescue personnel coming from governmental agencies outside the
affected area).
So you don't know what the DHS are supposed to be good at. Doesn't it make
you angry/worried that this cumbersome, inneffectual and extremely expensive
organisation fucked up so badly the first time it was actually asked to do
anything?
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| User: "Steven Douglas" |
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12 Sep 2005 11:31:55 PM |
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tw wrote:
"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote in message
The topic is the Louisiana STATE Department of Homeland Security. It
is a STATE department, not the Federal Department of Homeland
Security. Two different entities.
Presumably with a similar mission, resources, training etc. Part of the same
scaremongering vision.
Still part of the same innefectual ***** setup in the wake of 11
sept.
Believe me, I'm no fan of big government bureaucracy. That is the
domain of Democrats. However, what evidence do you have that DHS has
been ineffectual in its assigned role?
It is completely unfair to blame the federal government for the
mistakes of State of Louisiana officials. The humanitarian disaster in
New Orleans was created, and allowed to grow worse, by local and State
officials.'
You been drinking, Steve?
Never touch the stuff.
Where did I blame federal government?
My point is that a lot of the blame the federal government HAS received
turns out to have been caused by the Louisiana State DHS, not by
federal DHS.
I'm merely pointing out that the DHS can't do their job - certainly
not at a State level, so it's a fair bet they'd be equally useless
at a state level
Glub help you if they have to deal with a significant terrorist attack.
Let's hope there are local and State officials who are able to carry
out their responsibilities when that happens, as was the case in New
York four years ago.
Apples/Oranges. 1) this was pre DHS, 2) NY didn't have its entire
infrastructure wiped out, it wasn't full of water.
And FEMA had the Red Cross in place to go into New Orleans right after
the hurricane, and the State DHS wouldn't allow the Red Cross to enter
N.O. -- which caused the media in this country to immeidately jump to
the wrong conclusion that it was FEMA's fault. And the media STILL
hasn't straightened it out yet; but they will eventually, and
begrudginglly.
Once again, what are they supposed to be good at?
The federal government's responsibility, in an emergency, is to help
provide a coordinated response by military, private charities (Red
Cross, Salvation Army, etc.) and other agencies (such as police, fire,
and rescue personnel coming from governmental agencies outside the
affected area).
So you don't know what the DHS are supposed to be good at. Doesn't it make
you angry/worried that this cumbersome, inneffectual and extremely expensive
organisation fucked up so badly the first time it was actually asked to do
anything?
I'm not sure it did as badly as it has been portrayed by the largely
incompetent US media. DHS has gotten the job done in previous
hurricanes in Florida, and has handled the situation in Mississippi
pretty well -- though good local and state leadership made a big
difference in those situations. Still, I think FEMA should be
reinstated as a stand alone agency.
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| User: "tw" |
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| Title: Re: The Red Cross Blocked |
13 Sep 2005 02:19:57 AM |
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"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote in message
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tw wrote:
"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote in message
The topic is the Louisiana STATE Department of Homeland Security.
It
is a STATE department, not the Federal Department of Homeland
Security. Two different entities.
Presumably with a similar mission, resources, training etc. Part of the
same
scaremongering vision.
Still part of the same innefectual ***** setup in the wake of 11
sept.
Believe me, I'm no fan of big government bureaucracy. That is the
domain of Democrats.
Apparently not, in the post 11/09/01 world.
However, what evidence do you have that DHS has
been ineffectual in its assigned role?
Err... New Orleans? Better still, do we have any evidence that they've EVER
been effectual?
Where did I blame federal government?
My point is that a lot of the blame the federal government HAS received
turns out to have been caused by the Louisiana State DHS, not by
federal DHS.
I thought we established long ago that I regard the state as having been
massively, if not criminally culpable.
<snip>
Let's hope there are local and State officials who are able to carry
out their responsibilities when that happens, as was the case in New
York four years ago.
Apples/Oranges. 1) this was pre DHS, 2) NY didn't have its entire
infrastructure wiped out, it wasn't full of water.
And FEMA had the Red Cross in place to go into New Orleans right after
the hurricane, and the State DHS wouldn't allow the Red Cross to enter
N.O. -- which caused the media in this country to immeidately jump to
the wrong conclusion that it was FEMA's fault. And the media STILL
hasn't straightened it out yet; but they will eventually, and
begrudginglly.
Seeing as you agree it's a completely useless comparison, I can only wonder
why you made it in teh first place.. I'm beginning to think some of the
"spin" accusations thrown at you recently might have a factual basis.
This is just your little soap box for a go at the "fringe leftists" who
dominate the media with their "fringe leftist agendas" isn't it?
So you don't know what the DHS are supposed to be good at. Doesn't it
make
you angry/worried that this cumbersome, inneffectual and extremely
expensive
organisation fucked up so badly the first time it was actually asked to
do
anything?
I'm not sure it did as badly as it has been portrayed by the largely
incompetent US media. DHS has gotten the job done in previous
hurricanes in Florida, and has handled the situation in Mississippi
pretty well -- though good local and state leadership made a big
difference in those situations. Still, I think FEMA should be
reinstated as a stand alone agency.
So you STILL can't tell me what they're supposed to be good at! Doesn't it
worry you that you're pumping all this money into an organisation Mr Bush
swears will defend you all from Armageddon and furriners and you don't even
know what it's supposed area of expertise IS?! It seems to be a nice little
junket for Bush's buddies, a power trip for minimum wage bag-scanners at the
local airport and nothing more.
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| User: "Steven Douglas" |
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13 Sep 2005 09:53:54 PM |
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tw wrote:
"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1126585915.828804.121720@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
tw wrote:
"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote in message
The topic is the Louisiana STATE Department of Homeland Securit=
y=2E
It is a STATE department, not the Federal Department of Homeland
Security. Two different entities.
Presumably with a similar mission, resources, training etc. Part of t=
he
same scaremongering vision.
Still part of the same innefectual ***** setup in the wake of =
11
sept.
Believe me, I'm no fan of big government bureaucracy. That is the
domain of Democrats.
Apparently not, in the post 11/09/01 world.
What? The DHS was the idea of a Democratic Senator -- in fact, he was
Al Gore's Vice Presidential candidate in 2000, Joseph Lieberman. The
idea quickly caught on, even while Republicans (and the Bush
administration) were against the idea. But the Democrats pushed it
through the media, and it became politically popular with the majority
of US citizens. So Bush took the idea and ran with it, causing
Democrats to become annoyed that he was getting credit for their idea!
Now they're blaming him for their idea! Ain't politics wonderful?
However, what evidence do you have that DHS has
been ineffectual in its assigned role?
Err... New Orleans?
Err... what about New Orleans? You mean the fact Louisiana officials
kept the Red Cross from going in to help people stranded at the
Superdome and Convention Center?
Better still, do we have any evidence that they've EVER been effectual?
Well let's see ... there have been a number of hurricanes in the years
since DHS was created, and I don't recall any major complaints. And
then there is Mississippi during THIS hurricane, with a completely
different situation than what happened in Louisiana (due to state
government officials).
Where did I blame federal government?
My point is that a lot of the blame the federal government HAS received
turns out to have been caused by the Louisiana State DHS, not by
federal DHS.
I thought we established long ago that I regard the state as having been
massively, if not criminally culpable.
Yet just above, you're right back to blaming federal DHS as
ineffectual, even though they were simultaneously effectual in
Mississippi. The epic proportion of the humanitarian crisis in
Louisiana was created by negligence (both before and after the
hurricane) by state and local officials.
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Let's hope there are local and State officials who are able to carry
out their responsibilities when that happens, as was the case in New
York four years ago.
Apples/Oranges. 1) this was pre DHS, 2) NY didn't have its entire
infrastructure wiped out, it wasn't full of water.
And FEMA had the Red Cross in place to go into New Orleans right after
the hurricane, and the State DHS wouldn't allow the Red Cross to enter
N.O. -- which caused the media in this country to immeidately jump to
the wrong conclusion that it was FEMA's fault. And the media STILL
hasn't straightened it out yet; but they will eventually, and
begrudginglly.
Seeing as you agree it's a completely useless comparison,
I neither stated nor implied any such agreement. Much of my criticism
of local and state officials has to do with their actions (or lack
thereof) BEFORE the hurricane. I have repeatedly stated that criticism
for two weeks.
I can only wonder why you made it in teh first place..
Because it is a valid comparison. In one case, there was competent
local and state leadership. That comparison also applies to Mississippi
right now. Have you heard a lot about their disaster? If it weren't for
New Orleans, Mississippi would have been a major story itself. Instead,
because their local and state leadership handled their problems more
adequately than Louisiana and New Orleans handled theirs, Mississippi
is hardly discussed in the media.
I'm beginning to think some of the "spin" accusations thrown at you
recently might have a factual basis.
Based on what, exactly?
This is just your little soap box for a go at the "fringe leftists" who
dominate the media with their "fringe leftist agendas" isn't it?
It is they who have exposed themselves for what they are -- a group of
morons with a pack mentality and a liberal bias, who are incapable of
finding the truth when the truth is so easily found. I've been waiting
for US media to discover it was STATE officials who blocked the Red
Cross from entering New Orleans, but apparently I'll have to wait a
little longer.
At the time the crisis was happening at the Superdome and Convention
Center, the mayor and reporters were screaming into the cameras to get
some food and water in there for those people. The IMMEDIATE conclusion
was that FEMA must be to blame. And that story still lives to this day.
But in reality, FEMA had the Red Cross ready and waiting to go in. But
they were blocked by STATE officials.
Here is my source for this, even though I have yet to read it in any of
my newspapers:
This has been on the redcross.org website for well over a week:
[quoting] Hurricane Katrina: Why is the Red Cross not in New Orleans?
Access to New Orleans is controlled by the National Guard and local
authorities and while we are in constant contact with them, we simply
cannot enter New Orleans against their orders.
The state Homeland Security Department had requested--and continues to
request--that the American Red Cross not come back into New Orleans
following the hurricane. Our presence would keep people from evacuating
and encourage others to come into the city.
The Red Cross has been meeting the needs of thousands of New Orleans
residents in some 90 shelters throughout the state of Louisiana and
elsewhere since before landfall. All told, the Red Cross is today
operating 149 shelters for almost 93,000 residents.
The Red Cross shares the nation's anguish over the worsening situation
inside the city. We will continue to work under the direction of the
military, state and local authorities and to focus all our efforts on
our lifesaving mission of feeding and sheltering.
The Red Cross does not conduct search and rescue operations. We are an
organization of civilian volunteers and cannot get relief aid into any
location until the local authorities say it is safe and provide us with
security and access.
The original plan was to evacuate all the residents of New Orleans to
safe places outside the city. With the hurricane bearing down, the city
government decided to open a shelter of last resort in the Superdome
downtown. We applaud this decision and believe it saved a significant
number of lives.
As the remaining people are evacuated from New Orleans, the most
appropriate role for the Red Cross is to provide a safe place for
people to stay and to see that their emergency needs are met. We are
fully staffed and equipped to handle these individuals once they are
evacuated.
=A9 Copyright The American National Red Cross. All Rights Reserved.
http://www.redcross.org/faq/0,1096,0_682_4524,00.html
So you don't know what the DHS are supposed to be good at. Doesn't it
make you angry/worried that this cumbersome, inneffectual and
extremely expensive organisation fucked up so badly the first time it=
was actually asked to
do anything?
I'm not sure it did as badly as it has been portrayed by the largely
incompetent US media. DHS has gotten the job done in previous
hurricanes in Florida, and has handled the situation in Mississippi
pretty well -- though good local and state leadership made a big
difference in those situations. Still, I think FEMA should be
reinstated as a stand alone agency.
So you STILL can't tell me what they're supposed to be good at! Doesn't it
worry you that you're pumping all this money into an organisation Mr Bush
swears will defend you all from Armageddon and furriners and you don't ev=
en
know what it's supposed area of expertise IS?!
Yet you ask me where you've blamed the federal government. Make up your
mind, will you?
It seems to be a nice little junket for Bush's buddies, a power trip
for minimum wage bag-scanners at the local airport and nothing more.
Really? So people in ONE state's government make an error in judgement,
and you're all over the federal government because that's what the
media misreported. Now let me explain this one more time ... if Bush
hadn't gone along with a politically popular idea, and this exact
humanitarian crisis had happened (caused by local and state officials
BEFORE and AFTER the hurricane) ... IF Bush had vetoed the Democrats'
idea of a DHS, and this situation had happened exactly as it happened
(which it would have), what would the politically motivated Democrats
be saying about him at this moment for having vetoed their big
bureaucratic idea?
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So in other words, the department of Homebrewed Paranoia ARE a useless
shower of ***** and you can't tell me what they're suppose dto be good
at. Doesn't that worry you?
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dreamwalker wrote:
"Woodswun" <woodswun@tepidmail.com> wrote in message
news:982Ue.85639$Hx4.66329@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
dreamwalker wrote:
The Fox News Channel's Major Garrett was just on my show extending the story he had just reported
on Brit Hume's show: The Red Cross is confirming to Garrett that it had prepositioned water,
food, blankets and hygiene products for delivery to the Superdome and the Convention Center in
the immediate aftermath of the hurricane, but were blocked from delivering those supplies by
orders of the Louisiana state government, which did not want to attract people to the Superdome
and/or Convention Center. Garrett has no paper trail yet, but will follow up on his verbal
confirmation from sources at the highest levels of the Red Cross.
The transcript of the interview will be available at Radioblogger later this afternoon.
Interesting that now the RC is claiming it was state personnel, but on Sept 3 they were claiming
it was FEMA ...
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05246/565143.stm
Woods
That's because the reporters are morons. The Dept of Homeland Security that blocked them was
state.........not federal. The federal government declared NO a disaster on 8/27 when Bush signed
the order. The governor sat on her hands until the 8/31 before federalizing the disaster effort.
In
the mean time, state DHS blocked the Red Cross and any other non-profit that coordinates with the
feds. As you probably know, FEMA and the Red Cross couldn't begin to move in supplies and troops
until the governor gave her authorization. Doing so would've been violation of the law.
In fact, the governor requested relief on 8/28, and she never gave
authority for the feds to take over command of Louisiana Nat'l Guard.
So, the "permission" was either given by means of the request or never
needed in the first place.
BTW, if Bush declared NO a disaster area on 8/27, that means it took his
appointee *7* days to do anything, rather than the 5 days people were
complaining about. Thanks for clarifying that Bush's folks are even
slower than we thought before ...
Woods
Bush's only mistake in this mess is that he didn't get on national TV and humiliate the governor
into federalizing the disaster relief. It may have saved lives.
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08 Sep 2005 09:14:05 PM |
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"Woodswun" <woodswun@tepidmail.com> wrote in message
news:r56Ue.48984$PM3.23354@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
dreamwalker wrote:
"Woodswun" <woodswun@tepidmail.com> wrote in message
news:982Ue.85639$Hx4.66329@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
dreamwalker wrote:
The Fox News Channel's Major Garrett was just on my show extending the story he had just
reported on Brit Hume's show: The Red Cross is confirming to Garrett that it had prepositioned
water, food, blankets and hygiene products for delivery to the Superdome and the Convention
Center in the immediate aftermath of the hurricane, but were blocked from delivering those
supplies by orders of the Louisiana state government, which did not want to attract people to
the Superdome and/or Convention Center. Garrett has no paper trail yet, but will follow up on
his verbal confirmation from sources at the highest levels of the Red Cross.
The transcript of the interview will be available at Radioblogger later this afternoon.
Interesting that now the RC is claiming it was state personnel, but on Sept 3 they were claiming
it was FEMA ...
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05246/565143.stm
Woods
That's because the reporters are morons. The Dept of Homeland Security that blocked them was
state.........not federal. The federal government declared NO a disaster on 8/27 when Bush signed
the order. The governor sat on her hands until the 8/31 before federalizing the disaster effort.
In
the mean time, state DHS blocked the Red Cross and any other non-profit that coordinates with the
feds. As you probably know, FEMA and the Red Cross couldn't begin to move in supplies and troops
until the governor gave her authorization. Doing so would've been violation of the law.
In fact, the governor requested relief on 8/28, and she never gave authority for the feds to take
over command of Louisiana Nat'l Guard. So, the "permission" was either given by means of the
request or never needed in the first place.
She signed a disaster relief order on 8/28 which enacted the state DHS. She didn't sign the order
for federal takeover until 8/31.
BTW, if Bush declared NO a disaster area on 8/27, that means it took his appointee *7* days to do
anything, rather than the 5 days people were complaining about. Thanks for clarifying that Bush's
folks are even slower than we thought before ...
Bush signed the order authorizing federal take over of disaster operations of a multi-state area.
The feds can't move until the said governor of the state signs the takeover order. For FEMA to move
in, or for that matter for the Red Cross to move in, would've violated the law. In other words, Bush
signed the order and waited while the fucking governor sat on her hands.
Woods
Bush's only mistake in this mess is that he didn't get on national TV and humiliate the governor
into federalizing the disaster relief. It may have saved lives.
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| User: "Woodswun" |
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08 Sep 2005 09:21:14 PM |
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dreamwalker wrote:
"Woodswun" <woodswun@tepidmail.com> wrote in message
news:r56Ue.48984$PM3.23354@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
dreamwalker wrote:
"Woodswun" <woodswun@tepidmail.com> wrote in message
news:982Ue.85639$Hx4.66329@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
dreamwalker wrote:
The Fox News Channel's Major Garrett was just on my show extending the story he had just
reported on Brit Hume's show: The Red Cross is confirming to Garrett that it had prepositioned
water, food, blankets and hygiene products for delivery to the Superdome and the Convention
Center in the immediate aftermath of the hurricane, but were blocked from delivering those
supplies by orders of the Louisiana state government, which did not want to attract people to
the Superdome and/or Convention Center. Garrett has no paper trail yet, but will follow up on
his verbal confirmation from sources at the highest levels of the Red Cross.
The transcript of the interview will be available at Radioblogger later this afternoon.
Interesting that now the RC is claiming it was state personnel, but on Sept 3 they were claiming
it was FEMA ...
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05246/565143.stm
Woods
That's because the reporters are morons. The Dept of Homeland Security that blocked them was
state.........not federal. The federal government declared NO a disaster on 8/27 when Bush signed
the order. The governor sat on her hands until the 8/31 before federalizing the disaster effort.
In
the mean time, state DHS blocked the Red Cross and any other non-profit that coordinates with the
feds. As you probably know, FEMA and the Red Cross couldn't begin to move in supplies and troops
until the governor gave her authorization. Doing so would've been violation of the law.
In fact, the governor requested relief on 8/28, and she never gave authority for the feds to take
over command of Louisiana Nat'l Guard. So, the "permission" was either given by means of the
request or never needed in the first place.
She signed a disaster relief order on 8/28 which enacted the state DHS. She didn't sign the order
for federal takeover until 8/31.
Incorrect. She requested *federal* FEMA disaster relief on 8/28. The
link to the letter was posted here.
BTW, if Bush declared NO a disaster area on 8/27, that means it took his appointee *7* days to do
anything, rather than the 5 days people were complaining about. Thanks for clarifying that Bush's
folks are even slower than we thought before ...
Bush signed the order authorizing federal take over of disaster operations of a multi-state area.
The feds can't move until the said governor of the state signs the takeover order. For FEMA to move
in, or for that matter for the Red Cross to move in, would've violated the law. In other words, Bush
signed the order and waited while the fucking governor sat on her hands.
Even IF what you say is accurate, which I doubt, that still leaves a 4
day delay in response after the supposed approval was given. Which
means Bush was sitting on his hands for 8 days, from 8/27 through 9/5
when aid finally showed up, rather than the mere 4 days everyone else
though his folks did little/nothing.
Woods
Woods
Bush's only mistake in this mess is that he didn't get on national TV and humiliate the governor
into federalizing the disaster relief. It may have saved lives.
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08 Sep 2005 09:07:40 PM |
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"Woodswun" <woodswun@tepidmail.com> wrote in message
news:982Ue.85639$Hx4.66329@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
dreamwalker wrote:
The Fox News Channel's Major Garrett was just on my show extending the story he had just reported
on Brit Hume's show: The Red Cross is confirming to Garrett that it had prepositioned water,
food, blankets and hygiene products for delivery to the Superdome and the Convention Center in
the immediate aftermath of the hurricane, but were blocked from delivering those supplies by
orders of the Louisiana state government, which did not want to attract people to the Superdome
and/or Convention Center. Garrett has no paper trail yet, but will follow up on his verbal
confirmation from sources at the highest levels of the Red Cross.
The transcript of the interview will be available at Radioblogger later this afternoon.
Interesting that now the RC is claiming it was state personnel, but on Sept 3 they were claiming
it was FEMA ...
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05246/565143.stm
Woods
You're link finally worked. The "blocking of the Red Cross" in the article dated Sept 3rd was by
federal DHS. It's also understandable. A massive evac began on Sept 1st following Blanco's turn over
of disaster operations to FEMA. The convention center was almost empty by Sept 3rd. To stream in
supplies while the evac was occuring would've hampered the evac effort. The blocking of the Red
Cross by state DHS occured immediatly after the hurricane and continued through 8/31. At which time
Blanco signed.
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| User: "Woodswun" |
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08 Sep 2005 09:13:19 PM |
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dreamwalker wrote:
"Woodswun" <woodswun@tepidmail.com> wrote in message
news:982Ue.85639$Hx4.66329@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
dreamwalker wrote:
The Fox News Channel's Major Garrett was just on my show extending the story he had just reported
on Brit Hume's show: The Red Cross is confirming to Garrett that it had prepositioned water,
food, blankets and hygiene products for delivery to the Superdome and the Convention Center in
the immediate aftermath of the hurricane, but were blocked from delivering those supplies by
orders of the Louisiana state government, which did not want to attract people to the Superdome
and/or Convention Center. Garrett has no paper trail yet, but will follow up on his verbal
confirmation from sources at the highest levels of the Red Cross.
The transcript of the interview will be available at Radioblogger later this afternoon.
Interesting that now the RC is claiming it was state personnel, but on Sept 3 they were claiming
it was FEMA ...
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05246/565143.stm
Woods
You're link finally worked. The "blocking of the Red Cross" in the article dated Sept 3rd was by
federal DHS. It's also understandable.
Um ... FEMA *is* DHS. And you've just confirmed what I said, which
rebutted your original post.
Woods
A massive evac began on Sept 1st following Blanco's turn over
of disaster operations to FEMA. The convention center was almost empty by Sept 3rd. To stream in
supplies while the evac was occuring would've hampered the evac effort. The blocking of the Red
Cross by state DHS occured immediatly after the hurricane and continued through 8/31. At which time
Blanco signed.
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| User: "dreamwalker" |
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08 Sep 2005 09:15:40 PM |
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"Woodswun" <woodswun@tepidmail.com> wrote in message
news:3d6Ue.48995$PM3.15421@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
dreamwalker wrote:
"Woodswun" <woodswun@tepidmail.com> wrote in message
news:982Ue.85639$Hx4.66329@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
dreamwalker wrote:
The Fox News Channel's Major Garrett was just on my show extending the story he had just
reported on Brit Hume's show: The Red Cross is confirming to Garrett that it had prepositioned
water, food, blankets and hygiene products for delivery to the Superdome and the Convention
Center in the immediate aftermath of the hurricane, but were blocked from delivering those
supplies by orders of the Louisiana state government, which did not want to attract people to
the Superdome and/or Convention Center. Garrett has no paper trail yet, but will follow up on
his verbal confirmation from sources at the highest levels of the Red Cross.
The transcript of the interview will be available at Radioblogger later this afternoon.
Interesting that now the RC is claiming it was state personnel, but on Sept 3 they were claiming
it was FEMA ...
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05246/565143.stm
Woods
You're link finally worked. The "blocking of the Red Cross" in the article dated Sept 3rd was by
federal DHS. It's also understandable.
Um ... FEMA *is* DHS. And you've just confirmed what I said, which rebutted your original post.
Woods
A massive evac began on Sept 1st following Blanco's turn over
of disaster operations to FEMA. The convention center was almost empty by Sept 3rd. To stream in
supplies while the evac was occuring would've hampered the evac effort. The blocking of the Red
Cross by state DHS occured immediatly after the hurricane and continued through 8/31. At which
time Blanco signed.
FEMA is not DHS on the state level.
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| User: "Woodswun" |
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08 Sep 2005 09:22:40 PM |
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dreamwalker wrote:
"Woodswun" <woodswun@tepidmail.com> wrote in message
news:3d6Ue.48995$PM3.15421@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
dreamwalker wrote:
"Woodswun" <woodswun@tepidmail.com> wrote in message
news:982Ue.85639$Hx4.66329@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
dreamwalker wrote:
The Fox News Channel's Major Garrett was just on my show extending the story he had just
reported on Brit Hume's show: The Red Cross is confirming to Garrett that it had prepositioned
water, food, blankets and hygiene products for delivery to the Superdome and the Convention
Center in the immediate aftermath of the hurricane, but were blocked from delivering those
supplies by orders of the Louisiana state government, which did not want to attract people to
the Superdome and/or Convention Center. Garrett has no paper trail yet, but will follow up on
his verbal confirmation from sources at the highest levels of the Red Cross.
The transcript of the interview will be available at Radioblogger later this afternoon.
Interesting that now the RC is claiming it was state personnel, but on Sept 3 they were claiming
it was FEMA ...
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05246/565143.stm
Woods
You're link finally worked. The "blocking of the Red Cross" in the article dated Sept 3rd was by
federal DHS. It's also understandable.
Um ... FEMA *is* DHS. And you've just confirmed what I said, which rebutted your original post.
Woods
A massive evac began on Sept 1st following Blanco's turn over
of disaster operations to FEMA. The convention center was almost empty by Sept 3rd. To stream in
supplies while the evac was occuring would've hampered the evac effort. The blocking of the Red
Cross by state DHS occured immediatly after the hurricane and continued through 8/31. At which
time Blanco signed.
FEMA is not DHS on the state level.
Your post said the federal DHS denied RC access, which is FEMA.
Woods
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