posted it afour but am linked to a blank page etc
Not so Mr Chunder he is most likely correct
The word he is describing or trying to is Hyperbaton, but it is
certainly not a new notion and he is correct about the childish
methods of stretching credibility to the extreme to try and prove a
point, rather than let the events match the rhyme, but though most folk
seem to believe Mabus to be anything more than a warlord is also
kidding themselves.
But sorry about the length but from 1961 a man who did this as a thesis
not as a sensationalist
E Leoni:
Until the 19th century, a proper understanding of the prophecies, of
Nostradamus required an enormous amount of learning including mastery
of Latin, Creek, Old French, classical and medieval geography an (1
some Provencal. In short, the reader was required to have the same
knowl-edge that Nostradamus had.
But in the last hundred years such vast strides have been taken in the
cataloguing of human knowledge in convenient reference books that there
now remains very little in the text of the prophecies that has not been
clarified, or cannot be clarified. When Le Pelletier wrote his edition
during the Second Empire, he already had many tools to work with in
compiling his Nostradamian glossary. Today we have many more.
Nostradamus states in several places in his Preface arid Epistle that
he had deliberately obscured his prophecies and veiled them as heavily
possible. Why He did so is no mystery at all, and any reasonable person
think of many reasons: to avoid offense to the authorities of Church
and State, which might have involved his own summary liquidation; to
avoid the inconceivably wicked, not to mention confusing, sacrilege of
threatening to interfere with the fulfillment of God's Will by
disclosing it clearly in ad-vance; and perhaps also because of every
prophet's quite human desire to reduce the number of his failures to a
minimum by use of mysterious and confusing terminology. The important
question is then not why but Nostradamus goes about this These seem to
be the principal answers:
1. The innumerable glaring examples of Latin syntax seem to offer
satisfactory substantiation for the theory that the quatrains were
first written in Latin, perhaps from a rough draft in French. What kind
of Latin? We find an example in one quatrain that was left in Latin,
the "Incantion Against Inept Critics," found at the end of Century VI.
Some commentator's call it liturgical Latin, others just Low Latin.
jean Leroux in his Clef' (1712) came forth with something much more
specific. He was convinced that Nostradamus had read a book called
Progymnasmata in artem orator- ium by Franciscus Sylvius, professor at
the University of Paris. This book printed in 1528, set forth in the
greatest detail how to produce the most elegant Latin. Leroux cites
chapter and verse of Sylvius' book for ten instances in which his
precepts have been followed in this one quatrain alone. The French
translation of this "elegant" Latin is virtually verbatim. This means
that Latin syntax, not French syntax, prevails. It means, for instance.
that an ablative absolute construction loses its identity as such in
uninflected French, and yet requires the translation of an ablative
absolute,
By this theory it would seem that the proper sense of the quatrains
could best be derived by translating them back, verbatim, into Latin,
In his bilingual Janus in 1594, Chavigny did indeed give many of the
quatrains Latin, without, however, much more sense being made by them
by any -Perhaps Chavigny, excellent classics scholar that he was, did
not use proper Latin. Or perhaps the theory is worthy of but limited
applica-tion. In any, case, this theory must be kept in mind, even if
its application by no means makes the quatrains much clearer.
1 Although the quatrains are nominally translated into French about ,5
per cent of the words are not recognizable as French today. About 2.8
per cent of the vocabulary is merely frenchified Latin (with slight
changes in the endings) if not pure Latin. Another 2.1 per cent
Consists of 01(1 French words.' The remaining 0.1 per cent consists of
words of Greek or Provencal origin .
2 Le Pelletier mentions Spanish, Italian, Celtic and Hebrew as the
source of many words, but there is only one Hebrew word 1096), a
sentence in Spanish (1025), and nothing from the other two tongues that
could riot be derived as well or better from Latin or Old French.
Perhaps the biggest source of confusion is in connection with words
identical with French words, but which the context shows to have other
derivation. Thus the word pont means, "bridge" in French, but we find
Nostradamus using it to mean "sea," from the Creek pontos. or 'Papacy"
from the Latin pontifex (and derivatives). Although pie means "magpie"
French, Nostradamus used it as a derivative of the Latin pius,
"pious"
3. Anagrams were all the rage in Nostradamus' day, It is quite,
reasonable that he should have made use of them. Thus Chyren is put for
Henryc-us), Nersaf for "France," Rapis for "Paris," noir for roy,
"king," and (Mendosus for "Vendosme" (the actual Bourbon sub-branch
that came to the throne). In the anagrams latitude is provided by the
inter changeability, of and i,u and v, s and c, i and j. The use of
silent s instead of a circumflex similar variations of form in
accentation must also be noted. Although the perfect anagram required
the use of the same letters, Nostradamus seems to have allowed himself
the change of one letter, but never more than one.
Similar to the use of anagrams is the rise of enigmas. Prominent
amongst these are Aenobarbe, which means Bronzebeard but is also the
family name the of Antichrist Nero, symbol of pagan wickedness, the
Pourceau Mi-homme, which means "pig-half-man"; and various gentlemen
named after Roman gods, like Jupiter, Mars and Saturn.
4. Mythological and historical allusions veil several quatrains. One
quatrain refers to the story of Bellerophon and Proetus, another to
that of Jupiter and Phaeton. In the Epistle someone is called a second
Thrasibulus, so we must know that this gentleman was the leader of the
popular party at Athens who restored the democracy in 403 B.C. and is
therefore the symbol of a radical demagogue. 'As Old French was still
much in use in it is riot quite correct to consider this amongst the
deliberate obscurifications of Nostrdamus. many words could be derived
from either Latin or French equally one whole quatrain in (426) and
most of another (444),
5. References to many places are veiled by use of their classical names
or origin. Thus we find Port Phocen for Marseilles. founded by the '
Phoceans; Byzantium for Constantinople or Istanbul; Agatha for Agen;
Lutetia for Paris; Bastarnia for Poland; Hister for the Danube;
Pannonia for Hungary; Lusitania for Portugal and many, many others.
6. Nostradamus makes ample use of devices variously considered as
grammatical, poetical or rhetorical, and derived chiefly from Latin or
Greek usage. Chief amongst these are-
a) ELLIPSIS, the omission of words which are understood. Thus qui is
used frequently for ce qui, "he who."
b) SYNECDOCHE, the part standing for the whole. Thus sword stands for
army at times, or Paris may stand for France. A common
non-Nostra-damiam
contemporary example is "the Kremlin for the U.S.S.R. How-ever, this
has been carried too far by some interpreters in twisting simple
statements into farfetched images.
C) HYPERBATON, the transposition or inversion of the natural order.
This is found throughout. The dividing line between it and the
previously men-tioned use of Latin syntax is rather blurry.
d) APOCOPE, the omission of the last letter or syllable. In
Nostradamus, this amounts to abbreviation. We find Carpen for
Carpentras, Ast for Asti, Carcas for Careassonne, etc.
e) SYNCOPE, the omission of a letter or syllable from the middle of a
word. Thus donra is used for donnera, lairra for laissera, monstra for
monstrera and Tamins for Tamisiens (those of the Thames).
f) APHERESIS, the omission of a letter or syllable from the beginning
of a word. Thus, vers6 is used for renvers6, "overthrown."
g) EPENTHESIS, the insertion of a letter or syllable in the middle.
Thus we find Timbre for Tibre, the Tiber River.
h) PROSTHESIS, the insertion of an extra letter at the beginning of a
word. Thus, Aspire is put for Spire, a city in Bavaria.
i) METATHESIS, the transposition of letters or syllables. Thus Ucetia
is used for Uticensia, Latin name for the town of Uzes.
Within this framework, the majority of the words and phrases make
sense, and follow some sort of pattern. Nevertheless, Leroux's ,dew
that all the quat-rains are actually the epitome of polished literature
and contain no barbarities is carrying things a bit too far.
Does that help?
Beware fanciful fantasists
I am off to Sin City
LB
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15 Jul 2005 03:13:20 AM |
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'leigh8bee', I have respected you POSTs in the past, but I have to admit this last
POST is a 'Rambling' on the Level of "one of my POSTs !!!
I am concerned !!!
:-(]
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| User: "" |
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15 Jul 2005 04:02:53 PM |
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Well to many it would seem you need some ground rules for approach and
like Clinton's Economy remark it is the Etymology,***** and word play
not, and as such well within the bounds.
I reckon Zarqawi is the most likely candidate, and still think it is
the Comet that is the most significance, though suppose he (Mabus
Masub) dies in a manner of a suicide nuke?
Speculation yes, but could also explain the disaster described.(the
Hetacombe)
LB
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| User: "~..~ Veszpertin ~..~" |
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15 Jul 2005 09:18:12 PM |
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Remember what the evildoer Osame Bin Lauden said
that he would die in the belly of the Eagle as a mortor.
ENESSA QUA ONNICA make it never happen.
WOMP WOMP
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| User: "" |
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16 Jul 2005 04:09:43 PM |
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But like Hitchikers Galaxy, it is the Question.
Or is he saying by being eaten by the eagle, he will become the eagle?
LB
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| User: "John Smith" |
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16 Jul 2005 10:26:01 PM |
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Usama may have been trying to make the 'Prophecy Fit The Man'. Possibly Usama was
trying to put a spine on a Nostradamiun prophecy.
I used to think the "Father's cause will be taken up by the son" - applied to Usama
and Musab (al-Zarqawi). I now know better.
I now feel that abu Musab (al-Zarqawi) [which some think is MABUS] will be the first
to fall. This will make him a Martyr that Usama will rally around !!!
Just My Thoughts.
:-(]
"~..~ Veszpertin ~..~" <laytonville@saber.net> wrote in message
news:1121480292.926651.104280@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Remember what the evildoer Osame Bin Lauden said
that he would die in the belly of the Eagle as a mortor.
ENESSA QUA ONNICA make it never happen.
WOMP WOMP
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| User: "" |
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17 Jul 2005 04:58:13 PM |
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He (Zarqawi) has a ways to go as does Usama, it gets worse before a
rather shakey resolution, and then well it gets to be real fun.
LB
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| User: "~..~ Veszpertin ~..~" |
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14 Jul 2005 09:46:18 PM |
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You're gonna be so shocked when the vegas
aliens abduct you and take all your winnings.
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| User: "" |
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15 Jul 2005 03:56:13 PM |
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I really did like the Game players of Titan, Nothing like a Vug!
Gannymede Takeover was good too.
LB
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