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User: "MonsieurStat"
Date: 09 Jul 2005 09:39:09 AM
Object: The silent victims of London attacks
Persecution of Muslims reach record levels after the attacks.
Check some of these headlines:
- Muslim groups fear backlash after London attacks
- Australian Moslems fear backlash after London bombs
- Muslims cower in fear of backlash
- London Blasts.What About British Muslims?
- Canuck Muslims dread backlash
- American Muslims condemn London attacks, ready for backlash
- Muslims shaken, fearful of backlash as after 9/11
....... Gathered in a small huddle of friends, Rahman spoke on the fringes of
Brick
Lane, a famous strip of Bengali restaurants just east of central London.
"It's a worrying time to be a Muslim," agreed Kaimul Haque, a travel agency
employee standing with him......
And the war on terror continues!
Stat.
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User: "Su Zanadu"

Title: Re: The silent victims of London attacks 09 Jul 2005 10:40:34 AM
Do you ever think our kids could do a better job running the world?
All the GOOD Muslims could wear a red ribbon to signify that they are
GOOD! :)
And all the GOOD people of the world could wear white ribbons......
All the BAD people could wear black...
Wear your aura on your lapel so to speak.
We would have to rely on the "honest buddy" system of course. ;)
And THEN wouldn't life be so much easier?
Yes - back to reality, death and destruction!
Too bad we don't all think like 10 year olds.....there would be no wars
or terrorism and we'd have twinkys and chocolate milk for breakfast
every day.
....and a DVD player with a flip down screen in each and every gas
guzzling SUV.
SuZanne
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User: "Absolute Zero"

Title: Re: The silent victims of London attacks 09 Jul 2005 10:04:03 AM
MonsieurStat wrote:

Persecution of Muslims reach record levels after the attacks.

Check some of these headlines:

- Muslim groups fear backlash after London attacks
- Australian Moslems fear backlash after London bombs
- Muslims cower in fear of backlash
- London Blasts.What About British Muslims?
- Canuck Muslims dread backlash
- American Muslims condemn London attacks, ready for backlash
- Muslims shaken, fearful of backlash as after 9/11

....... Gathered in a small huddle of friends, Rahman spoke on the fringes of
Brick
Lane, a famous strip of Bengali restaurants just east of central London.
"It's a worrying time to be a Muslim," agreed Kaimul Haque, a travel agency
employee standing with him......

And the war on terror continues!

Here we are, the *VAST* majority of the UK, doing our damndest to ensure
that the terrorist's desire to CAUSE ethnic conflict is THWARTED and you
post the following:
"Persecution of Muslims reach record levels after the attacks."
Followed by a list of headlines outlining "fears" not actions.
Explain yourself!
-A
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User: "MonsieurStat"

Title: Re: The silent victims of London attacks 09 Jul 2005 10:31:40 AM
"Absolute Zero" <amycaton@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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MonsieurStat wrote:

Persecution of Muslims reach record levels after the attacks.

Check some of these headlines:

- Muslim groups fear backlash after London attacks
- Australian Moslems fear backlash after London bombs
- Muslims cower in fear of backlash
- London Blasts.What About British Muslims?
- Canuck Muslims dread backlash
- American Muslims condemn London attacks, ready for backlash
- Muslims shaken, fearful of backlash as after 9/11

....... Gathered in a small huddle of friends, Rahman spoke on the
fringes of Brick
Lane, a famous strip of Bengali restaurants just east of central London.
"It's a worrying time to be a Muslim," agreed Kaimul Haque, a travel
agency
employee standing with him......

And the war on terror continues!


Here we are, the *VAST* majority of the UK, doing our damndest to ensure
that the terrorist's desire to CAUSE ethnic conflict is THWARTED and you
post the following:

"Persecution of Muslims reach record levels after the attacks."

Followed by a list of headlines outlining "fears" not actions.

Explain yourself!

Trolling along ;-)
Stat.

-A

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User: "MonsieurStat"

Title: Re: The silent victims of London attacks 09 Jul 2005 10:45:53 AM
"MonsieurStat" <monsieurstat@gmail.com> wrote in message
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"Absolute Zero" <amycaton@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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MonsieurStat wrote:

Persecution of Muslims reach record levels after the attacks.

Check some of these headlines:

- Muslim groups fear backlash after London attacks
- Australian Moslems fear backlash after London bombs
- Muslims cower in fear of backlash
- London Blasts.What About British Muslims?
- Canuck Muslims dread backlash
- American Muslims condemn London attacks, ready for backlash
- Muslims shaken, fearful of backlash as after 9/11

....... Gathered in a small huddle of friends, Rahman spoke on the
fringes of Brick
Lane, a famous strip of Bengali restaurants just east of central London.
"It's a worrying time to be a Muslim," agreed Kaimul Haque, a travel
agency
employee standing with him......

And the war on terror continues!


Here we are, the *VAST* majority of the UK, doing our damndest to ensure
that the terrorist's desire to CAUSE ethnic conflict is THWARTED and you
post the following:

"Persecution of Muslims reach record levels after the attacks."

Followed by a list of headlines outlining "fears" not actions.

Explain yourself!


Trolling along ;-)
Stat.

BTW, if you are interested this was the original source.
http://varifrank.com/
I did a little spin job a la Steven on it though.
Stat.

-A



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User: "Woodswun"

Title: Re: The silent victims of London attacks 09 Jul 2005 03:43:44 PM
MonsieurStat wrote:

Persecution of Muslims reach record levels after the attacks.

Check some of these headlines:

- Muslim groups fear backlash after London attacks
- Australian Moslems fear backlash after London bombs
- Muslims cower in fear of backlash
- London Blasts.What About British Muslims?
- Canuck Muslims dread backlash
- American Muslims condemn London attacks, ready for backlash
- Muslims shaken, fearful of backlash as after 9/11

Okay ... Muslims are *fearful* of a backlash, but none of them say
there's been any. I don't see how there can be a claim of a record
level of persecution of Muslims based on those headlines.
Woods
.
User: "MonsieurStat"

Title: Re: The silent victims of London attacks 09 Jul 2005 11:09:22 PM
"Woodswun" <woodswun@tepidmail.com> wrote in message
news:4GWze.27964$0i3.6458@twister.nyroc.rr.com...

MonsieurStat wrote:

Persecution of Muslims reach record levels after the attacks.

Check some of these headlines:

- Muslim groups fear backlash after London attacks
- Australian Moslems fear backlash after London bombs
- Muslims cower in fear of backlash
- London Blasts.What About British Muslims?
- Canuck Muslims dread backlash
- American Muslims condemn London attacks, ready for backlash
- Muslims shaken, fearful of backlash as after 9/11


Okay ... Muslims are *fearful* of a backlash, but none of them say there's
been any. I don't see how there can be a claim of a record level of
persecution of Muslims based on those headlines.

*Fear* of persecution is often worse than the persecution itself.
Terrorists' main objective is to create fear in people's hearts. It seems
that Muslims in Western countries are primary victims of terrorists.
Stat.

Woods

.
User: "Steven Douglas"

Title: Re: The silent victims of London attacks 12 Jul 2005 05:21:14 PM
MonsieurStat wrote:

"Woodswun" <woodswun@tepidmail.com> wrote in message
news:4GWze.27964$0i3.6458@twister.nyroc.rr.com...

MonsieurStat wrote:

Persecution of Muslims reach record levels after the attacks.

Check some of these headlines:

- Muslim groups fear backlash after London attacks
- Australian Moslems fear backlash after London bombs
- Muslims cower in fear of backlash
- London Blasts.What About British Muslims?
- Canuck Muslims dread backlash
- American Muslims condemn London attacks, ready for backlash
- Muslims shaken, fearful of backlash as after 9/11


Okay ... Muslims are *fearful* of a backlash, but none of them say there's
been any. I don't see how there can be a claim of a record level of
persecution of Muslims based on those headlines.


*Fear* of persecution is often worse than the persecution itself.
Terrorists' main objective is to create fear in people's hearts. It seems
that Muslims in Western countries are primary victims of terrorists.
Stat.

[quoting] If It's a Muslim Problem, It Needs a Muslim Solution
By THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN
OP-ED COLUMNIST
The New York Times
Published: July 8, 2005
Yesterday's bombings in downtown London are profoundly disturbing. In
part, that is because a bombing in our mother country and closest ally,
England, is almost like a bombing in our own country. In part, it's
because one assault may have involved a suicide bomber, bringing this
terrible jihadist weapon into the heart of a major Western capital.
That would be deeply troubling because open societies depend on trust -
on trusting that the person sitting next to you on the bus or subway is
not wearing dynamite.
The attacks are also deeply disturbing because when jihadist bombers
take their madness into the heart of our open societies, our societies
are never again quite as open. Indeed, we all just lost a little
freedom yesterday.
But maybe the most important aspect of the London bombings is this:
When jihadist-style bombings happen in Riyadh, that is a Muslim-Muslim
problem. That is a police problem for Saudi Arabia. But when
Al-Qaeda-like bombings come to the London Underground, that becomes a
civilizational problem. Every Muslim living in a Western society
suddenly becomes a suspect, becomes a potential walking bomb. And when
that happens, it means Western countries are going to be tempted to
crack down even harder on their own Muslim populations.
That, too, is deeply troubling. The more Western societies -
particularly the big European societies, which have much larger Muslim
populations than America - look on their own Muslims with suspicion,
the more internal tensions this creates, and the more alienated their
already alienated Muslim youth become. This is exactly what Osama bin
Laden dreamed of with 9/11: to create a great gulf between the Muslim
world and the globalizing West.
So this is a critical moment. We must do all we can to limit the
civilizational fallout from this bombing. But this is not going to be
easy. Why? Because unlike after 9/11, there is no obvious, easy target
to retaliate against for bombings like those in London. There are no
obvious terrorist headquarters and training camps in Afghanistan that
we can hit with cruise missiles. The Al Qaeda threat has metastasized
and become franchised. It is no longer vertical, something that we can
punch in the face. It is now horizontal, flat and widely distributed,
operating through the Internet and tiny cells.
Because there is no obvious target to retaliate against, and because
there are not enough police to police every opening in an open society,
either the Muslim world begins to really restrain, inhibit and denounce
its own extremists - if it turns out that they are behind the London
bombings - or the West is going to do it for them. And the West will do
it in a rough, crude way - by simply shutting them out, denying them
visas and making every Muslim in its midst guilty until proven
innocent.
And because I think that would be a disaster, it is essential that the
Muslim world wake up to the fact that it has a jihadist death cult in
its midst. If it does not fight that death cult, that cancer, within
its own body politic, it is going to infect Muslim-Western relations
everywhere. Only the Muslim world can root out that death cult. It
takes a village.
What do I mean? I mean that the greatest restraint on human behavior is
never a policeman or a border guard. The greatest restraint on human
behavior is what a culture and a religion deem shameful. It is what the
village and its religious and political elders say is wrong or not
allowed. Many people said Palestinian suicide bombing was the
spontaneous reaction of frustrated Palestinian youth. But when
Palestinians decided that it was in their interest to have a cease-fire
with Israel, those bombings stopped cold. The village said enough was
enough.
The Muslim village has been derelict in condemning the madness of
jihadist attacks. When Salman Rushdie wrote a controversial novel
involving the prophet Muhammad, he was sentenced to death by the leader
of Iran. To this day - to this day - no major Muslim cleric or
religious body has ever issued a fatwa condemning Osama bin Laden.
Some Muslim leaders have taken up this challenge. This past week in
Jordan, King Abdullah II hosted an impressive conference in Amman for
moderate Muslim thinkers and clerics who want to take back their faith
from those who have tried to hijack it. But this has to go further and
wider.
The double-decker buses of London and the subways of Paris, as well as
the covered markets of Riyadh, Bali and Cairo, will never be secure as
long as the Muslim village and elders do not take on, delegitimize,
condemn and isolate the extremists in their midst.

Copyright 2005 The New York Times Company
.
User: "tw"

Title: Re: The silent victims of London attacks 13 Jul 2005 07:10:13 AM
"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote in message
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MonsieurStat wrote:

"Woodswun" <woodswun@tepidmail.com> wrote in message
news:4GWze.27964$0i3.6458@twister.nyroc.rr.com...

MonsieurStat wrote:

Persecution of Muslims reach record levels after the attacks.

Check some of these headlines:

- Muslim groups fear backlash after London attacks
- Australian Moslems fear backlash after London bombs
- Muslims cower in fear of backlash
- London Blasts.What About British Muslims?
- Canuck Muslims dread backlash
- American Muslims condemn London attacks, ready for backlash
- Muslims shaken, fearful of backlash as after 9/11


Okay ... Muslims are *fearful* of a backlash, but none of them say

there's

been any. I don't see how there can be a claim of a record level of
persecution of Muslims based on those headlines.


*Fear* of persecution is often worse than the persecution itself.
Terrorists' main objective is to create fear in people's hearts. It

seems

that Muslims in Western countries are primary victims of terrorists.
Stat.



[quoting] If It's a Muslim Problem, It Needs a Muslim Solution

By THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN
OP-ED COLUMNIST
The New York Times
Published: July 8, 2005

Yesterday's bombings in downtown London are profoundly disturbing. In
part, that is because a bombing in our mother country and closest ally,
England, is almost like a bombing in our own country.

Really? So how come so many Americans donated so much money to organisations
like NORAID who used that money to buy arms and bombs to murder the
inhabitants of your "mother country and closest ally"?
...and more to the point, seeing as those organisations were acting in the
name of Catholicism (and their opponents in NI acting in the name of
Protestatism) where were the Catholic and Christian churches when it came to
finding a solution?

In part, it's because one assault may have involved a suicide bomber,

bringing this

terrible jihadist weapon into the heart of a major Western capital.
That would be deeply troubling because open societies depend on trust -
on trusting that the person sitting next to you on the bus or subway is
not wearing dynamite.

The attacks are also deeply disturbing because when jihadist bombers
take their madness into the heart of our open societies, our societies
are never again quite as open. Indeed, we all just lost a little
freedom yesterday.

Then we must have lost hundres of times that freedom during the IRA bombing
campaigns of the 70s, 80s and 90's which killed far more. Or by the crazy
***** who blew up teh Admiral Duncan pub and Brick Lane Market
a few years ago because he hated homosexuals and immigrants (sound familiar,
Tony?)


But maybe the most important aspect of the London bombings is this:
When jihadist-style bombings happen in Riyadh, that is a Muslim-Muslim
problem. That is a police problem for Saudi Arabia. But when
Al-Qaeda-like bombings come to the London Underground, that becomes a
civilizational problem. Every Muslim living in a Western society
suddenly becomes a suspect, becomes a potential walking bomb. And when
that happens, it means Western countries are going to be tempted to
crack down even harder on their own Muslim populations.

That, too, is deeply troubling. The more Western societies -
particularly the big European societies, which have much larger Muslim
populations than America - look on their own Muslims with suspicion,

I'd say there appears to be FAR more suspicion of Muslims in the US than in
Europe.

the more internal tensions this creates, and the more alienated their
already alienated Muslim youth become. This is exactly what Osama bin
Laden dreamed of with 9/11: to create a great gulf between the Muslim
world and the globalizing West.

Indeed. Many people here seem keen to stress this gulf and express the
bigotry against Muslims..


So this is a critical moment. We must do all we can to limit the
civilizational fallout from this bombing. But this is not going to be
easy. Why? Because unlike after 9/11, there is no obvious, easy target
to retaliate against for bombings like those in London. There are no
obvious terrorist headquarters and training camps in Afghanistan that
we can hit with cruise missiles. The Al Qaeda threat has metastasized
and become franchised. It is no longer vertical, something that we can
punch in the face. It is now horizontal, flat and widely distributed,
operating through the Internet and tiny cells.

So, because you feel impotence you want to pass the work on to the Muslim
community?


Because there is no obvious target to retaliate against, and because
there are not enough police to police every opening in an open society,
either the Muslim world begins to really restrain, inhibit and denounce
its own extremists

Which it has, countless times from 11/9/01 onwards.

- if it turns out that they are behind the London
bombings - or the West is going to do it for them. And the West will do
it in a rough, crude way - by simply shutting them out, denying them
visas and making every Muslim in its midst guilty until proven
innocent.

Funny how when such measures were suggested against Irish terrorism, the
first country to start kicking up a stink and complaining was..the US.


And because I think that would be a disaster, it is essential that the
Muslim world wake up to the fact that it has a jihadist death cult in
its midst.

Which it has, countless times from 11/9/01 onwards.

If it does not fight that death cult, that cancer, within
its own body politic, it is going to infect Muslim-Western relations
everywhere. Only the Muslim world can root out that death cult. It
takes a village.

What do I mean? I mean that the greatest restraint on human behavior is
never a policeman or a border guard. The greatest restraint on human
behavior is what a culture and a religion deem shameful. It is what the
village and its religious and political elders say is wrong or not
allowed. Many people said Palestinian suicide bombing was the
spontaneous reaction of frustrated Palestinian youth. But when
Palestinians decided that it was in their interest to have a cease-fire
with Israel, those bombings stopped cold. The village said enough was
enough.

The Muslim village has been derelict in condemning the madness of
jihadist attacks.

Absolute nonsense.
***"Nothing in Islam can ever justify the evil actions of the bombers."***
(The Muslim Council of Britain's secretary general, Iqbal Sacranie)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4677633.stm

When Salman Rushdie wrote a controversial novel
involving the prophet Muhammad, he was sentenced to death by the leader
of Iran. To this day - to this day - no major Muslim cleric or
religious body has ever issued a fatwa condemning Osama bin Laden.

Some Muslim leaders have taken up this challenge. This past week in
Jordan, King Abdullah II hosted an impressive conference in Amman for
moderate Muslim thinkers and clerics who want to take back their faith
from those who have tried to hijack it. But this has to go further and
wider.

The double-decker buses of London and the subways of Paris, as well as
the covered markets of Riyadh, Bali and Cairo, will never be secure as
long as the Muslim village and elders do not take on, delegitimize,
condemn and isolate the extremists in their midst.

Which they have done, many times.


Copyright 2005 The New York Times Company

.
User: "Steven Douglas"

Title: Re: The silent victims of London attacks 13 Jul 2005 09:40:49 PM
tw wrote:

"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1121206874.881592.65930@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...


MonsieurStat wrote:

"Woodswun" <woodswun@tepidmail.com> wrote in message
news:4GWze.27964$0i3.6458@twister.nyroc.rr.com...

MonsieurStat wrote:

Persecution of Muslims reach record levels after the attacks.

Check some of these headlines:

- Muslim groups fear backlash after London attacks
- Australian Moslems fear backlash after London bombs
- Muslims cower in fear of backlash
- London Blasts.What About British Muslims?
- Canuck Muslims dread backlash
- American Muslims condemn London attacks, ready for backlash
- Muslims shaken, fearful of backlash as after 9/11


Okay ... Muslims are *fearful* of a backlash, but none of them say
there's been any. I don't see how there can be a claim of a
record level of persecution of Muslims based on those headlines.


*Fear* of persecution is often worse than the persecution itself.
Terrorists' main objective is to create fear in people's hearts. It
seems that Muslims in Western countries are primary victims of
terrorists.
Stat.


[quoting] If It's a Muslim Problem, It Needs a Muslim Solution

By THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN
OP-ED COLUMNIST
The New York Times
Published: July 8, 2005

Yesterday's bombings in downtown London are profoundly disturbing. In
part, that is because a bombing in our mother country and closest ally,
England, is almost like a bombing in our own country.


Really? So how come so many Americans donated so much money to organisations
like NORAID who used that money to buy arms and bombs to murder the
inhabitants of your "mother country and closest ally"?

The VAST majority of us found those attacks disturbing, and we suffered
with each attack -- just as the VAST majority of us are suffering with
last week's attack.
I posted Thomas Friedman's column in response to Stat's statement that
Muslims in Western countries are primary victims of terrorists. Thomas
Friedman is a man of the left, and I believe he would agree with Stat's
point. That's why Friedman believes Muslims need to work on resolving
the problem of terrorism that exists in their midst.
And while I'm not interested in starting one of those long protracted
point by point debates over Thomas Friedman's column, you can send
Friedman an email care of the New York Times at http://www.nytimes.com
I did find it interesting, though, that you ignored one of the more
important points he made, and that was this:

When Salman Rushdie wrote a controversial novel
involving the prophet Muhammad, he was sentenced to death by the leader
of Iran. To this day - to this day - no major Muslim cleric or
religious body has ever issued a fatwa condemning Osama bin Laden.

Why did you choose to ignore that point? Do you know that Salman
Rushdie's apostasy is listed as a reason for his death sentence in the
Ayatollah's fatwa? What other religion has religious clerics issuing
death sentences?
And do you have an opinion why no major Muslim cleric or religious body
has issued a fatwa condemning Osama bin Laden?
You also ignored Friedman's paragraph that DOES mention some Muslim
leaders discussing the problem of Islamic terrorism:

Some Muslim leaders have taken up this challenge. This past week in
Jordan, King Abdullah II hosted an impressive conference in Amman for
moderate Muslim thinkers and clerics who want to take back their faith
from those who have tried to hijack it. But this has to go further and
wider.

In your response, you seemed to imply that Freidman had made no such
statement at all. As you can see, he did.
.



User: "Woodswun"

Title: Re: The silent victims of London attacks 10 Jul 2005 09:48:12 AM
MonsieurStat wrote:

"Woodswun" <woodswun@tepidmail.com> wrote in message
news:4GWze.27964$0i3.6458@twister.nyroc.rr.com...

MonsieurStat wrote:

Persecution of Muslims reach record levels after the attacks.

Check some of these headlines:

- Muslim groups fear backlash after London attacks
- Australian Moslems fear backlash after London bombs
- Muslims cower in fear of backlash
- London Blasts.What About British Muslims?
- Canuck Muslims dread backlash
- American Muslims condemn London attacks, ready for backlash
- Muslims shaken, fearful of backlash as after 9/11


Okay ... Muslims are *fearful* of a backlash, but none of them say there's
been any. I don't see how there can be a claim of a record level of
persecution of Muslims based on those headlines.



*Fear* of persecution is often worse than the persecution itself.
Terrorists' main objective is to create fear in people's hearts. It seems
that Muslims in Western countries are primary victims of terrorists.

Nevertheless, although they may be more fearful that they will
experience persecution, that does not mean that they ARE persecuted, as
your summary claims.
Woods

Stat.


Woods




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User: "EMD"

Title: Re: The silent victims of London attacks 10 Jul 2005 02:06:42 AM
Muslim groups all over have to do more than just FEAR BACKLASH......what the
hell do
they expect????????
These same "good" Muslims must CONDEMN the "bad" Muslims and even
out them when they know of any who are planning attacks on the West in the
USA
where they live.....
Criminals of all kinds from all religions, races, and backgrounds must be
brought to
justice and none should be harbored just because they are one of them....
Look what's happening in Aruba.....Arubans are protecting each other and
their island
and of course, it's all Halloway and the USA that are at fault......
.
User: "mondo"

Title: Re: The silent victims of London attacks 10 Jul 2005 08:14:42 PM
Any sort of backlashing makes the backlasher no different than the
backlashee. People who have this sort of mentality have think the same way
the terrorist do. You would think that they would understand each other
better!
mondo
"EMD" <emd@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:6O3Ae.406121$cg1.35408@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...

Muslim groups all over have to do more than just FEAR BACKLASH......what
the
hell do
they expect????????
These same "good" Muslims must CONDEMN the "bad" Muslims and even
out them when they know of any who are planning attacks on the West in the
USA
where they live.....
Criminals of all kinds from all religions, races, and backgrounds must be
brought to
justice and none should be harbored just because they are one of them....

Look what's happening in Aruba.....Arubans are protecting each other and
their island
and of course, it's all Halloway and the USA that are at fault......


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