I was doing some research to see if the death of the anti-pope in
Spain could have anything to do with Nostradamus prophecy about two
popes.
You know the one;
Century II - 41
La grand' estoille par sept jours bruslera,
Nuee fera deux soleils apparoir:
Le gros mastin toute nuit hurlera,
Quand grand pontife changera de terroir.
The great star will burn for seven days,
The cloud will make double sun appear:
The large mastiff will howl all night
When the great pontiff changes his abode.
(translation taken from:
http://www.goroadachi.com/etemenanki/two-suns.htm?
Anyway, I couldn't reconcile it to current events even when used in
conjunction with the death of the anti-pope Gregory XVII
(You can read about him and his beliefs here;
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Lair/7170/ibio1.htm)
and the failing health of John-Paul II
Anyway, I found this interesting. Maybe you will too.
It it taken from this website:
http://www.dreamscape.com/morgana/pandora.htm#MALACHY
St. Malachy O'Morgair (1095?-1148)
Maelmhaedhoc O’Morgair (Latin form: Malachy) was born in Armagh,
Ireland in 1094. In 1148, he died in the arms of St. Bernard of
Clairvaux, his biographer.
St. Malachy was reported to have possessed the powers of levitation,
healing, and clairvoyance. While on his way to the Vatican to assume
the post of papal legate for Ireland, he fell into trance and saw a
line of papal reigns stretching from the successor to Innocent II and
extending through centuries to the last of the line, identified as
Peter of Rome. Malachy assigned short descriptions in Latin to each
pope when he committed his vision to paper. These mottoes usually
refer to a family name, birthplace, coat-of-arms, or office held
before election to the papacy. Some of the phrases are multiple
prophecies, written with ingenious word play. For example, Pius II,
who reigned for only 26 days in 1503, was aptly described as "De Parvo
Homine" (from a little man). His family name was Piccolomini, Italian
for "little man."
Sometimes the personal history of the pope plays a part in the motto
given by Malachy. Clement XIII (1758-69), who had conenctions with the
government of the Italian state of Umbria and whose emblem was a rose,
was called by Malachy Rosa Umbriae, the "Rose of Umbria."
The passage of time has proved doubters of St. Malachy wrong, for his
prophecies have turned out to be amazingly accurate. He even
prophesied the precise date of his own death, and got it right. The
prophecies concern the papacy, starting with Pope Celestine II in
1143. In all, 112 popes and their characteristics are listed from 1143
to the "end of the world."
Here are descriptions of the final popes according to Malachy:
Pastor et Nauta/Shepherd and Navigator: John XXIII (1958 -1963),
patriarch of Venice (a city full of sailors) led his flock to a
modernization of the Church through the Ecumenical Council. John chose
two symbols for this Council -- a cross and a ship.
Flors Florum/Flower of Flowers: Paul VI (1963-1978) had a
coat-of-arms depicting three fleurs-de-lis.
De Medietate Lunae/From the Half Moon: John Paul I (1978-1978) had
the given name of Albino Luciani or "white light." Half-way into his
short reign, a lunar eclipse occurred.
De Labore Solis/From the Toil of the Sun [Labore could also be
Effort, Distress, Suffering, Trouble, leading to quite a few
variations. The preceding is the usual translation.]: John Paul II was
born during the solar eclipse of May 18, 1920.
De Gloria Olivae/From the Glory of the Olives: The Order of Saint
Benedict has claimed that this pope will come from their ranks. Saint
Benedict himself prophesied that before the end of the world his
Order, known also as the Olivetans, will triumphantly lead the
Catholic Church in its fight against evil.
Petrus Romanus/Peter of Rome: The Final Pope? "In the final
persecution of the Holy Roman Church there will reign Peter the Roman,
who will feed his flock among many tribulations, after which the
seven-hilled city will be destroyed and the dreadful Judge will judge
the people."
Nova
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25 Mar 2005 08:21:32 AM |
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Nova Carta <idlegossip2(remove)@yahoo.com.au
wrote:
I was doing some research to see if the death of the anti-pope in
Spain
Who the heck is the "Anti-Pope" ?
Tony
ould have anything to do with Nostradamus prophecy about two
popes.
You know the one;
Century II - 41
La grand' estoille par sept jours bruslera,
Nuee fera deux soleils apparoir:
Le gros mastin toute nuit hurlera,
Quand grand pontife changera de terroir.
The great star will burn for seven days,
The cloud will make double sun appear:
The large mastiff will howl all night
When the great pontiff changes his abode.
(translation taken from:
http://www.goroadachi.com/etemenanki/two-suns.htm?
Anyway, I couldn't reconcile it to current events even when used in
conjunction with the death of the anti-pope Gregory XVII
(You can read about him and his beliefs here;
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Lair/7170/ibio1.htm)
and the failing health of John-Paul II
Anyway, I found this interesting. Maybe you will too.
It it taken from this website:
http://www.dreamscape.com/morgana/pandora.htm#MALACHY
St. Malachy O'Morgair (1095?-1148)
Maelmhaedhoc O’Morgair (Latin form: Malachy) was born in Armagh,
Ireland in 1094. In 1148, he died in the arms of St. Bernard of
Clairvaux, his biographer.
St. Malachy was reported to have possessed the powers of levitation,
healing, and clairvoyance. While on his way to the Vatican to assume
the post of papal legate for Ireland, he fell into trance and saw a
line of papal reigns stretching from the successor to Innocent II and
extending through centuries to the last of the line, identified as
Peter of Rome. Malachy assigned short descriptions in Latin to each
pope when he committed his vision to paper. These mottoes usually
refer to a family name, birthplace, coat-of-arms, or office held
before election to the papacy. Some of the phrases are multiple
prophecies, written with ingenious word play. For example, Pius II,
who reigned for only 26 days in 1503, was aptly described as "De Parvo
Homine" (from a little man). His family name was Piccolomini, Italian
for "little man."
Sometimes the personal history of the pope plays a part in the motto
given by Malachy. Clement XIII (1758-69), who had conenctions with the
government of the Italian state of Umbria and whose emblem was a rose,
was called by Malachy Rosa Umbriae, the "Rose of Umbria."
The passage of time has proved doubters of St. Malachy wrong, for his
prophecies have turned out to be amazingly accurate. He even
prophesied the precise date of his own death, and got it right. The
prophecies concern the papacy, starting with Pope Celestine II in
1143. In all, 112 popes and their characteristics are listed from 1143
to the "end of the world."
Here are descriptions of the final popes according to Malachy:
Pastor et Nauta/Shepherd and Navigator: John XXIII (1958 -1963),
patriarch of Venice (a city full of sailors) led his flock to a
modernization of the Church through the Ecumenical Council. John chose
two symbols for this Council -- a cross and a ship.
Flors Florum/Flower of Flowers: Paul VI (1963-1978) had a
coat-of-arms depicting three fleurs-de-lis.
De Medietate Lunae/From the Half Moon: John Paul I (1978-1978) had
the given name of Albino Luciani or "white light." Half-way into his
short reign, a lunar eclipse occurred.
De Labore Solis/From the Toil of the Sun [Labore could also be
Effort, Distress, Suffering, Trouble, leading to quite a few
variations. The preceding is the usual translation.]: John Paul II was
born during the solar eclipse of May 18, 1920.
De Gloria Olivae/From the Glory of the Olives: The Order of Saint
Benedict has claimed that this pope will come from their ranks. Saint
Benedict himself prophesied that before the end of the world his
Order, known also as the Olivetans, will triumphantly lead the
Catholic Church in its fight against evil.
Petrus Romanus/Peter of Rome: The Final Pope? "In the final
persecution of the Holy Roman Church there will reign Peter the Roman,
who will feed his flock among many tribulations, after which the
seven-hilled city will be destroyed and the dreadful Judge will judge
the people."
Nova
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25 Mar 2005 08:34:33 PM |
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King George Dubya is of course.
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25 Mar 2005 01:32:03 AM |
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Cincinnatti, Ohio is known as
the seven-hilled city. We already
have more than enough dreadful
judges judging the people.
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Those prophecies where related to the "Spanish Inquisition" (and the =
'Power Struggles' of that 'Time') !!!
The Anti-Pope was the 'Instigator' (can't remember his name) of the =
'Inquisition of Spain' as he claimed that he was the "Right Hand" of GOD =
(At that time - and Rome was taking a 'Back Seat' to the Christian =
movement, Worldwide). And anyone that opposed this 'Instigator' was =
considered a "Messenger Of Satan Himself".
--> Nice way to Invoke "Ultimate Supremacy" on your People. (If you know =
what I mean.) :-()
Many Christians (and other people [of other Faiths]) where tortured =
during this time, just because some 'local' Lords deemed them as =
'threat' to their 'local Rule (WAYS) !!! ("Ultimate Power" corrupts =
"Ultimately"!!!)
Religion really had nothing to do with what happened during that period =
in 'Life'.
The 'Fools' TRULY where running the 'Asylum'.
This is why the Instigator' of the Inquisition was preceived as the =
"Anti-Pope"
PS: And they went completely against what Nostradamus preceived as a =
"Good Christian" (or Jew) !!! - being that Nostradamus was originally =
brought up Jewish !!! - hence, the reference as the "Anti-Pope".
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Just A Thought.
Have A Nice Day !!! :-[)
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27 Mar 2005 05:32:07 PM |
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Well looking at commentaries seems certain conditions must be met like
a comet in the sky and a reason like an invasion to move the pope out
of the vatican
Leoni
C II -Q41 La grand'estoile par sept iours bruslera,
Nu=E9e fera deux soleils apparoir:
Le gros mastin toute nuit hurlera
Quand grand pontife changera de terroir.
The great star shall burn for seven days; [When] it is cloudy, two suns
[shall] appear;
The big mastiff shall howl all night When the great pontiff changes
country.
Line 1. The familiar nova as a portent. Line 2. Either a portent, or
the presence of Pope and 'anti-Pope. Line 3. Perhaps Mastino della
Scala or Can Grande della Scala? Line 4. The removal of the Papacy to
Avignon.
The conditions are met in the 1320's, with Can Grande, Pope John XXII
and anti-Pope Pietro da Corvara.
C2Q41. All sorts of prodigies are to take place when a Pope dies (or,
perhaps, is forced to move the papal seat from Rome). It is perhaps
worth noting that nuclear explosions have been likened to a "second
sun."
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