and that's the truth...All the polls consistently indicate that - ie.
the most dangerous country on the earth is America...You've come a
long way baby.
Sept 11, 2001, the world was united with America. Horns honking with
American flags hanging out the window was common place from Canada, to
France, to Germany, and even Iran expressed sincere and heart-felt
sympathy. Now the world, just wants u f@#kers to go to hell.
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20 Apr 2007 02:46:47 PM |
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Do you really think we care what the rest of the ungreatful world thinks.We
need to pack up all of our toys,go home, and let the rest of the world eat
it.
"eric" <ericdavis500@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1177037996.458256.17650@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
and that's the truth...All the polls consistently indicate that - ie.
the most dangerous country on the earth is America...You've come a
long way baby.
Sept 11, 2001, the world was united with America. Horns honking with
American flags hanging out the window was common place from Canada, to
France, to Germany, and even Iran expressed sincere and heart-felt
sympathy. Now the world, just wants u f@#kers to go to hell.
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| User: "eric" |
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20 Apr 2007 03:26:43 PM |
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On Apr 20, 3:46 pm, "RJaudon" <rjau...@sc.rr.com> wrote:
Do you really think we care what the rest of the ungreatful world thinks.We
need to pack up all of our toys,go home, and let the rest of the world eat
it."eric" <ericdavis...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1177037996.458256.17650@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
and that's the truth...All the polls consistently indicate that - ie.
the most dangerous country on the earth is America...You've come a
long way baby.
Sept 11, 2001, the world was united with America. Horns honking with
American flags hanging out the window was common place from Canada, to
France, to Germany, and even Iran expressed sincere and heart-felt
sympathy. Now the world, just wants u f@#kers to go to hell.
Yeah, now that you've laid a big crap in Iraq..., laid a big crap of
debt on yourselves,
and your children. Get the Hell out.
eric.
P.S Typical Yanks to wipe ***** on everything, and then get mad, cuz
people aren't
grateful.
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| User: "WH" |
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21 Apr 2007 10:52:01 AM |
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On 20 Apr, 22:26, eric <ericdavis...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Apr 20, 3:46 pm, "RJaudon" <rjau...@sc.rr.com> wrote:
Do you really think we care what the rest of the ungreatful world thinks.We
need to pack up all of our toys,go home, and let the rest of the world eat
it."eric" <ericdavis...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1177037996.458256.17650@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
and that's the truth...All the polls consistently indicate that - ie.
the most dangerous country on the earth is America...You've come a
long way baby.
Sept 11, 2001, the world was united with America. Horns honking with
American flags hanging out the window was common place from Canada, to
France, to Germany, and even Iran expressed sincere and heart-felt
sympathy. Now the world, just wants u f@#kers to go to hell.
Yeah, now that you've laid a big crap in Iraq..., laid a big crap of
debt on yourselves,
and your children. Get the Hell out.
eric.
P.S Typical Yanks to wipe ***** on everything, and then get mad, cuz
people aren't
grateful.
See, there's three kinds of people: dicks, pussies, and assholes.
Pussies
think everyone can get along, and dicks just want to ***** all the time
without
thinking it through. But then you got your assholes, Chuck. And all
the
assholes want us to ***** all over everything! So, pussies may get mad
at dicks
once in a while, because pussies get fucked by dicks. But dicks also
*****
assholes, Chuck. And if they didn't ***** the assholes, you know what
you'd get?
You'd get your ***** and your ***** all covered in *****!
WH
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21 Apr 2007 01:42:14 PM |
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After Much Chewing of Cud and Cogitation, WH <bollogs@hotmail.com> Spat
the Words
On 20 Apr, 22:26, eric <ericdavis...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Apr 20, 3:46 pm, "RJaudon" <rjau...@sc.rr.com> wrote:
Do you really think we care what the rest of the ungreatful world
thinks.We need to pack up all of our toys,go home, and let the rest
of the world eat it."eric" <ericdavis...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1177037996.458256.17650@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
and that's the truth...All the polls consistently indicate that -
ie. the most dangerous country on the earth is America...You've
come a long way baby.
Sept 11, 2001, the world was united with America. Horns honking
with American flags hanging out the window was common place from
Canada, to France, to Germany, and even Iran expressed sincere and
heart-felt sympathy. Now the world, just wants u f@#kers to go to
hell.
Yeah, now that you've laid a big crap in Iraq..., laid a big crap of
debt on yourselves,
and your children. Get the Hell out.
eric.
P.S Typical Yanks to wipe ***** on everything, and then get mad, cuz
people aren't
grateful.
See, there's three kinds of people: dicks, pussies, and assholes.
Pussies
think everyone can get along, and dicks just want to ***** all the time
without
thinking it through. But then you got your assholes, Chuck. And all
the
assholes want us to ***** all over everything! So, pussies may get mad
at dicks
once in a while, because pussies get fucked by dicks. But dicks also
*****
assholes, Chuck. And if they didn't ***** the assholes, you know what
you'd get?
You'd get your ***** and your ***** all covered in *****!
Ah, words of wisdom.. words to live by. :-)
WH
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21 Apr 2007 03:13:22 PM |
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On Apr 21, 11:52 am, WH <boll...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 20 Apr, 22:26, eric <ericdavis...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Apr 20, 3:46 pm, "RJaudon" <rjau...@sc.rr.com> wrote:
Do you really think we care what the rest of the ungreatful world thinks.We
need to pack up all of our toys,go home, and let the rest of the world eat
it."eric" <ericdavis...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1177037996.458256.17650@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
and that's the truth...All the polls consistently indicate that - ie.
the most dangerous country on the earth is America...You've come a
long way baby.
Sept 11, 2001, the world was united with America. Horns honking with
American flags hanging out the window was common place from Canada, to
France, to Germany, and even Iran expressed sincere and heart-felt
sympathy. Now the world, just wants u f@#kers to go to hell.
Yeah, now that you've laid a big crap in Iraq..., laid a big crap of
debt on yourselves,
and your children. Get the Hell out.
eric.
P.S Typical Yanks to wipe ***** on everything, and then get mad, cuz
people aren't
grateful.
See, there's three kinds of people: dicks, pussies, and assholes.
Pussies
think everyone can get along, and dicks just want to ***** all the time
without
thinking it through. But then you got your assholes, Chuck. And all
the
assholes want us to ***** all over everything! So, pussies may get mad
at dicks
once in a while, because pussies get fucked by dicks. But dicks also
*****
assholes, Chuck. And if they didn't ***** the assholes, you know what
you'd get?
You'd get your ***** and your ***** all covered in *****!
WH
Classic. Funny cuz it's true.
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| User: "Dani" |
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20 Apr 2007 04:21:12 PM |
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On Fri, 20 Apr 2007 15:46:47 -0400, "RJaudon" <rjaudon@sc.rr.com>
wrote:
Do you really think we care what the rest of the ungreatful world thinks.We
need to pack up all of our toys,go home, and let the rest of the world eat
it.
I care what they think. And please, you're top-posting, your grammar
is horrible and you can barely write. You're making us look a lot
worse so please learn how to write before posting. Thanks.
Dani
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| User: "Aidan" |
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20 Apr 2007 01:11:58 AM |
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eric wrote:
and that's the truth...All the polls consistently indicate that - ie.
the most dangerous country on the earth is America...You've come a
long way baby.
Sept 11, 2001, the world was united with America. Horns honking with
American flags hanging out the window was common place from Canada, to
France, to Germany, and even Iran expressed sincere and heart-felt
sympathy. Now the world, just wants u f@#kers to go to hell.
We's rahdin this here planit like a buckin' bronco, straight down inta'
that there lake of fahre... YEEEEHAWWW!!
In all seriousness though, it's the entire western world that needs to
wake up to itself. It's been convenient to have someone to point the
finger at in Bush, as it allows us to direct our fears about the world
at an easy target... but the time will come when we all will need to
humble ourselves and better integrate with the planet and the rest of
humanity. We're as much a part of the problem as a part of the
solution. If only we could be united in that notion.
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| User: "FL1PP3D" |
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21 Apr 2007 01:16:14 PM |
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Aidan <aweraw@gmail.com> wrote in news:newscache$y79sgj$j4k$1
@titan.linknet.com.au:
In all seriousness though, it's the entire western world that needs to
wake up to itself. It's been convenient to have someone to point the
finger at in Bush, as it allows us to direct our fears about the world
at an easy target... but the time will come when we all will need to
humble ourselves and better integrate with the planet and the rest of
humanity. We're as much a part of the problem as a part of the
solution. If only we could be united in that notion.
I somewhat agree and disagree with you. There are many Americans that are
arrogant and don't show an ounce of respect for other countries, cultures,
etc. I should know, I'm American born and raised. I've seen and heard it
all. But I firmly believe that other countries DO understand that not all
Americans are like this while some believe that all Americans act this
way.... such is discrimination.
Furthermore, we did not have this problem before the Bush administration
set our country back several decades. It took America a long time to get
the respect of many countries. Bush, with his administration, ruined USA's
reputation on an international level. So our top people in government, who
should be setting an example on a global level are messing it up for their
citizens. Surely we shouldn't let that stop us, but its clear that our own
goverment elect are making things really hard because they themselves don't
know how to act.
Thats how I see it.
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| User: "Perseid" |
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21 Apr 2007 01:40:35 PM |
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After Much Chewing of Cud and Cogitation, FL1PP3D
<Flipsyde-N.O.S.P.A.M-@gmail.com-N.O.S.P.A.M-> Spat the Words
Aidan <aweraw@gmail.com> wrote in news:newscache$y79sgj$j4k$1
@titan.linknet.com.au:
In all seriousness though, it's the entire western world that needs to
wake up to itself. It's been convenient to have someone to point the
finger at in Bush, as it allows us to direct our fears about the world
at an easy target... but the time will come when we all will need to
humble ourselves and better integrate with the planet and the rest of
humanity. We're as much a part of the problem as a part of the
solution. If only we could be united in that notion.
I somewhat agree and disagree with you. There are many Americans that
are arrogant and don't show an ounce of respect for other countries,
cultures, etc. I should know, I'm American born and raised. I've seen
and heard it all. But I firmly believe that other countries DO
understand that not all Americans are like this while some believe that
all Americans act this way.... such is discrimination.
Furthermore, we did not have this problem before the Bush administration
set our country back several decades. It took America a long time to
get the respect of many countries. Bush, with his administration,
ruined USA's reputation on an international level. So our top people in
government, who should be setting an example on a global level are
messing it up for their citizens. Surely we shouldn't let that stop us,
but its clear that our own goverment elect are making things really hard
because they themselves don't know how to act.
These elected officials walk into office from nowhere, taking on
immense power in the blink of an eye, and we all know how near
absolute power affects people.. it corrupts, nearly absolutely.
... and especially for people like Bush with little or no
education, they don't know the limits of their office and they
start to act like monarchs, which is what we're witnessing now
with Bush.
Thats how I see it.
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| User: "Marvin The Paranoid Android" |
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20 Apr 2007 06:48:38 AM |
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On Apr 20, 2:11 am, Aidan <awe...@gmail.com> wrote:
eric wrote:
and that's the truth...All the polls consistently indicate that - ie.
the most dangerous country on the earth is America...You've come a
long way baby.
Sept 11, 2001, the world was united with America. Horns honking with
American flags hanging out the window was common place from Canada, to
France, to Germany, and even Iran expressed sincere and heart-felt
sympathy. Now the world, just wants u f@#kers to go to hell.
We's rahdin this here planit like a buckin' bronco, straight down inta'
that there lake of fahre... YEEEEHAWWW!!
In all seriousness though, it's the entire western world that needs to
wake up to itself. It's been convenient to have someone to point the
finger at in Bush, as it allows us to direct our fears about the world
at an easy target... but the time will come when we all will need to
humble ourselves and better integrate with the planet and the rest of
humanity. We're as much a part of the problem as a part of the
solution. If only we could be united in that notion.
That's the problem Mr Douglas has -- he insists that Saddam brought
all this on by himself by refusing to cooperate with *U.N* weapons
inspectors with regard UN resolution 1441 ... it was the U.N's
resolution, not Bush's.
Bush's policy of preemptive war without regard to the U.N. destroyed
the whole concept of collective security. What's stopping China from
invading Taiwan or Russia from reestablishing it's pre-Glasnost
boundries? It's open season for the aggressor nations.
Bush can't lose fast enough in Iraq -- the sooner he does the sooner
the U.S. will return to the concept of collective security.
Cheers!
-- Marvin
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20 Apr 2007 11:00:32 AM |
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On Apr 20, 4:48 am, Marvin The Paranoid Android
<marvinparanoidandr...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Apr 20, 2:11 am, Aidan <awe...@gmail.com> wrote:
eric wrote:
and that's the truth...All the polls consistently indicate that - ie.
the most dangerous country on the earth is America...You've come a
long way baby.
Sept 11, 2001, the world was united with America. Horns honking with
American flags hanging out the window was common place from Canada, to
France, to Germany, and even Iran expressed sincere and heart-felt
sympathy. Now the world, just wants u f@#kers to go to hell.
We's rahdin this here planit like a buckin' bronco, straight down inta'
that there lake of fahre... YEEEEHAWWW!!
In all seriousness though, it's the entire western world that needs to
wake up to itself. It's been convenient to have someone to point the
finger at in Bush, as it allows us to direct our fears about the world
at an easy target... but the time will come when we all will need to
humble ourselves and better integrate with the planet and the rest of
humanity. We're as much a part of the problem as a part of the
solution. If only we could be united in that notion.
That's the problem Mr Douglas has --
I don't have a problem, Mr. Android.
he insists that Saddam brought all this on by himself by refusing
to cooperate with *U.N* weapons inspectors with regard UN
resolution 1441 ... it was the U.N's resolution, not Bush's.
Yes, we've already had this discussion. There was also the agreement
Saddam signed at the end of the Gulf War in 1991. All Saddam had to do
was cooperate with the UN inspectors, and he could have saved
himself.
Bush's policy of preemptive war without regard to the U.N. destroyed
the whole concept of collective security.
You mean Bush and Blair, right? And others? And didn't Clinton and
Blair first establish the principle of going to war on the basis of
UN resolution without the further authorization of the UN? Yes, they
did.
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| User: "mukyuk" |
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20 Apr 2007 01:03:47 PM |
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"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1177084831.062865.75860@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
I don't have a problem, Mr. Android.
You don't have a probelm Steven. You ARE the problem!!!
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| User: "Perseid" |
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20 Apr 2007 01:40:15 PM |
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After Much Chewing of Cud and Cogitation, "mukyuk" <a@b.com> Spat the Words
"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1177084831.062865.75860@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
I don't have a problem, Mr. Android.
You don't have a probelm Steven. You ARE the problem!!!
The problems.. Stevie and millions more like him who can't
say why we're in Iraq or what 'victory' is, yet would like
to keep a full occupation going in Iraq as long as possible
because *we're just now making progress* ... these are the
problems.
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| User: "John Lemke" |
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20 Apr 2007 02:07:26 PM |
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On Apr 20, 2:40 pm, Perseid <eidp...@anti-spam.comcast.net> wrote:
After Much Chewing of Cud and Cogitation, "mukyuk" <a...@b.com> Spat the Words
You don't have a probelm Steven. You ARE the problem!!!
The problems.. Stevie and millions more like him who can't
say why we're in Iraq or what 'victory' is, yet would like
to keep a full occupation going in Iraq as long as possible
because *we're just now making progress* ... these are the
problems.
Credibility. Why would we believe ANYTHING these people say? Have
they gotten anything right yet? Do they have any idea where they're
going? Not according to the people they'd like to hire to manage
their fiasco.
The Iraqis are solving their own problems and they're doing it with a
civil war. They're managing to do it in spite of our presence, our
influence. If anything now instead of guiding them to peace and
stability, we're just in their freaking way.
There's going to reach a serious combustion point here before long and
Mr. Bush is going to have to stand naked before the world in
humiliation.
If the brave Stevie's are still around they'll be whimpering in the
background. I wonder if they understand, in light of all the death,
pain and suffering, how disgusting they are in the sight of most of
the American public.
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| User: "Perseid" |
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20 Apr 2007 02:20:46 PM |
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After Much Chewing of Cud and Cogitation, John Lemke
<jflemke@locallink.net> Spat the Words
On Apr 20, 2:40 pm, Perseid <eidp...@anti-spam.comcast.net> wrote:
After Much Chewing of Cud and Cogitation, "mukyuk" <a...@b.com> Spat
the Words
You don't have a probelm Steven. You ARE the problem!!!
The problems.. Stevie and millions more like him who can't
say why we're in Iraq or what 'victory' is, yet would like
to keep a full occupation going in Iraq as long as possible
because *we're just now making progress* ... these are the
problems.
Credibility. Why would we believe ANYTHING these people say? Have
they gotten anything right yet? Do they have any idea where they're
going? Not according to the people they'd like to hire to manage
their fiasco.
The Iraqis are solving their own problems and they're doing it with a
civil war. They're managing to do it in spite of our presence, our
influence. If anything now instead of guiding them to peace and
stability, we're just in their freaking way.
There's going to reach a serious combustion point here before long and
Mr. Bush is going to have to stand naked before the world in
humiliation.
Bush and the hypocritical society (the one stevie belongs to) have
one alternative card up their sleeves... create a monumental diversion
that in a single statement says "we were right and we'll hear no more
dissent".. the only thing I can think of which would do this, well
two possible things, either a large terror attack, possibly a nuclear
explosion in one of our cities, or number two, a sudden plunge into
full war with Iran.
If the brave Stevie's are still around they'll be whimpering in the
background. I wonder if they understand, in light of all the death,
pain and suffering, how disgusting they are in the sight of most of
the American public.
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| User: "Woodswun" |
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20 Apr 2007 05:08:01 PM |
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On Fri, 20 Apr 2007 13:40:15 -0500, Perseid wrote:
After Much Chewing of Cud and Cogitation, "mukyuk" <a@b.com> Spat the Words
"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1177084831.062865.75860@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
I don't have a problem, Mr. Android.
You don't have a probelm Steven. You ARE the problem!!!
The problems.. Stevie and millions more like him who can't
say why we're in Iraq or what 'victory' is, yet would like
to keep a full occupation going in Iraq as long as possible
because *we're just now making progress* ... these are the
problems.
I begin to think they measure "progress" by how much the population of
Iraq is shrinking. We'll have won when there are no more Iraqis left and
we can just take it over.
I mean, Bush keeps saying we're making progress while more and more people
are fleeing and being killed. We sure aren't getting anything under
control, that's for sure!
Woods
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| User: "Marvin The Paranoid Android" |
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20 Apr 2007 02:40:13 PM |
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On Apr 20, 12:00 pm, Steven Douglas <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote:
On Apr 20, 4:48 am, Marvin The Paranoid Android
<marvinparanoidandr...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Apr 20, 2:11 am, Aidan <awe...@gmail.com> wrote:
eric wrote:
and that's the truth...All the polls consistently indicate that - ie.
the most dangerous country on the earth is America...You've come a
long way baby.
Sept 11, 2001, the world was united with America. Horns honking with
American flags hanging out the window was common place from Canada, to
France, to Germany, and even Iran expressed sincere and heart-felt
sympathy. Now the world, just wants u f@#kers to go to hell.
We's rahdin this here planit like a buckin' bronco, straight down inta'
that there lake of fahre... YEEEEHAWWW!!
In all seriousness though, it's the entire western world that needs to
wake up to itself. It's been convenient to have someone to point the
finger at in Bush, as it allows us to direct our fears about the world
at an easy target... but the time will come when we all will need to
humble ourselves and better integrate with the planet and the rest of
humanity. We're as much a part of the problem as a part of the
solution. If only we could be united in that notion.
That's the problem Mr Douglas has --
I don't have a problem, Mr. Android.
he insists that Saddam brought all this on by himself by refusing
to cooperate with *U.N* weapons inspectors with regard UN
resolution 1441 ... it was the U.N's resolution, not Bush's.
Yes, we've already had this discussion. There was also the agreement
Saddam signed at the end of the Gulf War in 1991. All Saddam had to do
was cooperate with the UN inspectors, and he could have saved
himself.
Agreed. And the UN inspectors and the UN wanted more then 3 months to
establish whether or not Saddam still had WMDs.
Bush acted without UN authorization.
Bush's policy of preemptive war without regard to the U.N. destroyed
the whole concept of collective security.
You mean Bush and Blair, right? And others? And didn't Clinton and
Blair first establish the principle of going to war on the basis of
UN resolution without the further authorization of the UN? Yes, they
did.
How well do you think the UK's 5,000 ground troops have made out
invading on their own? What motivated Blair to ally himself is still
a mystery to me ... possibly 'empire envy' but who knows.
What war did Clinton and Blair initiate without UN authorization?
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| User: "Steven Douglas" |
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20 Apr 2007 06:33:22 PM |
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On Apr 20, 12:40 pm, Marvin The Paranoid Android
<marvinparanoidandr...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Apr 20, 12:00 pm, Steven Douglas <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote:
On Apr 20, 4:48 am, Marvin The Paranoid Android
<marvinparanoidandr...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Apr 20, 2:11 am, Aidan <awe...@gmail.com> wrote:
eric wrote:
and that's the truth...All the polls consistently indicate that - ie.
the most dangerous country on the earth is America...You've come a
long way baby.
Sept 11, 2001, the world was united with America. Horns honking with
American flags hanging out the window was common place from Canada, to
France, to Germany, and even Iran expressed sincere and heart-felt
sympathy. Now the world, just wants u f@#kers to go to hell.
We's rahdin this here planit like a buckin' bronco, straight down inta'
that there lake of fahre... YEEEEHAWWW!!
In all seriousness though, it's the entire western world that needs to
wake up to itself. It's been convenient to have someone to point the
finger at in Bush, as it allows us to direct our fears about the world
at an easy target... but the time will come when we all will need to
humble ourselves and better integrate with the planet and the rest of
humanity. We're as much a part of the problem as a part of the
solution. If only we could be united in that notion.
That's the problem Mr Douglas has --
I don't have a problem, Mr. Android.
he insists that Saddam brought all this on by himself by refusing
to cooperate with *U.N* weapons inspectors with regard UN
resolution 1441 ... it was the U.N's resolution, not Bush's.
Yes, we've already had this discussion. There was also the agreement
Saddam signed at the end of the Gulf War in 1991. All Saddam had to do
was cooperate with the UN inspectors, and he could have saved
himself.
Agreed. And the UN inspectors and the UN wanted more then 3 months to
establish whether or not Saddam still had WMDs.
Bush acted without UN authorization.
Bush and Blair.
Bush's policy of preemptive war without regard to the U.N. destroyed
the whole concept of collective security.
You mean Bush and Blair, right? And others? And didn't Clinton and
Blair first establish the principle of going to war on the basis of
UN resolution without the further authorization of the UN? Yes, they
did.
How well do you think the UK's 5,000 ground troops have made out
invading on their own?
They wouldn't have gone on their own, but then I don't think Bush
would have gone without them.
What motivated Blair to ally himself is still
a mystery to me ... possibly 'empire envy' but who knows.
Possibly because he actually believed Saddam was a threat. I know it's
fashionable on this group to say Bush lied, but then anyone with any
intellectual honesty who says Bush lied must also say Blair lied. Of
course they never say Blair lied. They want to be all about Bush and
no one else.
What war did Clinton and Blair initiate without UN authorization?
The bombing of Belgrade during the Kosovo crisis. The UN Security
Council did not issue a further resolution authorizing that action. In
fact, some members of the SC wanted to issue an emergency resolution
to stop the bombing, but the US and UK said they'd just use their veto
power anyway, so the resolution was never brought forward.
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20 Apr 2007 08:16:43 PM |
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On Apr 20, 7:33 pm, Steven Douglas <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote:
On Apr 20, 12:40 pm, Marvin The Paranoid Android
<marvinparanoidandr...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Apr 20, 12:00 pm, Steven Douglas <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote:
On Apr 20, 4:48 am, Marvin The Paranoid Android
<marvinparanoidandr...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Apr 20, 2:11 am, Aidan <awe...@gmail.com> wrote:
eric wrote:
and that's the truth...All the polls consistently indicate that - ie.
the most dangerous country on the earth is America...You've come a
long way baby.
Sept 11, 2001, the world was united with America. Horns honking with
American flags hanging out the window was common place from Canada, to
France, to Germany, and even Iran expressed sincere and heart-felt
sympathy. Now the world, just wants u f@#kers to go to hell.
We's rahdin this here planit like a buckin' bronco, straight down inta'
that there lake of fahre... YEEEEHAWWW!!
In all seriousness though, it's the entire western world that needs to
wake up to itself. It's been convenient to have someone to point the
finger at in Bush, as it allows us to direct our fears about the world
at an easy target... but the time will come when we all will need to
humble ourselves and better integrate with the planet and the rest of
humanity. We're as much a part of the problem as a part of the
solution. If only we could be united in that notion.
That's the problem Mr Douglas has --
I don't have a problem, Mr. Android.
he insists that Saddam brought all this on by himself by refusing
to cooperate with *U.N* weapons inspectors with regard UN
resolution 1441 ... it was the U.N's resolution, not Bush's.
Yes, we've already had this discussion. There was also the agreement
Saddam signed at the end of the Gulf War in 1991. All Saddam had to do
was cooperate with the UN inspectors, and he could have saved
himself.
Agreed. And the UN inspectors and the UN wanted more then 3 months to
establish whether or not Saddam still had WMDs.
Bush acted without UN authorization.
Bush and Blair.
Bush's policy of preemptive war without regard to the U.N. destroyed
the whole concept of collective security.
You mean Bush and Blair, right? And others? And didn't Clinton and
Blair first establish the principle of going to war on the basis of
UN resolution without the further authorization of the UN? Yes, they
did.
How well do you think the UK's 5,000 ground troops have made out
invading on their own?
They wouldn't have gone on their own, but then I don't think Bush
would have gone without them.
I think they would have. I don't think Bush needed any international
moral support to invade. Preemptive is unilateral. He didn't need
permission to 'protect' America, remember? The guy had tons of
swagger ... so much so that when things started to go bad in Iraq he
taunted them to 'Bring 'em on' ... and they did.
What motivated Blair to ally himself is still
a mystery to me ... possibly 'empire envy' but who knows.
Possibly because he actually believed Saddam was a threat. I know it's
fashionable on this group to say Bush lied, but then anyone with any
intellectual honesty who says Bush lied must also say Blair lied. Of
course they never say Blair lied. They want to be all about Bush and
no one else.
Possibly not too. Colin Powell's comments prior to 911 said he wasn't
a threat and none of the NSC meetings prior to 911, although they
discussed invading Iraq, never stated it was a threat.
Blair lied too ... fair enough? Recall the '45 minute' claim? Pure
fantasy.
What war did Clinton and Blair initiate without UN authorization?
The bombing of Belgrade during the Kosovo crisis. The UN Security
Council did not issue a further resolution authorizing that action. In
fact, some members of the SC wanted to issue an emergency resolution
to stop the bombing, but the US and UK said they'd just use their veto
power anyway, so the resolution was never brought forward.
So you're not denying my comments about Bush then. Does Clinton doing
this legitimize Bush's invasion of Iraq? A precident of breaking
international laws and conventions legitmizes this?
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21 Apr 2007 09:55:30 AM |
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On Apr 20, 6:16 pm, Marvin The Paranoid Android
<marvinparanoidandr...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Apr 20, 7:33 pm, Steven Douglas <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote:
On Apr 20, 12:40 pm, Marvin The Paranoid Android
<marvinparanoidandr...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Apr 20, 12:00 pm, Steven Douglas <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote:
On Apr 20, 4:48 am, Marvin The Paranoid Android
<marvinparanoidandr...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Apr 20, 2:11 am, Aidan <awe...@gmail.com> wrote:
eric wrote:
and that's the truth...All the polls consistently indicate that - ie.
the most dangerous country on the earth is America...You've come a
long way baby.
Sept 11, 2001, the world was united with America. Horns honking with
American flags hanging out the window was common place from Canada, to
France, to Germany, and even Iran expressed sincere and heart-felt
sympathy. Now the world, just wants u f@#kers to go to hell.
We's rahdin this here planit like a buckin' bronco, straight down inta'
that there lake of fahre... YEEEEHAWWW!!
In all seriousness though, it's the entire western world that needs to
wake up to itself. It's been convenient to have someone to point the
finger at in Bush, as it allows us to direct our fears about the world
at an easy target... but the time will come when we all will need to
humble ourselves and better integrate with the planet and the rest of
humanity. We're as much a part of the problem as a part of the
solution. If only we could be united in that notion.
That's the problem Mr Douglas has --
I don't have a problem, Mr. Android.
he insists that Saddam brought all this on by himself by refusing
to cooperate with *U.N* weapons inspectors with regard UN
resolution 1441 ... it was the U.N's resolution, not Bush's.
Yes, we've already had this discussion. There was also the agreement
Saddam signed at the end of the Gulf War in 1991. All Saddam had to do
was cooperate with the UN inspectors, and he could have saved
himself.
Agreed. And the UN inspectors and the UN wanted more then 3 months to
establish whether or not Saddam still had WMDs.
Bush acted without UN authorization.
Bush and Blair.
Bush's policy of preemptive war without regard to the U.N. destroyed
the whole concept of collective security.
You mean Bush and Blair, right? And others? And didn't Clinton and
Blair first establish the principle of going to war on the basis of
UN resolution without the further authorization of the UN? Yes, they
did.
How well do you think the UK's 5,000 ground troops have made out
invading on their own?
They wouldn't have gone on their own, but then I don't think Bush
would have gone without them.
I think they would have. I don't think Bush needed any international
moral support to invade.
It seemed very important to them to point out all the nations that
were part of the coalition. I don't think Bush would have gone without
Blair, but then we'll never know, will we? Because he did go *with*
Blair.
Preemptive is unilateral. He didn't need permission to 'protect'
America, remember?
Maybe if British intelligence had disagreed with US intelligence, and
Blair was arguing *against* removing Saddam instead of arguing *for*
removing Saddam, is it at all possible that Bush might have waited?
And without Blair, it's quite likely Congress would have expressed
more doubts rather than rushing to give their approval.
The guy had tons of swagger ... so much so that when things started
to go bad in Iraq he taunted them to 'Bring 'em on' ... and they did.
He's since said that particular wording was a mistake.
What motivated Blair to ally himself is still
a mystery to me ... possibly 'empire envy' but who knows.
Possibly because he actually believed Saddam was a threat. I know it's
fashionable on this group to say Bush lied, but then anyone with any
intellectual honesty who says Bush lied must also say Blair lied. Of
course they never say Blair lied. They want to be all about Bush and
no one else.
Possibly not too. Colin Powell's comments prior to 911 said he wasn't
a threat and none of the NSC meetings prior to 911, although they
discussed invading Iraq, never stated it was a threat.
Blair lied too ... fair enough? Recall the '45 minute' claim? Pure
fantasy.
Thank you for acknowledging there was another player in all this.
Wouldn't it be more fair for all the Bush haters to hate Blair too?
What war did Clinton and Blair initiate without UN authorization?
The bombing of Belgrade during the Kosovo crisis. The UN Security
Council did not issue a further resolution authorizing that action. In
fact, some members of the SC wanted to issue an emergency resolution
to stop the bombing, but the US and UK said they'd just use their veto
power anyway, so the resolution was never brought forward.
So you're not denying my comments about Bush then.
That he (AND BLAIR) went to Iraq without further UN authorization?
Former President Clinton has said they did not need further
authorization.
Does Clinton doing this legitimize Bush's invasion of Iraq?
You mean Clinton (AND BLAIR) bombing Belgrade without further UN
authorization? Yes, I do mean Clinton (AND BLAIR) bombing Belgrade
without further UN authorization.
A precident of breaking international laws and conventions
legitmizes this?
Since former President Clinton has said Bush (AND BLAIR) did not break
international law, I'll go with his conclusion rather than yours.
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| User: "Marvin The Paranoid Android" |
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21 Apr 2007 11:53:23 AM |
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On Apr 21, 10:55 am, Steven Douglas <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote:
On Apr 20, 6:16 pm, Marvin The Paranoid Android
<marvinparanoidandr...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Apr 20, 7:33 pm, Steven Douglas <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote:
On Apr 20, 12:40 pm, Marvin The Paranoid Android
<marvinparanoidandr...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Apr 20, 12:00 pm, Steven Douglas <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote:
On Apr 20, 4:48 am, Marvin The Paranoid Android
<marvinparanoidandr...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Apr 20, 2:11 am, Aidan <awe...@gmail.com> wrote:
eric wrote:
and that's the truth...All the polls consistently indicate that - ie.
the most dangerous country on the earth is America...You've come a
long way baby.
Sept 11, 2001, the world was united with America. Horns honking with
American flags hanging out the window was common place from Canada, to
France, to Germany, and even Iran expressed sincere and heart-felt
sympathy. Now the world, just wants u f@#kers to go to hell.
We's rahdin this here planit like a buckin' bronco, straight down inta'
that there lake of fahre... YEEEEHAWWW!!
In all seriousness though, it's the entire western world that needs to
wake up to itself. It's been convenient to have someone to point the
finger at in Bush, as it allows us to direct our fears about the world
at an easy target... but the time will come when we all will need to
humble ourselves and better integrate with the planet and the rest of
humanity. We're as much a part of the problem as a part of the
solution. If only we could be united in that notion.
That's the problem Mr Douglas has --
I don't have a problem, Mr. Android.
he insists that Saddam brought all this on by himself by refusing
to cooperate with *U.N* weapons inspectors with regard UN
resolution 1441 ... it was the U.N's resolution, not Bush's.
Yes, we've already had this discussion. There was also the agreement
Saddam signed at the end of the Gulf War in 1991. All Saddam had to do
was cooperate with the UN inspectors, and he could have saved
himself.
Agreed. And the UN inspectors and the UN wanted more then 3 months to
establish whether or not Saddam still had WMDs.
Bush acted without UN authorization.
Bush and Blair.
Bush's policy of preemptive war without regard to the U.N. destroyed
the whole concept of collective security.
You mean Bush and Blair, right? And others? And didn't Clinton and
Blair first establish the principle of going to war on the basis of
UN resolution without the further authorization of the UN? Yes, they
did.
How well do you think the UK's 5,000 ground troops have made out
invading on their own?
They wouldn't have gone on their own, but then I don't think Bush
would have gone without them.
I think they would have. I don't think Bush needed any international
moral support to invade.
It seemed very important to them to point out all the nations that
were part of the coalition. I don't think Bush would have gone without
Blair, but then we'll never know, will we? Because he did go *with*
Blair.
Preemptive is unilateral. He didn't need permission to 'protect'
America, remember?
Maybe if British intelligence had disagreed with US intelligence, and
Blair was arguing *against* removing Saddam instead of arguing *for*
removing Saddam, is it at all possible that Bush might have waited?
And without Blair, it's quite likely Congress would have expressed
more doubts rather than rushing to give their approval.
The intelligence reports did not report anything alarming *prior* to
9-11 -- see Powell's comments on a visit to Egypt on Feb 24, 2001.
[quote]
We had a good discussion, the Foreign Minister and I and the President
and I, had a good discussion about the nature of the sanctions -- the
fact that the sanctions exist -- not for the purpose of hurting the
Iraqi people, but for the purpose of keeping in check Saddam Hussein's
ambitions toward developing weapons of mass destruction. We should
constantly be reviewing our policies, constantly be looking at those
sanctions to make sure that they are directed toward that purpose.
That purpose is every bit as important now as it was ten years ago
when we began it. And frankly they have worked. He has not developed
any significant capability with respect to weapons of mass
destruction. He is unable to project conventional power against his
neighbors. So in effect, our policies have strengthened the security
of the neighbors of Iraq...
[/quote]
Pretty dramatic change in the rhetoric, don't you think???
The guy had tons of swagger ... so much so that when things started
to go bad in Iraq he taunted them to 'Bring 'em on' ... and they did.
He's since said that particular wording was a mistake.
'Mistake' -- lol -- taunting insurgents to attack U.S. troops?? Over
3,000 now dead, gone and buried. Today I have the windows open ...
the weather is like summer here. My wife and kids are at a Girl Guide
camp and I have a case of beer, a steak for the BBQ, and the house all
to myself. The 3,000 fathers, brothers, sons, wives, sisters and
daughters are not. I would call that a callous disregard for life.
What motivated Blair to ally himself is still
a mystery to me ... possibly 'empire envy' but who knows.
Possibly because he actually believed Saddam was a threat. I know it's
fashionable on this group to say Bush lied, but then anyone with any
intellectual honesty who says Bush lied must also say Blair lied. Of
course they never say Blair lied. They want to be all about Bush and
no one else.
Possibly not too. Colin Powell's comments prior to 911 said he wasn't
a threat and none of the NSC meetings prior to 911, although they
discussed invading Iraq, never stated it was a threat.
Blair lied too ... fair enough? Recall the '45 minute' claim? Pure
fantasy.
Thank you for acknowledging there was another player in all this.
Wouldn't it be more fair for all the Bush haters to hate Blair too?
You're welcome ... further shocks to come below.
What war did Clinton and Blair initiate without UN authorization?
The bombing of Belgrade during the Kosovo crisis. The UN Security
Council did not issue a further resolution authorizing that action. In
fact, some members of the SC wanted to issue an emergency resolution
to stop the bombing, but the US and UK said they'd just use their veto
power anyway, so the resolution was never brought forward.
So you're not denying my comments about Bush then.
That he (AND BLAIR) went to Iraq without further UN authorization?
Former President Clinton has said they did not need further
authorization.
Unfortunately for the sake of this argument, I don't hold Clinton to
the 'Gold Standard' that you do and I don't use his action or mistakes
to justify the criminal amount of carnage that's been unleashed in
Iraq today.
Does Clinton doing this legitimize Bush's invasion of Iraq?
You mean Clinton (AND BLAIR) bombing Belgrade without further UN
authorization? Yes, I do mean Clinton (AND BLAIR) bombing Belgrade
without further UN authorization.
See above.
A precident of breaking international laws and conventions
legitmizes this?
Since former President Clinton has said Bush (AND BLAIR) did not break
international law, I'll go with his conclusion rather than yours.
I'm truly shocked to see you as being such a 'blinded by love' Clinton
admirer.
Unfortunately, again, Clinton (OR BLAIR) wasn't, isn't and aren't the
U.N., are they?
Take care. Hope the weather there is as nice here.
-- Marvin
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| Title: Re: The World Hates America.... |
21 Apr 2007 04:12:33 PM |
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On Apr 21, 9:53 am, Marvin The Paranoid Android
<marvinparanoidandr...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Apr 21, 10:55 am, Steven Douglas <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote:
On Apr 20, 6:16 pm, Marvin The Paranoid Android
<marvinparanoidandr...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Apr 20, 7:33 pm, Steven Douglas <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote:
On Apr 20, 12:40 pm, Marvin The Paranoid Android
<marvinparanoidandr...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Apr 20, 12:00 pm, Steven Douglas <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote:
On Apr 20, 4:48 am, Marvin The Paranoid Android
<marvinparanoidandr...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Apr 20, 2:11 am, Aidan <awe...@gmail.com> wrote:
eric wrote:
and that's the truth...All the polls consistently indicate that - ie.
the most dangerous country on the earth is America...You've come a
long way baby.
Sept 11, 2001, the world was united with America. Horns honking with
American flags hanging out the window was common place from Canada, to
France, to Germany, and even Iran expressed sincere and heart-felt
sympathy. Now the world, just wants u f@#kers to go to hell.
We's rahdin this here planit like a buckin' bronco, straight down inta'
that there lake of fahre... YEEEEHAWWW!!
In all seriousness though, it's the entire western world that needs to
wake up to itself. It's been convenient to have someone to point the
finger at in Bush, as it allows us to direct our fears about the world
at an easy target... but the time will come when we all will need to
humble ourselves and better integrate with the planet and the rest of
humanity. We're as much a part of the problem as a part of the
solution. If only we could be united in that notion.
That's the problem Mr Douglas has --
I don't have a problem, Mr. Android.
he insists that Saddam brought all this on by himself by refusing
to cooperate with *U.N* weapons inspectors with regard UN
resolution 1441 ... it was the U.N's resolution, not Bush's.
Yes, we've already had this discussion. There was also the agreement
Saddam signed at the end of the Gulf War in 1991. All Saddam had to do
was cooperate with the UN inspectors, and he could have saved
himself.
Agreed. And the UN inspectors and the UN wanted more then 3 months to
establish whether or not Saddam still had WMDs.
Bush acted without UN authorization.
Bush and Blair.
Bush's policy of preemptive war without regard to the U.N. destroyed
the whole concept of collective security.
You mean Bush and Blair, right? And others? And didn't Clinton and
Blair first establish the principle of going to war on the basis of
UN resolution without the further authorization of the UN? Yes, they
did.
How well do you think the UK's 5,000 ground troops have made out
invading on their own?
They wouldn't have gone on their own, but then I don't think Bush
would have gone without them.
I think they would have. I don't think Bush needed any international
moral support to invade.
It seemed very important to them to point out all the nations that
were part of the coalition. I don't think Bush would have gone without
Blair, but then we'll never know, will we? Because he did go *with*
Blair.
Preemptive is unilateral. He didn't need permission to 'protect'
America, remember?
Maybe if British intelligence had disagreed with US intelligence, and
Blair was arguing *against* removing Saddam instead of arguing *for*
removing Saddam, is it at all possible that Bush might have waited?
And without Blair, it's quite likely Congress would have expressed
more doubts rather than rushing to give their approval.
The intelligence reports did not report anything alarming *prior* to
9-11 -- see Powell's comments on a visit to Egypt on Feb 24, 2001.
[quote]
We had a good discussion, the Foreign Minister and I and the President
and I, had a good discussion about the nature of the sanctions -- the
fact that the sanctions exist -- not for the purpose of hurting the
Iraqi people, but for the purpose of keeping in check Saddam Hussein's
ambitions toward developing weapons of mass destruction. We should
constantly be reviewing our policies, constantly be looking at those
sanctions to make sure that they are directed toward that purpose.
That purpose is every bit as important now as it was ten years ago
when we began it. And frankly they have worked. He has not developed
any significant capability with respect to weapons of mass
destruction. He is unable to project conventional power against his
neighbors. So in effect, our policies have strengthened the security
of the neighbors of Iraq...
[/quote]
Pretty dramatic change in the rhetoric, don't you think???
Makes me wonder why the Bush administration wasn't trying to ratchet
up the rhetoric from the moment he took office. After all, wasn't he
gunning for Saddam from the start?
The guy had tons of swagger ... so much so that when things started
to go bad in Iraq he taunted them to 'Bring 'em on' ... and they did.
He's since said that particular wording was a mistake.
'Mistake'
Yeah, well don't quote me on that exact word. I think he said
something to the effect he shouldn't have used those words -- or it
was a bad choice of words, something like that.
-- lol -- taunting insurgents to attack U.S. troops?? Over
3,000 now dead, gone and buried. Today I have the windows open ...
the weather is like summer here. My wife and kids are at a Girl Guide
camp and I have a case of beer, a steak for the BBQ, and the house all
to myself. The 3,000 fathers, brothers, sons, wives, sisters and
daughters are not. I would call that a callous disregard for life.
How do you feel about Blair's role in the invasion? Or do you
convenienty forget about his role and focus solely on Bush? Here's a
quote by a guest columnist (in a column titled "Trust Tony's
Judgment") that appeared in The Guardian the day before the invasion
began:
[quoting[ As Blair has said, in war there will be civilian as well as
military casualties. There is, too, as both Britain and America agree,
some risk of Saddam using or transferring his weapons to terrorists.
There is as well the possibility that more angry young Muslims can be
recruited to terrorism. But if we leave Iraq with chemical and
biological weapons, after 12 years of defiance, there is a
considerable risk that one day these weapons will fall into the wrong
hands and put many more lives at risk than will be lost in
overthrowing Saddam. [end quote]
http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,916233,00.html
What motivated Blair to ally himself is still
a mystery to me ... possibly 'empire envy' but who knows.
Possibly because he actually believed Saddam was a threat. I know it's
fashionable on this group to say Bush lied, but then anyone with any
intellectual honesty who says Bush lied must also say Blair lied. Of
course they never say Blair lied. They want to be all about Bush and
no one else.
Possibly not too. Colin Powell's comments prior to 911 said he wasn't
a threat and none of the NSC meetings prior to 911, although they
discussed invading Iraq, never stated it was a threat.
Blair lied too ... fair enough? Recall the '45 minute' claim? Pure
fantasy.
Thank you for acknowledging there was another player in all this.
Wouldn't it be more fair for all the Bush haters to hate Blair too?
You're welcome ... further shocks to come below.
You didn't answer my second sentence just above.
What war did Clinton and Blair initiate without UN authorization?
The bombing of Belgrade during the Kosovo crisis. The UN Security
Council did not issue a further resolution authorizing that action. In
fact, some members of the SC wanted to issue an emergency resolution
to stop the bombing, but the US and UK said they'd just use their veto
power anyway, so the resolution was never brought forward.
So you're not denying my comments about Bush then.
That he (AND BLAIR) went to Iraq without further UN authorization?
Former President Clinton has said they did not need further
authorization.
Unfortunately for the sake of this argument, I don't hold Clinton to
the 'Gold Standard' that you do and I don't use his action or mistakes
to justify the criminal amount of carnage that's been unleashed in
Iraq today.
You meant "Clinton and Blair", right?
Does Clinton doing this legitimize Bush's invasion of Iraq?
You mean Clinton (AND BLAIR) bombing Belgrade without further UN
authorization? Yes, I do mean Clinton (AND BLAIR) bombing Belgrade
without further UN authorization.
See above.
A precident of breaking international laws and conventions
legitmizes this?
Since former President Clinton has said Bush (AND BLAIR) did not break
international law, I'll go with his conclusion rather than yours.
I'm truly shocked to see you as being such a 'blinded by love' Clinton
admirer.
Why? As I've stated more than once, I supported most of his policies.
Unfortunately, again, Clinton (OR BLAIR) wasn't, isn't and aren't the
U.N., are they?
So if you'd been posting to usenet at the time, you'd have been just
as critical of Clinton and Blair as you've been of Bush and Blair
(other than the fact you never mention Blair)?
Take care. Hope the weather there is as nice here.
It's cool and cloudy today -- kind of refreshing, actually.
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20 Apr 2007 05:09:29 PM |
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On Fri, 20 Apr 2007 12:40:13 -0700, Marvin The Paranoid Android wrote:
On Apr 20, 12:00 pm, Steven Douglas <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote:
On Apr 20, 4:48 am, Marvin The Paranoid Android
<marvinparanoidandr...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Apr 20, 2:11 am, Aidan <awe...@gmail.com> wrote:
eric wrote:
and that's the truth...All the polls consistently indicate that - ie.
the most dangerous country on the earth is America...You've come a
long way baby.
Sept 11, 2001, the world was united with America. Horns honking with
American flags hanging out the window was common place from Canada, to
France, to Germany, and even Iran expressed sincere and heart-felt
sympathy. Now the world, just wants u f@#kers to go to hell.
We's rahdin this here planit like a buckin' bronco, straight down inta'
that there lake of fahre... YEEEEHAWWW!!
In all seriousness though, it's the entire western world that needs to
wake up to itself. It's been convenient to have someone to point the
finger at in Bush, as it allows us to direct our fears about the world
at an easy target... but the time will come when we all will need to
humble ourselves and better integrate with the planet and the rest of
humanity. We're as much a part of the problem as a part of the
solution. If only we could be united in that notion.
That's the problem Mr Douglas has --
I don't have a problem, Mr. Android.
he insists that Saddam brought all this on by himself by refusing
to cooperate with *U.N* weapons inspectors with regard UN
resolution 1441 ... it was the U.N's resolution, not Bush's.
Yes, we've already had this discussion. There was also the agreement
Saddam signed at the end of the Gulf War in 1991. All Saddam had to do
was cooperate with the UN inspectors, and he could have saved
himself.
Agreed. And the UN inspectors and the UN wanted more then 3 months to
establish whether or not Saddam still had WMDs.
Bush acted without UN authorization.
Bush's policy of preemptive war without regard to the U.N. destroyed
the whole concept of collective security.
You mean Bush and Blair, right? And others? And didn't Clinton and
Blair first establish the principle of going to war on the basis of
UN resolution without the further authorization of the UN? Yes, they
did.
How well do you think the UK's 5,000 ground troops have made out
invading on their own? What motivated Blair to ally himself is still
a mystery to me ... possibly 'empire envy' but who knows.
I think it was cold, hard cash.
What war did Clinton and Blair initiate without UN authorization?
Or NATO's, or some other international organization.
Woods
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20 Apr 2007 05:48:10 AM |
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On Apr 20, 2:11 am, Aidan <awe...@gmail.com> wrote:
eric wrote:
and that's the truth...All the polls consistently indicate that - ie.
the most dangerous country on the earth is America...You've come a
long way baby.
Sept 11, 2001, the world was united with America. Horns honking with
American flags hanging out the window was common place from Canada, to
France, to Germany, and even Iran expressed sincere and heart-felt
sympathy. Now the world, just wants u f@#kers to go to hell.
We's rahdin this here planit like a buckin' bronco, straight down inta'
that there lake of fahre... YEEEEHAWWW!!
In all seriousness though, it's the entire western world that needs to
wake up to itself. It's been convenient to have someone to point the
finger at in Bush, as it allows us to direct our fears about the world
at an easy target... but the time will come when we all will need to
humble ourselves and better integrate with the planet and the rest of
humanity. We're as much a part of the problem as a part of the
solution. If only we could be united in that notion.
Well said IMHO. Time to install some leadership that can operate
outside the old cold war mentality. Deal with other peoples with
respect and cooperation instead of control, domination, manipulation,
corruption and yes..............violence.
Gonna be tough to do tho with the way corporations have morphed into
shadow states with their deep pockets and private armies but we'll
watch and see.
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20 Apr 2007 04:06:03 PM |
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On Fri, 20 Apr 2007 06:11:58 GMT, Aidan <aweraw@gmail.com> wrote:
eric wrote:
and that's the truth...All the polls consistently indicate that - ie.
the most dangerous country on the earth is America...You've come a
long way baby.
Sept 11, 2001, the world was united with America. Horns honking with
American flags hanging out the window was common place from Canada, to
France, to Germany, and even Iran expressed sincere and heart-felt
sympathy. Now the world, just wants u f@#kers to go to hell.
We's rahdin this here planit like a buckin' bronco, straight down inta'
that there lake of fahre... YEEEEHAWWW!!
You know what *really* bugs me, Aidan? The fact that some people
think that ALL Americans have that Southern, Bush accent. We most
certainly do not. I'm from Boston...we don't pronounce our "r's",
it's hard to explain in writing, but if I was to say the word car it
would sound like "cah" and mother would sound like "mutha" and fucking
sounds like "fuckin'" - whereas down South the R is *heavily*
pronounced. Car sounds like carrrrrr. And there sounds like
therrrrrr. As I said, it's hard to explain in writing, if I talked to
you, you would see what I mean.
I just don't want you thinking we all sound alike!
In all seriousness though, it's the entire western world that needs to
wake up to itself. It's been convenient to have someone to point the
finger at in Bush, as it allows us to direct our fears about the world
at an easy target... but the time will come when we all will need to
humble ourselves and better integrate with the planet and the rest of
humanity. We're as much a part of the problem as a part of the
solution. If only we could be united in that notion.
That's a wonderful notion and nice to hear, Aidan. If only there were
more people who thought like you. But the truth of the matter is Bush
has fucked us - and he's fucked us badly. To a point where I am
honestly frightened that we will never recover. I don't want to have
a pity party here and say "poor me" - but you really have no idea what
it's like just to be a regular everyday American like myself who is
110% opposed to Bush, 110% opposed to this war and hear that I'm
*HATED* ..it sucks like you wouldn't believe.
Just look at the title of this thread: "The world hates America" ..
story of my life, Aidan.
Dani (who voted for the other guy!)
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| User: "Docrodile" |
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22 Apr 2007 06:20:41 AM |
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"Dani" <d.b737@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1s9i23p4e81q3nou75ouu2u4hs5c0bkrht@4ax.com...
On Fri, 20 Apr 2007 06:11:58 GMT, Aidan <aweraw@gmail.com> wrote:
eric wrote:
and that's the truth...All the polls consistently indicate that - ie.
the most dangerous country on the earth is America...You've come a
long way baby.
Sept 11, 2001, the world was united with America. Horns honking with
American flags hanging out the window was common place from Canada, to
France, to Germany, and even Iran expressed sincere and heart-felt
sympathy. Now the world, just wants u f@#kers to go to hell.
We's rahdin this here planit like a buckin' bronco, straight down inta'
that there lake of fahre... YEEEEHAWWW!!
You know what *really* bugs me, Aidan? The fact that some people
think that ALL Americans have that Southern, Bush accent. We most
certainly do not. I'm from Boston...we don't pronounce our "r's",
it's hard to explain in writing, but if I was to say the word car it
would sound like "cah" and mother would sound like "mutha" and fucking
sounds like "fuckin'" - whereas down South the R is *heavily*
pronounced. Car sounds like carrrrrr. And there sounds like
therrrrrr. As I said, it's hard to explain in writing, if I talked to
you, you would see what I mean.
So, in other words, you sound much like the Kennedys! LOL! I always liked
that provincial accent because my earliest memory of it was from John
Kennedy and his brothers, who I admired greatly (well, less for Ted, as
the years went on).
But, Dani, 'fucking' is also pronounced the same way here in Washington
State, too, as 'fuckin'. heeheehee...well, I guess you could say it's a
universal variation of the popular term. I'd think that your accent would
sound more like "fockin" but maybe not. I've not heard the Kennedys
publicly utter the word.
Here in DuckLand, the 'g' is often dropped off of words, favorin' the good
ol boy lingo of Midwesterners and Southerners, but without their
respective heavy accents. I'm sure we have an accent here, but it is
really a modified one from those two regional areas. For example, you
don't hear us say things like, "Y'all come back, yah hare?"
Growin' up here, Washingtonians usually mispronounce their state's name,
saying, "WORSHington" rather than "WASHington." I said that for years
until I was figuratively horse-whipped socially into submission.
Docrodile
I just don't want you thinking we all sound alike!
In all seriousness though, it's the entire western world that needs to
wake up to itself. It's been convenient to have someone to point the
finger at in Bush, as it allows us to direct our fears about the world
at an easy target... but the time will come when we all will need to
humble ourselves and better integrate with the planet and the rest of
humanity. We're as much a part of the problem as a part of the
solution. If only we could be united in that notion.
That's a wonderful notion and nice to hear, Aidan. If only there were
more people who thought like you. But the truth of the matter is Bush
has fucked us - and he's fucked us badly. To a point where I am
honestly frightened that we will never recover. I don't want to have
a pity party here and say "poor me" - but you really have no idea what
it's like just to be a regular everyday American like myself who is
110% opposed to Bush, 110% opposed to this war and hear that I'm
*HATED* ..it sucks like you wouldn't believe.
Just look at the title of this thread: "The world hates America" ..
story of my life, Aidan.
Dani (who voted for the other guy!)
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| User: "Dani" |
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23 Apr 2007 12:03:59 AM |
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On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 04:20:41 -0700, "Docrodile"
<swampthing@hellsbayou.net> wrote:
"Dani" <d.b737@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1s9i23p4e81q3nou75ouu2u4hs5c0bkrht@4ax.com...
On Fri, 20 Apr 2007 06:11:58 GMT, Aidan <aweraw@gmail.com> wrote:
eric wrote:
and that's the truth...All the polls consistently indicate that - ie.
the most dangerous country on the earth is America...You've come a
long way baby.
Sept 11, 2001, the world was united with America. Horns honking with
American flags hanging out the window was common place from Canada, to
France, to Germany, and even Iran expressed sincere and heart-felt
sympathy. Now the world, just wants u f@#kers to go to hell.
We's rahdin this here planit like a buckin' bronco, straight down inta'
that there lake of fahre... YEEEEHAWWW!!
You know what *really* bugs me, Aidan? The fact that some people
think that ALL Americans have that Southern, Bush accent. We most
certainly do not. I'm from Boston...we don't pronounce our "r's",
it's hard to explain in writing, but if I was to say the word car it
would sound like "cah" and mother would sound like "mutha" and fucking
sounds like "fuckin'" - whereas down South the R is *heavily*
pronounced. Car sounds like carrrrrr. And there sounds like
therrrrrr. As I said, it's hard to explain in writing, if I talked to
you, you would see what I mean.
So, in other words, you sound much like the Kennedys! LOL! I always liked
that provincial accent because my earliest memory of it was from John
Kennedy and his brothers, who I admired greatly (well, less for Ted, as
the years went on).
But, Dani, 'fucking' is also pronounced the same way here in Washington
State, too, as 'fuckin'. heeheehee...well, I guess you could say it's a
universal variation of the popular term. I'd think that your accent would
sound more like "fockin" but maybe not. I've not heard the Kennedys
publicly utter the word.
Here in DuckLand, the 'g' is often dropped off of words, favorin' the good
ol boy lingo of Midwesterners and Southerners, but without their
respective heavy accents. I'm sure we have an accent here, but it is
really a modified one from those two regional areas. For example, you
don't hear us say things like, "Y'all come back, yah hare?"
Growin' up here, Washingtonians usually mispronounce their state's name,
saying, "WORSHington" rather than "WASHington." I said that for years
until I was figuratively horse-whipped socially into submission.
Docrodile
Yup, The Kennedy's - that's what I sound like. When I visited
England, one woman said I sounded like I was from New York. She said
I have a New York accent. It's a Boston accent, though. But she came
pretty close considering that Boston and New York city are both big
cities on the East Coast.
Oh, and "fucking" I think is prounounced "fuckin'" pretty much
everywhere! I know that's how Chris pronounces it and he is in
Sweden.
I just can't stand to think that some envision us *all* having that
Southern Bush accent.
Cheers,
Dani
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| User: "WH" |
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| Title: Re: The World Hates America.... |
20 Apr 2007 04:19:13 PM |
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On 20 Apr, 23:06, Dani <d.b...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Fri, 20 Apr 2007 06:11:58 GMT, Aidan <awe...@gmail.com> wrote:
eric wrote:
and that's the truth...All the polls consistently indicate that - ie.
the most dangerous country on the earth is America...You've come a
long way baby.
Sept 11, 2001, the world was united with America. Horns honking with
American flags hanging out the window was common place from Canada, to
France, to Germany, and even Iran expressed sincere and heart-felt
sympathy. Now the world, just wants u f@#kers to go to hell.
We's rahdin this here planit like a buckin' bronco, straight down inta'
that there lake of fahre... YEEEEHAWWW!!
You know what *really* bugs me, Aidan? The fact that some people
think that ALL Americans have that Southern, Bush accent. We most
certainly do not. I'm from Boston...we don't pronounce our "r's",
it's hard to explain in writing, but if I was to say the word car it
would sound like "cah" and mother would sound like "mutha" and fucking
sounds like "fuckin'" - whereas down South the R is *heavily*
pronounced. Car sounds like carrrrrr. And there sounds like
therrrrrr. As I said, it's hard to explain in writing, if I talked to
you, you would see what I mean.
There's no "R" in fucking! Just as there's no "I" in team America :-)
WH
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